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I would like my permaban to be reviewed.

The Law oƒ One··3 votes·3,179 views

Here are the 2 logs that led to my permaban.

Game 1 Pre-Game The Law oƒ One: top want to switch? In-Game The Law oƒ One: game is so trash The Law oƒ One: why do i get a lulu support and she gets a pyke The Law oƒ One: diceroll The Law oƒ One: re[port lulu afk The Law oƒ One: standing behind tower typing for 2 minutes The Law oƒ One: ya i feel bad for getting lvl 1 bush cheesed as well The Law oƒ One: trash game tbh The Law oƒ One: too much 0 skill reward The Law oƒ One: oh look he flash stuns me and theres zero counterplay The Law oƒ One: so fun when i have a useless lulu and their pyke is hard carrying and nothing i can do The Law oƒ One: can u click ur polypmorph when the pyke goes in once? The Law oƒ One: he flash stuns nothing i can do The Law oƒ One: name a single skillful thing youve done this whole game lmaooo The Law oƒ One: ff The Law oƒ One: pyke is broken The Law oƒ One: e hitbox is massive The Law oƒ One: report lulu ditching lane and doing scuttle top lane?? actual greifing The Law oƒ One: and now we lose bot tower The Law oƒ One: shes trolling The Law oƒ One: refusing to go bot now The Law oƒ One: says the lulu player The Law oƒ One: the games ai can play that champ better than most ppl The Law oƒ One: literally every fight itsnt a 1v1 The Law oƒ One: or else you would still lose to 2-12 draven The Law oƒ One: lol mad so u blow ult on useless draven XD The Law oƒ One: this why i stopped maining adc got tired of going 15-2 when i have the good stupport and getting tilted and going 2-15 when i have the bad support The Law oƒ One: lol 5 people coming to get our blue buff?

Game 2 Pre-Game The Law oƒ One: DRAT The Law oƒ One: lol The Law oƒ One: like darn The Law oƒ One: sry i dnt feel like picking mage vs yasuo The Law oƒ One: oh wait The Law oƒ One: its yasuo top The Law oƒ One: nah i play lots of draven its fine In-Game The Law oƒ One: just sux they have rammus hes probably gona gank me a bunch The Law oƒ One: :)))))))))) The Law oƒ One: LOL The Law oƒ One: :P The Law oƒ One: i was gona dive ez but then everyone showed up The Law oƒ One: i thought yas backed The Law oƒ One: when did he get 2 kills?? The Law oƒ One: i fkin ghat ehit sgame The Law oƒ One: this game over The Law oƒ One: 1 more min The Law oƒ One: rammus counters me The Law oƒ One: he gets free ganks The Law oƒ One: ya this isnt my game The Law oƒ One: cant click the fking blast cone cuase target champs only The Law oƒ One: ashe toxic saying to report me for no reason The Law oƒ One: so> The Law oƒ One: ? The Law oƒ One: yas isnt the problem its the fkn rammus who gets free ganks with q The Law oƒ One: lmao im literally bullying lane so hard i die becus im pusehd up to rammus The Law oƒ One: as if i wouldnt get ganked on ohter champs, muted The Law oƒ One: literally rammuys is 1v9 carrying this game right now so sad The Law oƒ One: only reason its one sided The Law oƒ One: yes The Law oƒ One: ramus taunt makes me drop my axes and q gives him free gank actually counters me so hard The Law oƒ One: ya let me just spend 1300 gold real quick

I'm surprised this got me permabanned, game 1 I said some negative things directed to people but I specifically refrained from getting into calling names etc, game 2 I felt I just complained about the game. I was trying to improve and not insult others after the 14 day ban but I see how complaining so much is negative and how light trash talk isn't accepted either. I can stop doing these but I would've liked to have known that this was enough to get me full on permabanned beforehand. Do I agree with it? No, but I understand the level of tolerance now and dont want to permanently lose my account.

I'd like to request that this ban is reviewed and I'm considered for being unbanned. I realize now that riot doesn't tolerate much negativity in general so if I'm unbanned I'll know how easily I can get banned and make some changes. I know I need to mute all and not take the game so seriously. I know I can do this because some games I would be totally fine and or could laugh things off, just need to keep cool and to myself in those games where I'm in a bad mood and this ban is motivation for that. Please let me know what you think.

Edit: Why is this thread frozen? You should not be deciding when multiple active discussions end. Not your place Evangele.

77 Comments

Lapis6 votes

Okay, at first I sympathized with you. But reading through your comments in this thread, it's become clear that you're a pretty unpleasant person, and I can only imagine the shit you said to warrant your earlier punishments

The Law oƒ One1 votes

Do you expect me to be kind and bubbly when I'm permabanned for unjust, illogical reasons? Ever think of that one?

Lapis3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-26T00:15:18.592+0000)

Do you expect me to be kind and bubbly when I'm permabanned for unjust, illogical reasons? Ever think of that one?

Hey, you made your bed. Your ban was warranted and everyone sees it but you.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

Everyone sees that this punishment system is pathetic, banning the person who calls someone inting an "idiot" and doing nothing to the inter. It's a joke, backwards. The truth is the truth whether or not you will consciously recognize it as such.

Lapis2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-26T00:22:23.000+0000)

Everyone sees that this punishment system is pathetic, I know you agree.

I agree that it could use improvements, I'll admit to that. I think it's far too lenient. People get away with saying things that no sane person should say. But in this case it caught and banned you, so it must be doing something right.

Upgrades4 votes

Why make a post asking for your logs to be reviewed only to be sour to those who comment

The Law oƒ One1 votes

Because nobody is being rational about this and I'm upset? You really asking this question

GeminiRune2 votes

At this point, nobody is able to have a rational discussion with you unless it goes along the lines of "Yeah this permaban is bull shit. Rito is off their rocker with this one." Be upset all you want. It's not going to change a thing.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

Nobody is able to have a rational discussion with me because they let their emotions override their ability to be rational. And I am changing something, expanding peoples perspectives when they choose to read my comments.

GeminiRune2 votes

Nice to know that you've turned your desire review your permaban into a drama induced, attention grabbing show where nobody is right except for you.

Here's my perspective: you got yourself permabanned. Live with it. But wait! You're not gonna do that. You'll just nitpick my comment like everyone elses and learn nothing except that there's one more player who disagrees with you.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

I know I'm responsible, I could've just gone silent. Doesn't change the fact that I disagree with this childish policy and I can voice that opinion all I want. And plenty of people agree with me, you're just not going to admit it when I come off as rude sounding.

GeminiRune4 votes
  1. The only childish action being demonstrated here is not of Riot's long existing policy but of your own manner to disrespect everyone who has commented so far!

  2. Don't assume I agree with you at all. Period. There's no admission whatsoever. You don't know me.

  3. Your replies come off as being ignorant rather than rude. Either way that still doesn't help you.

You say you're responsible. Actually be responsible for your actions! If Riot Support won't reverse the permaban, live with it, start over, or leave as the permaban basically dictates.

Lapis4 votes

Oh my god, you're still on this shit? Why are you still posting if you're not gonna listen to anyone?

The Law oƒ One1 votes

I'm having fun, youre the people who need to learn to listen and be objective. Read through my comments again if you like and if you could set aside your emotions you will see the logic.

Hotarµ3 votes

I'm surprised this got me permabanned,

These logs didn't warrant a permanent ban on their own. You were warned multiple times that this behavior was unacceptable, and you ignored the warning on your 14-day reform card that said "Any continued negativity will result in a permanent suspension."

I'd like to request that this ban is reviewed and I'm considered for being unbanned.

Nobody on the Boards can help you with that. If you want it to be reviewed and judged by Riot/Riot support, file a **support ticket right here. **

The Law oƒ One1 votes

"Any continued negativity will result in a permanent suspension."

That's not even true though, one that's completely vague and subjective and I may as well not be allowed to type in the chat anymore (in fact why dont they just permaban chat usage rather than the entire account) and two I know for a fact that I could run it down, grief, troll, the most negative things in the game and nothing would happen. Thanks for letting me know about submitting a ticket though I'll do that.

Hotarµ2 votes

One that's completely vague and subjective and I may as well not be allowed to type in the chat anymore

You're allowed to type in chat so long as you stay constructive and neutral or positive, not when you say things like this:

The Law oƒ One: game is so trash The Law oƒ One: re[port lulu afk The Law oƒ One: standing behind tower typing for 2 minutes The Law oƒ One: trash game tbh The Law oƒ One: name a single skillful thing youve done this whole game lmaooo The Law oƒ One: ff The Law oƒ One: report lulu ditching lane and doing scuttle top lane?? actual greifing The Law oƒ One: and now we lose bot tower The Law oƒ One: shes trolling

You're constantly going back and forth with Lulu which is detracting from your focus on the match, annoying your teammates, and you're also asking for reports which is against the rules. What is considered rulebreaking behavior should have been evident from your 3 other punishments and based off the information from various sources like the Boards, Twitter, Reddit, or Riot's very own support website which has many of informative articles, guidelines, and FAQs.

Like this one, the "Reporting a Player FAQ" which specifically forbids report calling:

"Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well."

And two I know for a fact that I could run it down, grief, troll, the most negative things in the game and nothing would happen.

Inters, griefers, and AFKers are punished. Just because it doesn't happen at the rate you'd like or to everyone you claim is a troll doesn't mean the system lets the real offenders get by without punishment.

Thanks for letting me know about submitting a ticket though I'll do that.

No problem!

The Law oƒ One1 votes

The Lulu was literally afk when I typed that, I was letting my team know, I guess I could've left out saying to report her but that seems needlessly restrictive, very inhuman. She's afk, I'm telling everyone else to report her for that, not complicated. People tell people to report others all the time with no punishment, another inconsistency and silly rule.

Any comment about her ditching lane leaving me 1v2? THAT is toxic. Period. Actual griefing. Ruining the game for me and everyone else. NOT saying "name a single skillful thing you've done." Like oh wow, what a horrible thing to say. Give me a break. If she doesn't want to hear that she can click a little button to mute me. What am I supposed to do when she ditches lane leaving me 1v2? I can't click a button to solve that. Riot needs to get their priorities straight.

About the rest of the comments, the notion that that's enough to get permanently banned is, if we're being honest here, ridiculous, everyone knows it.

Inters, griefers, and AFKers are punished. Just because it doesn't happen at the rate you'd like or to everyone you claim is a troll doesn't mean the system lets the real offenders get by without punishment.

Lol you're funny! xD I have experiential evidence that many people get away with inting and trolling, it's not up for debate. Don't be delusional.

TrulyBland1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-25T23:27:43.088+0000)

it's not up for debate.

Indeed, it isn't.

Any finite amount of example, no matter how huge, can prove something to be universally true. One single counterexample proves it cannot be universally true.

And there are lots of examples of people being banned for inting and trolling. Even a couple of subtle cases.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

Did I say that people are never punished for it?

Because the other person said that "the real offenders" get punished, so I responded by saying I know for a fact, because I've seen it, that some real offenders don't.

TrulyBland2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=000300000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-26T00:10:32.563+0000)

Did I say that people are never punished for it?

Because the other person said that "the real offenders" get punished, so I responded by saying I know for a fact, because I've seen it, that some real offenders don't.

Here's a reminder to what you actually said:

And two I know for a fact that I could run it down, grief, troll, the most negative things in the game and nothing would happen.

And that really does imply that there is zero chance of you being banned for those things; otherwise, how could you know it for a fact? And from there it's really not that far-fetched to assume you take a "nobody ever gets banned for these things" stance.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

I've seen people do it before, why couldn't they do it again?

And from there it's really not that far-fetched to assume you take a "nobody ever gets banned for these things" stance.

Oh stop trying to justify your little fallacy, that doesn't work here.

TrulyBland1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=00030000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-26T00:27:35.360+0000)

I've seen people do it before, why couldn't they do it again?

"Why couldn't they do it again" is a long way from "I know for a fact that I could run it down […] and nothing would happen". Also: Bad luck? A manual review? Improved detection? Plenty of reasons I can think of.

How about you stop trying to weasel your way out of this. You said what you said, stop trying to twist it into something else and just accept that what you said was wrong.

If you want to keep doing this, however, don't mind me keeping a list of things you didn't actually say:

  • I've seen people do it before, why couldn't they do it again?
  • I know for a fact, because I've seen it, that some real offenders don't [get punished].
rujitra1 votes

It's perfectly valid to leave lane early.

One recent game, I left bot Lane around 8-8:30 and roamed helping counterjungle and helping other lanes. This was after my ADC refused to communicate and simply say farming under tower and refused to follow up on my pokes/CC. Leaving lane both allowed me to poke and get gold (spellthiefs) as well as get other lanes kills, while my ADC didn't lose anything, and actually leveled up faster because I wasn't permanently leeching exp.

My point is that there are valid reasons to leave lane early as a support. You being unhappy with it doesn't make it instantly griefing. If they thought they had a valid reason to do so, even if it's weird or not what you would do, it's not griefing.

rujitra2 votes

It's not vague. The Summoners Code is crystal clear as to aceptable behavior.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

You're joking right?

"We’ve all had tough games where we fell behind, got camped super hard or missed an easy smite, only to get flamed in chat. Avoid making others feel that same way and report the ones who do."

"If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight."

rujitra1 votes

In what way is that vague? Don't make others feel bad just because you feel bad. And don't continue arguing/"discussing" with someone just to continue arguing and have the last word. If there's a disagreement, let it go and work around it.

Neither of those are vague at all.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

It is entirely vague. "What makes others feel bad" is completely subjective. This isnt rocket science, your just thinking with emotion rather than logic.

Someone can trash talk me, I can laugh it off and mute them if I feel like it. So should they get banned in that scenario? No, because they didnt make others feel bad? But what if it was towards someone else and it made them feel bad? Oh now it is worthy of a ban? You see the concept of subjectiveness now?

Then you extrapolate and begin to see how if anything that can possibly make someone feel bad is punishable, then I have to start appealing to the lowest common denominator because that one little sensitive person, who actually needs to toughen their skin the most, could get triggered and report me. So now youre suppressing thousands of people who may be saying justified things because youre worried about protecting one person who doesnt need protection in the first place.

But riot never thought this deeply did they?

rujitra3 votes

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The Law oƒ One1 votes

I like the complete lack of addressing anything I said. I guess you dont disagree with anything.

  1. I'm not being a victim by stating my disagreement with this policy.

  2. I'm not refusing to take responsibility by stating my disagreement with this policy.

I can have an opinion.

rujitra3 votes

You are blaming the victims of toxic behavior for being unhappy because it's their fault they're "sensitive" and "triggered". And the numbers are opposite, actually. Over 80% of players never get a single chat restriction.

You further are attempting to say it's the players fault for being "triggered", instead of your fault for being toxic. That's you trying to shift blame and not take responsibility for your actions.

While you have a right to your opinion, others have a right to point out logical fallacies, inaccuracies, or flat out irresponsibility in your opinions.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

What are you talking about? I never said any of that. Youre reaching for straws and putting words in my mouth. Trying to tell me about fallacies, ha!

Just to throw it out there, it actually is someones fault if they get upset at something someone else said. People are responsible for their own actions, period. If you angry at something someone says, youre allowing yourself to have that reaction. If you start giving other people power over you and reacting to everything others say, youre handing over your free will. Instead of trying to silence them people should be trying to understand why that upsets them in the first place, once you deal with that it will no longer upset you. I'm working on this myself.

rujitra3 votes

Yep. You're continuing it. There's no reason to bring up people being "sensitive" or "triggered" unless you're trying to claim it's their fault.

Victim blaming isn't okay. As you say, you're responsible for your actions, not the person who is inconvenienced or whose experience is worsened because of your actions.

KFCeytron2 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well. Avoid negative thoughts and useless chatting with poor performing teammates! Focus on victory by muting the offending player and then reporting them at the end of the game.

Do not ask other players in the match to report the offending player. It only takes one report for our systems to review a game. Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players.

I'm sorry you've seen worse and/or I'm happy to hear that your behavior has improved, but the system wants your behavior to be acceptable, not just less unacceptable than what you have seen in others and/or demonstrated in the past.

This one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring a clean account to an instant permaban, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

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KFCeytron4 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-07-25T23:55:39.162+0000)

Bla bla bla bla bla, you ever stop for a second and think for yourself about whether the stuff youre regurgitating is reasonable and fair? No. Or else you wouldn't have made that comment.

So, when you said "please let me know what you think" what you really meant was "allow me to demonstrate why I was permabanned"?

Goodbye.

The Law oƒ One1 votes

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CharDeeMcDenniz4 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Law oƒ One,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=men1c0c4,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-26T11:24:23.581+0000)

The funny thing is that most people agree with what I'm saying

where exactly are you pulling this gross assumption from?

GeminiRune3 votes

Maybe it's an echo chamber made up on the totally invisible comments here that support this apparently unethical permaban.

Not one user has verbally agreed to this!

The Law oƒ One1 votes

Understanding and logic.

CharDeeMcDenniz2 votes

soooooo complete BS

got it

The Law oƒ One1 votes

I know it might be hard to imagine but its not that hard to imagine what other people think, we're not that different.

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