PSA: if you're here to disagree with the rules, expect nothing.

Fatesight·Dec 31, 2018·1 votes·2,742 views

To elaborate, if you are anything like me, coming here to express your dissatisfaction with a system that will have you treated like scum for some bad words that do nothing but hurt someone's feelings, but do absolutely nothing about actions that objectively ruin matches, don't bother. It's abundantly clear that the people here (and the people at Riot) will not listen to any sort of criticism. To them, having every other match of yours ruined by some asshole is just fine and dandy, but if you snap at them and get punished, you clearly deserved it. It's a no-compromise, "take it or leave it" matter. And if that's how it is, leaving is the only reasonable choice.

(On a personal note, I really wanted to like this game. Hell, for years, I did like this game. But at this point, the existing policies have made it impossible. It's like going to your favorite restaurant to have a nice meal. Sure, it has a good flavor, but you don't really wanna eat it anymore when people come up to your table to spit in your food and the owners do nothing about them, now do you?)

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rujitraDec 31, 201813 votes

To be blunt, your feelings don't matter - the feelings of the community do. The community has, since early seasons, consistently said behavior such as that which is punished is not wanted in League. It doesn't matter if you "disagree" - that's not going to change the rules. So simply coming here to disagree is not a valid discussion.
Riot does do things about intentional actions which ruin matches. If someone is intentionally ruining a match, they will virtually certainly be punished. If their behavior is not provably intentional, such as players who just look like they're having a bad game, they will not be punished because there is no way to verify it was intentional.
It's not a "take it or leave it". It's a "be a decent human being even when others aren't". That's kinda how life works.

HotarµDec 31, 20183 votes

"It's not a "take it or leave it". It's a "be a decent human being even when others aren't". That's kinda how life works."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20183 votes

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To be blunt, your feelings don't matter - the feelings of the community do. The community has, since early seasons, consistently said behavior such as that which is punished is not wanted in League. It doesn't matter if you "disagree" - that's not going to change the rules. So simply coming here to disagree is not a valid discussion.

Riot does do things about intentional actions which ruin matches. If someone is intentionally ruining a match, they will virtually certainly be punished. If their behavior is not provably intentional, such as players who just look like they're having a bad game, they will not be punished because there is no way to verify it was intentional.

It's not a "take it or leave it". It's a "be a decent human being even when others aren't". That's kinda how life works.

Don't make me laugh, i know whole groups of people who intentionally troll games and have done so for years and years and have never been banned. Let me be clear, Organized groups, skype groups, discord groups, team speak groups, where their explicit goal is to lose games and make others miserable, literal whole groups of nasty people and some of these groups have the art to a science, in such a way they have gone years without any sort of punishment, i've even been shown accounts with level 5 honor, where the user of the account literally lost on purpose, and soft trolled.

How can you down vote me when i'm literally just mentioning that there's organized groups of trolls who tank accounts and vent their steam without being directed? Lol very very interesting. If you click down vote on what im saying here, ask yourself why you're triggered? Again, I'm LITERALLY just pointing out something that's true. Is reality that scary that we have to down vote it? No, i think its petty, I think it's an emotional downvote, not one based on the facts.

rujitraDec 31, 20188 votes

And do they appear noticeably and beyond a reasonable doubt to be intentionally trolling? Or not?

Riot doesn't have a crystal ball. They can't see what the players are saying to each other in real life. They can't see whether the player is doing it intentionally or not. And they won't punish someone innocent accidentally just because "well you look like you might have been inting so ur fucked".

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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And do they appear noticeably and beyond a reasonable doubt to be intentionally trolling? Or not?

Riot doesn't have a crystal ball. They can't see what the players are saying to each other in real life. They can't see whether the player is doing it intentionally or not. And they won't punish someone innocent accidentally just because "well you look like you might have been inting so ur fucked".

Nice backpedal I seem to recall you saying: "Riot does do things about intentional actions which ruin matches. If someone is intentionally ruining a match, they will virtually certainly be punished."

"They will virtually certainly be punished"

This is untrue, and this is my only point here. You can't be correct in saying they will virtually certainly be punished. That's just anti-true. Am I expecting riot to punish them? No, i never said that at all. Tho, i can think of ways they could be punished. Like having people like me infiltrate these groups, to get info and evidence. People tell me everything cuz ima girl, yay female privilege. they brag to me and give me any info i ask. But again, im not expecting riot to figure this all out on their own. Nor am i offering my services.

The whole point of my feedback here is to correct your incorrect view of the situation.

FatesightDec 31, 20181 votes

As I said... expect nothing from this bunch. If you want a game that treats you fairly and respects the time you spend on it enough to keep others from ruining your fun, well, that won't be League.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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As I said... expect nothing from this bunch. If you want a game that treats you fairly and respects the time you spend on it enough to keep others from ruining your fun, well, that won't be League.

This is my point, i am saying it's possible that riot can do better, but i'm also saying that i don't expect them to. It's too much work, and way too complicated. The only reason I have the info that i have is my formal police/pi investigation training. I found it interesting to talk to these trolls.

rujitraDec 31, 20184 votes

So.. you think Riot should "infiltrate" these "groups" (when almost all trolls are individuals, not groups) and ban a couple dozen people... but then how do you deal with these individuals trolling? You aren't correcting the problem at all.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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So.. you think Riot should "infiltrate" these "groups" (when almost all trolls are individuals, not groups) and ban a couple dozen people... but then how do you deal with these individuals trolling? You aren't correcting the problem at all.

A couple dozen? You mean a few 1000 right? How do you deal with these individuals trolling? I have a pretty good idea on how they do it, and i have ideas on how one could find patterns too. But that's not my point.

My ONLY point here, is that you were factually incorrect. "They will virtually certainly be punished" is factually untrue. That's my only point. You were wrong, and i'd like to see a mature, "sorry i was wrong". without that I honestly can't even take anything you say srsly.

Oh and i clearly express im not expecting riot to figure this all out, and punish them. I am, not, expecting, that, get that though your head. the only thing im doing here is pointing out a false statement. I guess I am also, hinting at the possibility of countering them, yes i am saying it's possible, but im not expecting it.

rujitraDec 31, 20183 votes

What's your evidence for these groups existing and having "a few 1000" players?

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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What's your evidence for these groups existing and having "a few 1000" players?

I'm not offering my services as a Pi here. If you wanted that kind of report from me, 2 requirements must be met.

I actually want to put together a full investigation and expose people with my time. (I have much more profitable projects on my plate right now)
I get paid over 200 bucks an hour to do so.

You can manipulate yourself and try to brush me off as some random with no evidence. But that's telling, very telling of your psyche and your integrity. I'm pointing out something that happens, if you wanna go do your own investigation then hit Reddit and other communication outlets and start digging for people and do it yourself. You'll find the same answers i did. Heck, i stumbled on the first group from another game and a year ago decided to check into it for myself and found that there's 1000s of people doing this, and they're also involved in account sales/boosting and everything else. (If you did all this work maybe riot would hire you or something. i'm sure there's incentive for you here.)

The mature, I was wrong isn't coming is it? Well, all eyes on you and they see your manipulative unconsious alter ego leaking out and you're prob not even aware of it.

rujitraDec 31, 20182 votes

You're lying out your teeth, if not outright trolling.

You're lucky the mods are too concerned about "silencing" people that they let people like you keep posting.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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You're lying out your teeth, if not outright trolling.

You're lucky the mods are too concerned about "silencing" people that they let people like you keep posting.

Very very telling my friend, your reaction here is very telling. You do understand that you're just proving me more and more right.... Right? Lying? Ehh, no rofl why would I lie about this? I'm challenging you to go find out for yourself. Go right ahead and investigate yourself. I dare you. Trolling? I quit "trolling" when I was 16 and realized that it's not going to benefit me or those i care about in the long run. I'm an "anti-troll" if anything.

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You're lying out your teeth, if not outright trolling.

You're lucky the mods are too concerned about "silencing" people that they let people like you keep posting.

ACTUALLY I will lay out some of the methods they use.

First off you play the game normally, pick a high impact role like mid or jungle. Then you proceed to farm well, on par or better than ur teammates, you even buy properly and you run around playing. But you hit S, or fuck up your mechanics on purpose, dying a few time but you get a kill or 2 as well, both to keep your gold payout high, and so you don't get reported for feeding. A score may look like 4/6/11 or something like that, the amount of damage you do can even be on par with your role. The trick is to lure your team into bad fights at bad times. It actually takes a good player to pull this off, maybe plat+ idk.

This one just a little bit of what's possible.... There's plenty of room for some more blatant trolling using this strat, if it's done though actions in game that seem unintentional. Like accidentally taking a buff, or intentionally pushing ur lane when you as a decent player knows you shouldn't. If you're jungling maybe you'll go to gank lots but you hold back and simply make it look like you tried to gank. Also neglecting to grab easy rifts/drags/counter jungling, failing to collapse on roams/invades. ect.... You just do enough to look like you're an average player, while ignoring all the things you know you need to do to win, and intentionally starting fights you know you'll lose with your team.

Why do all this? Cuz people like smurfing in low elo, and people will buy bronze 5/4 accounts for more than they'll pay for a gold/plat. These accounts either get sold, or used for duo boosting.

Oh and one more thing, if you're really good at this, you'll be super nice in chat and get honored a lot while intentionally losing. & you dodge any game that you find in champ select your team has a good player who might carry, or if your teamcomp is way better than theirs. You dodge. That loses you Lp, and avoids winning a game that you had a high chance of winning even despite your efforts to lose.

It gets harder and harder to lose below bronze 1, that's where these accounts have their value. You gotta be decent at losing, and you gotta be duoing with someone who's also trying to lose.

Do you see now? Do you understand enough about human nature to realize that this is not only possible, but even without screenshots and a case built, you should be able to honestly say to yourself... Well, actually now that you explain it, it does actually make sense. Seriously man, denial isn't pretty. You and I both know people are not only capable of all of this, but do it.

You just don't like the fact, i'm looking you straight in the eye(not literally don't be petty) and telling you that you said something that is factually incorrect. Riot cannot virtually always punish intentional losing. They can only catch the obvious ones, not the clever ones. Their best chance at punishing these players, is catching the accounts when they're sold, or being used to boost. But they cannot catch the actual trolls who are creating these accounts in the first place. It's nonpunishable, because these people don't care about any of their accounts once they're sold.

rujitraDec 31, 20183 votes

So, if you yourself admit that these actions are indistinguishable from legitimate (bad) play, how do you suggest Riot punish them?

Is Riot going to hire undercover agents to go spend all day "infiltrating" these groups? What happens when these groups stop accepting "new" members or finding coded ways to friend each other? Do you really think Riot can just go to these groups and be like "lol what's ur acct name bro i'm not a cop"?

The "groups" (which I still doubt exist because what you're saying is too outrageous to be true) would always stay one step ahead of Riot.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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So, if you yourself admit that these actions are indistinguishable from legitimate (bad) play, how do you suggest Riot punish them?

Is Riot going to hire undercover agents to go spend all day "infiltrating" these groups? What happens when these groups stop accepting "new" members or finding coded ways to friend each other? Do you really think Riot can just go to these groups and be like "lol what's ur acct name bro i'm not a cop"?

The "groups" (which I still doubt exist because what you're saying is too outrageous to be true) would always stay one step ahead of Riot.

How many times, do i have to spell this out. I do not expect them to do anything about it

Are you like.... blind? Not literally, again

They didn't stay one step ahead of me, I had no issue getting people to tell me what they're up to, i even sat in calls while people did this. I made moral arguments against it even, they still didn't suspect me as a spy. Tho, i wasn't much of a spy, just curious and bored. But with all that said, ultimately I will say you are right. If riot actually took measures against this, even I can think of ways they'd find around it. Which is why i'm saying in plain English. i do not expect this to be solved

My only point here was to point out that you're operating under a false assumption, that riot will virtually always punish intentional losers. If you wanna be accurate, then say riot will always punish obvious trolls. That's fine, and all I'm doing here is practicing my debating skills and enjoying some verbal sparing. You seem to intentionally ignore my explicit reasoning for making these replies.

rujitraDec 31, 20181 votes

What's the sense complaining about a system that you admit is impossible to improve to the level at which you'd stop complaining about it?

Sure, can the system be improved? It could. But if it's impossible to improve it to a level you're happy at, why complain?

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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What's the sense complaining about a system that you admit is impossible to improve to the level at which you'd stop complaining about it?

Sure, can the system be improved? It could. But if it's impossible to improve it to a level you're happy at, why complain?

Again, i'll spell the out in PLAIN ENGLISH. Tho, it seems your psyche filters out truth and reality to serve your narrative. I am not "complaining" nor do i expect them to do anything about it. The only purpose of my replies is to point out a false assumption you're going on, then i continued because verbal sparing is my favorite pastime, when i have no one to do it with, i do it against myself.

I'll say exactly what i'm doing here yet again.

Point out a false assumption you're operating on
practicing my debating skills
having a good time

I have no interest in complaining about intentional losers, It almost NEVER happens to me in my games, even if it does it hardly bothers me.

https://ibb.co/84Vbp44

I actually found one of the old SS i got from my investigation.

as you can see, everything i have been saying plays out. These people are very good at intentionally losing games, even with 100 bloody kills, they still managed to pull of a loss. Really, nothing i've said here is a lie. Be a big person and apologize, or not idc but it'd do a lot for your integrity and public image.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

A reply i sent to someone else in this thread:

If it's me you're addressing, they make it look like they're just bad players, that's the whole point yes. Tho since they're usually gold - challenger players in reality, they intentionally play much worse than they are capable of. I met 2 challenger player who did this just so they could get 2 bronze 5 accounts, then they would try to get 100 kills or something, actually ill post up a SS of one of their accounts if i'm allowed.

https://ibb.co/84Vbp44

Imperial PandaaDec 31, 20183 votes

If that is all they do, then it is consistent. When it is consistent, is it trolling or just a bad player for the game/champ?

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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If that is all they do, then it is consistent. When it is consistent, is it trolling or just a bad player for the game/champ?

https://ibb.co/84Vbp44

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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If it's me you're addressing, they make it look like they're just bad players, that's the whole point yes. Tho since they're usually gold - challenger players in reality, they intentionally play much worse than they are capable of. I met 2 challenger player who did this just so they could get 2 bronze 5 accounts, then they would try to get 100 kills or something, actually ill post up a SS of one of their accounts if i'm allowed.

https://ibb.co/84Vbp44

Imperial PandaaDec 31, 20181 votes

See, with something like that, unless the games was 60+ minutes; I would hope that score is a red flag of "Why is this person there and how?"

To be clear, I wasn't saying they don't exist; just that finding, especially with a system would have complications. Like the 100% Yi and 0% TK guy. Consistently lost on TK, so a system would just think he is a bad TK player.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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See, with something like that, unless the games was 60+ minutes; I would hope that score is a red flag of "Why is this person there and how?"

To be clear, I wasn't saying they don't exist; just that finding, especially with a system would have complications. Like the 100% Yi and 0% TK guy. Consistently lost on TK, so a system would just think he is a bad TK player.

This is just 1 SS, i had 100s of them at one time. This guy was a much more obvious one, but guess what, i monitored him for like 8 months and no one ever noticed him and he only stopped cuz he got bored, as far as i know his account is still unbanned. The really good int losers are no where near as clear cut, and they usually sold their accounts after getting them to b5, for up to 100 dollars at times.

The person and his friend in this screenshot told me outright they just did this for the lawls. So they were not selling or duo boosting, they just liked to troll in low elo like this.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

And what I find really fishy is that im getting down voted like mad, tho i don't care it is very telling of the psyche of the people down voting me. Im not saying anything i haven't backed up with examples, explanations and even a SS. Ive said nothing inaccurate, yet I get down voted.

That tells me a lot about the minds of these people and the quality of their decisions, their integrity and self honesty.

FatesightDec 31, 20182 votes

For a moment, I would invite you to actually look around the subforum you are a specialist of, and realize that AT LEAST every other thread is about how ridiculously broken the system is. At that point, it's not just my feelings anymore.

And it doesn't really matter how hard you try to shill for the existing system, the fact is that this game has so many trolls exactly because of that ineffective attitude. There are many more ways to ruin a match than running it down mid 20 times. As long as you only punish the latter, League WILL continue to have a severe issue with trolls.

But hey, thanks for proving my point.

rujitraDec 31, 20186 votes

Looking at threads for the past 24 hours, there are a total of 7 players making complaints about the punishment system. All other threads are general complaints, people reporting specific behavior, etc. Even if you take all 20 something threads that have been posted, there are tens of millions of monthly League players. If only 20 of them per day are complaining, it'd take over 68 years to reach half of the League community complaining. So yes, it is not just your feelings. It is still not the League community's feelings. You are in the vast minority.
I am going to list games below that under your proposed system of "ruining a game" (vague as fuck, btw) resulting in punishment would likely get you punished. In this game, you only fed. No kills or assists. Period. Should you get banned for that? You placed no wards in this game and did the second least damage to champions, as well as having no kills and the least gold income on your team. Should you be punished for that? I think so. It's obvious you ruined the game for your team. You only finished one item, lowest gold income, lowest vision score, and multiple questionably deep deaths against the enemy. Should you be punished for this one? Yeah, I think that definitely "ruined the game" for someone. You see the problem? Any time you punish players for having bad games or being bad, literally everyone will be punished. And sure, I don't know if you were intentionally feeding or not in those games. I bet you'll try and claim you weren't. But the system doesn't care if the evidence proves you were inting or not, at least your system wouldn't. It only cares if you might have been inting. So you'd be under the banhammer too under your system. You okay with being banned (note that if even 2 of those games I linked would've been caught, and there's a very decent chance under your proposed system that at least two of those would have been flagged, that you would be banned permanently)?

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

How about my point? The one where I clearly proved your anti-true statement and provided a solution? We brushing right past that now?

" You can't be correct in saying they will virtually certainly be punished. That's just anti-true. Am I expecting riot to punish them? No, i never said that at all. Tho, i can think of ways they could be punished. Like having people like me infiltrate these groups, to get info and evidence. People tell me everything cuz ima girl, yay female privilege. they brag to me and give me any info i ask. But again, im not expecting riot to figure this all out on their own. Nor am i offering my services.

The whole point of my feedback here is to correct your incorrect view of the situation."

Honestly I am curious to see how mature you'll be here, and if you'll admit you were just wrong. All eyes on you.

FatesightDec 31, 20181 votes

Getting personal now, are we? I don't remember ever denying that everyone has bad matches. However, there are bound to be differences between someone who tries and fails at times, and someone who habitually trolls in a manner that the current system ignores. Also, my proposed system? I don't remember proposing any particular system, either. It's not my job to figure out how to fix Riot's system. I am simply stating that the current system is intolerably bad.

rujitraDec 31, 20182 votes

You say there are "bound to be differences". If you could identify those, that'd be great. What about a player of, say, your MMR who is placed (or matched) incorrectly by Riot's system, and as such has a lot of bad games? What about a player who's in bronze/iron but is still bad and has a lot of bad games. What about a player who's simply not a carry-oriented player and plays as a supportive role, thus tends to have lower KDAs than their teams.

You're proposing Riot punish more and not require intent to punish. Under any system like that, you'd be permanently banned.

CauseSCIENCEDec 31, 20181 votes

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For a moment, I would invite you to actually look around the subforum you are a specialist of, and realize that AT LEAST every other thread is about how ridiculously broken the system is. At that point, it's not just my feelings anymore.

And it doesn't really matter how hard you try to shill for the existing system, the fact is that this game has so many trolls exactly because of that ineffective attitude. There are many more ways to ruin a match than running it down mid 20 times. As long as you only punish the latter, League WILL continue to have a severe issue with trolls.

But hey, thanks for proving my point.

Well I wouldn't say every other thread, it's probably around that number. Let's check shall we:

Out of the last 30 posts, 5 of them directly mentioned game balance, with at max another 5 talking about toxic behavior, trolling, etc. Really not that many, it's even less than I expected.

Apricot JamsDec 31, 20181 votes

If someone is intentionally ruining a match, they will virtually certainly be punished.

virtually certainly LOL good one

HotarµDec 31, 20184 votes

It's abundantly clear that the people here (and the people at Riot) will not listen to any sort of criticism.

Nope!

Most of the people here on the PB Boards are especially open to discussion. If you have a valid argument, go right ahead and discuss it. If you face opposing opinions, that just means you're sparking lively discussion.

To them, having every other match of yours ruined by some asshole is just fine and dandy, but if you snap at them and get punished, you clearly deserved it.

This is not one of those situations where there's a valid argument to be made. You're not allowed to stoop to someone's level and simultaneously put yourself on a pedestal. I absolutely hate making comparison's to IRL situations when it comes to in game punishments, but it is functionally the same as committing a crime.

wqdjsaDec 31, 20181 votes

他们违反规定必须惩罚理应如此，

ModUlanopoDec 31, 20181 votes

确实，那些表现得很荣幸的人无所畏惧。

MoonscourgeDec 31, 20183 votes

In other news:

"Spoiled child gets told to sit down, throws tantrum"

Apricot JamsDec 31, 20182 votes

Don't worry, I got your back. I'm currently putting together a case to expose them. It'll likely get downvoted and buried by the riot fan club (mainly people that work there) but who knows, with your help and everyone else who has been mistreated, we might be able to make it go viral enough to make impact. Stay tuned.

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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Don't worry, I got your back. I'm currently putting together a case to expose them. It'll likely get downvoted and buried by the riot fan club (mainly people that work there) but who knows, with your help and everyone else who has been mistreated, we might be able to make it go viral enough to make impact. Stay tuned.

hahahahahahaha <3

wqdjsaDec 31, 20181 votes

确实如此

FatesightDec 31, 20181 votes

Um... bless you? [sg-lux-2]

wqdjsaDec 31, 20181 votes

完全可以出一些规则，让那一些人被禁言禁止在发帖，希望如此

fatherdariusDec 31, 20181 votes

You do, and you'll clean it up!

Miss HandcuffsDec 31, 20181 votes

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To elaborate, if you are anything like me, coming here to express your dissatisfaction with a system that will have you treated like scum for some bad words that do nothing but hurt someone's feelings, but do absolutely nothing about actions that objectively ruin matches, don't bother. It's abundantly clear that the people here (and the people at Riot) will not listen to any sort of criticism. To them, having every other match of yours ruined by some asshole is just fine and dandy, but if you snap at them and get punished, you clearly deserved it. It's a no-compromise, "take it or leave it" matter. And if that's how it is, leaving is the only reasonable choice.

(On a personal note, I really wanted to like this game. Hell, for years, I did like this game. But at this point, the existing policies have made it impossible. It's like going to your favorite restaurant to have a nice meal. Sure, it has a good flavor, but you don't really wanna eat it anymore when people come up to your table to spit in your food and the owners do nothing about them, now do you?)

I will say this, every other match isn't ruined. it's very very very very very rare that i get trolled in games and when i ask my friends they say the same thing. You may be just bias, and looking at the bad games more than the good games. I suggest meditation, and gratitude. You'll learn to see more of the positive in your life, and games, and the negative will be less of impact on your mood.

FatesightDec 31, 20181 votes

The "every other match" part was hyperbole, yes. But not by much. Also, thanks for the advice, but I have made my choice and moved on to another MOBA (shouldn't be hard to guess which one). Incidentally, out of something like 25-30 matches now, I haven't encountered a single troll. Guess other companies know something Riot doesn't.