Why is this even a problem in the community? I've seen variants of this like 5 times. You can't just not ban having "klu klux" in people's clan tags? Why aren't their harsher punishments for this type of behavior? It makes me not even want to play the game being bombarded with this type of racism.
Cmon Riot. Step it up.
Professor Ward12 votesKKK is 100% legal to be a part of, white supremacy is just as legal as homosexuality, or being part of a book club as long as you arent breaking real laws.
If youre not harming anyone, it is 100% within your right to be a part of a white supremacist group as an american.
Ill state this again,** as an american citizen, you are allowed to hate anyone you want in this world for any reason you want.** You however are** not allowed to act out on those feelings** in anyway that is seen as illegal. Ie: battery, slander, murder.
While it is riots game, kkk is not as illegal as most think.
PokladnicaZla5 votesDoesn't RITO have a rule against hate speech and racism? Cause the KKK fill both of those requirements
jeanne mulaney1 votes"It's not illegal" =/= "It doesn't violate TOS". It's not illegal to call someone the n-word, or tell them they're garbage at this game, or to relentlessly tell someone to kill themselves (unless they actually do, but that's beside the point), but all of these behaviors are punishable in League of Legends. Using the clan tag "KKK" to promote bigotry directly contradicts with the section of the TOS against the usage of slurs and discriminatory language.
MachstDuBierHase10 votesaprox 20 years ago we named ourself the Killer-Keks-Kommando, which translates roughly into cookie-crunch-commando (Because every damn time we just ate cookies.. it was fun.. it was a joke) it took about 7 (2006) years and a tournament in London where a our initials were on the Holoband (KKKo) that we noticed we need to change something about that
So in all honesty.. are they really just KKK or Ku-Klux-Klan in full?
Feminine Wiles4 votesI've seen variants of both. I've seen tags like "Kool Kids Klub," "KKK Knights," and "Klu Klux Club."
In all honesty they could just prevent names from having "Klu Klux" in them. It's very obvious what they mean.
HalcyonDweller23 votesIt's different in NA, where there is historical significance to the acronym.
Compare it to people using Nazi slogans for club names, if you want something from European culture to compare it to.
Votable Jester13 votesIdk, while it's certainly in poor taste, I still think people are overly sensitive about it. They're also somewhat similar to 9/11 jokes. Sure they're kinda in poor taste, but I at least think they should still be allowed.
Especially if they're just making a pun with it, that's clearly just a (maybe a bit edgy) joke likely with no actual hateful intent.
Of course this is Riot's game so it's up to them what is and is not allowed, and I will abide by their rules.
If people are actually saying mean/hateful stuff in game of course, that should not be allowed. I just don't think a club tag is in your face or serious enough to warrant punishment.
HalcyonDweller6 votesPeople sometimes use it like "look at my club tag" as a way around saying anything punishable in chat.
Also there's the problem with doing "edgy" stuff in society, you run the risk of crossing the line and being genuinely offensive.
I respect people trying to make a joke or trying to be edgy. The problem is that often it's not possible to differentiate between them and the people who are doing it to actually celebrate racist ideas.
Votable Jester7 votesYeah. I mean I expect to be downvoted, this is a legitimate unpopular opinion here (unlike all those posts haha).
Maybe if they specifically use one of those words without a pun it should be punishable, but if it is just a pun, they should be able to appeal the decision. I generally prefer to believe the best in people and assume they're making a dumb joke rather than hiding racism.
Of course there are some who are legitimately being racist, which is why I now agree with you in regards to tags that are directly hateful. I don't think there are as many racists though as others seem to think there are.
Edit: WTF I've said this same stuff multiple times and been downvoted to hell. Now I say it's an unpopular opinion and I get upvotes? What is this magic? [sg-janna]
HalcyonDweller3 votes[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ly8AnUJv,comment-id=00040001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-08T19:59:46.990+0000)
Yeah. I mean I expect to be downvoted, this is a legitimate unpopular opinion here (unlike all those posts haha).
Maybe if they specifically use one of those words without a pun it should be punishable, but if it is just a pun, they should be able to appeal the decision. I generally prefer to believe the best in people and assume they're making a dumb joke rather than hiding racism.
Of course there are some who are legitimately being racist, which is why I now agree with you in regards to tags that are directly hateful. I don't think there are as many racists though as others seem to think there are.
<shrug> I'm with you there. I'd like to believe in the best in people as well, but this isn't just about me. I'm a privileged individual, racism in all its shittiness and systemic involvement doesn't affect me. It does affect the unprivileged though, and reminding them of it constantly (while potentially benign) could be used by folks who intend to do so while hiding under the guise of simply being one of the joking groups.
NocturnalSheild2 votes[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ly8AnUJv,comment-id=00040001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-08T19:59:46.990+0000)
Yeah. I mean I expect to be downvoted, this is a legitimate unpopular opinion here (unlike all those posts haha).
Maybe if they specifically use one of those words without a pun it should be punishable, but if it is just a pun, they should be able to appeal the decision. I generally prefer to believe the best in people and assume they're making a dumb joke rather than hiding racism.
Of course there are some who are legitimately being racist, which is why I now agree with you in regards to tags that are directly hateful. I don't think there are as many racists though as others seem to think there are.
Edit: WTF I've said this same stuff multiple times and been downvoted to hell. Now I say it's an unpopular opinion and I get upvotes? What is this magic? [sg-janna]
The forum isnt a hivemind.
Different people simply saw your post this time.
Professor Ward1 votes
People sometimes use it like "look at my club tag" as a way around saying anything punishable in chat.
Also there's the problem with doing "edgy" stuff in society, you run the risk of crossing the line and being genuinely offensive.
I respect people trying to make a joke or trying to be edgy. The problem is that often it's not possible to differentiate between them and the people who are doing it to actually celebrate racist ideas.
i believe in my heart that over 50% of america runs purely off of #2
HalcyonDweller6 votesIndeed, a lot of people just love being a rebel, it's cultural.
But there are lines that shouldn't be crossed even for that purpose. Making light of something as serious as systemic racism is simply not acceptable. Additionally, it runs the risk of muddying the water / creating too much 'noise' and creating opportunities for genuinely sinister groups to persist undetected.
Ayzev2 votesMaking light of something as serious as systemic racism is simply not acceptable.
Joking about something doesn't mean you don't take it seriously. Often the seriousness is exactly what makes something funny in the first place.
Additionally, it runs the risk of muddying the water / creating too much 'noise' and creating opportunities for genuinely sinister groups to persist undetected.
As soon as those sinister groups have even the slightest impact on anything whatsoever, they will be noticed, and action will be taken accordingly if the matter is serious enough. As long as they don't have any impact on anything, they're completely irrelevant.
HalcyonDweller3 votesJoking about something doesn't mean you don't take it seriously. Often the seriousness is exactly what makes something funny in the first place.
Fair enough. However taking something seriously is still possible while making jokes about it that should not be made. And jokes should not be made at peoples' expense, especially when the purpose of the game is not to bring those kinds of issues front and center. It's a game, for people to play. Nobody should be politicizing it or bringing offensive or vulgar concepts into it by using their tags or user-names.
As soon as those sinister groups have even the slightest impact on anything whatsoever, they will be noticed, and action will be taken accordingly if the matter is serious enough. As long as they don't have any impact on anything, they're completely irrelevant.
A group doesn't have to make an impact in order to gain members, and once it has members then it can influence those members to do things off-platform that Riot could never detect. And even for activity on-platform, it's possible to build up an organization without making any impact at all, and then do something terrible out of nowhere.
Not thinking of any examples, this is just an analysis of how influence and impact work.
Ayzev3 votesjokes that should not be made
Who decides what jokes should be made and what shouldn't and how do they decide that?
jokes should not be made at peoples' expense
So no dark humor should be allowed?
It's a game, for people to play.
The purpose of that being fun, same as the purpose of jokes.
Nobody should be politicizing it or bringing offensive or vulgar concepts into it by using their tags or user-names.
It only gets political when you try to get rid of it. Before then, you just either have a laugh or shake your head and move on.
it's possible to build up an organization without making any impact at all, and then do something terrible out of nowhere.
So action should be taken based on speculation?
HalcyonDweller4 votesWho decides what jokes should be made and what shouldn't and how do they decide that?
So no dark humor should be allowed?
The purpose of that being fun, same as the purpose of jokes.
Jokes in an environment intended for jokes (such as a private discord with friends or a legitimate comedy performance) are fine.
Not everyone is here for jokes, especially jokes on that sort of subject matter. It's not a part of the expected experience, so people don't have the context needed to know it's a joke. It's bound to offend people because it's extremely offensive material. It will frequently offend people unless they know ahead of time that it's intended to be used as a joke. Are you unfamiliar with the importance of context and the importance of preparing your audience for a punchline?
It only gets political when you try to get rid of it. Before then, you just either have a laugh or shake your head and move on.
racism is a social and political issue. Joking about it doesn't change that. And joking about it by pretending to be part of a scummy organization is too extreme to work except in environments where the audience is prepared and is expecting it to be a joke.
So action should be taken based on speculation?
Don't cherry pick, you're taking pieces of my argument out of context. You did this for the whole comment.
The problem is that the representation of the organization is bad for things overall. Not only is it offensive and racist (and entirely unacceptable for reasons already outlined related to jokes and when it's safe to make extreme ones), but it is also visibility and representation for said group. If people are forced to remember it or think about it then they are reminded of a whole bunch of awful shit that they didn't queue up for a game of league to be reminded of in.
I feel like it's necessary to qualify here: the topic we're discussing here is very touchy in the USA, you're not from the USA so I think it's possible that you're talking about in EU. I'm talking about in NA, I don't care if people use K's in their tags in EU, because EU doesn't have a history that involves the K clan.
La Belle Sauvage9 votesMake sure you report those tags. I know I do.
Criomhthann8 votesIt seems really strange to frame people concerned about the use of KKK tags as "overly sensitive" when the KKK and their associates have killed like 40 people over the past year, with promises to kill more.
EvilDustMan7 votesPeople think it makes them edgy and hilarious and not tiresome.
webstar11086 votesYour name is Fowl Language. LMAO please.
Feminine Wiles26 votesYour name is Fowl Language. LMAO please.
It's a webcomic https://www.fowllanguagecomics.com/
It's a pun
Quinn is my most played champ
What does that have to do with the OP about racist clan tags?
Rayjay Redfang4 votesIt is beetlejuicing which is why he laughed, but in this case the person with the related name posted the thread
webstar11085 votesglad someone noticed lol he must not have any sense of humor
Xidphel6 votesThey can't act on what they don't know. Send in a report so they know what's going on.
Naymliss6 votesIdk what is up with people being racist to be edgy. I really do not get it in the slightest.
Ayzev3 votesA KKK tag isn't racist. The KKK is, but their name is not. You simply associate it with racism. Naming yourself after them in a game as a joke doesn't mean you want black people lynched, it just means you have an immature sense of humor.
Feminine Wiles7 votesA KKK tag isn't racist. The KKK is, but their name is not. You simply associate it with racism. Naming yourself after them in a game as a joke doesn't mean you want black people lynched, it just means you have an immature sense of humor.
Give me a break. I'm not getting upset over people who think its a joke to make like "Kitty Klub Katarina," but when you're making clan tags like "Klu Klux Klub" or "Klu Klux Knights" it's very obvious what you're getting at.
Sweet mother of mercy. I hope you wouldn't be as tolerable of Nazi tags. The line has to be drawn somewhere. If you can report inappropriate usernames and hate speech, you should be able to report clan tags. And there should be more filters in place to help ensure some names aren't even created.
Ph03n1xb1rd2 votesWhy should you draw any kind of lines on things what affects NOTHING?
The only thing what this clan tag does is offending you, you choose to be offended. OFC, I agree, if the given player with the KKK clan tag goes to the streets and kills black ppl for fun, then it is a problem. Yet while he does actually NOTHING by having this as a clan tag, I can not really understand the problem here. He is immature and/or stupid, but none of these things are actually "punishable".
Could you explain me, what happened to YOU, just because somebody who you don't know used this tag?
HalcyonDweller5 votesI usually support Riot in things, but seriously.
WHAT THE FUCK RIOT?
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesIt's probably just because there are too many variants on it possible.
They could ban the tags, but the club name would be too easy to break.
HalcyonDweller3 votesI mean that definitely makes sense, but it's still really dumb that people do this at all even.
IMO in cases where a club tag is found to be racist without a doubt then the people who joined that club should all have their accounts banned. Anything less won't be enough of a deterrent to keep them from making more such tags.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesI wouldn't ban everyone in the club (especially since the tag might be set after they joined), but I'd definitely ban whoever set it.
######Also, thank you. :3
HalcyonDweller2 votesok yeah that was a bit extreme of me. maybe just people who set it or people who joined after it was set.
Yxgl222HaX4 voteslol
KZ Engel3 votesdo you actually care?
Feminine Wiles10 votes[{quoted}](name=KZ Engel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ly8AnUJv,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-05-08T18:29:25.115+0000)
do you actually care?
Yes I actually care. I'm black and don't exactly relish the practice of people openly supporting/promoting hate organizations on my favorite game.
Ifneth9 votesYeah, really. I came here to miss cannons and fail-flash into walls, not read hood-wearing terrorist-worshippers’ slogans.
Ztoka3 votesSeveral variations of Nigurz etc. I do report shady club names when I see them though..
Totally Not Jinx3 votesUPDATE
This thread's been pretty quiet since yesterday, but I'm not seeing any self-regulation here with regard to removing the political comments. So, because of this, I am locking this thread. Political Discussions are directly against the Universal Rules, so while you may see it here, please know NOT to post things of this nature in the future. OP was calling out problematic behaviour, and the thread moved in a direction that it shouldn't have.
If you have questions, feel free to talk to us in the The Boards Moderation Discord or the Discuss the Boards sub-board.
-Totally Not Jinx
Alrighty then,
While the sentiment of the original comment is genuine and heartfelt, I think it's officially time to try and clean up this thread. Overly political discussions, including those based on race, aren't allowed on the Boards according to the Universal Rules, and that's what this has turned into.
If you are well aware that your comments are over the line of being political, I suggest you remove them. I'll be back tomorrow to have a look at any progress, and clean up as necessary and possibly make a decision about locking the thread.
With regard to OP: I'm well aware that referencing the KKK can be political. However, this comment is calling out negative and racist behaviour first and foremost. That's why the thread's getting some time to get back on track.
NoPaxt2 votesThree K's in baseball is striking out the side, that one thought, K's are not necessarily due to white supremacy...
Automated Riven2 votesMy initials are kkk
Ifneth2 votesThat’s... unfortunate.
Automated Riven1 votesIt's ok. I don't tell people my middle name and then everything is fine.
Kaioko2 votesIt's hard to create a program that catches every variant of it and it just hasn't been deemed a big issue.
On the other hand I find you complaining about this with the summoner name you have a bit ironic.
YerroFever1 votesYou can report inappropriate names and tags. If Riot deems it inappropriate, Riot forces a mandatory change on the player or club tag.
Feminine Wiles2 votesI always report, but it happens way too often. I've seen these obviously kkk referencing clan tags soooo many times.
I'm not even checking everyone's clan every game to look... I only do it on occasion. Riot needs better limitations on creating racist clan names.
Almost Creative1 votesAre inappropriate clan tags even reportable? lol I know names are but I don't know about tags
Ztoka2 votes[{quoted}](name=DarkSkinned Papi,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ly8AnUJv,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-05-08T18:05:56.118+0000)
Are inappropriate clan tags even reportable? lol I know names are but I don't know about tags
Report under inappropriate name and specify in the notes you are reporting the club name, whatever it is.. That is what I have done so far..