Banned? Can someone help enlighten me?

CarmineXI·Dec 13, 2017·2 votes·1,109 views

I got banned from play for 2 weeks today for toxicity. Never been banned before or anything like that. And of course there's no rebuttal to this ban whatsoever, which is shite in and of itself. I've been here since season two and never been banned.

The name of the guy who flamed all game and reported me? **-edited by moderation due to naming and shaming- **For real?!

This insta-ban for 2 weeks doesn't seem to add up, considering I just got to lvl 5 honors.

Anyone have any insight?

Game 1 CarmineXI: sure CarmineXI: just know that's gonna set me back CarmineXI: ty CarmineXI: was NOT letting that bitch go CarmineXI: wtf CarmineXI: fuck it CarmineXI: 2/6 varus is trash CarmineXI: 18 min in, i start pushin bot lane and that's why you're trash? ok CarmineXI: kys CarmineXI: LOL CarmineXI: blaming you CarmineXI: i ganked you 3 times and you just stood there CarmineXI: you can go kys and uninstall CarmineXI: is he retad? CarmineXI: i feel like he's a retahd CarmineXI: you were in the base bitching about me and yas pushing top CarmineXI: no CarmineXI: you're bad CarmineXI: and you should feel bad CarmineXI: and play this til the end CarmineXI: report troll varus please

47 Comments

KarunamonDec 14, 20176 votes

And of course there's no rebuttal to this ban whatsoever, which is shite in and of itself. I've been here since season two and never been banned.

You told another player to kill themselves, twice, over a video game. That is not acceptable, and encouraging suicide is taken very seriously. Your ban was completely earned, your previous history of good behavior doesn't make this okay.

LostFr0stDec 14, 20172 votes

Hi Karunamon.^^ I've been abducting your flowchart (crediting you for it too of course). It helps me greatly when explaining the behaviour system. Thanks again for making it.

https://imgur.com/ACZhFYu from: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5nLVRHWG-a-quick-visual-guide-to-the-reporting-system

KarunamonDec 14, 20172 votes

[sg-ahri-2]

Glad it helped someone out :D

Here's a URL that might be a bit easier to remember: https://tkwa.re/leaguereporttiers

LostFr0stDec 14, 20171 votes

Seems to be helping those banned/punished greatly too.

Thanks a bunch for the new url^^

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

So I can get flamed and blamed, get called a %%%got, racial slurs etc, all which have happened in this game (not all in this match), but I tell someone to pop off and I get an insta-ban? In no way does that make sense! Sure, insults are generally on a sliding scale. Was what I said mean? Yeah. It was. I disagree, however, on the merit (or lack thereof) of a history of good conduct. Played for 5 years and never so much as a chat ban should absolutely count for something. Furthermore, these rules are not enforced with the scaling severity of the insults. I've been called racial slurs and a %%%got this week. Multiple mentions of my mother have also been made. Am I offended? Nah, not really. But if I'm gonna get banned over some cretin who must have bought his account because there's no way this Wood 5 trash could actually make 30, they should be punished as severely as the insults dictate. And they aren't. Summoner names included, because what game can actually say that "kys" is an insta-ban, but having the name muff diver is ok? Lastly, under the EULA, there is an age requirement. Does anybody read that thing? Nah. Would they ignore it if they did? Absolutely. They'd skip right over the age limit, too. Additionally, if you can't handle insults, you probably should not ever interact with the public, because people are shit. I love this game, I just hate everyone in it. Well, at least everyone I'm stuck in B4/5 with.

KarunamonDec 14, 20171 votes

To I can get flamed and blamed, get called a %%%got, racial slurs etc, all which have happened in this game (not all in this match), but I tell someone to pop off and I get an insta-ban? In no way does that make sense!

Well, yes, it makes perfect sense. You're still here making excuses for why you think telling people to kill themselves is okay. You're sitting here with a 2 week ban because of what you said, not because of what anyone else in the game did. You're responsible for your own behavior.

Lastly, under the EULA, there is an age requirement. Does anybody read that thing?

It's interesting you mention reading the EULA. Because there's this bit:

2.1.3. The Tribunal®. The Tribunal® system allows our community of users to police the compliance of other users with the “Summoner’s Code,” which outlines the principles of ideal game play behavior, as well as with our other policies. Community members, including you, may submit descriptions of activity and actions of certain users within the Game, and collectively determine if that particular user was in compliance with our policies. If The Tribunal determines, in its sole discretion, that you have violated one of our policies, we may suspend or terminate your account on behalf of the community.

2.2. What happens if my account is terminated? (No LoL for you.) If your account is terminated, you’ll no longer have access to it, including any of the associated data or content (e.g., champions, skins, Riot Points, etc.). You’ll not be entitled to any refunds and we’ll have no liability to you. We also reserve the right to terminate any other accounts you may have created, as well as your access to any other Riot Services (also without any refunds or liability to you). You understand and agree that using the Riot Services comes with the risk that your account may be terminated or suspended and that, whenever you use the Riot Services, you’ll bear this risk in mind and always conduct yourself appropriately.

I suggest you take the warning to heart, because the next time you recieve a punishment for anything, it will be a permanent ban. The next time someone starts trying to tilt you ingame, mute them, rather than flaming them.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Oh, I fully accept the consequences, both good and bad, of my behavior. And no, I'm not making excuses, I'm at this point arguing the progression of punishment.

No, I understand that. The wording is vague, just like every service agreement ever, to give the most control to the service provider. Digitally based services, like online gaming, fall into an area where there's little else other than "this is a dictatorship, and I'm Dick" mentality. Admittedly, I'd do the same thing if I ran a digital service provider, but all that segment of the contract state is that "we can do whatever, whenever, for whatever reason."

Not like I have much of a choice, now is it? lol I've obviously put in a lot of time and effort into my account (and probably a couple hundred dollars, I don't buy RP often). I suppose this rubs me the wrong way particularly because I'm not of a mindset that we need to save everyone from everything and the whole "safe space" mentality. To me, it fosters the same thinking as people letting their 10 year old child have a facebook account and then get mad when people post things that aren't age appropriate for said 10 year old child. I'll completely admit that I am not a nice person, but it seems like the punishment goes from a 1, 1.5, 3, to a solid 9. The escalation goes from minimal to damn in a heartbeat, like an exponential growth factor. 2, 4, 16, 256.

KarunamonDec 14, 20171 votes

I suppose this rubs me the wrong way particularly because I'm not of a mindset that we need to save everyone from everything and the whole "safe space" mentality.

As someone who finds that mentality extremely troublesome, I agree - but you'll notice that people have to do a lot more than mildly critique someone else's gameplay to start getting punished. Usually, it takes being lowkey assholish to people over a long period of time before even chat restricts start flying, but you tripped over one of the few exceptions.

Slurs and suicide encouragement will skip you straight to the edge of the cliff every time - with good reason. That kind of shit isn't welcome here, it pushes people away, and goes 100% against the atmosphere we're trying to cultivate.

The other thing you're not seeing is that this is the League of Legends, not Facebook, not DOTA where you're a сука блять, not CoD or CSGO where eight year olds talk about how they did your mom last night. There are those games, and many others, if you desire the lack of behavioral standards.

The idea here is to have a calm, sportsmanlike atmosphere, which means the standards for behavior are higher than they are elsewhere, even most other games. (Most games don't have anything even similar to the summoner's code)

I'll completely admit that I am not a nice person, but it seems like the punishment goes from a 1, 1.5, 3, to a solid 9.

Because telling other people to kill themselves is a pretty massive escalation from just telling them they're shit and trash at the game.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20172 votes

Fair points, all of them. The player basis down here just last season was enough to make me need to stop playing for a few days, and I can understand how we as a whole would want to move away from that. A lot of the people I've encountered on lower bronze tiers are or were just straight cancer.

No, I'm not at all against behavioral standards. Again, the escalation just seems uneven. It'd be no different than if I had told him to go have sex with himself, much in the way of I wouldn't expect him to take anything said and go "Well, if CarmineXI said so!" and looks around for lotion. If they /do/, then that shows much deeper and more significant issues that go well beyond gaming.

Honestly, I don't find the punishment itself over the top in and of itself, rather the sudden escalation. If what we're trying to achieve is a high standard of behavioral conduct, strict punishments are going to be required. Absolutely. But I do think that the player's history need to be considered and the "lower" severity punishments need to be escalated a bit, and I can't say I agree with an instant level 3 punishment, regardless of the wording, but that goes back to not believing in safe spaces. Make it strict, but keep it fair. I don't think that is really such a travesty. And the whole reason I posted this to begin with was because I didn't know anything about the instant lvl 3 escalation. As far as I can remember, and I say that bc there's always a possibility I could be wrong, I haven't gotten a chat ban and certainly not a play ban and never had an issue with the CoC. So my question was in earnest. I don't want you to misunderstand, thinking that I'm just being an asshole. Again.

KarunamonDec 14, 20171 votes

Hey guy, at least you're being reasonable here, which is more than can be said for 99% of "I got banned" posts on this board. For that, you deserve all the kudos. :)

Please please please though, make every effort to watch yourself going forward. Even tiny transgressions now will land you in permaban city.

ModThe DjinnDec 14, 20175 votes

Calling other players trash and calling them retarded, both of which you did in this log, will get you punished. Telling them to kill themselves will get you punished very aggressively, and you also did that in the form of the phrase "kys."

Encouraging self-harm earns an immediate 14-day ban. The rest is not helping your case either.

The Eden PrøjectDec 14, 20174 votes

I got hit with a 14 day ban because of this. I was in the same situation as you, never banned, never any punishment. Using the term "kys" skips punishments on infractions one and two (chat restrictions) and jumps straight to a level 3 infraction (14-day ban).

What I recommend is when you feel yourself getting frustrated, just push away from your desk take off your headset, take a deep breath and go get a drink. Come back and focus on the game only.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

I can't afford the amount of whisky and tequila it'd take for me to get a drink every time someone was an idiot in-game. [sg-miss-fortune]

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Fair point. What I said was not nice, this is absolutely true. So if the instant punishment for promoting self harm is a 14 day warning shot (because they kill you with the next one), can you help me understand why flaming your teammates for the entirety of a match takes literally 9 reports from that match, several times, before you get a chat ban? They have stats in the Pro Tips all day every day about how being a little twat statistically lowers your chances of winning, so why is the escalation in punishments so steep?

ModThe DjinnDec 14, 20171 votes

{quoted}...can you help me understand why flaming your teammates for the entirety of a match takes literally 9 reports from that match, several times, before you get a chat ban?

Simply put, it doesn't. A few games in a row is all it takes sometimes, and a single report per game is just as valuable as 9 reports. Just because you don't always get the alert the punishment is happening to someone doesn't mean they weren't punished.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

I definitely feel like that's inaccurate, based on what I've seen in the community over the last 5ish years, but I'll take your word for it.

FOR JUSTICEDec 13, 20174 votes

We can't determine why you escalated so fast without chat logs or reform cards Even if they are as colorful as you claim, we need you to post them to give accurate insight

Also edit out the name

Edit: Ah, ok now that i can see your logs, its because you dropped kys... Not once, but twice. The rest is mildly toxic, but those words would only be a chat restriction. Being that KYS is a zero tolerance phrase no matter the context, you will immediately escalate to 14 day, regardless of past actions and/or behavior.

PLEASE LET THIS BE A WARNING THOUGH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A 14 DAY, ANY FURTHER TOXICITY AFTER YOU GET OFF, NO MATTER HOW MILD, WILL GET YOU BANNED, SO I IMPLORE YOU JUST GO INTO GAMES AND IMMEDIATELY /MUTE ALL

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Yeah, sorry, took me a minute to figure out how to retrieve the chat log.

I'm mostly peeved because I never knew that this new policy was implemented (I've been without internet for a couple of months) and seems to be grossly maladjusted in terms of "no punishment for inappropriate summoner names, no punishment for flaming the whole damn game unless literally everyone in the match reports you multiple times, no punishment for insulting someone's mother and her sexual activity or possible occupation, no punishment for calling someone a %%%got, no punishment over racial slurs that aren't the N word, INSTABAN BC YOU TOLD SOMEONE TO POP OFF AND UNINSTALL!"

That said, I appreciate the info and will likely just inst-mute all of the cretins I play with (because I can't seem to succeed in my B3 promos, damning me to B-Hell).

alasarcherDec 14, 20174 votes

CarmineXI: you can go kys and uninstall

This is what got u banned.

The Ender CobraDec 14, 20173 votes

Nope I'm sorry Riot has a zero tolerance policy for two things N-word kys As far as I am aware those are the only two things that are instaban, no questions asked. Sorry bud

Imperial PandaaDec 14, 20174 votes

Hate speech in general not just the N-bomb

The Ender CobraDec 14, 20172 votes

Yes, but I've seen people get away with some kinds of hate speech if it's light. But in my experience, N-word and kys are always instant ban buttons.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Hell, when did the steep curve on that start? Because I've seen damn near all of it this week and ended up playing with/against the some people 2 matches later.

The Ender CobraDec 14, 20171 votes

Did you make sure to report them for hate speech?

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Honestly, I only report someone when it gets out of hand. I'm not easily offended, and everyone gets tilted down here, so I can understand how people can get a tad colorful.

Or trolling. I report trolling. Just because that shit gets me fuming when I'm trying to climb outta B4 so I can stop getting matched with B4/5 players and actually stand a chance to get outta bronze.

The Ender CobraDec 13, 20172 votes

Could you please show us your chat logs? Otherwise everyone will assume you are hiding them for a reason and you did deserve the ban. P.S. The boards don't like when you name your teammates/enemies.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Naming the individual was for the sole purpose of pointing out how obviously having the name "muff diver" is acceptable, but telling them to pop off is an insta-ban because this is a game where the age limit is 13 who are sensitive and innocent and fragile and must be protected and that's completely uncalled for no matter what.

nerak23Dec 14, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Naming the individual was for the sole purpose of pointing out how obviously having the name "muff diver" is acceptable, but telling them to pop off is an insta-ban because this is a game where the age limit is 13 who are sensitive and innocent and fragile and must be protected and that's completely uncalled for no matter what.

Dude did you just name the player again?

Or is m..f diver your idea of a good way to make a point?

Unacceptable in either context. I admit I'm confused.

Then you say that name again in a later post.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

The name was leet speak-ish for muff diver. Sorry for the confusion.

Sona PingDec 13, 20172 votes

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I got banned from play for 2 weeks today. Never been banned before or anything like that. Supposedly it was for toxicity, but the chat log they demonstrated was colorful, but not directed at anyone. "Wasn't going to let that !@#$ get away!" (team chat, not all chat) after getting first blood during a failed invade. "fuck it." after ganking several times for an adc that just stood and watched, etc. Didn't tell anyone to kts or diaf, so what gives? The adc in that game flamed me constantly because he was 2/9 (I'm B4. Not great, but I am trying.) and claimed I was stealing his CS. And of course there's no rebuttal to this ban whatsoever, which is shite in and of itself.

The name of the guy who reported me? mufdivah. Muff diver. For real?!

This insta-ban for 2 weeks doesn't seem to add up, considering I just got to lvl 5 honors.

Anyone have any insight?

I have some ideas. Post screenshots of your reform cards.

Scary DoorDec 14, 20172 votes

{quoted}

I got banned from play for 2 weeks today for toxicity. Never been banned before or anything like that. And of course there's no rebuttal to this ban whatsoever, which is shite in and of itself. I've been here since season two and never been banned.

The name of the guy who flamed all game and reported me? **-edited by moderation due to naming and shaming- **For real?!

This insta-ban for 2 weeks doesn't seem to add up, considering I just got to lvl 5 honors.

Anyone have any insight?

Game 1 CarmineXI: 2/6 varus is trash

Trash talking your teammates. Ask yourself, how does this help motivate people to win? How is this constructive? Do you think this is something that's going to make someone want to keep playing?

Right there I would have reported you, but let's keep on going anyway.

CarmineXI: 18 min in, i start pushin bot lane and that's why you're trash? ok

This further proves my point.

CarmineXI: kys

Telling someone to "kill yourself" is an automatic ban. No real need to go further than this... but since you asked, let's do it anyway..

CarmineXI: you can go kys and uninstall

Telling someone to kill themselves again and to uninstall the game. You seem like a super fun person to play with, very inspiring to your teammates!

CarmineXI: you're bad CarmineXI: and you should feel bad CarmineXI: and play this til the end CarmineXI: report troll varus please

Calling for reports on your teammates and harassing them just puts a bit of icing on the cake.

I'm legitimately curious as to how you didn't understand the reason for your ban. How can you not know that this is inappropriate behavior? Either you're totally naive and believe that you didn't do anything wrong---which is pretty frightening if you think about it---or you're just being obtuse and you know that this is wrong and just wanted to troll the Boards.

I actually hope it's the latter and not the former.

Bottom line: Ban is 100% deserved.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Well, since you wanted to be a sarcastic prick about it, you can just scroll down and read all that, because you're not worth expelling more than this sentence.

Scary DoorDec 14, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Well, since you wanted to be a sarcastic prick about it, you can just scroll down and read all that, because you're not worth expelling more than this sentence.

Wasn't sarcastic.

Not going to read the whole thread. You were toxic, you got banned, you deserved it.

You're still toxic here.

Get gone, stay gone, bye.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Not gone, not going anywhere, deal with it.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

FridgesArePpl2Dec 14, 20172 votes

Looks like you got a well-deserved ban. I wish it was longer though.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Report and block me, then.

FridgesArePpl2Dec 14, 20172 votes

asks why he gets banned

flames every person who responds to his post

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

There's a difference in flaming people and argumentative discussion and debate, snowflake.

FridgesArePpl2Dec 18, 20171 votes

{quoted}

There's a difference in flaming people and argumentative discussion and debate, snowflake.

and perhaps you'll be able to understand that difference when you're older

TheProfezzorDec 14, 20171 votes

If you don’t know from this chat log nothing anyone can say will help you. You deserve the ban.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Ah, so you're a believer in safe spaces, then? Welcome to the Internet. Have a look around.

TheProfezzorDec 14, 20171 votes

No not really as I've been chat banned multiple times before. But I know why, cause of the stuff I said, I didn't care though...at least at the time. My thought process was, I'm playing ranked to be competitive, if you're clearly not on the same level as me and you're feeding this will more than likely be a loss, meaning you are wasting my time, so I'll flame you, at least that will make me feel a little better about the situation. So I flamed away, and got bans here and there. At this point I've played for so long and seen so many of these feeders due to horrible riot match making I am over it PLUS I don't want my account banned.

That all being said, we know what we shouldn't say to others per RIOT's rules. So don't flame away, then come on the boards asking people to "enlighten" you on what you did wrong. You're dishing it out to people then when Riot dishes it to you, you are on here crying.

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

I wasn't flaming away. That was the entire chat log from the 38 minute game. And my question was in earnest. Hell, last season, the players in Bronze were straight cancer. I can't tell you how many times I saw The Slur That Shall Not Be Named, drink bleach, die in a fire, etc. And for some reason, out at my new house, I can't get Comcast to do their damn job. I've been without internet for a few months, so if there was some announcement, I missed it.

TheProfezzorDec 14, 20171 votes

Saying KYS, uninstall, and calling people trash is flaming...much like I’ve done except the KYS, never said that 1 before. I get it’s frustrating man, I do. Though you are to blame because these are your actions I partially blame Riot for their bogus matchmaking.

I don’t know all the rules and what not as I usually didn’t follow them myself. Moving forward just report people man and have a bit more chill attitude towards bads. Not saying don’t be competitive but sometimes you need to protect yourself from yourself. GL

CarmineXIDec 14, 20171 votes

Then I think our misalignment comes from what's considered flaming and what's not. I wouldn't say I was flaming hi, but I obviously wasn't nice, either. And yes, I'm under no illusion that I didn't say what was said.

I'm a bit of a hothead at times, for sure. lol. GLHF.

YerroFeverDec 15, 20171 votes

KYS is a zero tolerance word/phrase that gets you insta-14-day-banned for using it. It's considered harassment, very toxic, and absolutely unacceptable by Riot.

You also call your teammates trash and you try to hide calling someone a retard by spelling it retad and retahd. You're pretty toxic in chat even without using zero tolerance words...

TactrixDec 18, 20171 votes

Honor isn't based on how toxic you are, it will however reflect your toxicity if you get a strike against you like you did, "kys" is an automatic strike against you, and you were clearly toxic in this game, so there's no way you weren't gonna get dinged no matter what honor you are.