Have you ever encountered a toxic duo and then been banned while they run free?

Ðuxure·Jun 17, 2017·3 votes·682 views

I normally don't make posts on here but I think this one is worth a go.

I want you guys/girls to look at game 1 and tell me why I'm now permanently banned. Just for context: Lucian and Fiddle bot asked me who I was going to play in the lobby. Once I told them Master Yi, they banned him. Also I had him highlighted already. They seemed to get a kick out of it and during the game they acted as if it never happened, but at the same time they made sure to tell the enemy team to report me for "toxicity" as they were calling me and the Darius at top how "poison" we are. What does that even mean???

Anyway, after reporting them I was glad to see a popup that said "Player Banned". At first I thought it was a notification telling me that they had been instantly punished for their actions. "Wow no way the report system actually worked!!" I said to myself. Then I looked closer and realized I was the one who was banned. Permanently. For...complaining in the game chat about how my botlane intentionally griefed us?

Here is my op.gg, see last game played as Jax: https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=%C3%90uxure

Game 1 Ðuxure: ty Ðuxure: :p Ðuxure: ahri didnt follow rip xd Ðuxure: its ok Ðuxure: ^ Ðuxure: lucina inting Ðuxure: lol Ðuxure: i only said it because lucian and fiddle are really toxic xd Ðuxure: good thing they check what people say in the lobby when you report them now Ðuxure: let him push Ðuxure: ugh Ðuxure: blame the jungler Ðuxure: ^ Ðuxure: farm under tower Ðuxure: thats a reportable offense Ðuxure: lol his stun tho Ðuxure: ok Ðuxure: wow lucina is toxic Ðuxure: waowe Ðuxure: ^ Ðuxure: ahri stop talking so much and play Ðuxure: you complain too much Ðuxure: pls report fiddle for intentionally banning my champ in lobby btw, ty Ðuxure: you don't want them to end up on your team believe me. toxicity is no place for league Ðuxure: muted ahri Ðuxure: you complain too much Ðuxure: lol shutup Ðuxure: wish your team had banned your champ on purpose in champ select so you would know how it feels lol Ðuxure: ^ Ðuxure: this botlane is so toxic lol Ðuxure: they are duoed Ðuxure: just report them Ðuxure: ? Ðuxure: this lucian loves to complain while hes not carrying Ðuxure: come get red buff lucian Ðuxure: gj Ðuxure: imma be so happy to see the notification telling me lucian has been punished by the report system Ðuxure: speedy pantheon Ðuxure: you talking to ahri darius/ Ðuxure: ok Ðuxure: u were right Ðuxure: any other game with master yi i would have taken it in time Ðuxure: im used to him Ðuxure: splitting bot Ðuxure: lol Ðuxure: lol pantheon Ðuxure: u Ðuxure: fiddle doesnt know how to fear the pantch away from drag xd Ðuxure: nice Ðuxure: fiddle support op Ðuxure: 'bad call Ðuxure: lol lucian Ðuxure: ya Ðuxure: rip toxic lucian Ðuxure: duo botlane lol Ðuxure: 2 assholess in one Ðuxure: fiddle just got caught yet hes talking Ðuxure: lol Ðuxure: ahri shh Ðuxure: "hyper critical" Ðuxure: gj guys we can come back Ðuxure: lucian can you please stop being toxic??? Ðuxure: lol lucian Ðuxure: thats funny Ðuxure: good joke tho Ðuxure: fiddle over here taking my jungle cam Ðuxure: camps* Ðuxure: but then hes like "im not toxic" Ðuxure: sighhh Ðuxure: im glad we came across this botlane that we have Ðuxure: what a joy Ðuxure: and ur an idiot Ðuxure: for telling me im toxic when i got my champ banned by fiddle Ðuxure: honestly ya Ðuxure: check match history Ðuxure: gg wp Ðuxure: hope you guys never have to deal with our botlane on your team Game 2 Ðuxure: Anger, gives motivation, without purpose. Ðuxure: cass is sexy Ðuxure: without purpose Ðuxure: ty Ðuxure: lol Ðuxure: ok Ðuxure: /?? Ðuxure: top and jg in my jg Ðuxure: okj Ðuxure: sooooooooo bad Ðuxure: what are you a 5 man que? Ðuxure: ive never seen a solo que team work together so well Ðuxure: lucky matchmaking i guess Ðuxure: rip Ðuxure: lol lee Ðuxure: you tried Ðuxure: idiot Ðuxure: lol ur so bad trist Ðuxure: full health cant even help Ðuxure: idiot Ðuxure: hit the eye Ðuxure: retardd Ðuxure: ^ Ðuxure: lol darius Ðuxure: flashe Ðuxure: gj lee Ðuxure: my jungle is basically yours i guess Ðuxure: since you take every one of my camps Ðuxure: how out of the ordinary that matchmaking puts all the good players on the enemy team Ðuxure: hmm Ðuxure: go ahead Ðuxure: lol all i can do with this match Ðuxure: the way it was made was against me Ðuxure: lol Ðuxure: team so late lol Ðuxure: ^ Ðuxure: gg wp matchmaking

19 Comments

Blood LyricsJun 17, 20173 votes

{quoted} Game 1 Ðuxure: 2 assholess in one

Game 2 Ðuxure: retardd

Assuming you have had prior offenses, I'd hazard a guess that these are the specific lines in question that earned you your permanent ban. If, on the other hand, you have had no prior offenses, I'd be more than happy to vehemently argue on your behalf.

ÐuxureJun 17, 20173 votes

You're spot on, I've had previous chat bans. Mostly from the same situation. I just don't see how complaining in the chat about someone who is ruining your game makes me the candidate for a Permaban

I mean what is the point of hopping so quickly to a permanent removal of your account from the game you've invested so much time and effort into, when it isn't even my fault? Seems like the automatic ban system isn't working correctly. It can't sense context. It doesn't know that my own teammates have already trolled me in the pre-game lobby.

Blood LyricsJun 17, 20173 votes

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Your spot on, I've had previous chat bans. Mostly from the same situation. I just don't see how complaining in the chat about someone who is ruining your game makes me the candidate for a Permaban

I mean what is the point of hopping so quickly to a permanent removal of your account from the game you've invested so much time and effort into, when it isn't even my fault? Seems like the automatic ban system isn't working correctly. It can't sense context. It doesn't know that my own teammates have already trolled me in the pre-game lobby.

I assume calling someone a "[retard]" is defined as a very heavily punishable phrase. Jumping from a 25-game chat restriction to a permaban (skipping the 14-day ban) is not a huge leap in that scenario. Other things that will get you a similar jump are racial or homophobic slurs as well as telling someone to harm themselves. I personally disagree with the differing weights on punishments, but I'd be for either lessening all punishments or increasing all punishments with no particular bias as to which occurs.

ÐuxureJun 17, 20173 votes

I just wish that my Lucian and Fiddlesticks had been properly banned for their actions as well. Such as: Intentionally feeding, Intentionally banning teammates champ in pre-game lobby, and toxic behavior in chat.

People like that shouldn't be able to game the system and say very little in the chat to avoid getting banned.

Blood LyricsJun 17, 20173 votes

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I just wish that my Lucian and Fiddlesticks had been properly banned for their actions as well. Such as: Intentionally feeding, Intentionally banning teammates champ in pre-game lobby, and toxic behavior in chat.

People like that shouldn't be able to game the system and say very little in the chat to avoid getting banned.

They may have been, you really cannot be sure that they weren't.

Riot's system for banning is imperfect. Their detection methods for toxicity in chat is more thorough (despite getting several false positives) than their methods for detecting trolling/griefing/etc (because that's just more difficult). I agree it would be nice if they could improve the system, but that takes time, money, and effort - not things that a company generally wants to allocate towards things that do not help generate revenue.

ÐuxureJun 17, 20172 votes

Very true. I don't blame Riot, it's a business after all. I just wish they didn't unfairly ban provoked players because they don't have the time to properly look into what actually occurred.

Also, I don't see why they have a policy to "Never unsuspend accounts", but if their system is flawed, which it is, there is no reason to never unban anyone.

Blood LyricsJun 17, 20172 votes

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Very true. I don't blame Riot, it's a business after all. I just wish they didn't unfairly ban provoked players because they don't have the time to properly look into what actually occurred.

Also, I don't see why they have a policy to "Never unsuspend accounts", but if their system is flawed, which it is, there is no reason to never unban anyone.

Well, I would not immediately jump to the conclusion that they did not properly look into what occurred. Riot's policy is currently that they will punish someone who retaliates to toxicity with toxicity. This goes into the whole double standards regarding the blaming the victim argument. However, as it stands currently, your ban is according to their normal procedures. The justice within those procedures is up for debate but I don't really think they care (again, maximizing profits due to maximizing their target audience).

ÐuxureJun 17, 20173 votes

"Riot's policy is currently that they will punish someone who retaliates to toxicity with toxicity." That sums up the whole situation right there. Someone is trolling you? You better not complain, or we'll permaban you.

Also, I agree with you. I too believe that Riot doesn't care. I guess I was baited by all of their posts to the public claiming that they "want to be more open" and "want the best experience for our players".

Blood LyricsJun 17, 20173 votes

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Also, I agree with you. I too believe that Riot doesn't care. I guess I was baited by all of their posts to the public claiming that they "want to be more open" and "want the best experience for our players".

The thing is, you cannot really blame them. Riot is, in fact, a company that has the goal of making money. They provide a fun game for customers. The majority of customers are reasonably outraged at toxicity (of any sort) regardless of reason. Thus, Riot will also stick to procedures and guidelines that maximize the amount of customers that they can attain.

ÐuxureJun 17, 20173 votes

Well said.

VishanJun 17, 20174 votes

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"Riot's policy is currently that they will punish someone who retaliates to toxicity with toxicity." That sums up the whole situation right there. Someone is trolling you? You better not complain, or we'll permaban you.

Also, I agree with you. I too believe that Riot doesn't care. I guess I was baited by all of their posts to the public claiming that they "want to be more open" and "want the best experience for our players".

It's a cowardly way for them to police their game. Let trolls completely ruin your game, but don't you dare say a single word or you are the bad guy. This is the same vein of thinking where people get sued for fighting off muggers or people breaking into their house. Just let them take whatever they want, but don't you fight back!

ÐuxureJun 17, 20173 votes

Exactly.

archerno1Jun 17, 20171 votes

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I just wish that my Lucian and Fiddlesticks had been properly banned for their actions as well. Such as: Intentionally feeding, Intentionally banning teammates champ in pre-game lobby, and toxic behavior in chat.

People like that shouldn't be able to game the system and say very little in the chat to avoid getting banned.

Banning teammates champion is allowed. So your entire first game of threats and verbal abuse was based on your sheer ignorance. And none of them was intentionally feeding. They didnt break any rules. You did

EVG MikeJun 17, 20171 votes

Here is where I stopped reading. "Ðuxure: lucina inting" Enjoy the ban. Comments like this are absolutely the plague of this community, nothing helpful or supportive to your team about this. I can only assume the rest of your chat reads something like this. "Duxure: blah blah my team" "Duxure: blah blah report _" If you are like the 1% of players in my games, your chat probably starts off innocent, somebody dies, you start flaming and then it quickly devolves into you typing more than playing the game. Good riddance.

Blood LyricsJun 17, 20174 votes

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Here is where I stopped reading. "Ðuxure: lucina inting" Enjoy the ban. Comments like this are absolutely the plague of this community, nothing helpful or supportive to your team about this. I can only assume the rest of your chat reads something like this. "Duxure: blah blah my team" "Duxure: blah blah report _" If you are like the 1% of players in my games, your chat probably starts off innocent, somebody dies, you start flaming and then it quickly devolves into you typing more than playing the game. Good riddance.

Actually, that mindset that you have is just as bad if not worse.

If you didn't notice, he did not say these things while completely unprovoked. According to the OP, the Lucian and his duo got some sort of sick enjoyment out of banning the champion he intended to play after asking him what the champion would be.

The OP might be a perpetrator, but he's also a victim.

ÐuxureJun 17, 20173 votes

Thank you. I don't thing Mike read my post properly.

ÐuxureJun 17, 20173 votes

I knew some people would get triggered from little things that I said. But I think you forgot about the part where he was actually inting. Calling it out doesn't make his inting okay and my complaining was nothing compared to his offense.