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FinnTheAsteroid··1 votes·1,229 views

recently ive been on a hotstreak with my Vel'koz because i used to be a gold III support main on my main account. it was perma banned after long use due to riot not having clear cut instructions of what you can and cannot say due to the fact that they're "Chat Rules" are very loosely interpretated by every single person who gets to play this game. That being said i win about 2/3 games not really in order something like 3 wins 2 losses 5 more wins 3 losses or something like that. However ive played a few games recently where we won but because im playing a controverisial AP heavy Damage dealing vel'koz bot lane i usually get a lot of scrute over how i play and what my build is. that being said as well i wanna describe the 3 games then the problem im here for. game one started off well with my team going 6/0 about 8 minutes in and i ping to go dragon but jungle ignores me and walks to red. I knowing that i needed something to push the bot lane lead we had stole his blue and he instantly disconnected. I shook some kerosine coated salt on his tiny little firestarting head by laughing at him calling him a child and stealing his blue for the rest of the game. i played super well and so did he except the adc was his duo and started telling everyone i was toxic and to report me. this being AFTER they both died and admited to intentionally feeding in chat. but i got banned. next game. started off well again with what i believe was our first blood during a small invade. we continued to play well untill the enemy jungler started securing objective after objective our bot lane was losing and continued to feed even though he didnt need to just to get 1 kill. he would throw teamfights because he had no self control and didnt care. im not saying im innocent in these games because i definetly flamed them but thats not a punishable crime. you cant micromanage a game to that point because thats communication. generals in armies dont talk lightly to eachother in war zones and when you're playing a game that emulates that kind of high tension scenario it would be entrapment to say that being rude is unnaceptable because you also promote teamwork as and essential part of the game. You cant just flip and flop like the great donald between teams working together as the winning factor in most games then ban someone because they were salty a team member wasn't complying with the teams wishes. not to mention the fact that the player based tribunal isn't even up to the people who wrote these rules in the first place. a duo in the first game convinced the entire enemy team i was toxic just because i stole blues but him and his friend both died on purpose and admited to it while one went afk and came back after 2 minutes with no retribution. these are things that actually lose games but nothing is being done because everyone is too afraid to speak back becuase due to the VERY clear ban that i just got talking back to a troll is a permanently bannable experience. so without any consistancy to speak of these bans aren't for the player based community its for riot to ban as many account as they can so when someone like my THOUROGHLY enjoys playing this game i have to make a new account and spend a need 200$ buying the few champs i like to play and at least 1 decent skin for them. all the while i cant post this in a support ticket to get personal help because that one button out of all of the buttons in this website is broken every time anyone has a problem. Im demanding to talk to a support customer or so help me riot i will take my experience and share it with everyone until they understand how wrong you have it and i will take down this false accusation system currently in place along with all the designers who thought it would be okay to have such a silly thing. Even now all im demanding are reasonable explanation for rules widely thought to be flawed and i bet riot points that the league supervisors laugh it off while they block this thread but if that does happen i will take this to the next level.

11 Comments

FinnTheAsteroid1 votes

=/ i get in the mood and just can't stop myself. im passionate. like Flame princess.

Chermorg3 votes

I would love to see you post your chat logs.

Keep in mind that toxicity is never justifiable, and is always punishable. You do not get to flame/harass others just because you're unhappy with them.

FinnTheAsteroid1 votes

To tell anyone that toxicity is NEVER justifiable first riot has to put out what defines a Toxic action. Because what you're saying is that if someone gives my mid lane enemy 10 kills then goes afk im not alloud to tell him to fuck off. which is wrong. in the United states Prop 114 states that you cannot sue someone while commiting a crime. but what your saying is the opposite. that people who troll you and people who feed get to do so and i cant do anything about it because im wrong. the only argument you have is that people who go AFK get leaverbuster but thats a different system than the reporting system. and whats worse is that you can even fix these wrongs. the games will be over and that person who got trolled loses LP, Time, AND they had to sit through a headcase of a game. whats worse here is even in your comment you neglect to read the fact that these people admited to breaking the rules before and after they did so. so what you're saying Chermorg is "you dont get to flame/harass other EVEN though they tried to lose your game on purpose." you're completely avoiding the subject that this is about. The last thing ill point out is you're obviously poor word choicing for this action. Toxic means poison kid. the whole point of someone being toxic is so that they insite some mental injury without any other objective in place. just because a toxic person succeded in doing so by pissing somone off doesnt mean that they should be able to perma-ban someone's account that they have spent their hard earned money on.

P.S. im no sure how to post the chat logs but if you give me some help ill try. But this wont matter. the ban for being toxic isn't what im debating. im debating IF you should be banned for these specific incidents. like i said before defining a toxic person is what this is about. would you consider me toxic because a troll made me that way or are you just going to say that i was toxic the whole time because either way its up to interpretation and Rules that have loose ends like that shouldn't have an automated system in place like the permaban system currently.

Chermorg2 votes

Toxicity: Having a negative attitude, having abusive or harassing chat, insulting, belittling, demeaning others, etc.

You're comparing things to the US legal system. Riot is a private company. They laid out very clear in the Terms of Use and the Summoner's Code that being toxic is never okay.

You claim you got triggered - that's your own problem. Your lack of self control does not absolve you of responsibility for your actions.

FinnTheAsteroid1 votes

That defenition of toxicity isn't clear and doesn't have a premise. i could one person to stfu because of a bad play and they laugh becuase its funny or i could say that i think someone should have ulted the adc instead of the mid laner and that person takes it to heart and says that they felt personally attacked because you still haven't put perameters around what Negative is and a Base point to start from in the first place.

Yes using the us legal system is far-fetched but the comparison was clear and represented the current problem at hand. Comparing and contrasting is how you get empathy and sympathy which is the underlying cause for why someone would have a negative attitude in the first place. throwing out that very good and detailed point of view isn't okay because it establishes whats wrong with the current system and that it is infact wrong. Just because riot is a private company doesnt mean they get to do what they want either. the moment i prove that permabanning champs is a simple way to cash grab is against the law. AND to that point saying that "being toxic is NEVER okay" once again states out loud for all trolls that they can infact troll and if someone responds to them as a defence they gget to perma ban somone's account. what you're essentially telling the entire league community is to let it happen and that their is no defencive stance we can take.

i never claimed i got triggered because i have Real life PTSD from when my dog died in my arms. what i said is that IF it is someones goal in 5v5 game of ranked league of legends to piss off another player of their own team by feeding or going afk or just being blatently rude then it IS okay to flame them. they have since opened the door to their own injustice. which BTW is why i pointed out Prop 114. way to make your own argument fall apart sir. if you insist on commenting keep to the point. its not about me its about a circular system of logic that controls how people act instead of giving them a chance to express how the game SHOULD be played. have some self respect and make your own opinion.

Chermorg1 votes

It doesn't need to be clear. The second you put clear rules, the second people are bending them and skirting the edges.

If you are telling people to "shut the fuck up", that is unequivocally negative in nature. There is no context in which "shut the fuck up" is a positive thing to say.

Negativity is not subjective. Your behavior is your fault.

It is never okay to flame others. You do not just affect the person you're flaming - multiple innocent teammates and enemies have to sit there and watch you harass and abuse another player. You are not the police and you are not the judge - you don't get to enact your vigilante justice on others.

FinnTheAsteroid1 votes

WOH. so much wrong with that. FIRST the way people BEND rules is because they aren't clear. Having clear cut rules that weigh trolls down is how you stop them. not by just punishing everyone who breaks your interpritation of that rule. thats some Hitler stuff right there dude. like im not even saying that as an insult im saying that his ideas and yours as dictators with ultimate power match the same conculsions. moving on though telling someone to stfu is not unequivocally negative in nature. you're either not listening or dont care about the debate happening currently. when you take out all context from every situation you get kids like yourself. things dont just happen because they were always going to. someone could tell a sex joke and i could tell them to stfu while laughing because that joke just happen to be that funny. it happens literally all the time. and stop telling me its NEVER okay. it is okay to tell a troll to fuck off. because its not flame. its telling a troll to fuck off. if a guy came up to you and punched you in the face you would punch him back. that doesnt mean you deserve to go to jail or get your league account permanently banned it means that you acted in self defence. you're being a sheep Chermorg. im not dumb so you can stop repeating the same sentance over and over again. also its not Vigilante justice because there was no punishment to the other person. they are presumably still playing league right now. justice involves verdicts and votes. and you're not the police either. you dont get to decide what is and is not okay just because you wanna keep the piece. thats entrapment you hussie. and since you cant give an actual human response i think im probably not going to respond to you anymore unless you give a point of view you're not paid to give k thanks.

Chermorg1 votes

Let's say I make a rule that says the word "fuck" isn't okay. That's very clear, right?

But then you have people saying "well frick you" - it means the same thing, everyone knows they're saying fuck, but it wasn't against the rules. So you either have to have rules so long nobody reads them, or you have people bending the rules.

It is not okay to flame anyone. It does not matter who you are flaming, you are still flaming them. Your inability to accept this does not change that.

justice involves verdicts and votes

Yes, you were voted as toxic by multiple people who reported you over multiple games, and Riot issued a verdict of guilty and a permanent ban.

you dont get to decide what is and is not okay just because you wanna keep the piece. thats entrapment you hussie.

In fact Riot does get to decide what is okay and not to ensure League stays a good environment, and it doesn't relate to entrapment at all. Entrapment is when someone of authority uses said authority to coax/force you to break rules. Nobody forced you to do anything. You chose to flame, thinking you could justify it. Flaming is NEVER allowed in League. NEVER. Regardless of how many times you tell me it's okay, that does not change the fact that the vast majority of the community (well over 90%) think it's never okay.

Feeder Tim2 votes

Velkoz

FinnTheAsteroid1 votes

Worse over they make you click a button that says "i understand" as if you're admitting that you did something wrong even though your account is banned. Classic "kick em while they're down" tactic.

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