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Player penalties are immoral and completely unfair

BlindPizzaGuy··1 votes·1,179 views

Good afternoon everyone,

1st of all this is long. I don't frequent the forums at all, but I am sure many of these type posts have been made. Some good , some bad. Currently, I am suspended for 14 games. I previously have had 2 accounts perma banned that I spent a decent amount of money on. Below I have quoted the exact text that got me suspended with comments. I may be an ass sometimes, but never have I ever said hate speech(racist, homophobic, ect). Never have I said someone should walk into traffic or kill themselves, which many have said to me. I curse and I get frustrated, but I always pertain it to the game.

I find it sickening at what is considered "toxic" in this game. Never-mind the person that will not speak in champ select and troll picks, or goes 0-7 in the first 10 min. The person that goes afk 3 times in a match but always comes back just in time to avoid penalty. Let's not even bring up how bad it was before people got to choose their role. Never-mind the people the ACTUALLY ruin games. They can do that all they want, with 0 penalty. But, don't you dare say a word about it. And don't you dare tell someone they suck because they are ruining a game or feeding. What's worse is that I was suspended less that 5 min after a game. Who is reviewing this? A pre-made of 4 could troll and just report people and get accounts people spent money on banned? That isn't right.

When I started this game, Shen was the new champ. Not sure how close to beta that was. Not once have I ever seen Riot make a point to separate Ranked from Normal. Ranked is supposed to be competitive, Look at any competitive sport in the world, and tell me emotions don't run high. I'm sorry, but if can't handle few curse words then GTFO and play normal. It's horrible that Riot still caters to this passive aggressive bullshit and in effect steals, yes STEALS, money from people over it. Riot, haven't you make your Gazillions already? Can't you actually make ranked a skill based competition? Stop catering to these children so you can make an extra buck and rob the real players out there.

And no, going through support isn't the best route. I tried that multiple times and all you get is a copy and paste bullshit suit and tie answer. NOTHING I said deserves a suspension. Anyways, as I said, here is the game chat logs that got me suspended this time. Judge for yourself if should be able to play for 2 weeks:

Game 1 BlindPizzaGuy: if u guys lose this u should feel really bad BlindPizzaGuy: we have 3adcs and an ekko support BlindPizzaGuy: they are morons --This speaks for itself BlindPizzaGuy: im silver -- The other team said " Welcome to Bronze" BlindPizzaGuy: no need for a corki mid honestly BlindPizzaGuy: in b5 maybe BlindPizzaGuy: free kill top - Top lane was pushed and I was telling jungle to come get a kill BlindPizzaGuy: guess u didnt want it -- I killed him without a gank BlindPizzaGuy: o u bastard lol - I got ganked and died BlindPizzaGuy: naw i almost kille d them both kayle s lt - Jungle asked if I needed help top- BlindPizzaGuy: shit BlindPizzaGuy: why BlindPizzaGuy: wow man really - Clearly blatent KS
BlindPizzaGuy: terrible idea BlindPizzaGuy: always get tower 1st -JG pinged me off tower for Rift Herald. OTher team stole it and killed us both BlindPizzaGuy: always BlindPizzaGuy: me BlindPizzaGuy: man BlindPizzaGuy: i pinged u to dragon -Jg came and died for no reason Top BlindPizzaGuy: just stay bot plz BlindPizzaGuy: u fkd my lane - He really did BlindPizzaGuy: wish we had a tank BlindPizzaGuy: no im not lol BlindPizzaGuy: your build doesnt make u a tank lmao
BlindPizzaGuy: man twitch plz stay fknbot
BlindPizzaGuy: i was winning my lane so hard BlindPizzaGuy: because u fed him BlindPizzaGuy: yes BlindPizzaGuy: at rift hearald BlindPizzaGuy: and 2 times after BlindPizzaGuy: where is my help jesus - Got a double kill and the other 3 came. ADC and Support for farming bot right there BlindPizzaGuy: wow hes fed BlindPizzaGuy: dont split lke that - ADC and Support split to chase different champs. Both died. BlindPizzaGuy: or do BlindPizzaGuy: no because we have no tank - Again, 3 adcs and a support ekko BlindPizzaGuy: grouping at 21 min is a noob move - Jungle is complaining that we won't "ALL MID" BlindPizzaGuy: stop them BlindPizzaGuy: yeah im the noob -was called a noob BlindPizzaGuy: thats it BlindPizzaGuy: thats what i said all game BlindPizzaGuy: because its your fault BlindPizzaGuy: sure is correct BlindPizzaGuy: wake up BlindPizzaGuy: 2/6 BlindPizzaGuy: we cant be everywhere do somethig -Mid and I got a tower and was being pinged to 2 other towers that they couldn't defend BlindPizzaGuy: help vayne BlindPizzaGuy: hoes that ekko support workinng out for you? - OK, I was being an ass BlindPizzaGuy: umm im the only one not negative are u blind - Everyone on my team was negative but me, but I was being called a noob by 3 of them(Mid was cool) BlindPizzaGuy: and most kills BlindPizzaGuy: no im just telling u the truth BlindPizzaGuy: u r toxic by not picking for the team BlindPizzaGuy: u were gonna pick twitch no matter what -Insta lock twitch jg even though we pleaded him to pick a tank BlindPizzaGuy: thats toxic BlindPizzaGuy: look where twitch is - he was farming the other team's jungle while they got 2 inhibs BlindPizzaGuy: reported BlindPizzaGuy: refusing to help team BlindPizzaGuy: i want to keep my base yes BlindPizzaGuy: kid... lol - was called a noob kid BlindPizzaGuy: 3/7 BlindPizzaGuy: oooo BlindPizzaGuy: i have 5 BlindPizzaGuy: and 2 of your kills were str8 ks of mine - this is true BlindPizzaGuy: u even said sorry BlindPizzaGuy: so really 1/7 BlindPizzaGuy: good thing u all went back instead of helping - About tilted at this point BlindPizzaGuy: ..... BlindPizzaGuy: it was 2 of them BlindPizzaGuy: we had 5 BlindPizzaGuy: but 3 of u went back BlindPizzaGuy: u were stunned wtf BlindPizzaGuy: plz report twitch ty

Game 2 (NOTE!, WE WON THIS GAME) BlindPizzaGuy: 3 ignites lol -other team had 3 ignotes BlindPizzaGuy: wow they were wuick to get there -quick* BlindPizzaGuy: its fine BlindPizzaGuy: sigh BlindPizzaGuy: ty BlindPizzaGuy: gj BlindPizzaGuy: nice k/d BlindPizzaGuy: it is for your adc BlindPizzaGuy: where was the ult b4 i was taunted? BlindPizzaGuy: do u not get love at home? - The Thresh and ADC on the other team were just dogging everyone BlindPizzaGuy: must be hard to type with each others cocks in your mouths - Yeah well, they deserved it BlindPizzaGuy: yep BlindPizzaGuy: no u just roamed around too long - No need to comment further, nothing I said deserved a suspension BlindPizzaGuy: u roamed b4 that BlindPizzaGuy: ok 2/10 BlindPizzaGuy: my bad BlindPizzaGuy: and 2/7 BlindPizzaGuy: you roamed from the start thats why i pinged BlindPizzaGuy: it has to do with your decsion making BlindPizzaGuy: yeah ok BlindPizzaGuy: try landing an ult
BlindPizzaGuy: i cant with a feeding support BlindPizzaGuy: another missed ult BlindPizzaGuy: u never ult just 1 person BlindPizzaGuy: then dont ult BlindPizzaGuy: god u r bronze BlindPizzaGuy: i am BlindPizzaGuy: well shit misclicked hard BlindPizzaGuy: u really think i meant to flash into her q? BlindPizzaGuy: ok BlindPizzaGuy: no she did not BlindPizzaGuy: im 7/7 BlindPizzaGuy: look at the team other than anivia BlindPizzaGuy: i want a decent support BlindPizzaGuy: i guess math isnt your strongpint BlindPizzaGuy: 4/10 BlindPizzaGuy: oh i was top too BlindPizzaGuy: what does that have to do with feeding BlindPizzaGuy: go play tetris BlindPizzaGuy: ummno BlindPizzaGuy: but way to take way further than it had to BlindPizzaGuy: yeah ok BlindPizzaGuy: my attitude is that u suck BlindPizzaGuy: sry that its true and u dont like it BlindPizzaGuy: i didnt come after u personally BlindPizzaGuy: yeahhh and u say i beat women - Oh yeah, I was called a woman beater. I BET this guy isn't suspended. BlindPizzaGuy: reported BlindPizzaGuy: but i didnt do bad BlindPizzaGuy: because i was 1 v 2

43 Comments

AeroWaffle9 votes

Okay, several things.

  1. Any amount of time gone from the game counts towards the leavebuster penalty, and the system is more intelligent than you think. Merely coming back and wiggling a little bit doesn't stop the system from detecting you. Just because they didn't get punished this one time doesn't mean that they would never get punished. It's much more likely that they haven't built up enough afk/dc time for it to flag them.

  2. That pre-made of 4 trolling a person still relies on you snapping and venting your anger in chat. It's still completely in your control to avoid getting banned. You're in control of your own actions in chat. And people do get banned for trolling, it just doesn't happen as often since the system want to make sure that it never bans someone for simply playing really bad unintentionally. Report them if they troll, don't bother bringing it to chat since it's not going to help.

  3. If you can't handle being civil in chat then Riot will tell you to GTFO. Yes, I know you want to vent your anger on other players, but this is not allowed. Yell at your screen or something instead.

  4. Riot is not stealing from you. Your account is not yours, it's Riot's. They agree to let you continue using it so long as you continue to abide by their rules. This is the case for all online games.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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Okay, several things.

  1. Any amount of time gone from the game counts towards the leavebuster penalty, and the system is more intelligent than you think. Merely coming back and wiggling a little bit doesn't stop the system from detecting you. Just because they didn't get punished this one time doesn't mean that they would never get punished. It's much more likely that they haven't built up enough afk/dc time for it to flag them.

  2. That pre-made of 4 trolling a person still relies on you snapping and venting your anger in chat. It's still completely in your control to avoid getting banned. You're in control of your own actions in chat. And people do get banned for trolling, it just doesn't happen as often since the system want to make sure that it never bans someone for simply playing really bad unintentionally. Report them if they troll, don't bother bringing it to chat since it's not going to help.

  3. If you can't handle being civil in chat then Riot will tell you to GTFO. Yes, I know you want to vent your anger on other players, but this is not allowed. Yell at your screen or something instead.

  4. Riot is not stealing from you. Your account is not yours, it's Riot's. They agree to let you continue using it so long as you continue to abide by their rules. This is the case for all online games.

1- BULLLLLLLLSHIT- keep believe what is shoved down your throat.

2- Wrong. IF a premade of decided they would report any 5th they play with, then that completely eliminates your arguement(Trolls happen)

3- I've been called a"kid" already 3 or 4 times in this thread, yet I'm the problem.

4- That is horseshit, a legal technicality.

ModPrandine8 votes

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1- BULLLLLLLLSHIT- keep believe what is shoved down your throat.

From the Leaverbuster FAQ:

WHAT IS LEAVERBUSTER? LeaverBuster is a system we have implemented in order to discourage Summoners from repeatedly leaving matches and/or idling during gameplay. Summoners who exhibit this behavior and have a trend of leaving/idling in games will be placed in a low priority queue

Emphasis mine.

2- Wrong. IF a premade of decided they would report any 5th they play with, then that completely eliminates your arguement(Trolls happen)

Yes trolls happen, but the system is designed so that a pre-made group can't report you and instantly get you punished on the spot. From Riot Tantram:

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

Simply put if you know that you've done nothing wrong then you don't have to worry about being punished for something that you didn't do in that game. On the flip-side though if you know that you've been acting up in that game and a pre-made decides to report you for it then you will be punished solely because of your actions alone in that game rather than because of the pre-made reporting you.

3- I've been called a"kid" already 3 or 4 times in this thread, yet I'm the problem.

If someone else has a harassment filled post then report it. Don't add onto the negativity by becoming negative yourself. Just like in-game retaliation is not okay on the forums, and if you retaliate then you both get punished period.

4- That is horseshit, a legal technicality.

This is Riot's house and Riot's rules. If you refuse to follow their rules then they reserve the right to kick you out of their house. It's the same with any other gaming company where if you don't or won't follow their rules then they can just kick you out of their game because of it. Be thankful that Riot even gives people the chance to try to Reform first rather than just immediately booting them from the game outright like most other companies do.

P.S. Here are two examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just two examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

P.S. Here are two examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just two examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

IF you even just look at the 1st of these examples the guy posted video of the games the email he received said he was being banned for. Not once in the videos( I watched them) does the infractions he was banned for even take place.

ModPrandine1 votes

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IF you even just look at the 1st of these examples the guy posted video of the games the email he received said he was being banned for. Not once in the videos( I watched them) does the infractions he was banned for even take place.

If you read the Riot response to it then you'd know that the Rioter never specifically stated any individual games in particular and the Rioter's question as to why the video poster chose those specific games never got answered either.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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If you read the Riot response to it then you'd know that the Rioter never specifically stated any individual games in particular and the Rioter's question as to why the video poster chose those specific games never got answered either.

Sigh.....Please you some intuition. The email given to you by Riot when they notify you TELLS you which games you were reported on. The player even notes this. The Rioter said that HE didn't didn't mention certain games, which is irrelevant.

Zezockary8 votes

"Never-mind the people the ACTUALLY ruin games. They can do that all they want, with 0 penalty."

They get penalized, you just don't see it because it isn't happening to you. Riot doesn't send you a message every time they punish someone else, just when you do.

"Never-mind the person that will not speak in champ select and troll picks, or goes 0-7 in the first 10 min."

Maybe they are just bad? Losing your lane against a much more skilled opponent isn't against the rules.

"The person that goes afk 3 times in a match but always comes back just in time to avoid penalty."

They will get punished if they are reported for it a few times. Most people don't report for that though for whatever reason.

"But, don't you dare say a word about it. And don't you dare tell someone they suck because they are ruining a game or feeding."

Well, harassing people is against the rules. So yeah, don't do that. You can recommend a better way of doing things in a positive way, but the way you just described it is just harassment.

"What's worse is that I was suspended less that 5 min after a game. Who is reviewing this?"

An automated system that reviews games based on past detailed reports that tell what people do and don't consider toxic, within reason. Riot doesn't explain exactly how it works for security reasons, but I would imagine that riot employees gather info based on what people say in the reports, then update the system to look for it.

"A pre-made of 4 could troll and just report people and get accounts people spent money on banned? That isn't right."

It counts games you were reported in, not how many times you were reported. So like, 20 reports across 5 games is five games you were reported in, not twenty times you were reported. Also if they are falsely reporting you then their report weight will drop and their reports will mean less to the system.

"Look at any competitive sport in the world, and tell me emotions don't run high."

Emotions definitely run high, that is why they have rules and ways to enforce them in those too. http://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/fines-appeals/

That is a link to the NFL's page for fines and appeals against them. Scroll down to the sportsmanship section. Taunting your opponent is a $9,000 fine minimum, excessive profanity is $12,000.

"I'm sorry, but if can't handle few curse words then GTFO and play normal."

You aren't being banned because we are offended or cant handle curse words. I have used them before in game and otherwise and never been punished. You are being banned because nobody wants to play with you, and riot feels you are a big enough detriment and lack commitment to reforming from your behavior in any aspect that they want you to take your business elsewhere.

"It's horrible that Riot still caters to this passive aggressive bullshit and in effect steals, yes STEALS, money from people over it."

Read the terms of service you agreed to. You agreed that you could be banned with no reimbursement. You also agreed that you could be banned if, according to section 2.1.2 subsection (c), "doing so would be in the best interests of our community, the Riot Services, or the rights of a third party." I am not speaking for Riot games 100%, but if I had to guess in court they would go with that one.

"Stop catering to these children so you can make an extra buck and rob the real players out there."

The only reason they are making any extra money off of you is because you come back and give it to them. Why not just go skinless?

"And no, going through support isn't the best route. I tried that multiple times and all you get is a copy and paste bullshit suit and tie answer."

I bet that "copy and paste bullshit" covered your question in full if you took the time to read it without being upset that they aren't just unbanning you. I could be wrong, people have made mistakes and misclicked the copy button before.

Sorry if this seems conceited, I do not usually pick apart posts like this. There were just so many different topics that I wanted to discuss that I had to separate them. Really I have seen posts about all of these individually but never so many together like this XD

If I go on and talk too much about your chat logs this post will be really long, but basically you aren't overly offensive from a racist stand point or anything, you are just consistently negative and you feel the need to harshly criticize everything you see. It isn't your job and it is really annoying and tilting. If you said everything you said in a more positive and constructive way, like giving a solution instead of just the problem, then you would probably never even be reported.

Good luck in the future if you continue to play, and keep in mind that your next punishment will be a permanent ban on this account unless you go a considerable length of time showing signs of reforming. That will lower your tier of punishment.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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"Never-mind the people the ACTUALLY ruin games. They can do that all they want, with 0 penalty."

They get penalized, you just don't see it because it isn't happening to you. Riot doesn't send you a message every time they punish someone else, just when you do.

"Never-mind the person that will not speak in champ select and troll picks, or goes 0-7 in the first 10 min."

Maybe they are just bad? Losing your lane against a much more skilled opponent isn't against the rules.

"The person that goes afk 3 times in a match but always comes back just in time to avoid penalty."

They will get punished if they are reported for it a few times. Most people don't report for that though for whatever reason.

"But, don't you dare say a word about it. And don't you dare tell someone they suck because they are ruining a game or feeding."

Well, harassing people is against the rules. So yeah, don't do that. You can recommend a better way of doing things in a positive way, but the way you just described it is just harassment.

"What's worse is that I was suspended less that 5 min after a game. Who is reviewing this?"

An automated system that reviews games based on past detailed reports that tell what people do and don't consider toxic, within reason. Riot doesn't explain exactly how it works for security reasons, but I would imagine that riot employees gather info based on what people say in the reports, then update the system to look for it.

"A pre-made of 4 could troll and just report people and get accounts people spent money on banned? That isn't right."

It counts games you were reported in, not how many times you were reported. So like, 20 reports across 5 games is five games you were reported in, not twenty times you were reported. Also if they are falsely reporting you then their report weight will drop and their reports will mean less to the system.

"Look at any competitive sport in the world, and tell me emotions don't run high."

Emotions definitely run high, that is why they have rules and ways to enforce them in those too. http://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/fines-appeals/

That is a link to the NFL's page for fines and appeals against them. Scroll down to the sportsmanship section. Taunting your opponent is a $9,000 fine minimum, excessive profanity is $12,000.

"I'm sorry, but if can't handle few curse words then GTFO and play normal."

You aren't being banned because we are offended or cant handle curse words. I have used them before in game and otherwise and never been punished. You are being banned because nobody wants to play with you, and riot feels you are a big enough detriment and lack commitment to reforming from your behavior in any aspect that they want you to take your business elsewhere.

"It's horrible that Riot still caters to this passive aggressive bullshit and in effect steals, yes STEALS, money from people over it."

Read the terms of service you agreed to. You agreed that you could be banned with no reimbursement. You also agreed that you could be banned if, according to section 2.1.2 subsection (c), "doing so would be in the best interests of our community, the Riot Services, or the rights of a third party." I am not speaking for Riot games 100%, but if I had to guess in court they would go with that one.

"Stop catering to these children so you can make an extra buck and rob the real players out there."

The only reason they are making any extra money off of you is because you come back and give it to them. Why not just go skinless?

"And no, going through support isn't the best route. I tried that multiple times and all you get is a copy and paste bullshit suit and tie answer."

I bet that "copy and paste bullshit" covered your question in full if you took the time to read it without being upset that they aren't just unbanning you. I could be wrong, people have made mistakes and misclicked the copy button before.

Sorry if this seems conceited, I do not usually pick apart posts like this. There were just so many different topics that I wanted to discuss that I had to separate them. Really I have seen posts about all of these individually but never so many together like this XD

If I go on and talk too much about your chat logs this post will be really long, but basically you aren't overly offensive from a racist stand point or anything, you are just consistently negative and you feel the need to harshly criticize everything you see. It isn't your job and it is really annoying and tilting. If you said everything you said in a more positive and constructive way, like giving a solution instead of just the problem, then you would probably never even be reported.

Good luck in the future if you continue to play, and keep in mind that your next punishment will be a permanent ban on this account unless you go a considerable length of time showing signs of reforming. That will lower your tier of punishment.

This is the 1st decent response in the entire thread. Someone made his point without being a dick, or giving an answer that makes no sense. Zezo, I do not disagree with you on many of these, but overall I strongly still just do not feel that my actions warrant the penalty that I received. Another example of this would be not receiving rewards after completing the chat restriction games. I do disagree when you say no one wants to play with me, I have a group of people that I play with regularly and we lose game all the time. I never get angry with them because they aren't trolling or feeding.

I also still feel that the real issues of the community are not being dealt with properly. It is a fact as I said before this game is WIDELY considered to have the worst community in gaming, and I blames this exclusively on the player report system and how it works, and the lack of banning trolls over trash talkers.

Zezockary1 votes

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This is the 1st decent response in the entire thread. Someone made his point without being a dick, or giving an answer that makes no sense. Zezo, I do not disagree with you on many of these, but overall I strongly still just do not feel that my actions warrant the penalty that I received. Another example of this would be not receiving rewards after completing the chat restriction games. I do disagree when you say no one wants to play with me, I have a group of people that I play with regularly and we lose game all the time. I never get angry with them because they aren't trolling or feeding.

I also still feel that the real issues of the community are not being dealt with properly. It is a fact as I said before this game is WIDELY considered to have the worst community in gaming, and I blames this exclusively on the player report system and how it works, and the lack of banning trolls over trash talkers.

The punishment system works in tiers. Before your 2 week ban you should have gotten a 10 game chat restriction, and then a 25 game chat restriction. It isn't usually based on severity unless it is very severe, which will skip you tiers. Basically you are being punished for consistency, you type too much and too harshly on too many things.

Riot has been pretty transparent about the loot rewards being a reward for good gameplay AND good behavior since the start, not Lyte levels of transparent but the info has been out there.

I didn't literally mean nobody wants to play with you, I played the comment up a bit to try to show the dramatic difference between what you think Riot thinks is wrong with your behavior and what they actually think is wrong. Of course there are people out there who will play with you, you don't seem like a bad person to people who you know and can have extended discussions with. Your issue is interacting with the various people you haven't been able to establish a connection with. You don't know them so you fill in the gaps with assumptions that they are bad. Then every time something bad happens you tell them without offering a solution. This makes the other person feel trapped and nervous, which makes them lose concentration and play worse, which further decreases your opinion of them. This cycles out of control until you lose the game and assume that because their score is bad that they were intentionally feeding or just not listening to you.

The reason why league is considered so toxic is because of a few reasons. It was the first really really massive game that required good communication and large time investments to play, along with being slow paced enough to make chat a big deal. So you have investment, random people put together, stress, and publicity.

On top of that Riot has made large, transparent steps toward reducing the toxicity. A lot of what they have done has worked from a statistical standpoint, but the fact that they have done it for so long so openly makes people think the issue is bigger than it is.

scazzman2 votes

its games not days

Zezockary1 votes

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its games not days

You are right, I was editing that sentence from something else and forgot to fix it XD

Thank you for pointing that out for me.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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The punishment system works in tiers. Before your 2 week ban you should have gotten a 10 game chat restriction, and then a 25 game chat restriction. It isn't usually based on severity unless it is very severe, which will skip you tiers. Basically you are being punished for consistency, you type too much and too harshly on too many things.

The reason why league is considered so toxic is because of a few reasons. It was the first really really massive game that required good communication and large time investments to play, along with being slow paced enough to make chat a big deal. So you have investment, random people put together, stress, and publicity.

Thanks for the reply. I only got 1 chat restriction and it was QUITE a while ago. This game isn't massive at all, it just has a lot of players, or even close to the 1st. DoTA, WoW, SWG, DAoC, EQ, EQ2, Eve, hell even games like L4D, ect ect ect. That is the main thing I disagree with you on. Not a single one of these games catered to "feelings" the way this game does, and SWG and DAoC had insanely good communities.

No sir, this game is toxic because people cry if someone tells them something they don't like and Riot is their biggest defender. Saying "Fucking feeder, you suck", being considered as harassment is laughable and sad. I just want to tell people to grow a pair. There is a mute button for a reason. Use it. Don't penalize me if someone doesn't.

AeroWaffle1 votes

Erm.

I'm pretty positive that League currently has the largest player base out of all games out currently.

Here, found an actual number; 100 million players actively playing each month.

Meanwhile, DOTA2, one of Riot's primary competitors in the same genre, recently released that they had 13Million monthly players.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/09/14/league-of-legends-surpasses-100-million-monthly-active-players

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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Erm.

I'm pretty positive that League currently has the largest player base out of all games out currently.

Here, found an actual number; 100 million players actively playing each month.

Meanwhile, DOTA2, one of Riot's primary competitors in the same genre, recently released that they had 13Million monthly players.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/09/14/league-of-legends-surpasses-100-million-monthly-active-players

My lord, massive has 0 to do with the size of the player base.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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My lord, massive has 0 to do with the size of the player base. Might as well call D3 a MMO too while you're at it.

Zezockary1 votes

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My lord, massive has 0 to do with the size of the player base.

I realize that wikipedia isn't the greatest source to cite, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game

A massively multiplayer online game (MMOG or MMO) is an online game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously in the same instance (or world).

Its a massively multiplayer game, not a multiplayer game with a massive map.

BTW I am going to bed soon, if there is anything important unresolved I will get around to replying to it on my breaks at work or something.

Awkward Couch3 votes

This game isn't massive at all, it just has a lot of players, or even close to the 1st. DoTA, WoW, SWG, DAoC, EQ, EQ2, Eve, hell even games like L4D, ect ect ect.

Actual statistics beg to differ.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251222/most-played-pc-games/

https://nowloading.co/posts/3916216

http://www.sportsgoogly.com/most-popular-online-games/

This isn't just the number of players, but actual time spent playing this game.

Not a single one of these games catered to "feelings" the way this game does, and SWG and DAoC had insanely good communities.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, especially when it comes to Blizzard. In Overwatch, there is actually a reporting option for harassment, similar to what League has. I also know that people can be kicked out of Guilds in WOW and I've even seen some people banned from WOW permanently (for extreme homophobia).

No sir, this game is toxic because people cry if someone tells them something they don't like and Riot is their biggest defender.

Back when League was first created, it was held, and rightfully so, as the most toxic game on the internet. Since the Automated Ban System came online, I've noticed a dramatic decrease in toxicity. But because it has a reputation, anytime someone is toxic in a game, that "reaffirms" their preconceived notion about League being toxic. I've been playing league for over 5 years at this point, and I've had more toxic experiences in CSGO than I ever have in LOL. But because you perceive League to be a toxic environment, you're going to assume that's what everyone else is thinking.

Saying "Fucking feeder, you suck", being considered as harassment is laughable and sad.

Please enlighten me, what good is saying that to your teammate? What are you actually hoping to accomplish? Because, it seems to me, that you can't control your anger. If you play any sports in real life, would you say something like that to your teammate? Because that's what happened between TO and McNabb, and TO got removed from the team.

There is a mute button for a reason. Use it. Don't penalize me if someone doesn't.

Just because there is a mute button, doesn't give you the right to be an asshole. Just because there is a mute button, doesn't mean you're free of the consequences that you know are coming if you continue to be toxic. And just like there's a mute button, there's also a report button, and using both aren't mutually exclusive.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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Actual statistics beg to differ.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251222/most-played-pc-games/

https://nowloading.co/posts/3916216

http://www.sportsgoogly.com/most-popular-online-games/

This isn't just the number of players, but actual time spent playing this game.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, especially when it comes to Blizzard. In Overwatch, there is actually a reporting option for harassment, similar to what League has. I also know that people can be kicked out of Guilds in WOW and I've even seen some people banned from WOW permanently (for extreme homophobia).

Back when League was first created, it was held, and rightfully so, as the most toxic game on the internet. Since the Automated Ban System came online, I've noticed a dramatic decrease in toxicity. But because it has a reputation, anytime someone is toxic in a game, that "reaffirms" their preconceived notion about League being toxic. I've been playing league for over 5 years at this point, and I've had more toxic experiences in CSGO than I ever have in LOL. But because you perceive League to be a toxic environment, you're going to assume that's what everyone else is thinking.

Please enlighten me, what good is saying that to your teammate? What are you actually hoping to accomplish? Because, it seems to me, that you can't control your anger. If you play any sports in real life, would you say something like that to your teammate? Because that's what happened between TO and McNabb, and TO got removed from the team.

Just because there is a mute button, doesn't give you the right to be an asshole. Just because there is a mute button, doesn't mean you're free of the consequences that you know are coming if you continue to be toxic. And just like there's a mute button, there's also a report button, and using both aren't mutually exclusive.

A game being having the most people has nothing to do with being massive. Massive in a MMO refers to the size of the game world, and how many players can be in the same game world at the same time. You wouldn't consider Call of Duty a MMO would you? So, no, actual data does not reflect that. The GAME itself isn't massive. At most it has 10 people at once.

2nd Blizzard does not monitor Guilds at all, the players that run the guild do, and players can be kicked for any reason because of this.

I'm hoping to deter trolls and feeders from being trolls and feeders. And, something that you probably didn't consider, is that you can not see the text from the other players in my chat logs. Before I can "enlighten" you, you would 1st need to know what a MMO is or how the games you refer to even work.

Being an asshole is a right without the mute button, unless you'd like to move to North Korea.

Awkward Couch7 votes

I completely disagree with you on this entire response, and it seems like you're not going to change your mind, which is fine. But I do want to highlight this:

Being an asshole is a right without the mute button, unless you'd like to move to North Korea.

And there are several things I want to point out.

  • The right to Freedom of Speech does not exist on the internet. Those who run whatever platform you chose to voice your opinion on have the right to silence you, ban you, suspend your account etc. Every major forum has some form of moderation, unless you go to the dark web.

  • The right to Freedom of Speech is the right to speak out against the government, not for you to be an asshole in a video game.

  • Freedom of Speech gives you the right to say what you want, it does not prevent you from consequences.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png

Zezockary1 votes

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Thanks for the reply. I only got 1 chat restriction and it was QUITE a while ago. This game isn't massive at all, it just has a lot of players, or even close to the 1st. DoTA, WoW, SWG, DAoC, EQ, EQ2, Eve, hell even games like L4D, ect ect ect. That is the main thing I disagree with you on. Not a single one of these games catered to "feelings" the way this game does, and SWG and DAoC had insanely good communities.

No sir, this game is toxic because people cry if someone tells them something they don't like and Riot is their biggest defender. Saying "Fucking feeder, you suck", being considered as harassment is laughable and sad. I just want to tell people to grow a pair. There is a mute button for a reason. Use it. Don't penalize me if someone doesn't.

I do not understand your first point, it seems contradictory. League is not massive, it just has a lot of players.... That is what the "massive" in "massive multiplayer" means, that it connects a massive amount of people. It is one of the top games right now. None of the games you listed really introduce a high stress environment for long periods of time besides DoTA in my opinion (I don't recognize SWG or DAoC and don't feel like looking them up). Most of them are easy grind fests. They have raids, but there is subjective evidence out there that rage in raids is harsher than in League.

And to your second point, I would like to restate something I said earlier and expand upon it a bit maybe. Nobody is really offended by what you are saying. Nobody is crying about it, very few people are going to think about you in particular three days later. The issue is that people are harassing others consistently. Nobody wants to queue up 5 times in one day and have to deal with people criticizing everything they do for 20-40 minutes each time and not having a fair way out of it. You are creating an environment that other people do not want to be in, and Riot has decided they do not want people doing that.

Typically by the time the mute button needs to be used the negative person in question has already tilted the game and made everyone's experience worse. There is a mute button to relieve a bit of that pressure, there is also a report button to help prevent it from happening to people in the future.

You maybe have been bumped up an extra tier due to the frequency of your negativity or it may have been a manual review if you have only been punished once prior.

TrulyBland6 votes

Game 1: Nonstop playing the blame-game, needlessly complaining about "killsteals", report calling (which in your own words is considered "passive aggressive bullshit")

Game 2: Same thing minus the killsteals.

At the end a few more direct remarks:

BlindPizzaGuy: go play tetris BlindPizzaGuy: my attitude is that u suck

And somewhere in the middle this, which could even be considered homophobic:

BlindPizzaGuy: must be hard to type with each others cocks in your mouths - Yeah well, they deserved it

Sorry if you disagree with what Riot considers toxic, but I'm very very sure the majority of the community actually agrees with this. That has nothing to do with "catering to children", but rather with catering to the majority of players that also happen to be obviously more mature than you, given your childish blaming, the childish insults, and the childish tantrum you are now throwing.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

{quoted}

Game 1: Nonstop playing the blame-game, needlessly complaining about "killsteals", report calling (which in your own words is considered "passive aggressive bullshit")

Game 2: Same thing minus the killsteals.

At the end a few more direct remarks:

And somewhere in the middle this, which could even be considered homophobic:

Sorry if you disagree with what Riot considers toxic, but I'm very very sure the majority of the community actually agrees with this. That has nothing to do with "catering to children", but rather with catering to the majority of players that also happen to be obviously more mature than you, given your childish blaming, the childish insults, and the childish tantrum you are now throwing.

Ok, a few points. 1st, I do not think you understand what passive aggressive means. 2nd, Regardless if you or anyone thinks what I say is mean or unnecessary is completely subjective. Didn't your Mom tell you:

I'm rubber and your glue....

I could completely understand if I was being racist, threatening someone, ect(and to the guy that said telling some one they suck is homophobic, get real). This should not ever give someone the right to take something you paid for away from you. Let's take this to another front.

I'm sure you all know there are idiots that call various companies: Cell phone, Internet, Cable, Medical, ect... and cuss up a storm and in many cases the customer is wrong. But do any of the companies EVER cut you off from service. HELL no. Because it is wrong to steal from people. It's as simple as that.

It's sad, no other successful game does this, and without naming names, at least 2 of the major MMOs all but completely disregard chat penalties. Yet, this game has been for years and still is widely considered to have the worst gaming community of all time. Why do you think that is?

TrulyBland5 votes

You're comparing the wrong business models and actions here. You're not cussing up the company, you are cussing up other customers. If you go to a restaurant, tip them extra for a nice table and then start insulting other customers, you will be kicked out, and probably without first getting your money back.

You are bad for business. It's that simple.

Awkward Couch3 votes

Ok, a few points. 1st, I do not think you understand what passive aggressive means.

You were very passive aggressive in your chat.

2nd, Regardless if you or anyone thinks what I say is mean or unnecessary is completely subjective.

Saying things like this "BlindPizzaGuy: they are morons --This speaks for itself" isn't subjective at all. There is nothing subjective about that, at all.

Didn't your Mom tell you:

I'm rubber and your glue....

Yes she did, she also told me to treat others with respect, she also taught me not to throw a temper tantrum like a fucking 3 year old every time something bad happens to me.

This should not ever give someone the right to take something you paid for away from you.

Actually, in the TOS, you don't own anything. You don't own your account, you only pay to unlock cosmetics for the account. Before you go off on how this isn't fair, this is how every other MMO works. That's why Blizzard can ban all of those scripters in Overwatch. You can't claim it's stealing if you don't actually own it. But you can read that for yourself here

4.3. Do I “own” the Virtual Goods I unlock? (No. What you “unlock” is not the virtual good itself, but rather, a qualified right to access it in the Game.) You have no ownership or other property interest in any of the Virtual Goods you unlock, regardless of whether you acquired access to those Virtual Goods using Riot Points, Influence Points or Hextech Crafting. Virtual Goods have no monetary value. You can’t redeem them for cash. You can’t obtain any refunds for purchasing Riot Points or Virtual Goods, except as expressly permitted by us. You can find our current content refund policy here. We have the right to delete, alter, move, remove, or transfer any and all Game Content—including Virtual Goods—in whole or in part, at any time and for any reason or no reason, with or without notice to you, and with no liability of any kind to you. We don’t provide or guarantee, and expressly disclaim, any value, cash or otherwise, attributed to any data residing on servers we operate or control, including any Game Content attributed to your account. The sale or transfer of your right to access certain Virtual Goods, Influence Points, Riot Points or Hextech Items may only be conducted via services approved of or provided by us, if any.

4.4. Once again: I don’t own these Virtual Goods? (“No!” shouted all the lawyers.) NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN YOUR ACCOUNT, AND THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO YOUR ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF RIOT GAMES. YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU HAVE NO CLAIM, RIGHT, TITLE, OWNERSHIP, OR OTHER PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE GAME CONTENT THAT YOU UNLOCK OR ACCUMULATE, REGARDLESS OF ANY CONSIDERATION OFFERED OR PAID IN EXCHANGE FOR RIOT POINTS OR VIRTUAL GOODS. FURTHERMORE, RIOT GAMES SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN ANY MANNER FOR THE DESTRUCTION, DELETION, MODIFICATION, IMPAIRMENT, HACKING, OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME CONTENT, VIRTUAL GOODS OR RIOT POINTS, INCLUDING THE DELETION OF GAME CONTENT, VIRTUAL GOODS OR RIOT POINTS UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT.

I'm sure you all know there are idiots that call various companies: Cell phone, Internet, Cable, Medical, ect... and cuss up a storm and in many cases the customer is wrong. But do any of the companies EVER cut you off from service. HELL no. Because it is wrong to steal from people. It's as simple as that.

I would love to know what world you live in where this actually happens. Because I don't think this has ever happened to me, where my medical insurance just gave up because I was being annoying and they had the "customer is always right" mentality. People like to think that the "customer is always right" is the way things work, but that only is correct in the retail buisness. With reoccurring payments (cellphone, internet, insurance) that isn't the case at all.

Yet, this game has been for years and still is widely considered to have the worst gaming community of all time. Why do you think that is?

Because people love to quote stereotypes without any actual proof. Happens all the time, and not just in League.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

I would love to know what world you live in where this actually happens. Because I don't think this has ever happened to me, where my medical insurance just gave up because I was being annoying and they had the "customer is always right" mentality. People like to think that the "customer is always right" is the way things work, but that only is correct in the retail buisness. With reoccurring payments (cellphone, internet, insurance) that isn't the case at all.

Because people love to quote stereotypes without any actual proof. Happens all the time, and not just in League.

Many people are quoting the ToS as if a company saying you don't own it makes that right or moral. Get off the bandwagon. I paid for it, if I can't use it anymore, I should be refunded at least part of it. Otherwise it's bad business ethics.

I live in a world where companies don't ban you from using their service for being angry. Customer always right? That is not what I was saying at all. I never even hinted at the customer being right. What are you talking about?

Its not a stereotype. It's a consensuses. Open you browser, type in "Worst gaming community". It's not even close.

Randomonium5 votes

The title of this post is "player penalties are completely immoral and unfair" and yet not once in your post do you give a decent argument how player penalties are completely immoral and unfair.

People who feed or troll in ranked get punished all the time so I have no idea what you're talking about that those actions have zero penalty. And if you knew anything about how the report system works you'd know that multiple reports don't increase the chance of someone being banned and riot knows who you queue up with and takes into account if an entire premade reports you.

Furthermore, you obviously have never read the terms of use that YOU AGREE TO EVERY SINGLE TIME A NEW PATCH COMES OUT. Riot makes it clear that you don't own ANYTHING on your account and that they can modify or delete your account for any reason or for no reason. Anything you buy in league of legends is effectively a lease. Riot retains the rights to everything in game and even says in their terms of use that content in the game has no monetary value.

If you want people to actually listen to you then you need to educate yourself on how the system actually works and come back with some constructive arguments.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

{quoted}

The title of this post is "player penalties are completely immoral and unfair" and yet not once in your post do you give a decent argument how player penalties are completely immoral and unfair.

People who feed or troll in ranked get punished all the time so I have no idea what you're talking about that those actions have zero penalty. And if you knew anything about how the report system works you'd know that multiple reports don't increase the chance of someone being banned and riot knows who you queue up with and takes into account if an entire premade reports you.

Furthermore, you obviously have never read the terms of use that YOU AGREE TO EVERY SINGLE TIME A NEW PATCH COMES OUT. Riot makes it clear that you don't own ANYTHING on your account and that they can modify or delete your account for any reason or for no reason. Anything you buy in league of legends is effectively a lease. Riot retains the rights to everything in game and even says in their terms of use that content in the game has no monetary value.

If you want people to actually listen to you then you need to educate yourself on how the system actually works and come back with some constructive arguments.

Pretty sure I made several arguments toward the title, esp. since you cited one in the next line in your post. And what do you mean they get punished all the time? Show me some data confirming such nonsense. The # of people that are suspended I would bet is SIGNIFICANTLY higher for those who "say mean words" compared to those who actually troll. And no, I don't read them and neither do most people. I shouldn't need to be a lawyer to play the game.

I know you want to sound smart but no, none of what you say is a decent argument.

Randomonium3 votes

I said decent arguments. None of the "arguments" you presented were decent. They all were based on grossly incorrect information.

Obviously you don't check the boards often because there are tons of people who come here complaining about how they got penalties for AFKing and in the past month or so I've gotten multiple in client messages saying that people I've reported for trolling have gotten banned. I do agree that there are more people who get banned for toxicity but that's only because its extremely easy to ban someone for toxicity because there is a record of the chat log. However, if you are going to make a claim like that then I'm going to hold you to the same standard as you hold me and ask for some data showing that the number of people who are banned for toxicity is significantly higher than for other reasons. Catching and punishing trolls is much more difficult because it is difficult to determine if someone is trolling or just playing bad (except in extreme cases.)

I can tell that you are a kid because when you are an adult you read the contracts you agree to or you get burned bad. I'd never agree to a car loan without first reading the terms and conditions. I'd never sign up for a new phone plan before reading the contract. And I sure as hell wouldn't pay money for a FREE game until I read their terms of use. Your ignorance does not mean Riot "stole" from you, it means that you were too stupid and lazy to read a document that governs the use of their product. The terms of use is written in extremely easy language to understand. I have no legal experience whatsoever and I could understand it very easily. Furthermore, the terms of use is not terribly long compared to most contracts (took me 10-15 minutes to read and understand it.) The fact that you didn't once take the time to read it after playing this game for YEARS just shows how lazy and ignorant you actually are. Stop whining and learn from your mistakes. Maybe next time you'll learn from your mistakes and actually read a contract before blindly agreeing to it.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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I said decent arguments. None of the "arguments" you presented were decent. They all were based on grossly incorrect information.

Obviously you don't check the boards often because there are tons of people who come here complaining about how they got penalties for AFKing and in the past month or so I've gotten multiple in client messages saying that people I've reported for trolling have gotten banned. I do agree that there are more people who get banned for toxicity but that's only because its extremely easy to ban someone for toxicity because there is a record of the chat log. However, if you are going to make a claim like that then I'm going to hold you to the same standard as you hold me and ask for some data showing that the number of people who are banned for toxicity is significantly higher than for other reasons. Catching and punishing trolls is much more difficult because it is difficult to determine if someone is trolling or just playing bad (except in extreme cases.)

I can tell that you are a kid because when you are an adult you read the contracts you agree to or you get burned bad. I'd never agree to a car loan without first reading the terms and conditions. I'd never sign up for a new phone plan before reading the contract. And I sure as hell wouldn't pay money for a FREE game until I read their terms of use. Your ignorance does not mean Riot "stole" from you, it means that you were too stupid and lazy to read a document that governs the use of their product. The terms of use is written in extremely easy language to understand. I have no legal experience whatsoever and I could understand it very easily. Furthermore, the terms of use is not terribly long compared to most contracts (took me 10-15 minutes to read and understand it.) The fact that you didn't once take the time to read it after playing this game for YEARS just shows how lazy and ignorant you actually are. Stop whining and learn from your mistakes. Maybe next time you'll learn from your mistakes and actually read a contract before blindly agreeing to it.

I'm not even going to take the time to respond much when comparing this game to a car loan or cell phone agreement.

Randomonium1 votes

Money is money. Doesn't matter if its a house or trip insurance. If you don't read the fine print then the only person you have to blame is yourself.

S0kaX3 votes

I don't even need to look at all of your chat logs, I just saw the last ones and I can say you're a toxic kid, your ban is fair so now go make another account or go play something else

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

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I don't even need to look at all of your chat logs, I just saw the last ones and I can say you're a toxic kid, your ban is fair so now go make another account or go play something else

How is this helpful feedback? You didn't even read the text. What criteria is your "say"? My ban is fair based on what? This is EXACTLY what I mean from my post. This guy is the problem, not me.

S0kaX1 votes

{quoted}

How is this helpful feedback? You didn't even read the text. What criteria is your "say"? My ban is fair based on what? This is EXACTLY what I mean from my post. This guy is the problem, not me.

Your ban is fair based on the fact that you trashtalked, or do you consider trashtalking a good thing that makes your teammates better?

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

{quoted}

Your ban is fair based on the fact that you trashtalked, or do you consider trashtalking a good thing that makes your teammates better?

I don't find it to be a legitimate bannable offense. Rainbows and Unicorns.

S0kaX2 votes

{quoted}

I don't find it to be a legitimate bannable offense. Rainbows and Unicorns.

Ok you're clearly trolling

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

Negativity, harassing team, calling for reports.

That enough for you?

Additionally, you have all the other games that led up to the 2 other punishments you earned before (on just this account!)

Timethief492 votes

BlindPizzaGuy: no need for a corki mid honestly BlindPizzaGuy: in b5 maybe BlindPizzaGuy: must be hard to type with each others cocks in your mouths nope punishment system seems to be working just fine ^^

Maximum Morde2 votes

Tldr

Zykklon B1 votes

Hold this L

Astôlfo1 votes

Your complaints are invalid. Dismissed.

BlindPizzaGuy1 votes

Very insightful

Primaquarius1 votes

#GoPlayTetris

Okay, that was funny

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