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I mean this is just funny - Rito PLS

S0upKitch3n··1 votes·809 views

Ok. I am not a toxic player. I do not flame people every game etc. etc. I don't believe that people deserve to be flamed for playing badly - it's stupid. There are plenty of people who DESERVE to be flamed - ie. toxic people who are flaming others - but I still don't. In fact, generally I don't say anything to anyone ever - I just ping. I get keys and honours all the time. I mean idk what to say.

I have just received a 10 game chat restriction citing the following chat logs (yes there was only ONE game cited as cause for the chat restriction). This game is a rarity I mean I would never normally say anything to anyone but it was a normals game blah blah blah here's the chat logs:

Game 1

Anonymous: stop pushing Anonymous: just last hit pls -asking my blitz sup not to push wave while i'm dead

Anonymous: yeah do something in a fight for once Anonymous: literally never do anything until im already dead Anonymous: like wake up *blitz just spam pinged my death timer (toxic) after dying for the third time in lane in a fight where he literally stands there watching doing nothing the entire fight.. then i die.. and he runs in to use his abilities (which were NOT on cd) - same thing he's done each time - notice i haven't said anything about it prior to him spam pinging my death timer. I'll admit this is a snappy tone - but the dude just spam pinged my death timer after being a potato in 3 consecutive fights.. lol.

Anonymous: could u not take the farm bot Anonymous: then come take farm elsewhere too -talking to my top laner (1/7) who has just come from bot lane taking 3 waves then run mid to fight me for the wave i have left to me after having to play safe under tower trying to defend from siege from 3 people @ mid inhib (so couldn't farm it while he was bot)

** I should probably clarify even further: our top laner was playing irelia.. so if he doens't miss time his q you literally cannot get a SINGLE last hit ever - if he wants all of them.

Anonymous: lmfao this elo *just got told to shut the fuck up by my jg'er after saying that to the top laner

Anonymous: not fun watching you feed Anonymous: and then take farm from everywhere Anonymous: and keep feeding Anonymous: lol *the rest of my team jumped in and started telling me to shut the fuck up too - "you need to learn to just play this game for fun" is what i was told by the least toxic person on the team

Anonymous: so toxic *multiple people spam pinging my death timer (I have the least deaths on the team btw)

Anonymous: *losing Anonymous: and it's not about losing Anonymous: it's about inting *least toxic player (ironically a yas) telling me that I just have to be able to accept losing somtimes - he's not wrong.. but losing isn't the point - i don't have a problem with losing i have a problem with people inting and then flaming me - bear in mind to this point i have done nothing but:

  1. ask my sup not to push while I was dead and the enemy sup was still alive (he was level 3 he couldn't have pushed the wave in even if he was alone in lane + we didnt know where their jg was)
  2. respond to my sup toxicly spam pinging my death timer as if to say "holy fuck you suck" meanwhile he's being a potato in fights
  3. ask the top laner not to farm every lane - others need farm too - would MAYBE be different if the top laner wasn't 1/7 and inting - which i didn't bring up at the time everything else has just been me responding to people flaming me

Anonymous: 1/7 *just got told IM inting - responded simply by stating his score - mine was 2/3 at the time

Anonymous: hard not to have many deaths when you guys are inting as hard as you are Anonymous: 12/1 kat Anonymous: not sure what im supposed to do to survive that (was playing adc if you haven't figured that out so the answer is: not much) - i was sitting under inhib towers refusing to leave base (score was like 4-25 or something ridiculous) and I was dying to kat just flashing into the tower from out of vision and killing me lol - right through the hexdrinker passive Anonymous: especially when you dont watch map and sup wont stay with me *"yeah well you've died a bunch too" is what I was told - above was my response

Anonymous: 1/7 Anonymous: 2/7 Anonymous: i think i get it just fine Anonymous: 2 ppl Anonymous: 3 kills 14 deaths *someone trying to explain what inting is to me - because apparently I have it wrong

Anonymous: yeah Anonymous: well when you chase 1 person into the fog Anonymous: with 4 mia Anonymous: and none of your team with you Anonymous: what would you call that? Anonymous: sounds like INTENTIONALLY feeding to me *me explaining what inting is to HIM

Anonymous: ff *the ff thing was actually a mistype on my part - was trying to actually put up a ff vote - it had just hit 20mins in game - i did put up the ff vote a half second after

Anonymous: clueless lil kid *this is probably the one of only 2 toxic things I said the entire game - can't remember what this was in response to

Anonymous: how about taking every fight you can out numbered with a kat that's 8/1 Anonymous: now 12/1 Anonymous: great Anonymous: get ur entertainment by fighting to win next time Anonymous: instead of inting Anonymous: thx *being told "some of us just play this game for fun" - you can tell I'm starting to get pissed off now

Anonymous: yeah i mean i hardly said anything and got told to shut the fuck up by a toxic bronze jg'er *ik how that sounds - i looked him up because of all the crap he was spouting in chat - he actually is bronze that's not just me calling him bronze.

Anonymous: so yeah that would piss anyone off i think Anonymous: not flaming Anonymous: explaining inting Anonymous: to lil bronzies *that last line would be the second thing I said that is toxic - my bad - hard to keep control when ur whole team is inting and then flaming YOU the entire game

I understand it's only a 10 game chat RESTRICTION (not even a ban) but come ON.. THIS is toxic? No. I may be saying things people don't wanna hear - but it's NOT toxic - especially when you take the context of everyone flaming / being toxic to ME into account. Glad I basically never talk to anyone LOL . Wtf Riot?

14 Comments

ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted}...but come ON.. THIS is toxic? Glad I basically never talk to anyone LOL . Wtf Riot?

It is, yes.

Most of this chat log is just constant complaining about a person on your team. It's worsening an already negative game environment and providing no benefit -- if someone really IS feeding this won't stop them, and if they're just having a really bad game this makes them feel worse.

You also call them "lil kids" and "lil bronzies", which you should know isn't okay.

S0upKitch3n1 votes

the "kids" and "lil bronzies" are the two I admit are toxic - the rest of it isn't me complaining at all - it's me responding to people who are complaining about ME.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}

the "kids" and "lil bronzies" are the two I admit are toxic - the rest of it isn't me complaining at all - it's me responding to people who are complaining about ME.

Responding by belittling the performance of others, which is not okay, no manner what they say to you. You do not get an exemption to the rules just because someone else was being nasty to you first.

Arisha the Dark2 votes

{quoted}

the "kids" and "lil bronzies" are the two I admit are toxic - the rest of it isn't me complaining at all - it's me responding to people who are complaining about ME.

It doesn't matter if you started or answering. If you are toxic, you are toxic. And as I explained to you, blaming is toxic. And you blame your team a lot.

Kei1433 votes

Yea, it's mildly-moderatly toxic due to you giving up and constantly blaming others, while berating theirs scores.

Doing this over many games will get you punished. Just to let you know, in Riots eyes, such behavior in 10% of your games is considered a lot already.

S0upKitch3n1 votes

Again.. I wasn't blaming anyone. I wasn't berating scores, I was RESPONDING to people who were doing that exact thing TO ME. lol. THIS is why context is important!

Tell me something - and I mean, mostly, I wouldn't respond at all (if I even saw it because in ranked I would just mute all at the beginning of the match anyway) but let's just suppose a hypothetical:

Let's say that you die (for whatever reason) and you're team starts flaming you saying you're shit blah blah blah you're so bad etc. etc. (you know, ACTUAL toxic behaviour) - and you simply respond something like "alistar needed to save his w to knock kennen out of the fight"

to which they respond "yeah whatever stfu inting trash" to which you respond "1/7" (which would be the score of the player who said that to you)

that's toxic is it? I mean it's not that you're discussing team fighting strat with your team so that maybe you can do it better in the next fight.. that's just blaming alistar and complaining about him. It's not that you're demonstrating the ridiculousness of what someone just said calling you inting trash when they have a worse score than you (and an objectively ridiculously bad score) and lol'ing about it - no that's flaming them and berating them over their score.

See this is the problem with this community. You don't even know what toxic IS.

"Fuck you kill yourself" <-- toxic "Holy shit you're trash" <-- toxic "shut the fuck up" <-- toxic especially when unprovoked

"alistar needed to save his w to knock kennen out of the fight" <-- NOT toxic "1/7" in response to someone calling you inting trash <-- NOT toxic

you can't spend your life being butt hurt and calling people toxic because they say something you don't want to hear or call something controversial but inert in and of itself objectively toxic out of context.

I guess the real point is: I disagree with Riot's definition of toxicity and their player punishment system. The idea that they don't look @ chat logs and read all the shit people are saying to someone (flaming the ever loving fuck out of them) and then read what they said in response and think "you know, he's demonstrating insane amounts of control here.. this really ins't toxic behaviour especially when you take into account the things they're saying to HIM" "he's staying focused on the game and simply refuting what they're saying about him logically" "he's not calling anyone names" "he hasn't said anything about uninstalling blah blah blah" "he hasn't blamed the loss on anyone he's simply pointing out why what they're saying doesn't make sense" -- like honestly getting any kind of punishment for the above chat logs is hilarious - it's actually ridiculous and riot is making a joke out of themselves.

You may agree with Riot and that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't come at me with no opinion simply telling me what Riot considers toxic IS toxic. Something isn't toxic simply because Riot says it is. Thats just THEIR definition. Doesn't make it right. And yeah, they get to dole out punishments based on their definition - which means you're inclined to obey them - fine. Still doesn't make it RIGHT.

I mean the great irony of this is that half the people who are telling me that the chat logs are toxic are, by their OWN definition of toxicity, being toxic to ME in their responses. By their own definition if we were having this discussion in game their chat would be reportable AND PUNISHABLE. Excuse my french but you have to be a little amused at the irony there - I mean that is legit fucking HILARIOUS.

EDIT: In one of the responses below somebody actually had the audacity to tell me that telling someone they're being toxic is toxic. LMFAO WHAT?! So lemme get this straight they say something like "kill yourself you piece of shit %%%got" and you respond "omggg.. soooo toxic wtf..." and you are going to get reported and punished for that. LMFAO.

Ok, so here's the lesson I've learned from this post: This community is full of retards and I'm just never going to say anything in game or on forums to anyone in this community again. (If for no other reason than just to stop the brain-hurt) - and YES.. what I JUST said.. THAT.. was actually toxic :). Still true tho lol.

Kei1434 votes

Ehh.. Your context on why you did what you did really doesn't matter.

What matters is whether or not you insulted and harassed others. The answer is yes, and that is regardless on whether you are the one that started attack or whether you were the ones doing counter attacking. Counter-attacking is an attack.

It's not that you were punished for this one game alone either, while the reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, it doesnt mean you were punished for this game alone.

Which means that this behavior of yours that lead to a punishment is a consistant behavior and you have shown a pattern of harassing others.

I also want you to know that it is the community that decides what is toxic as the IFS learns from our reports. Other than zero tolerance phrases, Riot really doesn't have much input in regards to what they consider as toxic. Look at most of your replies to you and you'll get to see what people on these boards consider toxic.

Umbral Regent3 votes

Game 1

Anonymous: stop pushing Anonymous: just last hit pls Anonymous: yeah do something in a fight for once Anonymous: literally never do anything until im already dead Anonymous: like wake up Anonymous: could u not take the farm bot Anonymous: then come take farm elsewhere too Anonymous: lmfao this elo Anonymous: not fun watching you feed Anonymous: and then take farm from everywhere Anonymous: and keep feeding Anonymous: lol Anonymous: so toxic Anonymous: losing Anonymous: and it's not about losing Anonymous: it's about inting Anonymous: 1/7 Anonymous: hard not to have many deaths when you guys are inting as hard as you are Anonymous: 12/1 kat Anonymous: not sure what im supposed to do to survive that Anonymous: especially when you dont watch map and sup wont stay with me Anonymous: 1/7 Anonymous: 2/7 Anonymous: i think i get it just fine Anonymous: 2 ppl Anonymous: 3 kills 14 deaths Anonymous: yeah Anonymous: well when you chase 1 person into the fog Anonymous: with 4 mia Anonymous: and none of your team with you Anonymous: what would you call that? Anonymous: sounds like INTENTIONALLY feeding to me Anonymous: ff Anonymous: clueless lil kid Anonymous: how about taking every fight you can out numbered with a kat that's 8/1 Anonymous: now 12/1 Anonymous: great Anonymous: get ur entertainment by fighting to win next time Anonymous: instead of inting Anonymous: thx Anonymous: yeah i mean i hardly said anything and got told to shut the fuck up by a toxic bronze jg'er Anonymous: so yeah that would piss anyone off i think Anonymous: not flaming Anonymous: explaining inting Anonymous: to lil bronzies

Amended to remove unnecessary fluff. If you feel the need to pepper the chatlogs with "context" every few lines, then it's a pretty clear sign you're trying to defend bad behavior.

In this log, I see insults (lil bronzies, lil kid), accusations of intentional feeding and toxicity, personal attacks involving KDA, unnecessary arguing, and just an overall bad attitude. This Chat restriction was warranted. And, to answer your question, yes, this is toxic.

S0upKitch3n1 votes

Ofcourse I feel the need to defend my chat - I've been chat restricted so of course I would want to defend my chat if I don't think I was being toxic.

Also. It's not "unnecessary fluff" - the people who chose to chat restrict me had the ENTIRE chat logs (including team actions like spam pinging death timers and what they were saying to ME) - it's only fair that if I'm going to post the chat logs on the forums that I give anyone reading them the same context that the people who chat restricted me had.

Umbral Regent2 votes

You could have an easier time creating paragraphs of explanation after the chat logs instead of making the chat logs needlessly difficult to read by throwing in commentary. Hence why I went through the effort to prune the commentary and have the chat logs presented in full to the best of my ability.

And, yes. It is unnecessary fluff. You weren't punished by people - the IFS is an automated system, and in general, handles all cases of chat related toxicity that I know of. If you alone are reported, the IFS will look exclusively at your chat logs, and no-one else's. The reason for this is that nobody else's actions directly influence or excuse your own. If you choose to be toxic in response to a flamer, that is your choice, not the flamer's.

There really is no reason to try and use other player's misbehavior as a defense to excuse your own misbehavior. Regardless of if they chose to misbehave, you still did so too, and your punishment is deserved.

Dreamer5292 votes

{quoted}...but come ON.. THIS is toxic? Glad I basically never talk to anyone LOL . Wtf Riot?

It is, yes.

Most of this chat log is just constant complaining about a person on your team. It's worsening an already negative game environment and providing no benefit -- if someone really IS feeding this won't stop them, and if they're just having a really bad game this makes them feel worse.

You also call them "lil kids" and "lil bronzies", which you should know isn't okay.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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So this is the weirdest glitch I've seen -- my comment seems to have overridden yours. I have no idea what could have happened here (I'm posting on mobile so it can't even have been an accidental press of moderator buttons), but I'm sorry about it. Must have had something to do with it not posting the first time I hit post -- possibly we were posting at the same time and this somehow happened?

Arisha the Dark2 votes

{quoted}

Anonymous: yeah do something in a fight for once Anonymous: literally never do anything until im already dead Anonymous: like wake up

Blaming. You didn't say it, but you implied that your allie is useless. It's toxic.

Anonymous: lmfao this elo

"This elo" is a negative line. You basically claim that all or most people in "this elo" are bad/toxic. Saying something like that is toxic.

Anonymous: not fun watching you feed Anonymous: and then take farm from everywhere Anonymous: and keep feeding Anonymous: lol

Blaming again. Blaming someone, saying "we loose because of you" or "you fed our enemy, so we loose" is toxic.

Anonymous: hard not to have many deaths when you guys are inting as hard as you are Anonymous: 12/1 kat

Anonymous: 1/7 Anonymous: 2/7 Anonymous: i think i get it just fine Anonymous: 2 ppl Anonymous: 3 kills 14 deaths

Same as last one.

Anonymous: yeah Anonymous: well when you chase 1 person into the fog Anonymous: with 4 mia Anonymous: and none of your team with you Anonymous: what would you call that? Anonymous: sounds like INTENTIONALLY feeding to me

That is not what intentional feeding is. But what you said is blaming, which is toxic.

Anonymous: clueless lil kid

You said it yourself, you flamed him.

Anonymous: how about taking every fight you can out numbered with a kat that&#039;s 8/1 Anonymous: now 12/1 Anonymous: great Anonymous: get ur entertainment by fighting to win next time Anonymous: instead of inting Anonymous: thx

Blaming. Again.

Anonymous: yeah i mean i hardly said anything and got told to shut the fuck up by a toxic bronze jg&#039;er Anonymous: so yeah that would piss anyone off i think Anonymous: not flaming Anonymous: explaining inting Anonymous: to lil bronzies

You don't seem to understand that blaming someone is a variation of flaming. Don't do it.

Funniest thing is, you don't seem to understand what "inting" is. Inting is when you literally go to enemy turret and let it kill you or just go to enemy champion and let him kill you. That is inting. Just making mistakes, like solo chasing, is not inting, it's making mistakes. Inting stands for "intentional", so for as long as your allie actually thought that what he/she is doing is a good call, they are not inting.

Arisha the Dark1 votes

One thing you fail to understand. Just because you think what you wrote in chat isn't toxic, doesn't mean everyone agrees. You asked us, we answered. Our opinions are different from yours. Thing is, Riot agrees with us more then with you, so you got chat restriction. Don't want more restrictions, follow Riots rules and THEIR definition of what is toxic.

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