Perma-banned.... I'm sorry.

MrClockwork7000··3 votes·532 views

Today I just got perma-banned.... Though I know I have been EXTREMELY toxic and a complete piece of shit to others in this game, I've been trying to be nicer and even try to stop other people from tilting others.... Ever since my first ban I received for being toxic I vowed to stop being toxic. I just played a game with a botlane where one made a sarcastic comment to the other and the other replied "np %%%". The one who was being called the bad word was our support. Our support left their lane and roamed around while also afk'ing for a period of time. I told the enemy team to "Please Report" because even though you were called a bad word, that isn't a reason to leave bot-lane alone and be afk. I typed out the word "%%%" to the enemy team to let them know what word was said to our support that made him leave. After a while the support player was getting on my nerves by being afk, and sending out long lines of text. I then proceeded to call them the exact word mentioned before because of my anger that happened. I honestly don't want to be perma-banned and anyone who is doesn't either. Though I think that my being nice over the past couple months isn't enough to get me un-banned, I just don't want to have to be left with this empty feeling... I love this game, and I love playing with my friends. If I don't get un-banned I completely understand and will create a new account with a fresh start and be the nicest person i can be. Thank you for reading this and if a riot employee can reply to let me know what will happen with my account it will be much appreciated. Have a good day. Once again sorry for being a complete ahole to anyone and I regret every word that I have said that has ever upset or hurt someone else in this game...

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ModThe Djinn4 votes

If I don't get un-banned I completely understand and will create a new account with a fresh start and be the nicest person i can be.

This is probably your best approach. You could try to contact Riot Support and politely explain your case, but if you have a history of toxicity I can't say how successful that course of action would be. Probably worth a try though.

In the future, do NOT repeat zero-tolerance language, and do not bother asking for reports. One report has just as much impact as nine with how the system is built, so more reports don't matter.

MrClockwork70001 votes

I appreciate your advice and will keep your words in mind.

Negativity1 votes

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I appreciate your advice and will keep your words in mind.

I fell bad cuz yesterday I was grinding for master Elo and I reported 3 toxic player an all got instant feed back, one was a challenger player. Means none of them for anything for their hard work this season just by flaming in one game. I'm sorry you had this happen to you hope it will at least be e learning experience. Like it was for me once upon a time.

MrClockwork70002 votes

Yup this is what I deserve... just wish I decided to stop being toxic before my first ban.

Fawful1 votes

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Yup this is what I deserve... just wish I decided to stop being toxic before my first ban.

For what its worth, at least you have the insight and maturity to look inward to solve a problem rather than rage against the world around you

I applaud that.

ZeroAgainst1 votes

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I fell bad cuz yesterday I was grinding for master Elo and I reported 3 toxic player an all got instant feed back, one was a challenger player. Means none of them for anything for their hard work this season just by flaming in one game. I'm sorry you had this happen to you hope it will at least be e learning experience. Like it was for me once upon a time.

the guy i duoed with reported me because i got amde at a jhin telling me to go kms. the one report thing holds true i got a 13 game chat restriction

Xurreal2 votes

People are so vicious to people who get banned...

At the end of the day, he's still human! And losing like that hurts.

OP. You can reform quite easily if you really are adamant about wanting to be here. I say this because of your admission.

However, as far as this account goes...

It has been totaled.

Bunny Fapps1 votes

I know it's stupidly hard to not flame but in future my advice is and always will be if ur team sucks it doesn't matter you will be with someone else next game the best thing you can do is encourage that person. Tell them they can do better and that you hope they win their next game, you will get an honour and look like the chillest guy ever so even if u loose the game you get something. If you are being flamed the best way to react is either not at all or apologise for the mistakes in your game and tell them you are working on them, then spend the rest of the game focusing on not dying. This way they look like a dick and you will get honoured for being untiltable honestly play for honour when you cant play to win :)

Fegone1 votes

Uhm... "if a riot employee can reply to let me know what will happen with my account it will be much appreciated"

You got permabanned. That's what happened and that's what's going to remain. You got banned for a reason you know and even acknowledge. It wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a stolen/hacked account, so no, stop trying this "i dk what's gonna happen, pls someone tell me" bs. Create a new account if you really want to behave this time, or don't play the game. It's getting really ridiculous with all these "pls unban me from permaban" - posts on the forum by entitled toxic players who think everyone owes them s%%%.

MrClockwork70002 votes

Aren't you the one being toxic right now? I just asked a question because I didn't know how the entire process went down, and I was also reforming when I was banned..... You don't need to be a dick to me for a simple question.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I concur. You asked genuine questions in your post, and Fegone's response was way out of line.

Looking at your post, if you're being truthful then it is slightly possible that Riot might lift the punishment. There have been cases in the past where someone was 14-day banned simply for repeating what somebody else said, while lobbying for reports. And Riot lifted or reduced their punishment. But I'm not sure how they handle it with permabans, because sometimes even just asking people to report a player can be considered punishable depending on how you do it. So really any other punishable behavior in addition to the repeating their words could result in the permaban.

I've also got some advice for you. Based on what you've said about trying to improve, I genuinely believe that it would be helpful to you if you choose to make use of it. I've written it before so I'll just quote that here:

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Ok for advice I've got a few things. A lot of it is written out in the post linked below, but I'll elaborate a bunch and add a few points in my comment here as well.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/bv2m7fx4-feeders-and-toxic-teammates-got-you-down-this-may-help

Warning: Wall of text incoming. It's a lot to read, but trust me it's all useful techniques that I've used to great effect in my own games. It's worth your time if you are willing to read through it all.


1. On avoiding getting banned:

You don't want to get banned obviously, so first and foremost you should avoid being negative, passive aggressive, or insulting in any way from this point on. A good rule of thumb is this: If you wouldn't say it loudly to somebody in a public place in front of someone who's respect you hold dear, it's probably not something you should say to a stranger over the internet. Avoid being sarcastic, or saying anything to blame teammates.

Generally speaking, anything that you say that might anger your teammate is something that could make them report you. Whether or not their report for that statement is justified, if it triggers the IFS to review your behavior and the IFS finds something else that you said in that game that it thinks is punishable, it's going to punish you for the second thing even if the person reported you for something else.

Keep in mind that after a 14-day ban you're going to be on super thin ice. Even minor negativity may be enough to trigger another punishment, and unfortunately (and in this case, unfairly in my opinion) for you, the next punishment in the progression is a permanent ban. If you are not absolutely certain that you can talk to irritating teammates without saying something punishable, then it is better to not talk to those types of teammates at all. Mute them and don't even acknowledge what they say. You can safely report them yourself after the game and leave it in Riot's hands to deal with them.

After several months of consistently honorable (or otherwise positive) behavior, your account standing should improve and that 'thin-ice' and danger of being permabanned will loom over you much less.


2. On using past, present, and future tense to better steer discussions in a positive direction:

It especially helps to steer conversations into the future tense. reasons being this:

  • The past tense is often used for assigning blame
  • the present tense is often used for discussing values
  • and the future tense is often used for making choices or decisions in the future.

This is a subtle twist of language that a lot of people don't realize affects their discussions with others, and they react to it on a subconscious level.

For example, picture this happening in one of your games. Person A just died to a gank because they pushed up too far and didn't ward. Here we will look at the outcomes of using different verb tenses to discuss their death.

Case 1 - Past tense:

Person B: Dude you shouldn't have been so far up <- notice the past tense, this will often make Person A feel like they are being attacked, and they are more likely to react by defending themselves instead of focusing on playing smarter the next time. person A: I wasn't trying to die, they just caught me! It wasn't my fault!!!

Here Person A argued instead of recognizing or learning what they need to do better next time (ward and watch out for ganks).

Case 2 - Present tense:

Person B: Aww man that sucks, I'm sorry you're dead right now. it's not fair how they can pull bullshit like that. person A: Thanks! Yeah, it's so unfair!

Here both players commiserate over the unfortunate event. Nothing is learned from it, but Person A is at least feeling supported by person B. As long as you use the present tense like this (to express support for a teammate after something bad happens), it will serve a good purpose because it will put Person A's mind at ease and they won't be worried about getting flamed by Person B every time they make a mistake.

Case 3 - Future tense:

Person B: Oof that's unfortunate. Lets try to ward next time before you push like that again, maybe it will help keep you safe. person A: Thanks! I'll try that.

Here person B makes the discussion focus more on what to do about the problem in the future, and they do it in a helpful way. This helps Player A to see why their push ended badly for them and gives them a clear goal - a safer strategy to try the next time that they want to push.

Also, keep in mind that verb tense is more than just talking about when to do something. Telling somebody to "stop feeding/flaming" or to "feed/flame less next time" isn't really using the future tense, because it is still making the player's mistake from the past into the main focus of the discussion.


3. On maintaining team morale and preventing tilt and arguments.

A lot of the time, people begin to argue or tilt because of plays going badly. They can't accept responsibility (or fault / blame) for their mistakes, or they are upset because somebody else's mistake made the game harder to win.

A series of bad plays is sometimes all it takes to drive a team into the worst sorts of in-fighting and arguments. This is why it is super important to maintain team morale and to keep people focused on strategy and future plays.

When a play goes badly, you can head-off (or prevent) multiple problems. First you can prevent the player from tilting and getting anxious or afraid of their mistakes getting them blamed or harassed by the team. And second, you can help the whole team to not tilt by turning the focus away from the mistake and towards what can be done to prevent or make-up-for the mistake in the future.

To do this you need to use a combination of the present and future tense, in order to make the player (or team) feel supported while also giving them a clear goal of something to do better the next time around. For example, the future tense case from section 2. Notice how Player B commiserates with player A to make them feel like Player B is on their side ("oof that 's unfortunate," and then gives them an idea for what to do next time ("Maybe if we ward next time it will keep you safe.")

Maintaining team morale isn't just about preventing tilt though! You don't even have to try to make players feel better after a bad play if they are already feeling great in the first place! This is why it is important to compliment teammates whenever a play goes well.

If the jungler ganks top and they kill the enemy or force the enemy to waste resources... Say something like "good teamwork top & jungle" or "great gank" because these sorts of things will make them feel good about what they did well, and make them feel motivated to try to do such teamwork successfully again in the future.

If bottom lane gets a tower or mid lane roams and makes a successful play, compliment them for it! People love praise and it will make them feel like you have their back.

This has another benefit of making them trust you more, that way if things go wrong later and you need to give feedback or suggest they do something different, they will already think you are nice and will be less likely to take it personally or get upset when you tell them to do something differently.


Conclusion:

Phew! That was a lot, I hope it wasn't too much of a wall of text. That's most of what I have to say for now.

I've used each of these techniques to great effect in my own games, and I highly recommend you try them in your own. If you have any questions about them or you want to discuss other techniques, just let me know I'll be happy to talk more about this.

Fegone1 votes

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Aren't you the one being toxic right now? I just asked a question because I didn't know how the entire process went down, and I was also reforming when I was banned..... You don't need to be a dick to me for a simple question.

No, I'm not being toxic. I'm being real. You got banned and I explained to you why, and why this decision (hopefully) won't be repealed, and I did that without the use of any euphemisms. If you can't deal with the reality, and need everything filtered through pink honey glasses with sprinkles on top, before you can be exposed to it, you might want to reconsider your online presence altogether.

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