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Bad Game Design and why I'm leaving League of Legends for good.

Decimate My Foes·12/2/2015, 10:50:16 PM·3 votes·5,142 views

Hi everyone. I'm quite aware that on the forums most people seem to talk about League's player base as toxic and what have you. They beg Riot to punish these players, when most of them do not grief but are just verbally abusive. Instead of trying to understand these players, they are demonized and are unable to enjoy the game as the rest of you do because of their human instinct. In a very toxic environment, with a lot at stake, with 4 other players and every other kind of psychological thing to make somebody snap, it's actually to be expected to have a toxic game. Any team game, or competitive game is. Two of my accounts have been permanently banned due to this and for that reason I will not be returning to League. I enjoy the game but I dislike how you aren't allowed to enjoy the game because everyone has a thin skin. My only regret - spending thousands of hours in this game and spending hundreds of dollars on it. I wish I had invested my money into a better company but it seems like Heroes of The Storm will finally allow me to do that. I believe this game will eventually die and the sooner that happens, the happier I'll be. My advice to you is this though. Instead of restricting chat for negative behavior, have a way to turn it off before you enter games, so verbally abusive players can moderate themselves when it comes to stressful gameplay. Just being able to mute others is not enough. Instead of limiting their chat, completely restrict it, so they are forced to be good in order to chat with teammates, or turn it off in the options settings prior to entering games. This would fix a large amount of the toxicity you see in your game, Riot. Unfortunately, you don't know how to prevent it and instead of going about it the right way, you permanently ban these players and therefore lose $. That is the flaw in your game and my simple solution would save your company a lot of money and make a lot of players happy.

I'm never going to return to this game though. It will eventually be bested, so I can put this genre off or just play HOTS, which is better in many regards.

Good luck Riot, hopefully you will fix your game. Hire some competent staff, etc.

38 Comments

Colgate Gator12/2/2015, 10:56:55 PM10 votes

Since you said that you have been perma'd twice, maybe you should consider you're the one with issues and not the game. Instead of saying that the game should not let you type, you shouldn't type at all by yourself, have some self-control.

I enjoy the casually social aspect of the game (as long as there aren't dysfunctional ragers around) so I wouldn't like if the game locked up the chat just so people who can't control their rage won't be a nuisance, that's exactly why I mute, report and move on.

Actually, Riot probably wants you to move to other game, seeing that you are already beeing punished in your third account with chat restrictions, we need not of your ilk polluting our matches with your ragefits.

Live2LetDie12/2/2015, 10:53:20 PM9 votes

/mute does. It's sad you think there is a scenario where you are justified being toxic lol

Kãtãrinã12/2/2015, 10:58:45 PM7 votes

Or... or, learn self control. I've been banned before for being toxic. Guess what i learned to actually control myself from typing. Now if im mad i say it at the screen or i just don't say anything at all and get over it. That simple. You have to learn to adapt and yes i agree some people re thin skinned but oh well just cause you thought X play was dumb doesn't give you the right to flame that person.

ThePartyLeader12/2/2015, 11:34:59 PM4 votes

You say two things that I want to highlight. 1 you say something about a competitive environment with a lot at stake. All that is "at stake" is imaginary points on a video game. Not sure how that is a lot. 2 you mention people having thin skin. I can't stand when people say things like this. Why should someone else spend there free time getting verbally abused by people? It's like if you played basketball with someone for fun but when you miss a shot he says " Micheal Jordan would have made that! " then kicks you on the dick. There's no reason in life you should not be kind to other human beings unless you are in a violent or hostile situation.

Malza12/3/2015, 4:00:32 AM3 votes

You'll just get banned there too, might as well go straight to DotA 2.

Stephenizgod12/2/2015, 11:49:24 PM3 votes

Instead of trying to understand these players

Some of the things i have seen just recently:

"you are garbage, enjoy failing at everything you do"
"this trash [blank], f@cking noob"
"wow do us all a favor and kill yourself"
"you suck anyways, quit and uninstall plz thank you"
"f@ck this f@cking trashy [blank] f@cking noob needs to f@cking die"
"I'll rape your mother like im raping you"
"can't carry these retards"
"are you autistic? cuz you are a f*cking retard"
"shut up you n!gger %%%got"

Yea no thanks, you guys can enjoy being banned, i don't want to try to understand you. Maybe being banned twice, possibly three times judging by this post idk i couldnt finish reading your bullshit, is your fault? I mean do you honestly lack the self control to just not type? This isn't a problem with the game, its a problem with you, you need to learn to control yourself like an adult. Part of growing up is learning you can't act however you want, there are way more severe consequences and not just for yourself. This game is indeed competitive but it doesn't force you to type things like the above, thats all you. Plus Riot even states in their Summoners Code that you will be punished for being toxic, thats like robbing a bank and then complaining when you go to jail... Good Bye

Decimate My Foes12/2/2015, 11:31:17 PM2 votes

Lol guys. Thank you for completely missing the point of my post. I understand why I was permanently banned twice. I'm not angry, I don't even regret anything, except of course the money and time wasted on this game. My point was, in any competitive game and given the circumstances of ranked play with complete strangers, it's expected to have toxic behavior. For people like me, who are very good at games and focus on winning, it's inevitable. I can't "not" be toxic. I have tried. If there was an option to disable the chat then there would have been 0 reason to ban either of my accounts. That is the solution I'm recommending because Riot feels like there's no other way to stop toxic behavior, when 99% of the time, that behavior is due to the chatroom. They aren't griefing, they are just venting their frustration. Like humans do. Therefore, by restricting access to the chat, they will be forced to find another way to vent, or let them turn it off before entering games, as to prevent themselves from venting that way. That's my point. I'm happy you're a perfect human being able of conducting themselves IN A GAME without letting the stress or competitiveness get to you. Congratulations. I wasn't able to and as a result, my account with tons of skins and fun memories was banned. I'm aware of why I was banned. That is why I made this post, which I expected it to have the negative reception that it does because I have read other topics similar to this one and the response is generally the same. Thank you to those who read and understood the intent of my post and I hope Riot will find a better way to moderate their game. Chat is not necessary for communication. Pings works well enough. My only hope is that as a result of me being banned, Riot would implement this feature to prevent others from being banned as I was. I know the fun this game brings... and the stress... and that adds to the fun. So I would hate to know that others are being banned as I was, unable to enjoy the game because that feature doesn't exist. God bless guys, have fun.

EvilDustMan12/2/2015, 10:56:26 PM2 votes

Let's see a reform card.

JARmates12/3/2015, 3:59:13 AM2 votes

These thread never get old does it?

Theodoros12/2/2015, 11:18:03 PM2 votes

Decimate - I agree with you to some extent. I think that you are right that in competitive games, some form of "trash talk" is almost inevitable. I don't see the harm in trash talk saying things like "Haha, outplayed!". I see the toxicity issue arising being when swearing, bashing, and other hateful comments are made.

I don't know whether or not "disabling chat" would rectify the issue. It would still affect communication. I wouldn't mind if Riot introduced a new game mode where communication could only exist through pings. This would make it a more even playing field.

I wish you the best of luck in whatever games you play in the future, and in life.

ModUlanopo12/3/2015, 2:14:59 AM2 votes

I enjoy the game but I dislike how you aren't allowed to enjoy the game because everyone has a thin skin.

"I really hate it when I go to a funeral and they get all mad when I pull out the corpse and parade it around the room like a squishy mannequin."

Sound ridiculous? So does arguing that it's okay to be a jerk.

Decimate My Foes12/3/2015, 3:44:00 AM2 votes

I'm so glad you idiots don't run the world. Thank goodness the Tribunal is only limited to this level of power. Cause we'd all be fucked otherwise. Seriously the stupidest mother fuckers I've ever laid eyes on. Thank you Riot for banning me! On to better things.

Kazaashi12/2/2015, 11:00:28 PM2 votes

Sounds like an ol' PEBCAC issue. Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.

Bye bye!

FreeVolibear1/20/2017, 3:13:46 PM1 votes

One troll to rule them all...

SmokedAlmonds12/3/2015, 12:01:15 AM1 votes

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But I disagree that they are indicators of bad design. They are indicators that you chose the wrong game to play, and it seems like you realize that. People want different things. No one is trying to pass laws here to make these global rules for everything. Its a game that wants to provide a specific experience.