Permanently Banned

Zarte Is Bored · 2016-09-12T22:09:52.230Z

Hello. I've recently been permanently banned for "extreme nature of toxic behavior", but was I really toxic? Honestly, I'm standing here in unbelief by all of this. Is this what it comes down to in the end, having that one bad game where you must say something to your teammates and try to reason with them, just to get automatically suspended after? I swear I was not toxic, if anyone was, it's "Leona" and "Xin Zhao" in my team. I can describe the whole game which made me get "banned" but I want to keep it short as possible. I did not say even one offensive words, but still angry teammates reported me and instant feedback got me banned. Please review this, I've been playing for a very long time. Whether you lift this ban or not, it's not really that important to me, I just can't stand injustice, and I took my time to submit this out of the pure reason that it happens a lot to others too. Here's the chat log. Game 1 Zarte Is Bored: jelde haha Zarte Is Bored: ne igraju je ljudi Zarte Is Bored: ne znaju Zarte Is Bored: xin instead of talking do smth Zarte Is Bored: lele Zarte Is Bored: sure bruh Zarte Is Bored: XIN Zarte Is Bored: DEFF 1ST BLOOD DUDE Zarte Is Bored: GO MID Zarte Is Bored: u know Zarte Is Bored: flaming won't make me play better Zarte Is Bored: xd Zarte Is Bored: whatever Zarte Is Bored: lose Zarte Is Bored: like i care Zarte Is Bored: :D Zarte Is Bored: at least im making u mad Zarte Is Bored: 0/3 promo i lose nothing changes Zarte Is Bored: tho u r so mad Zarte Is Bored: ur parents prolly don't love u Zarte Is Bored: xd im the only one not flaming in this team, except for aurelion Zarte Is Bored: check my last games Zarte Is Bored: and decide if im boosted Zarte Is Bored: if u r so interested Zarte Is Bored: pls. Zarte Is Bored: don't bother flaming mates, i'll report u after Zarte Is Bored: now muted Zarte Is Bored: :D Zarte Is Bored: leona Zarte Is Bored: don't u have anything better to do in ur life than flame players? Zarte Is Bored: if this game is lost for u Zarte Is Bored: go to yt, watch smth Zarte Is Bored: please Zarte Is Bored: yh Zarte Is Bored: proves ur age Zarte Is Bored: it's 10 right Zarte Is Bored: yy Zarte Is Bored: xin u had 1 job, and that was to make sure i snowball Zarte Is Bored: instead Zarte Is Bored: u farm Zarte Is Bored: and let teemo hit the ball Zarte Is Bored: u all seem to be 12 years old so no point in trying to teach u smth Zarte Is Bored: i had 5 win streak before this, i bet xin had like 8 loss streak, dying to find out after this math Zarte Is Bored: match Zarte Is Bored: i was carried lucian? dude check out my acc and then talk Zarte Is Bored: bad games happen Zarte Is Bored: especially when ur jng doesn't do anything Zarte Is Bored: i guess someone can rage so much to flame like this only because they don't have life outside of lol but whatever, wp anyway Zarte Is Bored: zaboli me cosak ba haha, jebes 1 gejm

Palmeiras SerieBSep 12, 20161 votes

In my opinion, the feedback system, despite being an improvement compared to what we had before (nothing), still very limited.

As only the people in the last match before a punishment receive feedback, most of the people don't get any feedback and some of them never had received one at all since the system was created.

SarutobiSep 13, 20162 votes

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In my opinion, the feedback system, despite being an improvement compared to what we had before (nothing), still very limited.

As only the people in the last match before a punishment receive feedback, most of the people don't get any feedback and some of them never had received one at all since the system was created.

In my opinion it is something that does need to be improved on. At the very least their main concern was that people might not want to see a feedback all the time. And in my opinion the best way to deal with that is to just make an option to opt out of that.

I've reported tons of people who legitimately ruins my games and I have only seen the feedback once. I do believe in this system and I know it works because I come on these boards often. But that's not the case for other people!

scazzmanSep 12, 20163 votes

what i mean by robotic response. is that people get emotional. and i think riot has forgotten this. many players. myself included. try VERY hard not to flame. however have issues stopping due to self control problems. and then the paranoia sets in. "did he report me" "will next game get me chat restricted" elevating stress levels and making people more likely to respond to said trolls via flame and reporting the troll doesnt undo the LP you've lost. and you see forum posts of people bragging about intentionally feeding all the way to 30 and not getting banned because they dont type. and then theres the issue of report baiting. where players will deliberatly provoke players before they get a chance to mute them. riling them up for the purpose of reporting them after the game. i also dont feel like players should be banned for "passive aggressive chat" then theres the issue of asking for reports. riot has already confirmed that hidden report weight exists. saying that people who "falsely report" gradually lose report score. and riot wont say what determines a "false report" for fear of people gaming the system. so all we know is its simply based on numbers and the more you report people. the less of them trigger reviews. so if people think their reports are worthless just because they report a lot. what are they going to do? ask for reports

scazzmanSep 12, 20161 votes

also. many "unsportsmanlike players" are simply people who are tired of having thier games thrown due to lack of caring or lack of skill by thier teammates and simply gotten sick of it. i feel like riot is more focused on shutting people up rather then actually fixing the real issues with the game

Zarte Is BoredSep 12, 20161 votes

That's totally true. I admit I've done the same as many others, was made angry, flamed, and I agree I don't deserve to play this game if that kind of behavior is unacceptable by this company's standards. But man, it's just silly, even more because people won't look into some stuff. This game is simply a time kill and something to entertain yourself with of course, but as dunkey said, it looks like they want people to act like robots. Oh and don't forget, "every year countless number of people die from rage induced strokes caused by league of legends, then at their funerals riot bans them for being toxic".

ModPrandineSep 12, 20163 votes

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That's totally true. I admit I've done the same as many others, was made angry, flamed, and I agree I don't deserve to play this game if that kind of behavior is unacceptable by this company's standards. But man, it's just silly, even more because people won't look into some stuff. This game is simply a time kill and something to entertain yourself with of course, but as dunkey said, it looks like they want people to act like robots. Oh and don't forget, "every year countless number of people die from rage induced strokes caused by league of legends, then at their funerals riot bans them for being toxic".

Riot doesn't expect people to act like robots, they just expect people to interact with others in a neutral or positive manner, or just /mute all if they're unable to do so without being a jerk. Also. you do realize that dunkey got banned due to consistently poor behavior right? Heck, even Lyte himself commented on it back when he still worked at Riot Games:

What do you think about vgdunkey's ban?

It's really unfortunate. Many Rioters love Dunkey's content, and I've unloaded my share of "Not even close babyyyyy" jokes around the office; however, we really can't show favoritism to someone just because they are a pro or a known content creator. This isn't really a debate about whether trashtalking is OK or not OK in games; we've talked a lot in the past about how we're OK with players bantering with their friends but you should be careful when interacting with strangers who may not understand your intentions--especially if you're using hate speech or slurs. We have a zero tolerance policy against hate speech, racism, homophobia, and sexism and that policy stands whether you're a random player, a pro player, or a Youtube celebrity.

This also really wasn't a case about intentional feeders and whether it's OK to be toxic towards other toxic players--there wasn't even a Malphite in the game that got him banned and either way, retaliation just isn't OK because it makes the experience worse for everyone else in the game.

We know that players have been asking us to be more aggressive against intentional feeders for awhile, and it has taken us a bit longer than we'd like. We do consider gameplay toxicity just as serious as verbal toxicity, and are launching a new Intentional Feeder Detection system in 5.18 that can ban feeders within 15 minutes of matches. We're starting with conservative settings to make sure the system would not ban players for having the rare bad game, even if it was a 0-10 type of bad game but this is a great first step to aggressively tackling intentional feeders.

At the end of the day, this incident sucks for everyone. We respect that Dunkey hasn't posted his Reform Card, and I'm not going to post it either. Best wishes to him in the future.

ChaoticGodsLOLSep 14, 20161 votes

No, the only way to not be punished by the extremely bullshit system that riot lyte has put into place is to simply play with 3-4 other friends, or never talk in chat. If you talk like a normal human being, you have a 100% chance to be banned due to how the community believes reporting people for no reason is acceptable. "Hey you should have built this to counter this champion" is toxic by most peoples standards whenever they are playing.

ModPrandineSep 14, 2016

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No, the only way to not be punished by the extremely bullshit system that riot lyte has put into place is to simply play with 3-4 other friends, or never talk in chat. If you talk like a normal human being, you have a 100% chance to be banned due to how the community believes reporting people for no reason is acceptable. "Hey you should have built this to counter this champion" is toxic by most peoples standards whenever they are playing.

Maybe for people who give their "advice" in the form of raging and insults, but for the majority of other players in the game that is simply just not true. I've been playing since Snowdown Showdown Season 2 and I often talk quite a bit in my games (usually things gameplay related like "fizz flash down" or "mid mia" or things of that nature") and I have never been warned nor banned (and before you say it, no I do not have a group of friends that I play with on a regular basis). How? Because I don't do or say things that I know will get me in trouble.

If you behave like a jerk who rages at and harasses their teammates when things don't go their way then yes you will be punished. If you behave like a decent human being though and don't rage in the chat or troll via gameplay then you won't have to worry about being punished. If you need to vent then do so at the screen and not in chat.

Again, you can use chat, you just can't use it to rage and flame at people. If it's not helpful, respectful or constructive then just don't press enter. From Riot Tantram:

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

ChaoticGodsLOLSep 15, 20161 votes

Would like to respond with this. Forgot to mention that i say a lot of slang, computer jargon, and curse words whenever i talk. I will often greet my friends with whats up %%%got, and we do it all the time. So i will say enough things like lets get that fucking dragon, or lets get that shit or similer things all the time. But due to the bullshit robot reporting system, it comprehends it as me being toxic. I do not rage my team mates (who btw i have carried in almost every game look at match history) i simply just talk with a lot of slang.

ModPrandineSep 15, 2016

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Would like to respond with this. Forgot to mention that i say a lot of slang, computer jargon, and curse words whenever i talk. I will often greet my friends with whats up %%%got, and we do it all the time. So i will say enough things like lets get that fucking dragon, or lets get that shit or similer things all the time. But due to the bullshit robot reporting system, it comprehends it as me being toxic. I do not rage my team mates (who btw i have carried in almost every game look at match history) i simply just talk with a lot of slang.

In regards with your talk with friends, are you all in a full pre-made or are you in a 2-4-man premade with a random player along with you? If it's the former and your friends report you for fun (I've read threads where people claim that they and their friends report each other for fun) then that might be a problem, since the IFS doesn't differentiate between friends and strangers. From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

"I should not have been banned for bantering with my friends."

Just as Riot filters out numbers in many cases, they have a program that detects and removes banter between friends. (source (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=27042870#post27042870))

This is probably news to most people, but friendly banter is hidden from Tribunal in most cases... so you never see it in a case. This is partially why sometimes in a case file, it might look like there is missing chat or context.

If it's the latter then if you don't make it known that you're joking then that's the problem. Strangers won't know that you're joking when using that kind of language if you don't make it known that you are joking.

Either way I'm pretty sure that it's not slang that's the problem. I don't know if you've received a punishment or not but if you have then please post your entire unedited Reform Card in its own separate thread so as not to clutter up this one right here.

scazzmanSep 12, 20162 votes

also the statement that the large majority of players dont take part i believe is untrue. they simply play in full premades and dont get reported

Nik NikersonSep 13, 20165 votes

If you're playing in a full premade, what would be the motivation for actually flaming your own friends?

DarkRitualSep 13, 20161 votes

The are 0/5 building armor against Ryze in top lane.

LMDR19Sep 12, 20161 votes

I call a farse on this ... just like the loading screen stats, those are absolutely not accurate at all. Try leveling in this mess, it's an definite hilarious nightmare.

ModPrandineSep 13, 20162 votes

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I call a farse on this ... just like the loading screen stats, those are absolutely not accurate at all. Try leveling in this mess, it's an definite hilarious nightmare.

Your results may vary, but may I suggest playing with friends or even just some co-op vs. ai? Those might help you out a little bit when it comes to avoiding allot of the toxicity flowing around at the lower levels of the game.

Dominick DestineSep 13, 20163 votes

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It's not a robotic response, it's a consistent response.

I was hit with a zero-to-permaban by you Rioters. Care to explain how that is a "consistent response"?

YOU even admitted that it was manually performed in complete violation of standard protocol. It was easily the worst thing Riot ever did to me and it was not consistent with protocol.

FurriesAreHotSep 13, 20166 votes

Holy shit dude, get over it already, you should be happy you were lucky enough to get it reduced

Unstoppable MonkSep 13, 20162 votes

It would make my day if Rito trolls him by changing his name to Boosted Destine.

Horse GrenadesSep 13, 20161 votes

Chat logs or it didnt happen

RiotRiot TantramSep 13, 20169 votes

Manual reviews are normal, standard, and are not in violation of anything.

Dominick DestineSep 14, 20163 votes

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Manual reviews are normal, standard, and are not in violation of anything.

1- That's not what I said. You are cherry picking the one part of my comment that was absent of the point.

2- A manual review that strikes a player with a zero-to-permaban punishment when it is not appropriate is absolutely in violation of disciplinary and ethical protocol.

3- The fact that the permaban was later overturned is evidence of #2.

I was unjustly punished, unlike most of the people of this board subsection I was actually unjustly punished and you remained quiet during my case despite my constant requests for your aid. I am hugely disappointed that your only response to me for these past few months was the above quoted.

Awkward CouchSep 14, 20162 votes

Considering he's a software engineer and not part of the PB&M it's likely he doesn't know what happened with your case, especially if it was a manual review.

TrulyBlandSep 14, 20163 votes

What do you think "consistency" is supposed to mean in this context? Never making a mistake? Because then you simply have a different definition of the word in this context.

And you keep claiminng that it has been a "violation of protocol". What protocol? Which protocol was specifically violated? I mean, in words. What is Riot's "disciplinary and ethical protocol"?

Hell, even if you admit that such a protocol would exist, it would speak for Riot's consistency, in that they have a consistent protocol. That's all they can do. That and fixing cases when mistakes are made.

You have absolutely unrealistic standards when it comes to "consistency". You even feel "singled out" when a Rioter on the forums doesn't do more than his job by looking into your case personally.

Dominick DestineSep 14, 20161 votes

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What do you think "consistency" is supposed to mean in this context? Never making a mistake?

This was not a mistake, someone deliberately pulled the trigger, against me specifically. The Rioter didn't 'accidentally' click on my case and then 'accidentally' hit zero-to-permaban.

It needed a second review by one of the other Rioters for the zero-to-permaban punishment to be overturned. You call that a "mistake"? put a man on death row and then tell that man that "Oh, it was a 'mistake'" see how he responds... there are safeguards specifically to prevent this kind of thing, it's called ethical and disciplinary protocol.

And you keep claiminng that it has been a "violation of protocol". What protocol? Which protocol was specifically violated? I mean, in words. What is Riot's "disciplinary and ethical protocol"?

To follow a sequence of punishments escalating from chat restriction up to permanent ban after a long time of unimproved behavior. A Rioter is not supposed to zero-to-permaban someone on a whim.

Or, as I speculate, in retaliation for some perceived slight.

You have absolutely unrealistic standards when it comes to "consistency". You even feel "singled out" when a Rioter on the forums doesn't do more than his job by looking into your case personally.

How is it "Unrealistic standards" when Riot Tantram himself has done for many others what I asked him to do for me? do you not understand this concept? it's not complicated.

TrulyBlandSep 14, 20162 votes

So, where's your proof that it was deliberate? For somebody who has just recently been falsely punished, you are quite quick to condemn. And yes, I call it a mistake. The severity of a mistake doesn't change the fact that it is a mistake. And safeguards fail, because, again, mistakes happen. There is no such thing as 0% risk.

And this here?

To follow a sequence of punishments escalating from chat restriction up to permanent ban after a long time of unimproved behavior.

That's just straight up wrong. There have been instant permabans since ever, and they're here to stay. This is literally what Tantram was trying to explain to you.

Manual reviews are normal, standard, and are not in violation of anything.

And that includes manual escalation of punishment.

And lastly:

How is it "Unrealistic standards" when Riot Tantram himself has done for many others what I asked him to do for me? do you not understand this concept? it's not complicated.

It's unrealistic because he still doesn't reply to all of them. You're asking for consistency... well, the vast majority of such things is handled by support, not by Rioters on the forums. So the consistent thing was not to give you special treatment. It's not that complicated.

Dominick DestineSep 14, 20161 votes

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So, where's your proof that it was deliberate?

Are you trolling? do you even know what the words "manual review into zero-to-permaban" mean? this was not automated. Someone specifically, MANUALLY, chose to hit me with a zero-to-permaban.

This was deliberate, by definition.

And yes, I call it a mistake. The severity of a mistake doesn't change the fact that it is a mistake.

You must be very young... a mistake is when someone accidentally forgets their wallet at home. A mistake is not deliberate , doubly so when in order for the so-called 'mistake' to occur, one must violate a series of safeguards.

If you walk down a corridor and it says "Do not enter", that might be a mistake... but reaching a door, picking the lock and getting to the other side would not be a 'mistake', it would be a deliberate action.

That's just straight up wrong. There have been instant permabans since ever, and they're here to stay. This is literally what Tantram was trying to explain to you.

Correct on the first part, horrendously incorrect on the second.

1- Permabans have been here since late season 1 , early season 2, yes.

2- Zero-to-permaban, ESPECIALLY FOR "Toxicity", are very rare and have not "Always been here since ever". They began in late S3 and really started to be applied since S4 when Riot began "cracking down on toxicity".

3- Zero-to-permaban are reserved, according to Riot themselves, for the most ultra extreme toxicity fringe cases which mine was not. It was not even close... two different Rioters directly told me that my toxicity was mostly low to moderate and certainly not justifiable zero-to-permaban levels, there is a reason the permaban was later overturned.

It's unrealistic because he still doesn't reply to all of them.

Absolutely irrelevant, earlier you said it was 'unrealistic' which does not follow with what you are saying now, keep moving those goalposts though.

The level of egregiousness of a case has always been one of the main draws of Riot Tantram's inquiry, mine being at the maximum level should have gotten me aid but it did not, he went out of his way to not assist me and that was very disheartening, as a loyal player for many years I finally realized that Riot didn't care.

TrulyBlandSep 14, 20161 votes

And once again, you manage to not adress a single point I made, elegantly misrepresenting them one at a time, and acting as if your definition of things are the only objective truth.

"Deliberate" is not an absolute term. A deliberate action can have unintended consequences, be done based on false information, not take into account information, etc. etc. etc.

There's a difference between a doctor deliberately killing a patient (which would be murder), and a doctor deliberately deciding for a treatment, which resulted in the death of a patient due to incompetence.

And just like that, there's a difference between deliberately punishing you unjustly, and deliberately giving you a punishment that happened to be unjust.

Also, since we now seem to suddenly agree that zero-to-permabans are not a violation of protocol in principel, want to answer that question I asked again?

And you keep claiminng that it has been a "violation of protocol". What protocol? Which protocol was specifically violated? I mean, in words. What is Riot's "disciplinary and ethical protocol"?

As a reminder, here was your reply:

To follow a sequence of punishments escalating from chat restriction up to permanent ban after a long time of unimproved behavior.

Given that you admit that zero-to-permabans (quite the opposite of a "permaban after a long time of unimproved behaviour") have been a thing for a while now, you admit that your answer back then was bullshit.

Also, I have yet to see the Rioters explaining to you that your toxicity was "mostly low to moderate". I still doubt it, given taht your permaban was overturned, but a 14-day ban (which is still escalated punishment) was kept in place.

And finally: You claim I'm moving the goal post, but I'm not. My point has been:

You have absolutely unrealistic standards when it comes to "consistency". You even feel "singled out" when a Rioter on the forums doesn't do more than his job by looking into your case personally.

And that is still my point. You pointing out that Tantram does these things on a regular basis, doesn't change the fact that it is not standard protocol. It doesn't change the fact that most people do not get that luxury. And it especially doesn't change the fact that you have not been singled out, just because YOU believe you are entitled to it. The egregiousness of your case is neither an objective truth, nor was it even determined at the time. You wanted Tantram to look into it, so obviously he hadn't yet. How was he supposed to know that it was so "egregious" that it deserved special treatment?

And I'll be honest... with your absurd sense of entitlement, combined with your immense paranoia, I probably wouldn't even reply to your posts, if I were a Rioter, because it's impossible to please you anyway. The world doesn't revolve around you. You neither deserve the super special attention you crave so much, nor are you the target of "retaliation strikes" by "rogue employees".

Dominick DestineSep 14, 20161 votes

Alright, let's end your nonsense.

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And once again, you manage to not adress a single point I made

Except I addressed every single one of your arguments. Next.

A deliberate action can have unintended consequences, be done based on false information, not take into account information, etc. etc. etc.

None of that is relevant.

Refer to the example I used; You can walk down a corridor you are not supposed to walk through by accident, you cannot reach the end, pick the lock and bypass a security door 'by accident'. The zero-to-permaban punishment did not occur by accident, it was deliberate.

since we now seem to suddenly agree that zero-to-permabans are not a violation of protocol in principel

And I said zero-to-permaban was a violation of protocol when.....? your strawman argument is noted and dismissed.

Also, I have yet to see the Rioters explaining to you that your toxicity was "mostly low to moderate".

Then perhaps you should look into it, my thread was at the top of the list for over 10 days with many responses and a copy paste from every interaction I had with Riot members.... including the one that specifically stated that my permaban would be overturned as my behavior did not even come close to qualifying for the ultra rare zero-to-permaban.

It's not difficult, it's not complicated.

I still doubt it, given taht your permaban was overturned, but a 14-day ban (which is still escalated punishment) was kept in place.

Which was wrong and a violation of protocol.

And finally: You claim I'm moving the goal post, but I'm not.

Except you have, multiple times... you use strawman arguments and red herrings to pretend like you are making headway but you're just talking absolute nonsense (Ex: Accusing me of saying that zero-to-permaban cases are automatically wrong rather than me talking about my case specifically, which is what I was doing from the beginning with zero ambiguity).

And that is still my point. You pointing out that Tantram does these things on a regular basis

Disproves your nonsensical argument and reinforces mine. Yes.

The egregiousness of your case is neither an objective truth

Except that it is, I had never even heard of someone being hit with a zero-to-permaban with low to moderate (At most) toxicity. Every single zero-to-permaban case I'd seen was people that were ultra toxic which I was not. There is a reason my case was one of the rare ones that is overturned.

nor was it even determined at the time.

Except it was, which is why the punishment-under-false-pretenses was overturned.

You wanted Tantram to look into it

Yes. Finally you understand at least one thing.

And I'll be honest... with your absurd sense of entitlement

Do you even know what a "sense of entitlement" is? I highly doubt it.

I have been punished before and even had an account permabanned in S2. I had no need to even make a thread on the forums because I knew exactly why I had gotten banned, I was warned many times that a permaban was coming but I ignored the warnings. The difference then and in this case was that in this case I had nothing remotely resembling what constitutes zero-to-permaban behavior and had not been punished in years.

Zero-to-permaban is reserved for the ultra rare fraction of an already small fraction of a percent. The ultra toxic players of which I am not, even by Riot's admission I am only low levels of toxicity on the scale.

combined with your immense paranoia

Evidence of above quoted where? oh yeah nowhere. Next.

The world doesn't revolve around you.

What a nonsensical statement.

Let's clarify; Being in the correct website, in the correct board subsection, with the correct information, requesting a review from the correct person, who does that kind of thing on a regular basis I might add, when my case is ultra-egregious is not "the world revolves around me" behavior.

If I were worthy of such an extreme punishment, I would accept it. I was not, I was mistreated by Riot. This is not debatable. At this juncture I would like to know why they chose to do such a thing to me but I have no illusions or hopes that they will ever answer the question.

If they refused to aid me when my account was hit with a zero-to-permaban punishment under false pretenses/by what I speculate to be a rogue Rioter that abused his power.... then I doubt they will ever even answer the question. I had great faith in Riot prior to this incident even though I had been permabanned before, but after their atrocious mistreatment of me coupled with giving me the cold shoulder (Radio silence during the debacle) eliminated the faith I previously had.

Betraying a loyal player for no reason is wrong.

TrulyBlandSep 14, 20161 votes

And I said zero-to-permaban was a violation of protocol when.....? your strawman argument is noted and dismissed.

funny, how I explained where you said that EXACTLY AFTER THE PORTION YOU QUOTED.

The entire answers to questions you ask in this way too long post of yours, are between the very lines you post.

And you still claim that words like "egregious" are objective.

And you wonder why Riot doesn't talk to you. You appear to be basically illiterate and you believe that your opinion is objective truth. Your ego is so huge you are literally incapable of understanding another person's point of view.

themachampSep 13, 20161 votes

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It's not a robotic response, it's a consistent response. Consistence is important, but I am welcome to hearing how this "perpetuates the problem". People are responsible for their own behavior. They are not accountable for anyone but themselves. Everything is 100% within their own control.

You're making a rather blanket statement that isn't really true. The people that take matters into their own hands are by and large unsportsmanlike players. The very very very large majority of players of do not take part in this behavior. It is a very small subset of people that create negative experiences for others.

Just curious.....when you say "player base...or vast majority" do you use every single acct in existence? Cause that's the only way some of the numbers riot says can possibly work >>

MaxDarkwillSep 13, 20161 votes

I hide the chat completly at the bottom right corner of my screen its almost impossible to bring it back so now I can't really post much so I won't bother typing if I don't see what I write haha

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