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The Inting Problem

ISONORMUS··12 votes·1,352 views

League has a huge problem with inting, and it's become more apparent to me over my last several games. I'm not sure why but over the course of my last 10 games, I have had one person int in each and every one. Most of the time these people will go 0/8/0 within the first 10 minutes ensuring a loss for our team. I have now successfully lost 10 games in a row and have been demoted from Bronze II to Bronze V over the course of 3 days. By end game the these people usually have no fewer than 18 or 19 deaths (usually 20-30), and it's made me hate playing league. I cant stand this nonsensical bull crap anymore. Riot needs to develop a system where in those who get stuck with not just bad people but those personally inting, lose less lp or something. These usually have symptoms too prior to the game, like having someone pick a darius with heal and barrier into a swain top. There are many ways riot can get around this crap like with allowing your team to ban during champ select, or even allowing an early game forfeit feature with less lp lost. I've dedicated time and money to this game only to get slapped with half-assed changes that don't fix the problem.

As a side note I play ranked duo with a bot (im supp) and can usually carry with her, but having 10 deaths by 10 mins gives the top, mid, and jg, a lot of room to roam and then progressively gank 4 man bot. Im not a toxic person, and usually try and mediate team toxicity, but this is causing me to become toxic as these people progressively tank game after game after game. IMO Riot is propagating toxicity and I'm more likely to experience a ban for toxic behavior than those who keep inting game after game. Riot needs to get their priorities straight rather than trying to cater to the largest audience they can.

Edit: Just as an assurance that these people arent just bad, I will follow them and ping warnings but often I find these people run straight into the enemy jg with no vision and try 1 v 5 ing.

21 Comments

Jo0o4 votes

By "inting", do you actually mean people specifically trying to lose the game for their team by INTENTIONALLY dying? Or do you mean people simply playing very, very poorly?

Because shit, League is an unforgiving game sometimes. I'm sure we've all gotten snowballed on in top lane and, isolated from the rest of the game, wound up giving away far too many kills in a desperate attempt to at least get some CS and not simply AFK. Disciplined players may recognize when to not fight and to simply farm under turret to the best of their ability, but hey, Bronze players generally aren't "disciplined".

It's really hard to punish players for being awful. I mean, how would you do it, in a way that was fair?

Side note: Try not duoing bot lane to climb out of Bronze. I'm a support main as well and I realize the attractive nature of duoing a lane with your buddy, but it's often just better to play from two positions on the map at once. That way, you have two different people positioned to carry the game instead of just the ADC.

ISONORMUS2 votes

I kept thinking it was just bad gameplay, but not so much anymore. When the number of deaths a teammate has goes double digits the first 10 mins I cant believe it's just bad gameplay. Also when you're choosing the wrong summoners and masteries, I'd like to think it's a troll. That most people are actually trying. And yes I've stopped duoing with her, but prior to this stretch we've had an 80% winning rate as we can usually get first blood and push lane hard enough to keep jg pressure off the other lanes.

Jo0o2 votes

Yeah, but the game never really tells us what the "right" summoners and masteries are. That's learned information.

Personally, I had a couple gold/silver roommates teach me the game, and they made it pretty easy to understand the metagame tendencies of which masteries/summoners to take for various roles. Not everybody gets that kind of coaching, and the game doesn't really offer up any direction in that regard.

I observed a Bronze 4 friend of mine in a game a week ago, and it was HAUNTING to watch. 0-1 total wards on the map at any given time, no Sightstones, 6/10 players not using boots, everybody with messy builds and random summoner spells, both support mages starting DORAN'S RING instead of Spellthief's, Nasus with Blade of the Ruined King... the list goes on.

My point is, this is a deceptively hard game to learn. Tilt and inexperience can lead a top laner to getting killed ten times in ten minutes, even when they have a basic understanding of builds. Take that away from them, and they could just be utterly screwed.

It's easy to forget that many/most video game players across all sorts of games don't consider "research" to be part of their experience. You and I may consult guides and tutorials and watch LCS players, but that's foreign to many.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

I'll also point out that inting doesn't even have to be a large number of deaths. If it is a close game and someone int feeds even 1 or two kills late that can be enough for the enemy to end while the rest of the team frantically fails to defend a 4v5.

MisterSki4 votes

Playing very poorly in a competitive game is just as bad, player's that are shitty consistently need to be relegated to bots for like 10 games

Jo0o2 votes

And what the fuck are bots games supposed to teach them about lane management, metagame summoner spell choices, proper runes and masteries, etc.?

Bots are TRASH in this game. The average Bronze player should be able to slaughter intermediate bots with ease. Beyond getting some practice last-hitting minions and figuring out what your abilities do, bots do very little to actually teach you how the game works.

ISONORMUS2 votes

How about they get banned to normal until they learn how to actually pay their champ? I don't think bots are the answer, but normal matches are there for a reason. No one expects you to be able to know how to play a champ on the first try, but people definitely have a way of choosing a champ they think is OP and getting utterly blown out of the water because it's only their third time playing Ekko

Jo0o3 votes

And who are you to make that judgment call?

What if the offending player is fine for their ELO, but is playing against a smurf and gets wrecked? What if they lag a bit and fall behind? What if they're camped? Hell, what if they're camped SPECIFICALLY to knock them back into normals by giving them a terrible score? What if they're just having bad games? What if they tilted?

You CANT ENFORCE REQUIREMENTS OF SKILL. It's that simple. I sympathize that you're sick of being let down by teammates, but that ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY until you yourself climb to an ELO that better suits your skill level.

And build sweepers after your sightstone when you're playing support =P Clearing wards is very important.

xX1EkkoisKobe3Xx1 votes

great idea

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

"just a bad game"

ISONORMUS2 votes

when you're teammates have 5 deaths in the first 5 mins, I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, not just a bad game. There is at least a level of common sense and awareness amongst people who are at least just having a bad game. No, I mean intentionally picking the worst champ into another champ, choosing the wrong summoners, and ignoring all pings and warnings and charging straight into a 1 v 5

Telephone Booth2 votes

I rarely see people intentionally feed. Like I've seen it less than 10 times in my 3 years or so playing this game. You saw it 10 times in one day. Wow. Keep in mind you're at the bottom of the barrel. You're playing with the worst of the worst. They're not all intentionally feeding. They're just the worst league players in the World that play ranked. Of course you're gonna have people with 20 deaths and dummies who run around the map with no sense of danger. They don't know how to play, that's why it's the lowest rank you can possibly be. Pick some carry champs and get your ass out of bronze. It shouldn't be that difficult if you're any good at the game.

Jo0o2 votes

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I rarely see people intentionally feed. Like I've seen it less than 10 times in my 3 years or so playing this game. You saw it 10 times in one day. Wow. Keep in mind you're at the bottom of the barrel. You're playing with the worst of the worst. They're not all intentionally feeding. They're just the worst league players in the World that play ranked. Of course you're gonna have people with 20 deaths and dummies who run around the map with no sense of danger. They don't know how to play, that's why it's the lowest rank you can possibly be. Pick some carry champs and get your ass out of bronze. It shouldn't be that difficult if you're any good at the game.

Yeah, pretty much this. Well said.

ISONORMUS2 votes

Yeah, like I said, demoted from Bronze II. I was almost out of that shit hole. And the thing is I main jg and support roles. Additionally trying to carry is near impossible when you give a single lane unlimited control to roam. How you have only managed to see 10 bad games in 3 years is utterly amazing. And I know they're the worst, but the lack of common sense when they charge into a 1v5 when your entire team is back at base is ridiculous.

Douglas Funnie2 votes

No matter what happens in a game. People will say, "that player was just having a bad game."

tribunalisrigged1 votes

the inflation doesn't make sense now does it 100,000,000 monthly players

tribunalisrigged1 votes

its funny people are only noticing these things now, people use do this this back in season 1,2,3 in large groups of people on ventrillo/skype

ISONORMUS2 votes

Haha I started playing season 2 I think, but never noticed it to the extent I am now. I think this may be the worst season on record.

FCJAAAAGOOOO1 votes

They'll int anyway, is my take on it. If your team is winning they'll int to "show off". If they're inevitably winning they'll post obnoxious things in chat. The only way to get rid of them is to show them no attention whatsoever. They don't deserve it.

Don't even post about them; they might visit here too!

Duchess Katarina1 votes

Right now this game is very snowbally, heck you could even leave the minions in a bad place, back and lose lane just like that. If you have the opportunity, try to roam and help out a lane, even if it's by just getting the enemy laner to back off/retreat to their turret to allow your teammate to farm a few minions. I know it's tough to roam, especially as a support, in the early few minutes of the game, but if you see an opportunity try to take it.

Scary Door1 votes

Do you have evidence that there is a "huge problem with intentionally feeding"? Any evidence that suggests the problem has grown?

I might see someone just run it down mid once every month to six weeks. It is unfortunate, it ruins games and, quite frankly, Riot rarely punishes it (as anyone that I have seen do it still has their account active). Nonetheless, I wouldn't say the problem has become worse, but if you have evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it.

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