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When reviewing reports for abusive chat. Can the riot employee see what other people are saying?

DeJuan·7/14/2018, 9:22:49 PM·1 votes·1,764 views

So, I get banned quite a bit. I've had accounts in other regions with chat bans, suspensions and the like. Mostly for flaming, one time for inting because my team REALLY ticked me off. But it dawned on me today, when reviewing reports for abusive chat does the riot employee see what other people are saying to me? Or do they genuinely not give a flying ****?

Like I can understand like half my bans, personally I can't help myself but flame most of the time it's just automatic when i see someone screw up so badly that I almost cant believe what i just saw, but then again I've been banned for just talking shit back to someone who was flaming me or the rest of my team and I feel if a riot employee could see everything they wouldn't ban me for it.

Again I'm under no impression that I don't deserve at least half my bans I can't help but flame the hell out of people when they make absurdly stupid plays or flame people back when they do it to me. But still the question is. Can riot employees not see what is being said to me? Or are they just so offended by bad words that they don't care who was at fault they throw ban hammers around like one would throw 1's at a hooker.

11 Comments

Chermorg7/14/2018, 9:39:35 PM9 votes

Riot employees can look at other players' chat during a review, but it is not considered in many of the cases. Each player is held responsible for what they say. Others' behavior is never an excuse for you to behave poorly. If you are feeling tempted to break rules because of what others are saying, you're free to mute them if you want.

Umbral Regent7/14/2018, 9:42:02 PM8 votes

To answer your question in two ways: Yes and no.

Yes, in that Riot can pull the chat logs from any player for any game - and Tantram himself has mentioned on occasion that he can pull the chatlogs of every player from a given game, but that it still wouldn't excuse the player in question from flaming back.

And no, in that the IFS is specifically coded to look only at the chat of the player it's reviewing - and nobody else's. The IFS was designed based on data taken from the Tribunal while it was around, and the vast majority of cases involving counterflamers or players responding with negativity to things resulted in punishments regardless of the reason for their flame/negativity.

EDIT: Also, try to avoid tasteless statements like that last sentence of your post. Just for future reference.

DuskDaUmbreon7/14/2018, 10:53:31 PM4 votes

They do. They can see it.

However, unless it's some extraordinary circumstance (Such as it's clearly a case of someone deliberately trying to bait you into saying something ban-worthy, and not necessarily then, either, because most of us already know whether or not something will trip the filter), it has absolutely 0 weight.

You're the one responsible for your own actions, not your teammates, not your opponents, not your jungler, not Baron, not your parents, internet, ISP, friends, telemarketers, boss, wife, husband, siblings, children, cousins, uncles, aunts, grandparents, any other relatives I may have missed, not me, Riot, the champion you're playing, the boards, the boards staff, or someone sitting in the same building as you. You are the sole person responsible for your actions, unless you can prove someone forced you to do it (You were never forced to retaliate in chat to them, by the way. I'm talking they threaten to kill you, or some other thing like that, unless you do some action. That is defensible).

Kei1437/14/2018, 11:06:35 PM3 votes

If the game is being manually reviewed, yes.

If the game is reviewed automatically (after every report), then no. As the automated system is programmed to review the behavior that got reported only. If you report the other person and the other person reports you, both will get reviewed.

That said, the system isn't a court system to see who was more toxic. It works punishes based on consistency x severity. So it doesn't just review that one game, it reviews that game plus many more in your past.

DeJuan7/15/2018, 5:47:20 AM1 votes

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So, I get banned quite a bit. I've had accounts in other regions with chat bans, suspensions and the like. Mostly for flaming, one time for inting because my team REALLY ticked me off. But it dawned on me today, when reviewing reports for abusive chat does the riot employee see what other people are saying to me? Or do they genuinely not give a flying ****?

Like I can understand like half my bans, personally I can't help myself but flame most of the time it's just automatic when i see someone screw up so badly that I almost cant believe what i just saw, but then again I've been banned for just talking shit back to someone who was flaming me or the rest of my team and I feel if a riot employee could see everything they wouldn't ban me for it.

Again I'm under no impression that I don't deserve at least half my bans I can't help but flame the hell out of people when they make absurdly stupid plays or flame people back when they do it to me. But still the question is. Can riot employees not see what is being said to me? Or are they just so offended by bad words that they don't care who was at fault they throw ban hammers around like one would throw 1's at a hooker.

Game 1 Pre-Game DeJuan: Well fuck DeJuan: i just loast both my best jgs DeJuan: in that DeJuan: Cannot belive DeJuan: Cannot belive DeJuan: both those fuckers DeJuan: took my 1 and 2 best jg's at the same time In-Game DeJuan: someone has been looking up guides DeJuan: that dance with kaisa is so autistic DeJuan: what do you mean DeJuan: i was miles away DeJuan: I DONT HAVE TIME TO BABYSIT YOUR LANE 24/7 MATE DeJuan: because you're always dead %%%% DeJuan: there really isnt enough time in teh day to deal with people like you DeJuan: shut DeJuan: your DeJuan: fucking DeJuan: mouth DeJuan: %%%% <3 DeJuan: they took my 2 best champs DeJuan: suck my fucking dick DeJuan: mid ints within the first few minutes DeJuan: instand TRASH JG DeJuan: Classic Lol DeJuan: Yeah i havent played well for most of the game but the second you died it was instantly my fault DeJuan: the unwritten rule of league is that you never lose your own lane. You jg does. DeJuan: literally just said i havent played well DeJuan: or are you fucking blind? DeJuan: No matter how many times i say i havent played well they continue to say it as if i didnt know DeJuan: Autism is a real problem these days DeJuan: Also said that my two best champs were taken but yeah nah dont pay attention at all.. DeJuan: WHAT OTHER CHOICE DO I HVAE DeJuan: you fucking braindead? DeJuan: i have so few champs DeJuan: Yes DeJuan: you are not toxic in the slightest DeJuan: not one bit DeJuan: not even 1% DeJuan: I literally give 0 fucks DeJuan: you wont surrender DeJuan: so why would i try Post-Game DeJuan: Report irelia for being a toxic %%%% DeJuan: thanks DeJuan: coming from the 1/6 vlad DeJuan: 1/6 ISNT MUCH BETTER DeJuan: YEAH DeJuan: Fucking retards DeJuan: i swear some people are just so fucked in the head DeJuan: that they cant read DeJuan: write DeJuan: or play DeJuan: without being an austitc %%%% Game 2 In-Game DeJuan: y'all %%%%%s be pushed in every time im bot DeJuan: how am i supposed to gank under tower as nidalle LUL DeJuan: i finally come and you guys are no where to be seen DeJuan: lul DeJuan: THAT FUCKING CHAMP DeJuan: FUCK ME %%%% DeJuan: Just tryna learn a new fucking champ and these sweat nerd try hard %%%%s be running at me DeJuan: 4th game nidalle DeJuan: quit crying becausr you cant lane against 2 sups LOL DeJuan: i mean losing because you're new to a mechanically challenging champ is less embarrasing than losing lane against 2 sups lul DeJuan: You lose lane DeJuan: against 2 sups DeJuan: you literally DeJuan: cannot speak DeJuan: i lose lose? DeJuan: life* DeJuan: you're 0/9 DeJuan: somehow DeJuan: I dont think you know how to english DeJuan: when you're 0/9 against 2 sups but its not your fault its the jgs DeJuan: feelsbadman DeJuan: Sorry my mistake DeJuan: when you're 0/10 against 2 sups but it can never be your fault DeJuan: double feelsbadman DeJuan: 0/19 DeJuan: in about 10 minutes DeJuan: 0/10 DeJuan: 0/10 DeJuan: 0/10 DeJuan: 0/10 DeJuan: 0/10 DeJuan: report xayah flame and 0/10 Post-Game DeJuan: When your adc goes 0/11 against 2 sups bot DeJuan: but its never bots fault DeJuan: its always the jg DeJuan: I mean im only new to this champ aye DeJuan: its pretty mechanically challenging DeJuan: but somehow this xayah goes 0/11 against TWO SUPS DeJuan: and has the GAUL to flame ME DeJuan: Yeah man DeJuan: You never lose a lane DeJuan: your jg loses your lane DeJuan: The unwritten rule of league: You can never lose your lane only your jg can lose your lane DeJuan: Yeah i was DeJuan: trying to learn new champ DeJuan: lol DeJuan: but this xayah over here losing to two sups DeJuan: 0/11 DeJuan: against TWO SUPS DeJuan: HOW CAN YOU TALK SHIT DeJuan: 0/11 DeJuan: AGAINST TWO SUPS DeJuan: You're hilarous DeJuan: AYE POT DeJuan: No he had plenty of impact on the game DeJuan: He fed the fuck out of you guys DeJuan: he was really tryna help you guys win DeJuan: AGAINST TWO FUCKING SUPS DeJuan: IMAGINE TALKING SHIT WHEN 0/11 DeJuan: LET ALONE AGAINST 2 SUPS DeJuan: He was so embarrased about losing lane to two sups that it was instantly the new jgs fault DeJuan: I was trash no doubt DeJuan: Eh i gotta have lunch soon DeJuan: add me tho and play after? DeJuan: I dont know how two sups win bot lane DeJuan: but impressive Game 3 Pre-Game DeJuan: lol In-Game DeJuan: stop bulling this child DeJuan: stop bullying this child draven DeJuan: WOT DeJuan: i was top DeJuan: LOL yeah guys mid is flaming DeJuan: Not draven at all DeJuan: hes clearly a great player DeJuan: how does he do so much fucking damage for only 3 kills DeJuan: fizz is such a busted champ DeJuan: straight up DeJuan: Yeah DeJuan: 30 cs should bean hes doing half my health pool every ability DeJuan: BECAUSE YOU GO OFF ON YOUR OWN SHUT YOUR MOUTH YOU FUCKING CHILD DeJuan: God you're autistic DeJuan: He goes off on his own DeJuan: cried that we are nubs lul DeJuan: its fine DeJuan: wtf is your ap right now DeJuan: that champ is beyond busted lul DeJuan: aha DeJuan: Yeah man its a really difficult champ DeJuan: Dont know how you deal with them mechanics DeJuan: idc DeJuan: Im here to learn DeJuan: Might as well keep playing DeJuan: yeah lol 6/13 talking about feeding DeJuan: Nah guys the draven got a handfull of kills he was clearing 1v9ing Post-Game DeJuan: Well i think we all agree to report this draven lol DeJuan: god DeJuan: i hate to say it DeJuan: because i sort of am one DeJuan: but typical draven main DeJuan: feeds and flames DeJuan: ok 7/14

I mean I don't think I should be banned for these. Sure I'm not nice in these but each case someone flamed me or my team and I fired back. First game Irelia mid died to brand within the first 4 minutes If i remember correctly and instantly flamed me for not baby sitting her. Game two xayah was losing lane against two sups (somehow) and flamed me for her inability to play the game. Game three a draven (who was clearly younger) kept going off on his down and dying and flamed us for not playing GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT with him at every single second of the game. Granted I know that you're supposed to protect your adc especially during the team fight stage but he ran off and died many times on his own before that stage.

So all 3 cases I wasn't the instigator and yeah while i wasn't nice by any definition of the word I think I was at least partially justified.