End game chat: TittiesRUs: please report yas : ur fucking garbage : report me idc : u deserve to be flamed TittiesRUs: I think that should be enough evidence ^ : yeah report me : theres no evidence in this game : to report me TittiesRUs: the entire chat logs : even if i called u braindead once : its not enough : and im not gonna get banend TittiesRUs: you said that like 30 times : so go fucking kys
Apparently this isn't bannable? Wtf
Telephone Booth3 votesDamn why did you have to call for reports on him? That's considered provoking and is a punishable offense in itself. So your report against him actually hurts yourself because you tried to get other people to gang up on him. Next time just report it yourself. It doesn't matter how many people report him, so there's literally ZERO reason to call for reports, other than to piss him off... which is considered toxic.
TittiesRUs2 votesSo simply because I told people he's being toxic, all of the blame and punishment immediately gets shifted to me? How is this fair in anyway. Me being proactive about this will get me punished? Great system Riot. Btw, this kid was calling for reports on me, but he gets to walk away freely? I want to defend myself against this toxic asshole, but it will only get me banned? Wtf is riot thinking when they see this shit?
Riot clearly has a bad habit of punishing the people standing up for others in game.
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesNo, it isn't that all of the blame gets shifted onto you. But when you resort to breaking the rules yourself, you stop being an innocent victim of his toxicity, and become a second toxic player in the situation. Granted, almost everyone would agree that what you said/did was in no way as extreme as what he did, but the IFS doesn't view chat logs from the context of what other players were saying or doing. It is only concerned with what you as a player said or did. You are only judged based upon your own actions, which is entirely fair. You wouldn't want to be judged based upon something someone else said, would you? To ensure that the system is entirely free from bias, it looks at each set of logs separately.
And there is a significant difference in defending yourself, and retaliating against someone. For future reference, try to keep in mind that calling for reports on someone, no matter how justified you think they are, is considered harassment.
Btw, this kid was calling for reports on me, but he gets to walk away freely?
See? It bothered you when he did it. Enough that you wanted to defend yourself against it. It's a threatening statement, much the same as a child telling their sibling that they are going to tattle to their parents, or a student threatening to tell the teacher. And just as those situations are viewed negatively, calling for reports in League is considered a form of harassment, and something that Riot does not allow. The IFS only requires a single report for a game to be reviewed by the system, so there is never a need to ask for other reports. Your report is enough. Additional reports, even if the other 9 players in the game report the 10th, do not carry extra weight, and it doesn't make the player get in that much more trouble.
You are allowed to stand up for others in the game. You just aren't allowed to break the rules to do it.
EvilDustMan2 votesYou'd both be reported and possibly punished. The other player for flaming and you for instigating. You shouldn't have these chat logs because you had no reason to call for reports and you should have muted them from the start.
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesThere's a couple different things that could be going on here:
Kei1432 votesRiot can see pre/post game chat.
What he says is punishable, and so is your asking for reports.
scazzman2 votesRiot can see pre/post game chat.
What he says is punishable, and so is your asking for reports.
actually. rioters have stated that asking for reports is acceptable in postgame chat only,
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesAre you certain about this? I've only ever seen Rioters confirm that asking for reports is considered a form of harassment, as it is threatening other players, and that it is unnecessary, as it only takes a single report to flag a game for review by the IFS.
scazzman2 votesAre you certain about this? I've only ever seen Rioters confirm that asking for reports is considered a form of harassment, as it is threatening other players, and that it is unnecessary, as it only takes a single report to flag a game for review by the IFS.
it was back when lyte was still around. so it may have changed, but basically they dont want you doing it in game, because it becomes a distraction, where after the game, the player could have already left lobby, thereby making it no longer harassing
OnlyYouCanHearMe2 votesHmmmm... That is an interesting point. It isn't harassing a player if that player has already left the post-game lobby, but I don't know that I personally would want to risk it. Not to mention, I have a feeling that any ticket to Support that starts off with "I know I was banned for harassment BUT the player had already logged out of the lobby..." just wouldn't go over well.
But even if it isn't considered to be harassment or taboo as long as the player has already left the lobby, there still isn't any reason to ask for other players to report. It only takes one report to flag the match, so your report is sufficient. Probably better safe than sorry, just in case you happen to have an overzealous teammate who is friends with the player who logged out and reports you on their behalf for asking for reports against them.
rujitra2 votesMore reports flag faster.
Thus, if someone is being toxic, and the enemy team likely saw evidence that would lead them to report, a gentle reminder is not necessarily a bad thing. It helps remove toxic players faster.
OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votesIt doesn't necessarily matter if one player reports someone in a match, or the other nine players report someone in a match. It still flags that one match for review only once. This was something that Riot had to address to keep pre-made groups from gang-reporting the odd-man-out. I'm sure all of us have seen, or been a victim of, a toxic group that likes to either demand roles, or troll and harass, and then complain loudly in all-chat about what some innocent player is "doing." Making it so that multiple reports in a single match do not actually count the same as multiple reports across multiple games was one of the early safety measures Riot implemented with this system.
Where the number of reports really starts to matter is across multiple games. The more individual games a negative player is reported in, the more games they will have flagged, and the faster they will be punished if the reports are found to be valid. That might be what you are thinking of, and you are certainly right in that it does help remove the toxic players faster! Which is something we all would enjoy. =)
rujitra1 votesWhile I understand that reports are worth less the more there are in a game, I was under the impression that multiple reports in one game from people not in a premade lobby would flag the game for review quicker (as in put more of a flag on it). I may be wrong.
OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votesI haven't heard that before, but that definitely doesn't mean it isn't possible! It may actually push those games up in the queue for the IFS review, though I suppose it's not as imperative now to give those matches priority as it was back when the Tribunal was having to manually sift through each individual match, as the automated system is already fast enough to review all the matches without any backlog. Perhaps that is why some players actually report being banned within 5 minutes of leaving a match, and others say that it took until the next day.... if the system escalates those matches that are reported by multiple players?
Kei1432 votesI'm pretty sure OP called for reports in game with the way yasuo responded.
TittiesRUs2 votesThis was end game chat
Aloexx Ratfoot1 votesThis is not true See my other post for a quote from rito
Nik Nikerson2 votesWell you can get banned over something like this. But if this is a one time thing for the Yas he probably won't.
Why do people assume that the system isn't working just because every single person they report isn't instantly punished?
Aloexx Ratfoot2 votesRiot Husker (EUW) - 8 months ago Hey all. I don't specifically work on the team that deals with reports, but hopefully I can provide some clarity.
To address point one of the OP - Calling for others to report a player is a punishable offense. It is a form of bullying and as such is against the summoner code. It should always be a personal decision for each player as to whether or not they feel another player warrants a report. In fact, do feel free to tell your team mates that "report calling" in itself counts as harassment. Flaming and bullying a player will never help them to improve their game mechanics, communication etc. Take five minutes to add someone and talk to them after game. Perhaps do some customs to help them learn a champion, or how to gank or how to use vision.
To the second point of the OP - Don't worry about how many reports a player receives at the end of a given game. What's important is that if you feel a player truly deserves to be reported, that you do so. Don't feel pressured in to doing something by your team mates asking you to report a player. It's all recorded and all counts.
This is just one example of he MANY times riot has said asking for reports is ban able
OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votesThat's a great reference. Thank you so much for linking to this. Husker makes some very good points, and the way he puts it is a very good way of explaining to people why calling for reports is considered a punishable offense.
Hawckey1 votesWell, what was your score? Did you deserve it?