Sooo It's Been 3 Months... I never got a reply from Senior Management Handling My Support Ticket.

Nubrac·Sep 7, 2019·102 votes·22,277 views

After my case with nightblue got handed off to senior management, ive been patiently waiting for a reply explaining the ban and never got one. Its close to 3 months later.

I asked before hand if the strat was okay, a rioter confirmed it was. During the ticket process a rioter confirmed my playstyle was okay. I'm actually doing the same strat for months now after the ban and not getting banned again.

So why was i banned the ONE game i happened to be with nightblue?

153 Comments

rujitraSep 7, 201948 votes

LOL.

Riot has confirmed multiple times that your ban was properly placed. You wanting to be allowed to troll without getting banned doesn't mean they're not doing things correctly.

I just wish moderators would get you off the boards already - your threads here are just spam or trolling - just like your videos.

NubracSep 7, 201914 votes

??? show me where they confirmed it was properly placed? XD , thats why my tickets still open from senior management right? I'm doing the exact strat for months now, and not getting banned. Legit doing nothing wrong. I think you're the one misinformed.

Also good job arguing with non facts and insults towards my videos.

GatekeeperTDSSep 7, 201924 votes

??? show me where they confirmed it was properly placed?

It was properly placed due to the fact that it has not been removed. An open ticket is not proof it was placed incorrectly.

NubracSep 7, 20198 votes

well that's what i'm fighting for. After they said they will re review and give me a response after the ban was over. I never got a response.

GatekeeperTDSSep 7, 20196 votes

Sometimes in situations such as this, the lack of a response should be considered the response.

NubracSep 7, 20199 votes

well in a game where they can ban you for no reason or response, i want no part of it.

Kei143Sep 7, 20198 votes

They gave a reason to why you were punished (or rather, to reddit), and just because you don't like their reason, doesn't mean it wasn't a reason.

NubracSep 7, 20199 votes

in my ticket different rioters gave different reasons, other rioters said it was okay, so which rioter is in charge?

Kei143Sep 7, 20196 votes

First Ticket responses are done by tier 1 support. They don't have much power and mainly use pre-written responses.

Then comes Rioters whom are player behavior specialist, they typically are the ones that wrote those pre-written responses and are the ones doing the ingame review. Most player behavior issues don't get past these Rioters and their decisions are typically final.

Riot WookieCookie is a senior staff on player behavior team.

I assume at the top of player behavior is currently Riot Gromp, but don't quote me on that.

DOUBLE TAPPED ESep 7, 20196 votes

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It was properly placed due to the fact that it has not been removed. An open ticket is not proof it was placed incorrectly.

Logical fallacy:

if A, then B; not A, therefore not B.

If it was removed (A), it would be improperly placed (B); it's not removed (A), therefore it's not improperly placed (B).

GatekeeperTDSSep 7, 20194 votes

You should also look up the fallacy fallacy should you wish to bolster your already massive intellect.

Just because I may have used a fallacy does not mean his ban was placed in error.

Romans VI XXIIISep 7, 20191 votes

Except a Rioter has said his strate was not bannable. Thus the BAN was improperly placed.

GatekeeperTDSSep 7, 20195 votes

Listen carefully.

He was not banned for the strategy.

He was banned for his attitude.

Romans VI XXIIISep 7, 20191 votes

Listen carefully. You cant be banned for an attitude.

AeroWaffleSep 7, 20194 votes

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Listen carefully. You cant be banned for an attitude.

You can be banned for your attitude. The Player behavior section of the boards are filled with people inquiring about their ban that was given out due to their attitude.

Imperial PandaaSep 7, 201916 votes

Tad too far.

rujitraSep 7, 20196 votes

Blunt yes. But nothing I have said is untrue.

Tahminatrix Sep 7, 20197 votes

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You wanting to be allowed to troll without getting banned

Well you did assume his intentions were to troll, you were better off just saying what he is doing is CURRENTLY considered to be trolling by the loose majority.

Remember the strategy where the 2nd toplaner would instead clear jungle camps all game and gank lanes, leaving the other poor helpless toplaner to "1v2"

The people doing it were widely known as trolls, and now we have 1/5th of the players every game playing the "troll" role...

rujitraSep 7, 20197 votes

Nope. His intentions were proven to troll by the fact that he did this virtually only when other streamers were in his games.

nWaCdHaleySep 7, 201912 votes

He was playing in challenger elo. There were streamers in every single game he played

lil kodaSep 7, 20198 votes

yes he was in challenger elo, playing things that WERENT "roaming teemo support" then when he did hit challenger he would play teemo and literally everyone there hated him for it, hes clearly a good player, but wanted attention from trolling because he couldnt get it doing anything else, if you watch his streams you can clearly see hes got a narcissistic behavior.

3TWarriorSep 7, 20195 votes

it was "confirmed" once by a person that gave no evidence of their claims and only cited the case with NB3

This would have been better put into ANOTHER support ticket though as the case is pretty much buried in history and no longer a popular topic

Sinister AnubisSep 7, 20196 votes

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LOL.

Riot has confirmed multiple times that your ban was properly placed. You wanting to be allowed to troll without getting banned doesn't mean they're not doing things correctly.

I just wish moderators would get you off the boards already - your threads here are just spam or trolling - just like your videos.

Whoa clam down dude. This guy did nothing wrong what is the matter with you??? Hes playing the game to win nothing in the terms of service says he HAS to play meta champions or meta play styles. I been here since season 1 when we use to have double bruiser bot lane and adc mids and mages top with almost NO junglers due to how hard the jungle was unless you were fiddle or warwick. We made up whatever strats we wanted to, to try and win. Nubrac found something that works for him and hes winning most of his games.

nWaCdHaleySep 7, 20195 votes

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hes winning most of his games.

Citation needed

Sinister AnubisSep 7, 20192 votes

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Citation needed

Look at the NB3 video it shows he was winning those games then.

AeroWaffleSep 7, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ninja Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jF02qtzw,comment-id=0001000400000000,timestamp=2019-09-07T08:02:23.762+0000)

Look at the NB3 video it shows he was winning those games then.

"Winning most of his games" implies at least a >50% win rate.

But OP.gg shows a 49% win rate currently. It is a lot under 50%? No, but it's certainly not "winning most of his games".

If you limit the winrate to recent games, it still doesn't come out to >50%. Out of the past 89 games he had a 43% win rate.

Eternal TormentSep 7, 20193 votes

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LOL.

Riot has confirmed multiple times that your ban was properly placed. You wanting to be allowed to troll without getting banned doesn't mean they're not doing things correctly.

I just wish moderators would get you off the boards already - your threads here are just spam or trolling - just like your videos.

I am gonna be the one to say this:

For a specialist designated to PB your comment is extremely toxic and unprofessional.

Nubrac may not be the brightest bulb in regards to his ban, but the issue really isn't as simple as you state it to be, and the few times Nubrac has posted on the boards, he has had legit points to upbring and hasn't done much against the boards.

So far I have only seen 3 posts from him (that mattered) since the entire incident started. 3 posts in 3 months equates to 1 post per month and that is by all senses, logical and illogical alike, not spamming.

I would have expected you of all people to know the difference and apply it indiscriminatedly.

rujitraSep 7, 20197 votes

He hasn't posted just a few times, he has been spamming his videos outside the video/streams board and this is now multiple threads on this issue as well.

Crimson ZeppelinSep 7, 20193 votes

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He hasn't posted just a few times, he has been spamming his videos outside the video/streams board and this is now multiple threads on this issue as well.

We are sick and tired of this. Is there anything in your power to make this cease?

PąìnSep 7, 20192 votes

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LOL.

Riot has confirmed multiple times that your ban was properly placed. You wanting to be allowed to troll without getting banned doesn't mean they're not doing things correctly.

I just wish moderators would get you off the boards already - your threads here are just spam or trolling - just like your videos.

having a different playstyle isn't trolling. I never saw him running down building crit as soraka or some stuff like this, yes , maybe his strat is dumb, and not working, but it doesn't mean that he have to be banned, as long as ur not griefing u have full rights to play your own playstyle and introduce new stuff.

Yuung FappySep 7, 20193 votes

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having a different playstyle isn't trolling. I never saw him running down building crit as soraka or some stuff like this, yes , maybe his strat is dumb, and not working, but it doesn't mean that he have to be banned, as long as ur not griefing u have full rights to play your own playstyle and introduce new stuff.

"as long as ur not griefing"

well here's the thing buddy, thats exactly what he was doing. He griefed his team and deserves the ban. It wasn't his playstyle or strat. It was him ruining the game for the rest of his team, jeopardizing the same, and not communicating.

PąìnSep 7, 20192 votes

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"as long as ur not griefing"

well here's the thing buddy, thats exactly what he was doing. He griefed his team and deserves the ban. It wasn't his playstyle or strat. It was him ruining the game for the rest of his team, jeopardizing the same, and not communicating.

He was the only one playing while his entire team was sitting in the fountain, why are they not punished? :? So the rules works for some players but for the others doesn't? Nice.

Yuung FappySep 8, 20192 votes

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He was the only one playing while his entire team was sitting in the fountain, why are they not punished? :? So the rules works for some players but for the others doesn't? Nice.

R u blind? He held them hostage for the entire game, they didn't want to play anymore. He was laughing at them, while they were tilted and upset because he didn't want to communicate his strat to them. So ur telling me if someone came to ur lane and fked it up, u wouldn't care?

PąìnSep 8, 20191 votes

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R u blind? He held them hostage for the entire game, they didn't want to play anymore. He was laughing at them, while they were tilted and upset because he didn't want to communicate his strat to them. So ur telling me if someone came to ur lane and fked it up, u wouldn't care?

How 1 player held hostage 4 people, that's not possible lmfao , r u stupid? They didn't want to play yes, the just open without his agreement, u have no rights to open if just one of your team don't agree, ur supposed to play. What they did is called griefing, simple as fuck, end of the story.

Imperial PandaaSep 7, 201922 votes

My theory is basically you got set as the precedent. Much like previous troll/not troll cases. Such as: Smite Singed Support (that also abandoned lane and forced a strategy on others), the nunu double jungle support (similar to Singed case I believe), and the Inting Sion Strategy. Meaning they still haven't decided how to handle forcing unusual strats on players.

As for the "I'm still doing this strat", can you prove that people are reporting you? Just because someone asks or say they are gonna report, doesn't mean they remember when the game ends. From what I understand a lot of high elo just tends to move on with the grind.

NubracSep 7, 201910 votes

oh trust me, watch my stream, i get 9x every game just for being nubrac, doesnt matter what champ i'm playing.

Imperial PandaaSep 7, 201923 votes

I'll pass on watching, not interested. Seeing your screen also doesn't prove that you grt 9x every game.

NubracSep 7, 201912 votes

Well, i am requesting a data retrieval (which you can request via support) it tells you how many times you've been reported last 100 games. I'll get back to ya

Imperial PandaaSep 7, 20193 votes

That does take 30 days. So depending on when you submitted that, guess see you in 30 days.

NubracSep 7, 20199 votes

within 10 roughly

lolenforcerSep 7, 20193 votes

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oh trust me, watch my stream, i get 9x every game just for being nubrac, doesnt matter what champ i'm playing.

Hey man,

I too have been banned for none meta strategies relating to bot lane. What a lot of people don't understand is that pretty much any champion can be played anywhere barring extreme stuff like Fiddlesticks jungle since scuttlecrab is hard to kill now.

I loved Kled Jungle before he was strong the last few patches, I played a lot of Aftershock Sol before his rework, I played counterjungler support Ivern. I got banned for playing Gangplank bot on this account, I did do bad but I did try and won the game. This community cannot tolerate none meta strategies and is not willing to test them in solo/dou que for multiple reasons. I also played a ton of Leblanc Support and Brand Jungle back in the day. I cannot say I blame people for dodging if I lock in these things, but if they don’t and we get into a game I expect people to not AFK at a bare minimum and not constantly verbally abuse me because I am not picking one of the top six on u.gg. Why do you think people do not communicate their strategy in chat riot? I wonder what the reason could be?

I think riot bans none meta things because they are a threat to the LCS with certain cheese strategies and expose the glaring problems with balance in this game. With damage so high now and the adjustments to the bounty system, support gold items, and jungle items, I will admit they have managed to make more linear gameplay where you cant do as much crazy stuff as you could before. Oh also the runes reforged system, that took a ton of customization from the game too.

Anyways your teemo strategy is interesting (although now that it is famous it might not work as good as before) and i think it is very sad that high level players cry about it. Teemo

Yuung FappySep 7, 20192 votes

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Hey man,

I too have been banned for none meta strategies relating to bot lane. What a lot of people don't understand is that pretty much any champion can be played anywhere barring extreme stuff like Fiddlesticks jungle since scuttlecrab is hard to kill now.

I loved Kled Jungle before he was strong the last few patches, I played a lot of Aftershock Sol before his rework, I played counterjungler support Ivern. I got banned for playing Gangplank bot on this account, I did do bad but I did try and won the game. This community cannot tolerate none meta strategies and is not willing to test them in solo/dou que for multiple reasons. I also played a ton of Leblanc Support and Brand Jungle back in the day. I cannot say I blame people for dodging if I lock in these things, but if they don’t and we get into a game I expect people to not AFK at a bare minimum and not constantly verbally abuse me because I am not picking one of the top six on u.gg. Why do you think people do not communicate their strategy in chat riot? I wonder what the reason could be?

I think riot bans none meta things because they are a threat to the LCS with certain cheese strategies and expose the glaring problems with balance in this game. With damage so high now and the adjustments to the bounty system, support gold items, and jungle items, I will admit they have managed to make more linear gameplay where you cant do as much crazy stuff as you could before. Oh also the runes reforged system, that took a ton of customization from the game too.

Anyways your teemo strategy is interesting (although now that it is famous it might not work as good as before) and i think it is very sad that high level players cry about it.

Did u go gp bot, then take ur jg's camps, or did u go mid and soak xp? Cuz that is the difference between them, nb3 does off meta sht and actually plays his role ( securing drags, ganking, farming in jg, vision, etc). Nubrac just becomes a ward either mid or top and soaks xp and throwing out an aa or two to prevent enemy from csing, but in the process leaves his adc to get destoryed bot 3v1.

lolenforcerSep 7, 20191 votes

I mean I am sure it is rough for the ADC if they are not cait/jinx I am not denying that. Personally I do not actively take others camps or CS unless they died or are AFK or I need like 2 exp to level up. But also I would steal the enemies blue buff or red buff and not feel bad about it.

Anyways I think it can also depend on teamcomp. If I get an all AD team I dont feel bad playing Aurelian Sol or Karthus top. The enemy doesnt expect the lane matchup as well and it wont be familar to them.

I do understand Riot wants competitive games. Unfortunately due to balance decisions they made (and most of this was in the past during the beginning of the bounty system) in low elo you could get more gold by dying first if first blood was given by another lane already and THEN killing your enemy, because of the bounty system. Gold funnel has always been a thing with champs like Yi. Gold per 5 and then the current gold and jungle items which are now alittle more gated have always been strong. Smite is a strong spell just for dragon and baron steals and it also allows you to buy a great item for cheap if you are a support. They made the bounty system to “help” comebacks and “help” less payoffs. I think a support that roams into the jungle and steals enemy camps is fine, and ivern taking his own red for his ADC and him is chill too I think as long as your own jungler knows and can take the enemies red first or during that time. The point is that the mentality in this game has grown more and more linear because of actual trolls, it is not none metas peoples fault that ADCs have had bad experiences in the past with supports. I would actually say of all roles ADCs understand the game the least. Junglers and Supports have to know what they are doing because they have to interact with people more. ADCs view supports as some kind of personal slave when in reality they are supporting the whole team not just them.

Yuung FappySep 7, 20191 votes

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I mean I am sure it is rough for the ADC if they are not cait/jinx I am not denying that. Personally I do not actively take others camps or CS unless they died or are AFK or I need like 2 exp to level up. But also I would steal the enemies blue buff or red buff and not feel bad about it.

Anyways I think it can also depend on teamcomp. If I get an all AD team I dont feel bad playing Aurelian Sol or Karthus top. The enemy doesnt expect the lane matchup as well and it wont be familar to them.

I do understand Riot wants competitive games. Unfortunately due to balance decisions they made (and most of this was in the past during the beginning of the bounty system) in low elo you could get more gold by dying first if first blood was given by another lane already and THEN killing your enemy, because of the bounty system. Gold funnel has always been a thing with champs like Yi. Gold per 5 and then the current gold and jungle items which are now alittle more gated have always been strong. Smite is a strong spell just for dragon and baron steals and it also allows you to buy a great item for cheap if you are a support. They made the bounty system to “help” comebacks and “help” less payoffs. I think a support that roams into the jungle and steals enemy camps is fine, and ivern taking his own red for his ADC and him is chill too I think as long as your own jungler knows and can take the enemies red first or during that time. The point is that the mentality in this game has grown more and more linear because of actual trolls, it is not none metas peoples fault that ADCs have had bad experiences in the past with supports. I would actually say of all roles ADCs understand the game the least. Junglers and Supports have to know what they are doing because they have to interact with people more. ADCs view supports as some kind of personal slave when in reality they are supporting the whole team not just them.

Here is the difference between what ur saying and bubrac's situation. You are playing ur role like ur supposed to, you are communicating, he never did that

lolenforcerSep 7, 20191 votes

I am not going to pretend I have watched all of his games from start to finish. I know what he does probably does get on peoples nerves and can be super annoying. I did watch the game in question though.

But here is the thing. Riot bans on chat. So if you are doing none meta things, you must protect your account by not talking. God forbid you say a word that is on the automated ban list.

Yuung FappySep 7, 20193 votes

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I am not going to pretend I have watched all of his games from start to finish. I know what he does probably does get on peoples nerves and can be super annoying. I did watch the game in question though.

But here is the thing. Riot bans on chat. So if you are doing none meta things, you must protect your account by not talking. God forbid you say a word that is on the automated ban list.

Not just on chat, but inting and greifing. He was griefing and got banned. Simple as that.

ThefrostyvikingSep 7, 201915 votes

Now i shall start with the admission that i have a severe bias against you OP, i absolutely disagree with your entire strategy, but i will also give you an as impartial as possible explanation as to why i think you got banned based on what i learned when trying to figure out what that entire deal was about.

The main problem with your strategy as i heard and saw was that it fell into exactly the same track as the old Singed&nunu support cases, severely lacking communication for a strategy that greatly affects how your teammates ought to play.

There is a difference in talking to people and talking with them.....and here is the second problem.

You apparently went through with your strategy even when people didnt want you to, which is seriously not cool at all, you ought to respect people wanting to play normally, heavens know we can use more of those people with all the actual trolls around.

Dissing their opinions entirely for the sake of your own fun is just being an asshole, its not how you are supposed to play in a teamgame.

A short exempt from the summoners code :

Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense

You completely ignored the concept of communication, you went through with your strategy even when it adversely affected one if not several of your teammates and ontop it all you dont seem to be realizing this at all?

The fact that you gave many people a really bad experience by playing the way you did? Riot likes when people play to win&have fun, but not so much when it happens by screwing their own teammates over.

Its exactly this kinda stuff that got the singed&nunu banned.

Now back to my own absolutely subjective view, that original video? Its a perfect example of why your strategy was awful.

First up, sivir was left completely helpless, Sona&Taric were pushing down her T2 tower like 8-9 minutes in and they started working on the inhib tower about 11 minutes into the game. Botside jungle was completely lost.

What had you accomplished in the meanwhile?

No towers, Irelia had 1 kill and a 2 deaths while TF had 1 death and 5 assists, enemy top and jungle were snowballing right out.

TF was down on farm? Yeah......Not anywhere near enough to compensate for a snowballing enemy botlane with a serious CS lead on their own.

Now NB3 was being a toxic asshat that went too far with a lot of the stuff he said, but Sivir? As i see it her tilting and just quitting after 11 minutes of trying to 1v2/3 botlane is nothing if not understandable and reasonable.

Seeing Nightblue tilt because he could not gank botlane or midlane while heca snowballed? Also understandable......doesnt excuse him being an ass when it happened but still.

But why did Sivir have to endure that? Why did nightblue go down that road?

Because of you, not so nice sir OP, your strategy is the very clear cause of why things happened as they did there.

I wish you a good day.

CharDeeMcDennizSep 7, 20192 votes

well said*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

Yuung FappySep 7, 20193 votes

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Now i shall start with the admission that i have a severe bias against you OP, i absolutely disagree with your entire strategy, but i will also give you an as impartial as possible explanation as to why i think you got banned based on what i learned when trying to figure out what that entire deal was about.

The main problem with your strategy as i heard and saw was that it feel into exactly the same track as the old Singed&nunu support cases, severely lacking communication for a strategy that greatly affects how your teammates ought to play.

There is a difference in talking to people and talking with them.....and here is the second problem.

You apparently went through with your strategy even when people didnt want you to, which is seriously not cool at all, you ought to respect people wanting to play normally, heavens know we can use more of those people with all the actual trolls around.

Dissing their opinions entirely for the sake of your own fun is just being an asshole, its not how you are supposed to play in a teamgame.

A short exempt from the summoners code :

You completely ignored the concept of communication, you went through with your strategy even when it adversely affected one if not several of your teammates and ontop it all you dont seem to be realizing this at all?

The fact that you gave many people a really bad experience by playing the way you did? Riot likes when people play to win&have fun, but not so much when it happens by screwing their own teammates over.

Its exactly this kinda stuff that got the singed&nunu banned.

Now back to my own absolutely subjective view, that original video? Its a perfect example of why your strategy was awful.

First up, sivir was left completely helpless, Sona&Taric were pushing down her T2 tower like 8-9 minutes in and they started working on the inhib tower about 11 minutes into the game. Botside jungle was completely lost.

What had you accomplished in the meanwhile?

No towers, Irelia had 1 kill and a 2 deaths while TF had 1 death and 5 assists, enemy top and jungle were snowballing right out.

TF was down on farm? Yeah......Not anywhere near enough to compensate for a snowballing enemy botlane with a serious CS lead on their own.

Now NB3 was being a toxic asshat that went too far with a lot of the stuff he said, but Sivir? As i see it her tilting and just quitting after 11 minutes of trying to 1v2/3 botlane is nothing if not understandable and reasonable.

Seeing Nightblue tilt because he could not gank botlane or midlane while heca snowballed? Also understandable.

And why did she have to endure that? Why did nightblue go down that road?

Because of you, not so nice sir OP, your strategy is the very clear cause of why things happened as they did there.

I wish you a good day.