Instantly banned?

Skettchy·May 16, 2016·3 votes·2,401 views

I was instantly banned, for retaliating to two people's toxic behavior. I admit, i was toxic after they were toxic to me, but shouldnt they receive a ban, too? At the very least. The toxic players are the only two that reported me, and the rest of my team honored me. I was banned without the chat logs even being reviewed. The ban was instant, right after they said they were reporting me. I don't feel this is right. I feel like my ban should be lifted, or at the very least, reduced. And as i said, the other players should also receive a ban. I've never been banned before, and I instantly received a 14 day ban, isnt your first offense supposed to be 1 day or 7 days? I dont understand whats going on, and like I said, it seems very unfair.

Edit:I forgot to mention that those toxic players also asked every other player in the game to report me, several times, which i read is bannable in it's self. So there's that, too. I'm extremely confused on why i was instantly banned with no warning/chat ban.

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AnomanderMay 17, 20165 votes

Post logs please........

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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Post logs please........

Im not going to post the logs, it just shows me saying rude things in response to them, but it does not show anything they said. What would be the point? it would just make me look bad.

AnomanderMay 17, 20167 votes

it just shows me saying rude things

Ok then your ban is 100% deserved.......

You are responsible for your actions. Retaliation is not needed especially in a game with a mute and a report function.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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Ok then your ban is 100% deserved.......

You are responsible for your actions. Retaliation is not needed especially in a game with a mute and a report function.

Just because i retaliate does not mean I deserve a ban and they do not, that's the kind of twisted logic that i'm questioning in this thread. Just because I do not feel like posting "logs" that do not include what was said to me, just what i said in response, does not put me in the wrong. I'd like to see you change that mindset.

AnomanderMay 17, 20167 votes

Just because i retaliate does not mean I deserve a ban and they do not, that's the kind of twisted logic that i'm questioning in this thread.

I never said they didn't deserve a ban...... They are responsible for their own actions.......

Just because I do not feel like posting "logs" that do not include what was said to me, just what i said in response, does not put me in the wrong. I'd like to see you change that mindset.

You admit you retaliated... You admit that you were rude. Your refuse to give access to information that might show the severity of your actions... Based on the information you have given a ban was 100% warranted.

My mind set is fine. Every person is responsible for their own actions regardless of the situation...... While real life might have situations where retaliation is needed a video game does not. You chose to act in a toxic manner and got punished..... Deal with it.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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I never said they didn't deserve a ban...... They are responsible for their own actions.......

You admit you retaliated... You admit that you were rude. Your refuse to give access to information that might show the severity of your actions... Based on the information you have given a ban was 100% warranted.

My mind set is fine. Every person is responsible for their own actions regardless of the situation...... While real life might have situations where retaliation is needed a video game does not. You chose to act in a toxic manner and got punished..... Deal with it.

I admit i retaliated because i'm not here to lie to you. I refuse to "Give access" partially because i'm lazy, and partially because I already stated the fact that it would do nothing but make me look bad, because Riot does not give logs the entire conversation, for whatever reason. It would simply make it look like I was the only problem, which is 100% opposite of the truth. Your mind set is not fine, in my opinion. Your mind set, from what I can see, is "Oh, he was being bullied into the ground and decided to retaliate, so he deserves to be punished while the people who caused the issue go unpunished." I chose to act in a "toxic" manner because people were being toxic to me. The fact that you say "deal with it" is exactly what's wrong with this situation. A video game requires just as much retaliation as any other situation, it's called being social, good or bad. Does that prove my point, or do i need to write more?

AnomanderMay 17, 20165 votes

video game requires just as much retaliation as any other situation, it's called being social, good or bad.

Really? Just really? You think someone holding a gun to your head or threatening a person is the same as a video game? You realize that there are very few UNIVERSAL situations that retaliation is not a crime?

I admit i retaliated because i'm not here to lie to you. I refuse to "Give access" partially because i'm lazy, and partially because I already stated the fact that it would do nothing but make me look bad,

Because your know very well that the punishment is warranted.............

because Riot does not give logs the entire conversation, for whatever reason

Because your actions are your own...... It doesn't matter what the other person did or said when it comes to your actions and retaliation. You chose to be toxic.

"Oh, he was being bullied into the ground and decided to retaliate, so he deserves to be punished while the people who caused the issue go unpunished."

Umm you might want to reread my previous response.......... I said they are responsible for their actions......if that warrants a punishment I am sure they will eventually get it. If you think that I said in anyway that what they may or may not have done was ok you are delusional. I didn't comment in any negative or positive manner to their actions just that they are responsible for them as I do not have access to what they have done.

I chose to act in a "toxic" manner because people were being toxic to me

Do you really think that their actions in any manner justify yours?

Does that prove my point, or do i need to write more?

Does that prove my point, or do I need to write more?

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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Really? Just really? You think someone holding a gun to your head or threatening a person is the same as a video game? You realize that there are very few UNIVERSAL situations that retaliation is not a crime?

Because your know very well that the punishment is warranted.............

Because your actions are your own...... It doesn't matter what the other person did or said when it comes to your actions and retaliation. You chose to be toxic.

Umm you might want to reread my previous response.......... I said they are responsible for their actions......if that warrants a punishment I am sure they will eventually get it. If you think that I said in anyway that what they may or may not have done was ok you are delusional. I didn't comment in any negative or positive manner to their actions just that they are responsible for them as I do not have access to what they have done.

Do you really think that their actions in any manner justify yours?

Does that prove my point, or do I need to write more?

No, that doesnt prove your point, smartass. For starters, how the hell does pointing a gun at someone's head fall into a "social" catagory? Do you even know what "social" means? And no, You clearly do not realize that there are ALOT of universal situations where retaliation is, for the most part, harmless.

And yes, the punishment may be warranted, but it's not "warranted" for them, as well?.......

My actions may be my own, but it was influenced by those people, and they played a big part in "my actions". You're chosing to be toxic right now, does that mean you should be banned? Or maybe you already were, i dont know. But you are being toxic as hell right now, does that mean you get and instant 14 day ban?

I never said you said it was okay for them to act like that, but they didnt receive an instant ban, I did. You are currently responding in a negative way, and attempting to trigger me, which you did. You're being toxic.

And yea, it does justify my actions, because they caused the entire arguement. My actions would not have happened in the first place if not for their actions.

Any questions, feel free to ask. You're not even being helpful, you're just being toxic. This forum was made to request help from people, not to have the same thing happen, again. Please, either treat me as you would like me to treat you or stop posting.

AnomanderMay 17, 20166 votes

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No, that doesnt prove your point, smartass. For starters, how the hell does pointing a gun at someone's head fall into a "social" catagory? Do you even know what "social" means? And no, You clearly do not realize that there are ALOT of universal situations where retaliation is, for the most part, harmless.

Why retaliate is a social setting? Just shows you can't control yourself.....

And yes, the punishment may be warranted, but it's not "warranted" for them, as well?.......

And if they deserve a punishment they will receive it in time.

My actions may be my own, but it was influenced by those people, and they played a big part in "my actions". You're chosing to be toxic right now, does that mean you should be banned? Or maybe you already were, i dont know. But you are being toxic as hell right now, does that mean you get and instant 14 day ban?

Stop blaming others for your actions......that is not taking responsibility.

I never said you said it was okay for them to act like that, but they didnt receive an instant ban, I did. You are currently responding in a negative way, and attempting to trigger me, which you did. You're being toxic.

How am I being toxic? Informing you that your actions are your own..... and that you are responsible for the things you do?

And yea, it does justify my actions, because they caused the entire arguement. My actions would not have happened in the first place if not for their actions.

Blaming others for your own actions....... Saying they started it doesn't justify your actions..... it just makes it seem like you completely lack self control/self esteem.

Any questions, feel free to ask. You're not even being helpful, you're just being toxic. This forum was made to request help from people, not to have the same thing happen, again. Please, either treat me as you would like me to treat you or stop posting.

I am treating you exactly how I EXPECT to be treated....... like a person who is responsible for their own actions.......

If you don't like the truth DEAL WITH IT.........

FurriesAreHotMay 17, 20166 votes

OP gets proven wrong then pulls the "you're the toxic one" card. Classic salt

HexaDecimelMay 17, 20162 votes

You need to understand that punishments are handed out based on a variety of different factors.

Your account cannot not influenced by other players, only you. If people report you and you have done nothing that violates the TOS then you have nothing to worry about. The number of reports in a single match doesn't matter either because it is only based on how frequently you are reported per game. As long as you protect your account, don't troll, harass, or retaliate, and most importantly don't cheat, then you will not be punished for anything.

What other players do with their account is their business and Riot will deal with them accordingly. Punishments are based on a four tiered system. 10 day chat ban, 25 day chat ban, 14 day account ban, and then a permanent suspension.

The reason that it may seem like players are getting away with trolling may be because either they don't get reported as often as they should, or because they aren't as far along the punishment scale. However that does not me they are getting away with anything. Every player has the same number of chances, and if you get banned and someone else didn't that just means you used yours up faster then them.

TrulyBlandMay 17, 20165 votes

"Do you feel I should have been banned?"

I like how you worded that question. Especially considering we have practically no other information but what you are willing to share. And you're not willing to share the most objective and most conclusive information. That does indeed make it more of a "feel"-question. And the fact that you are refusing to show your logs makes me "feel" like you deserved your ban. In fact it also kind of makes me feel like you already know what got you in trouble and come here not for advice but to rant (and maybe for a bit of sympathy).

If I'm wrong on the second part, post your logs. Because otherwise it's impossible to actually give any sensible input/advice.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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"Do you feel I should have been banned?"

I like how you worded that question. Especially considering we have practically no other information but what you are willing to share. And you're not willing to share the most objective and most conclusive information. That does indeed make it more of a "feel"-question. And the fact that you are refusing to show your logs makes me "feel" like you deserved your ban. In fact it also kind of makes me feel like you already know what got you in trouble and come here not for advice but to rant (and maybe for a bit of sympathy).

If I'm wrong on the second part, post your logs. Because otherwise it's impossible to actually give any sensible input/advice.

I'll tell you what i told the other guy, how does me posting my logs prove anything? it'll just show that I responded in a toxic way, which i already admitted to several times. Logs dont show everything that was said, just what i said. Why would i want to post something that does absolutely nothing but make me look bad? If you can explain that to me, i'll post them. And no, I came here for advice, and possibly some help, which i have received very little of, most of what i have received is toxic responses that are aimed at making me feel bad about myself, or something similar.

TrulyBlandMay 17, 20164 votes

Here's the thing: Retaliation is neither helpful nor necessary in this specific context. That's why it's not an accepted excuse for your behaviour. Riot at many points has made it clear that retaliation will be punished. That's as much advice as anybody can possibly give you right now with the little information we have. You say logs "only" show what you said as if that was somehow worse than hardly knowing anything outside of the phrase "shut the fuck up" being used by you and the fact that you were provoked.

But more problematic than only having little information is that we only have biased information. That's not me trying to bash you or anything, but it's pretty logical and understandable that you will be biased regarding your own punishment. Chatlogs are usually a way more reliable source of information, even without the context of other players' chat, it gives you a better impression than just the story of the person that was punished.

I can absolutely understand if you don't want to share your chatlogs (it sometimes shocks me how many people seemingly just come to these forums to bash those who are banned). But if you don't want to share them we can't properly give you any advice on the situation. Not in terms of whether you deserved the instant ban at all, and definitely not in terms of the specific things that lead to your ban.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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Here's the thing: Retaliation is neither helpful nor necessary in this specific context. That's why it's not an accepted excuse for your behaviour. Riot at many points has made it clear that retaliation will be punished. That's as much advice as anybody can possibly give you right now with the little information we have. You say logs "only" show what you said as if that was somehow worse than hardly knowing anything outside of the phrase "shut the fuck up" being used by you and the fact that you were provoked.

But more problematic than only having little information is that we only have biased information. That's not me trying to bash you or anything, but it's pretty logical and understandable that you will be biased regarding your own punishment. Chatlogs are usually a way more reliable source of information, even without the context of other players' chat, it gives you a better impression than just the story of the person that was punished.

I can absolutely understand if you don't want to share your chatlogs (it sometimes shocks me how many people seemingly just come to these forums to bash those who are banned). But if you don't want to share them we can't properly give you any advice on the situation. Not in terms of whether you deserved the instant ban at all, and definitely not in terms of the specific things that lead to your ban.

I understand what you're saying, i dont think any of you understand entirely what im saying. it's irrelevant now, but thanks.

TrulyBlandMay 17, 20163 votes

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I understand what you're saying, i dont think any of you understand entirely what im saying. it's irrelevant now, but thanks.

Then what is it you're trying to say? What is the point of this thread? According to you, it's advice. So... advice on what? To me it seemed like you focussed mostly on two points: The others should be banned, too, and also that you don't feel like you deserved an instant 14-day ban. We can't give any input whatosoever on the first point at all (we neither know whether they were punished, nor do we know if they truly were equally or more toxic in comparison with you), and without logs we also can't give input on the second part.

I've explained that, and you say you understand what I'm saying. So logically, I assume that I'm missing something else. So, straight up question: What matter do you want advice on?

MegaManYYZMay 17, 20164 votes

you won't post logs because clearly you even thought it was very toxic. why is this even a question? of course you deserve the ban if you're too afraid to post your logs.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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you won't post logs because clearly you even thought it was very toxic. why is this even a question? of course you deserve the ban if you're too afraid to post your logs.

I'm not "afraid" i just dont see that point. Why would I link something that makes me look bad when im appealing a ban? That just doesnt make sense.

MegaManYYZMay 17, 20162 votes

When ever you appeal anything you present your evidence when you don't think you deserve your ban. The chat logs is your evidence and your only evidence.

Kei143May 16, 20163 votes

1 day ban / 7 day bans are the old system.

New system since August 2015 is 14-day ban (after 10 & 25 game chat restricts). Next after that is a permaban

SkettchyMay 16, 20163 votes

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1 day ban / 7 day bans are the old system.

New system since August 2015 is 14-day ban (after 10 & 25 game chat restricts). Next after that is a permaban

I did not recieve a 10 or 25 game chat restriction, just an instant ban, so that further proves my point that this is extremely unfair, and weird.

SharoozMay 17, 20161 votes

I think its after 10 - 25,14 day bans then u get a permaban

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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I think its after 10 - 25,14 day bans then u get a permaban

I did not get a 10-25 game mute. Instantly banned.

Kei143May 17, 20162 votes

That can either mean that what you said were extremely toxic (hence you skipped tiers), or you were punished for trolling.

Post your logs and we'll see if it was fair.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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That can either mean that what you said were extremely toxic (hence you skipped tiers), or you were punished for trolling.

Post your logs and we'll see if it was fair.

Read the other three posts ive made about my "logs". My logs will prove nothing to any of you, they'll just show my toxic responses to the bullying i was receiving. I was not "extremely" toxic, although i did say a lot of rude things, because i made a direct response to everything that was said to me, which was a lot.

SrbLudMay 17, 20162 votes

Instant bans are only used when extreme toxicity or racism are used....so...yeah....

SkettchyMay 17, 20162 votes

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Instant bans are only used when extreme toxicity or racism are used....so...yeah....

I was not racist, and the most toxic thing i said was "shut the fuck up". So....yea.....

AramsAreBestMay 17, 20163 votes

No one likes a liar. Now post your logs and prove that shut the fuck up was the worst you said.

SrbLudMay 17, 20164 votes

Post all of your logs and we'll see what the worst thing you said is.

Telephone BoothMay 16, 20163 votes

Hey, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, because I don't know enough about that situation to make a fair judgement. I'm just wondering though, you said this has happened to you before, but then you said you've never been banned? What do you mean it has happened before?

SkettchyMay 16, 20161 votes

I meant this account has never been banned before, I have been banned once before on a different account, and it was a very similar situation to this. My bad, i did kind of contradict myself, i'll edit it out. Thanks! :)

AeroWaffleMay 17, 20162 votes

The system seems to be more harsh on new accounts, since people don't have any sort of feeling of commitment to the account yet. This causes many people to treat the account as disposable and tend to act more poorly on it.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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The system seems to be more harsh on new accounts, since people don't have any sort of feeling of commitment to the account yet. This causes many people to treat the account as disposable and tend to act more poorly on it.

That explains a little bit, but I was simply responding to their toxic behavior, and as far as I can see they did not receive a ban, because they were in a game, when i checked lolking. This is unfair, in my opinion.

SkettchyMay 17, 20162 votes

I noticed that two people downvoted me and voted yes on my poll, I can already tell you where those two downvotes/poll votes came from. The toxicity continues.

JamesTiedyeMay 17, 20166 votes

Jesus Christ are you this much of a whiny bitch irl?

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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Jesus Christ are you this much of a whiny bitch irl?

Lol, that's a prime example of toxic behavior, bud. Seeing as you literally came in here just to be a toxic person, shouldnt you receive a ban? We'll see.

Agent2090May 17, 20162 votes

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I was instantly banned, for retaliating to two people's toxic behavior. I admit, i was toxic after they were toxic to me, but shouldnt they receive a ban, too?

Yes, they should, but it doesn't excuse your behavior in any way. Responding to negativity with more negativity is not how Riot wants you to behave in their game.

Is it unfair? Some may think so. But it's Riot's game so they dictate the rules.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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Yes, they should, but it doesn't excuse your behavior in any way. Responding to negativity with more negativity is not how Riot wants you to behave in their game.

Is it unfair? Some may think so. But it's Riot's game so they dictate the rules.

I've said this so many times, but i'll say it again. I never tried to excuse my own behavior, i simply said that it was mostly their fault that anything at all happened, which is entirely true.

AstôlfoMay 17, 20162 votes

You talk too much. You need to learn to shut up.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

And now i randomly have another downvote and 3 more votes on "yes"...they're actually making extra accounts to downvote me. That's sad. This is insane.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

Also, I notice that the "yes" votes more than tripled while only one more person has been commenting. Seems like they're still creating accounts to vote "Yes." Is this kind of behavior acceptable? Probably, seeing as they still go unpunished for what they did, while I receive an instant ban.

AramsAreBestMay 17, 20164 votes

After seeing your responses I'm not surprised why people aren't commenting.

SkettchyMay 17, 20162 votes

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After seeing your responses I'm not surprised why people aren't commenting.

I'm responding to everyone on purpose, trying to be active and seem like I actually care, is that a bad thing? I guess so.

Telephone BoothMay 17, 20161 votes

Ya but you're just kinda talking in circles. We've established that you think shut the fuck up was the worst thing you said. Now we need more evidence. We can't work with the amount of information you're giving us so the comments are just kind of pointless until we reach the next step. The next step is you posting your logs so we can move the conversation along, unfortunately :/

I know you don't want to post em, but that's the only way to move on from here. I haven't down voted, or voted in your poll (due to lack of solid information)... in fact, I've only up voted your response to my comment because it was a good, civil response. And that still got down voted lol.

So ya, people don't respect people who post threads saying their ban was unfair and expect everyone to just take their word for it. I don't blame em really either. Don't expect up votes or anyone to take you seriously if you don't post your evidence. Unfortunately that's just the way it is man.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

More than half of the votes for "yes" on my poll are duplicate accounts, and 3 of them are from people who came in here just to be toxic assholes, downvote all of my posts, vote "yes" and leave. Prime example being JamesTiedye. And yet all of this goes unpunished? You wonder why so many players moved from NA to EU....

AeroWaffleMay 17, 20167 votes

Erm, how are you able to determine it's from duplicate accounts?

People can vote without leaving comments.

JamesTiedyeMay 17, 20166 votes

This player is just upset people don't agree with them. Their actions in the comments show how toxic they truly are,whining doesn't do anything

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes

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This player is just upset people don't agree with them. Their actions in the comments show how toxic they truly are,whining doesn't do anything

You're completely toxic. Dont try to tell people what to do, lol.

SkettchyMay 17, 20161 votes