Should Riot allow chat restrictions to be controlled by other players?

xXRaichopXx·Dec 30, 2015·4 votes·1,501 views

Ok so I just got a 10 GAME chat restriction. Just because I got in an argument with a toxic that was cussing me out. Then this person gets their "friends" in the game to report me then I get a chat ban. I reported them but of course it didn't work because I didn't get the "thanks to your report they were banned" or whatever it says. Should people that are level 30 really get to decide? They were not in the game. If you read JUST my chat of course it looks like I'M the toxic one!!! Its funny because it says "you are one of the 5 percent of the people that are toxic". Really? That's funny because I have seen MUCH MUCH worse people on league. Riot you are killing your game...

47 Comments

PIMPSMOOTHDec 30, 20159 votes

What you type is in your control.

If you can't resist the troll bait that's on you.

xXRaichopXxDec 30, 20158 votes

That's true...now i'm just going to use the mute button a LOT more.

Deep Terror NamiDec 30, 20153 votes

I will upvote this one because this is precisely what you need to do if you have a hard time controlling your reactions to their taunts. Trolls want you to get angry; when you oblige them they win.

Dark LuisitoJan 1, 20161 votes

yes but then u get reported for no communication with the team. either way hes fucked.

Deep Terror NamiJan 1, 20162 votes

Honestly I hate having to repeat this, but; Nobody has ever been punished for not communicating. The report option had no purpose and was even removed. Riot never did and will never discourage you from muting toxic players.

PryotraDec 30, 20155 votes

I recommend this. It really makes this game playable.

SexySoapTurtleJan 1, 20161 votes

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What you type is in your control.

If you can't resist the troll bait that's on you.

People like you make me laugh

ThePartyLeaderDec 30, 20158 votes

Is it too hard to consider that possibly both of you were toxic. You just happened to have more of a history of it since punishments are based on multiple games not just one.

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20154 votes

If you only look at 1 player's chat, you can't tell who's toxic or not.

ThePartyLeaderDec 30, 20156 votes

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If you only look at 1 player's chat, you can't tell who's toxic or not.

Actually you can. Doesn't matter what someone said to you. If you are insulting them, cussing them out, or anything similar you still are toxic. Riot has been pretty open about the punishing retaliation as hard as anything else

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20153 votes

That's true, but you can't say that only 1 is being toxic or 1 is being more toxic without reading both of the chat histories.

DaenDec 30, 20154 votes

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you can't say that only 1 is being toxic or 1 is being more toxic without reading both of the chat histories.

Fortunately, neither of those points matter. If you look at one player's chat logs in a vacuum, you can see if that player is being toxic. That's all you need, whomever is more toxic isn't relevant.

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20152 votes

What does matter is the fact that one person is reported for being "toxic" while the others who are also toxic (or_ are more toxic_) don't get touched.

Dark LuisitoJan 1, 20162 votes

i got chat restricted for repeating what someone said. the whole thing is a joke

xXRaichopXxDec 30, 20153 votes

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Is it too hard to consider that possibly both of you were toxic. You just happened to have more of a history of it since punishments are based on multiple games not just one.

No it is not too hard. Just in this case they were toxic...

DaenDec 30, 20158 votes

There are a few misconceptions here I want to dispel:

Then this person gets their "friends" in the game to report me then I get a chat ban.

Punishments are calculated per game, not per report. If 9 people in a game report you, it has roughly the same weight as if only one person did so.

I reported them but of course it didn't work because I didn't get the "thanks to your report they were banned" or whatever it says.

This pop-up only appears if your report was the final one that led to a punishment, every other valid report that went into a particular player's punishment doesn't trigger that message.

Should people that are level 30 really get to decide? They were not in the game.

? If you are referring to the Tribunal, it has been out of action for years. Punishments are handled by Riot directly, based on player reports from those that were in the game with you.

Overall, if you receive a chat restriction it's either based on a pattern of numerous games or one with a particularly high spike in toxicity. Regardless of how other players were acting, your chat restriction came because your behavior was deemed unacceptable. If someone is being toxic and cussing you out, ignore him/her, don't retaliate.

xXRaichopXxDec 30, 20152 votes

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There are a few misconceptions here I want to dispel:

Punishments are calculated per game, not per report. If 9 people in a game report you, it has roughly the same weight as if only one person did so.

I understand that too.

This pop-up only appears if your report was the final one that led to a punishment, every other valid report that went into a particular player's punishment doesn't trigger that message.

I understand that now.

? If you are referring to the Tribunal, it has been out of action for years. Punishments are handled by Riot directly, based on player reports from those that were in the game with you.

---That's not what it said to me...

Overall, if you receive a chat restriction it's either based on a pattern of numerous games or one with a particularly high spike in toxicity. Regardless of how other players were acting, your chat restriction came because your behavior was deemed unacceptable. If someone is being toxic and cussing you out, ignore him/her, don't retaliate.

PryotraDec 30, 20154 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

3PowerDec 30, 20153 votes

See, now why isn't shit like this reportable? Isn't taunting a form of verbal abuse?

PryotraDec 30, 20152 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] <- I'm about 95% sure this was created for exactly the purpose I used it for. Look up "Pendragon smite" on google if you don't believe me. So many threads like this while people got their popcorn ready for Penny to come in and lay down the truth.

3PowerDec 30, 20152 votes

The point is that it's hypocritical for riot to demand that everyone be all buddybuddy and respectful at all times, and then have shit like this that is implied taunting in a single image.

PryotraDec 30, 20154 votes

I'm pretty sure there is a line between playful jabs and getting into arguments/actual verbal abuse.

This isn't verbal abuse. Verbal abuse (also known as reviling or " verbal bullying") is described as a negative defining statement told to the victim or about the victim, or by withholding any response, thereby defining the target as non-existent. I responded, but without anything negative or defining.

Taunting someone would be to provoke or challenge them with insulting remarks. This isn't taunting. There is no insult, unless it is insulting to you that I am reading all this while enjoying a nice batch of popcorn. Even then, I'm making no challenge or provocation.

The two aren't the same either, as one is simply to harm, while the other is to provoke. There is a distinct difference, and knowing is half the battle.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

3PowerDec 30, 20152 votes

I'm pretty sure there is a line between playful jabs and getting into arguments/actual verbal abuse.

IN LEAGUE? BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

What do you think half of these reports are for?

PryotraDec 30, 20153 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

People like you?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

3PowerDec 30, 20152 votes

Sadly true. For the stuff you pull free of consequence here.

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20154 votes

This is true, other players shouldn't be the only ones who are deciding if one should get banned/chat restricted or not. If Riot wants their game's community to be a good one, they're going to have to fix many of the problems, from balance to the Tribunal. People even report ME when I'm saying throughout the game "good job guys", "keep it up", "don't forget item 3285 !", "wow! nice play!", "we can still win!", "good luck, have fun!", etc., everything you would want a teammate to say...while others are just cussing all the time and don't get chat restrictions. rito pls fix 90% of the community so we can play in peace :3

EDIT 1: I've read all of the recent comments and this has gotten popular fast. It is true that the Tribunal is down, but Riot-controlled or Community-controlled, it needs to be fixed. People are false-reporting now too, and I've seen SO many people say SO many rude things all the time.

EDIT 2: I'm back again, and, after 2 hours of shopping, this board has gotten popular (sadly with -9 votes, at the time). I don't know what the downvotes are for, there is nothing wrong with this board. We Summoners are trying to have a discussion while somebody here is being my perfect definition of "toxic". This whole thing is going alright, but knowing more about the Tribunal still doesn't affect how one is reported while the others aren't.

EDIT 3: These boards and forums need a mute button....

EDIT 4: Sorry guys! I just can't resist all the edits. :3 Every minute, more people read this post. Some downvote. Some upvote. Still, I do not know why these posts and boards are getting downvoted. Shouldn't we want people to try and work together? I hope Riot fixes this community, at least a little bit, so we can start getting into games without everyone being so toxic all the time. This is a good game, and we should be in teams with good people.

EDIT 5: This is probably my final edit since I'm debating in my head whether or not I should remove my posts. I STILL don't know why EVERYBODY IS DOWNVOTING my comments and this board itself!!! There's nothing wrong with it, we're just talking about how these reports should be fixed...I don't know why all these people are hating on it....

xXRaichopXxDec 30, 20153 votes

AMEN!

3PowerDec 30, 20151 votes

To be fair, "we can still win" is often bullshit, and can come off as trapping behavior.

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20154 votes

What's wrong with staying positive? And this comment is my example of cussing, thank you.

3PowerDec 30, 20151 votes

Would you go a funeral and say "WELL AT LEAST HE DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY HIS TAXES!?"

Be positive in positive situations, be negative in negative situations. Failing to do either comes off as obnoxious at best and trolling at worst.

Edit:

Also people cuss. Get over it.

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20153 votes

This is a game, get over it. So WHAT if somebody says "we might still be able to win guys, we just need to work together". Is it really that big of a problem? What's obnoxious is people like you getting mad over people like me trying to be nice to my team.

3PowerDec 30, 20151 votes

This is a game, get over it.

You can use that argument for anything, including player behavior. "He told me to kill myself" "It's a game, get over it."

So WHAT if somebody says "we might still be able to win guys, we just need to work together".

Because we're not actually able to win, and ten minutes later we'll lose anyway, irregardless of whether you work together with your team or not. Because this is a game of numbers in the end.

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20152 votes

But:

Also people cuss. Get over it.

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20153 votes

Do you even know how to read? Saying "we CAN still win IF we work together" is NOT saying "hey guys, I Garen tee we're going to win this round." Apparently you don't know how "teamwork" works. Working together is one of the things you need to do in ranked games. With a bunch of negative people not working together, nobody's going to win unless you have some kind of Master/Challenger tier smurf on your team...and that's not likely going to happen.

3PowerDec 30, 20151 votes

Are you fighting with yourself now?

Evêñtfûl HôrïzôñDec 30, 20153 votes

Where did I say I was? This is a large argument, and I'm not wasting my time on you.

AJStarhikerDec 30, 20153 votes

2 Points:

The number of reports received doesn't matter. 1 or 9, it only checks if there were any reports. That's to protect solo players from mob reporting.
The punishment notice only appears if you have the last report needed for a punishment. Just because you don't see the message, doesn't mean it was useless.

xXRaichopXxDec 30, 20152 votes

Ok I understand that part now...thanks!

3PowerDec 30, 20152 votes

The number of reports absolutely does matter. If you make "false" reports, (the criteria of which is not defined by riot games) your reports fail to count. In cases like this, its better to have more people reporting someone.

AJStarhikerDec 30, 20152 votes

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The number of reports absolutely does matter. If you make "false" reports, (the criteria of which is not defined by riot games) your reports fail to count. In cases like this, its better to have more people reporting someone.

Here's how I understand the system to work: If two players report the same person, it uses the heavier of the two to determine how much to count that game towards a case.

So, if player A, who files a lot of false reports and has a very low weight, and Player B, who has a heavy weight and only a few invalid reports, both report Player C, then the system validates both players' reports, but only uses the weight from Player B for the purpose of making a case against Player C.

So, the false reports don't really matter. If it was a false report, then it will just be invalidated, anyway. If it's a genuine report, then odds are, other players with higher weights also notice and send in their own report that will be noticed and used.

NOTE: I am not with Riot, and have no knowledge of any specifics. This is simply my understanding based on several years' experience hanging around Player Behavior and Tribunal areas of the Forums and Boards.

3PowerDec 30, 20152 votes

The point is, the more people who report you, the more likely it is that one of them will be heavy.

AJStarhikerDec 31, 20153 votes

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The point is, the more people who report you, the more likely it is that one of them will be heavy.

No, you're missing the point.

A heavy report weight means that player has a history of not making false reports. Everyone has a line that, once crossed, means they're reporting. The worse your behavior, the more lines you cross, the more likely you are to attract heavier weighted reports.

xXRaichopXxDec 30, 20153 votes

Whats with the downvotes guys? I blame Teemo

MaybeASmurf1337Feb 11, 20162 votes

LOL

themachampJan 1, 20161 votes

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Ok so I just got a 10 GAME chat restriction. Just because I got in an argument with a toxic that was cussing me out. Then this person gets their "friends" in the game to report me then I get a chat ban. I reported them but of course it didn't work because I didn't get the "thanks to your report they were banned" or whatever it says. Should people that are level 30 really get to decide? They were not in the game. If you read JUST my chat of course it looks like I'M the toxic one!!! Its funny because it says "you are one of the 5 percent of the people that are toxic". Really? That's funny because I have seen MUCH MUCH worse people on league. Riot you are killing your game...

Letting other people control chat restricts? Are you mad? That be like the best chrstmas present ever for trolls. Even better than tahm kench and bard :O

MaybeASmurf1337Feb 11, 20162 votes

He means the tribunal.

ModKnightsKemplarJan 1, 20161 votes

Well, just because they didn't get banned doesn't mean they weren't punished.

Just because they weren't punished doesn't mean the won't ever. Sometimes it takes a pattern. They may have just gotten a warning this time.

Not all offenses are equal. If you used a slur, you gonna get punished right away, by an automated system. If you are negative and toxic, but use appropriate language (even some swearing seems to be okay most of the time), then you won't get picked up by the system, and an actual human person has to review the report. That takes time.

Other than that, I'll just echo what others have said; to not get reported, don't stoop to their level. You don't get to break rules just because they did. "They started it" is a childish excuse, and Riot won't accept it (good, they shouldn't).