WTF is wrong with the system punishing toxic players?

PERMA KILLER 187··2 votes·1,356 views

So i got my account that i invested a lot of time and money in perma banned about a year ago, ok, mby i will slow down with chatting, so now i have worked my way up to lvl 50 on new acc but along the way i also got warning that made no sense at all, with someone saying most toxic possible stuff about me, my family (cancer, die etc.) and i might be a little hot headed but i know i got my warning i had acc banned and i dont want that to happen again, so i dont go in, i just respont with, - stfu, cry me a river etc. whitch in my opinion isnt the end of the world when u compare to what is said towards me, but i just got perma ban for saying that, just responding, not provoking nothing, just responding to a toxic player, i got baned like 2 min right after a game, so i know noone is reviewing these reports, i just get the 2 reports from that toxic player and his premade and that is all it took for me to get perma banned, i also had no warning or anything for like half a year... I dont care, im not asking for an unban, just this is the reason why the game is dying and losing players, becouse riot obv doesnt care about anything, they dont look into anything, just ban players that get reported, and no i dont like to mute players, becouse mby they will give useful info at some point in the game eaven tho they are toxic... sry for bad english..

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FOR JUSTICE5 votes

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with someone saying most toxic possible stuff about me, my family (cancer, die etc.) and i might be a little hot headed but i know i got my warning i had acc banned and i dont want that to happen again, so i dont go in, i just respont with, - stfu, cry me a river etc. whitch in my opinion isnt the end of the world when u compare to what is said towards me, but i just got perma ban for saying that, just responding,

Tbh we all doubt you said just this, chatlogs needed.

not provoking nothing, just responding to a toxic player,

Which is your first mistake, you dont respond to toxcicity with more toxicicity. No matter who started it, its stilk toxic.

i got baned like 2 min right after a game, so i know noone is reviewing these reports, i just get the 2 reports from that toxic player and his premade and that is all it took for me to get perma banned,

One report is the same as nine, it doesnt matter how many people report you because all it does it trigger a review of the game. Its rated based off of severity x consistency, to avoid salt report punishments

i also had no warning or anything for like half a year... I dont care, im not asking for an unban, just this is the reason why the game is dying and losing players, becouse riot obv doesnt care about anything, they dont look into anything, just ban players that get reported,

Actually if they didnt care they wouldnt have this system set up. Also people said this game would die back in 2011, but here we are 7 years later. False reports do actually are ignored, and you're still on thin ice from a 14 day until you get the notification that your punishment status has improved.

and no i dont like to mute players, becouse mby they will give useful info at some point in the game eaven tho they are toxic...

No, you know they're toxic so under no citcumstances would they provide anything useful in the chat. This isnt an excuse to not mute them.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

Do you have your chat logs? Was your previous punishment a 14-day ban? That will help us figure out what's going on here, as the system cares about content and behavior, not the number of reports against you.

Azadethe1 votes

Personally Riot's kind of both offending me and gaining my support over time..... subtly.

I'm a pretty reactionary player, although I limit what I say, and it's usually limited to things like all chatting, "Please report insert champ name for inting" or telling a bragging opponent, "Not like you didn't have a insert champ name feeding you."

But..... in Season 7..... that was enough for bans. And fast. You could go through an account in about 3 months for saying that people were feeding religiously. (Personally I think it's insane that's even a reportable offense, when you're the ONLY person on your team with a positive KDA, large one, protecting 3 lanes at once because your team is running out and feeding, no cs, etc, and you play 1000 games/5 months).

I literally got a perma ban 2 games after a 14 day ban was over in Season 7..... because I literally got run down the mid feeders RIGHT AFTER I got back, and like any normal person, I complained.

But...... this season.... is interesting. I got a 10 game chat ban back in February, shortly after receiving 6 int feeders in my Placements on a new smurf account in week 2 of the season.

Since then, I got 2 Markers recovered on my honor. However..... last week, after 3 months of being discipline free, I got a 10 game chat ban again (aparrently reset to Tier 1 punishment).

What was interesting though is.....

-These chat logs included Pregame and Post game. They've never done this before, and it correlates with their change in ToS.

-I'm regularly rage prone vs feeders. No cussing..... just 14-15 lines over the course of a game that has the "please" report lines..... maybe a pessimistic start to a game where I say level 1 "We constructed a Talon feeder team," or "No CC s Yi. Great....."

Yet..... it took 3 months + to trip off a second offense. Compared to 2017..... it seems like Riot has got a little more forgiving on discipline.

Both of those changes impress me.

On the first point: The majority of feeders only say something in Pre game or Post game. They live under the auspices that those chats are safe. The fact Riot has started tracking those means more of them will potentially be caught. It might also increase discipline vs post game serial ragers who go on a 20 minute rage spree vs a teammate or two.

On the other hand.... I would personally like to have Riot be consistent with its probes rather than always changing the rules. (The Tribunal NEVER banned me while it was in play.....it took a robot system to ban me).

On the latter point: I do appreciate some sympathy/leeway on players who aren't extremely toxic, who generally just talking about reporting feeders. Mild offenders shouldn't be treated the same as a salty sailor who doesn't know when to stop.

On the other hand..... again.... I wish Riot would announce changes to policy. (You might argue it isn't a policy change... but I've been exactly the same amount of offensive for the last 4 years, and I find right now, other than when we had the Tribunal, is the most lenient time, and I generally talk reports in half my games or more.... because almost always, someone goes 0/6 or worse. I really love games that start off 4/20, where none of those deaths are me, and I'm a support so I have a real hard time pulling them out. I REALLY enjoy it when the feed is all to a Talon or a Yasuo, allowing them to outscale anything other lanes can throw at them).** I'm also a statistician, and there is no regression I can run at this time that determines Riot's policy to be the same.**

Xidphel1 votes

isnt the end of the world when u compare

The system doesn't do that.

saltran1 votes

Post chat logs so we can see why you are permabanned.

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