Trolling when I play Sona support

Aeaithwen·Feb 10, 2018·9 votes·1,463 views

I get that tanks are meta now or whatever but it's irritating when my adc purposely trolls because I choose to play Sona support. My win rate with her is usually around 60 percent or higher so it's not like I'm super bad with her. A lot of games my adc will literally say once the ranked game has started "Sona is a useless champ" and will then proceed to run into enemy bot lane with no regard to his or her health. I wouldn't care if this didn't happen so many times, especially in my promos. I should be allowed to play who I best with without worrying about my team purposely feeding because of my champion choice.

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OnlyYouCanHearMeFeb 10, 20183 votes

As a fellow Sona main, I definitely feel your pain. Especially with her not being in a good place right now, a lot of people look at her as being one of the lower tier supports (at the moment). And in some respects, I can see where they are coming from. She really did suffer quite a bit from the round of nerfs.

If someone is bound and determined to troll, there isn't too much you can do to stop them. But if they are just uncertain about the champion in general, you might try talking to them about your particular playstyle with her, and your reasons for picking her. I've had people ask me if I can play a tank instead in the past. And I'll tell them that yes, I'm capable of playing someone like Leona, but haven't played her much since season 5 and I'm a Sona one-trick, and that if they want the best chance of us winning, it's with me on a champion I know how to play. They usually are okay with that, because no one is legitimately going to ask someone to play a champ they haven't played in 3 seasons in ranked.

Another thing that helps, and I'm not sure if this is an option for you, is duoing with an adc. My best friend and I play together, and he's usually my adc, unless he decides to run in another lane. He knows what my champion is capable of by now, and what she's not. He knows how her healing and damage have been nerfed hard in the early levels, but he also knows that once we hit about the 30-33 minute mark, as long as I have one AP item, I've hit Sona Scaling Phase and even if there is a fed carry on the enemy team, we're in the game no matter how far behind we may have gotten. And if we were ahead? Ha. Put me with a carry and a tank, and we're a rolling juggernaut.

But a lot of adcs don't necessarily want to wait for their support to scale. They expect their support to start off strong, which realistically, most of them do. But just because they expect it, doesn't mean they get to demand it. Just play your best, try to explain your reasons if you can, and if they insist on trolling, report them.

[sona-playing]

formerly VentressRedeemed

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20181 votes

i really dont see anything wrong with sona. the real issue i can see is she has high mana cost and can run oom rather fast

OnlyYouCanHearMeFeb 11, 20181 votes

Well, I would think that unless you happen to be a strong enthusiast of the champion, you probably wouldn't see anything wrong with how she feels now. The easiest way I can point out just how disgusted the Sona mains are with what happened, is by directing you to the champion masters on op.gg. You won't find any of the die-hard Sona mains, like Sonaka, ranked anywhere on there anymore. Which is sad. Because you could always count on seeing them being at the leading edge of the newest trends, and guiding the mains community in the right direction.

She was already one of the squishiest champions in the league, and then they nerfed her base armor, her base ad, her damage on her Q, her heal on her W, her mana costs on Q, and I think a small nerf on the mana cost of the W also. Then they nerfed the rune kleptomancy, which is one thing she was good at using, but they also nerfed aery. And with all the mana cost increased they gave her, they nerfed the cooldown on manaflow band.

The recent offer to rescind a portion of the mana cost nerf to her Q by 10 mana was something, but given that it didn't even completely revert the entire mana cost nerf in the first place, and didn't address the damage nerf at all, fell flat.

I've played this champion, and truly loved her since Season 3. I even changed my name to her champ selection quote, and I often have her on my desktop wallpaper. I love playing Sona. But this nerf hurt bad. Most champions should have at least some element of forgiveness in their kit, be in due to self-peel, heals, dashes, shields, etc. Sona's have all been hit so hard that if she gets caught out in early levels, her own heal/shield cannot save her; she has no peel, and she has no armor or magic resistance. Positioning has to be virtually flawless to keep from dying. And even then, it's very, very difficult. And I realize that's part of the tradeoff for having a champion with a strong late game, that they must have a weaker early game. But Vayne has a weak early game, and doesn't explode if you auto her twice. They can leave at least some of the basic stats of the champion in place. I totally agree with nerfing the shield/heal and Q damage, if you are looking to cut her early game power. That does it. But the other things were just overkill.

I went from 68% winrate last season, to barely scraping by with a 50% this season. I've had to change my runes and build at least 5 times, and I still don't know if I've found one that will work, but it seems like it's doing well. If nothing else, it's helping with the mana issues.

formerly VentressRedeemed

KlydeFrogFeb 11, 20181 votes

well she was pretty much the queen of bot lane because she was out damaging i dunno everything but she is still strong with her low cds and her ult giving al her base spells cdr. but i think building tear on her and archangel staff like some people do on taric would be most efficient and taking ancient coin over spellblade would again be more efficient. i feel like she can go mid and do well with her poke and such and not having to rely on using as much mana due to not having to constantly heal and shield.

OnlyYouCanHearMeFeb 12, 20181 votes

The main problem with taking ancient coin as support Sona is that you aren't getting the base mana regen from the item, and it's giving you cdr. Which sounds like a good thing in theory, but in practice, it means that you'll be using your abilities more, especially if you have an adc that you need to heal more, and you will go oom very quickly. I've tried it, and I personally don't like it, though it does work for some people. But for me, when I end up using my entire mana bar to heal up an adc that decides to derp into the enemy bot lane, I don't want to have to wait on the periodic mana coin drop, especially when my adc is so low in hp that they can't give any pressure to help me safely get to the coin. And a single really bad trade does end up taking her entire mana bar to heal up. The other problem with coin is that Sona really does need the AP for scaling. And if you're in a matchup where you will be building mostly defensive support items (Locket, Redemption, etc..) you suffer from not getting the early AP out of spellthief's.

They've made it so that it's almost necessary to build some sort of mana refunding item, instead of just a mana regeneration item. I do like tear, if it's a game where it can be bought and stacked efficiently. Though I've been playing her with Rod of Ages lately, and finding that finishing it early works better for me specifically, and gives me enough health to be able to stay alive when I'm in the middle of the fights getting my auras on my team.

It is definitely nice to be able to take her mid. Many people don't expect the poke from her, and as long as you don't let yourself get shoved under turret, she does really well.

KlydeFrogFeb 12, 20181 votes

ancient coin actually gives you more mana regen then spell thief. spell thief just lets you gain more gold tbh, i used to and still sometimes take it on alistar due to his high mana cost. the ap you get off spell thief isnt really anything, tear can be stacked on her effeciently to know end because she can always cast something. so here is what i suggest regardless of what you take as your primary runes or secound always take ultimate hat and transcendence, build tear into archangel staff then always build either or both iceborn gaunlet and frozen heart, why you ask your literally gaining like 40 ap per item due to transcendence and more ap due to more mana

OnlyYouCanHearMeFeb 12, 20181 votes

Ancient coin doesn't actually give more mana regen though. If you look at the numbers on it, it's giving 6% missing mana per mana coin currently. Spellthief's edge gives 25% base mana regeneration. For Sona, if you look at her level 2, which is when she's going to start running into mana issues by using both her Q and W, she has 373 mana, with 11.8 mana regen/5 seconds.

Which means that the maximum mana she can get back from a mana coin is (373 x 0.06) = 22.38, rounded to 23 mana per coin. The coins alternate between mana and gold, and minion waves contain 6 minions spawning 30 seconds apart. I've never gotten more than a single mana coin from an early minion wave; and I've run a few test runs just standing in the minion wave and letting it die around me to collect the maximum number of coins. Which would mean an absolute maximum of 23 mana that Sona can get refunded per 30 seconds using Ancient Coin at level 2., assuming she is able to get to the coins. In actuality, she's not going to be at absolute zero mana, so the value of the coin is going to be less than 23 mana.

Now, looking at Spellthief's Edge, it gives a +25% base mana regeneration per 5 seconds. This comes out to being [(11.8 x 0.25) + 11.8] = 14.75, rounded to 15 mana regeneration per 5 seconds. It's an increase of 2.95, rounded to 3, mana regeneration per 5 seconds. This is an additional 18 mana that she will regenerate every 30 seconds, whether she can reach a coin or not. For comparison, Sona would have to be down to 79 mana to have a coin drop that restored 18 mana. At any amount above 79 mana, the flat regeneration from Spellthief's is higher. And while the single coin may give a higher single number at any amount below that, it's still only going to drop one mana coin per wave, that she may or may not be able to get to.

ModPeriscopeFeb 10, 20182 votes

I'm with you on playing whoever you want in the bot lane. There's plenty of viable picks that can go there, and plenty more obscure than Sona.

AeaithwenFeb 10, 20182 votes

I just find it very annoying. It's crazy that even in a game, you have to follow "rules" like really?

KlarityFeb 10, 20181 votes

Theres a difference between rules and meta, you don't to follow the meta just mute the cts and get on with it. Easy as mate. (idk if we're allowed to say ct but imma sensor it just in case) Also looking at your match history no one has inted so I dont get what you're on about lol..

Mobile PhoneFeb 10, 20182 votes

What games did this happen in? Your adcs all have good kda's with the occasional game of where everyone gets dumpstered.

Im a bard 1 trick so i know how it is though.

AeaithwenFeb 10, 20182 votes

It was like 3 or 4 days ago lol so it didn't happen too recently but it's just kinda demoralizing when it does I guess.

General Esdeath Feb 10, 20182 votes

Too bad, promos are when you get the most toxic players =/ Riot needs to fix their system

Lios AshenbladeFeb 10, 20182 votes

I just hate when they start telling me what I should be playing lol, "locks in Ashe....you need to play a tank" OK well, you need to play a real adc

SangreDeNocheFeb 10, 20181 votes

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I just hate when they start telling me what I should be playing lol, "locks in Ashe....you need to play a tank" OK well, you need to play a real adc

Or I'm first pick and people are telling me what I shouldve built when most of them didn't declare their champs [sg-lux-2]

Lios AshenbladeFeb 10, 20182 votes

Screaming "We need a tank" at you, as they lock in teemo top

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20181 votes

teemo top kha jungle the list goes on

OnlyYouCanHearMeFeb 11, 20181 votes

Teehee. I used to see that a lot. It always made me snicker. If I'm feeling particularly sassy that day, I'll build an off-tank build on Sona. Back in Season 3, with her old kit, you could build her full tank and it didn't matter because of her base values. Now, I can't quite get away with the double Warmog's and Randuin's. But I'm not afraid to throw one of them in there. And my current flavor of the month build uses Rod of Ages for starters, so by the time I have RoA stacked, I'm getting some nice scaling, and getting the health I need. Then I can focus on either armor or magic resist as needed. Nothing like RoA+Iceborn Gauntlet+Thornmail+Remnant of the Watchers+Boots+Athene's/Archangel's Staff.

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20182 votes

that is my biggest pet peeve that pisses me off to know end. when people tell me what supp i should play .......lol the other day the adc was first pick and i was last pick and he asked what supp i want . i pretty much never respond to anyone and he was saying ill pick blitzcrank ( i dont own blitz btw. I was going to say yah that will work and force him to play it lol

Lios AshenbladeFeb 11, 20181 votes

When I am playing with friends, I dont really care what support they give me, I will play whatever, and its funny, but when Im in ranked, wouldnt you RATHER I play something with a really high win rate for me, rather than being like "Well...I havent played taric in a few years, but they banned leona"

HavokDashFeb 12, 20181 votes

Oh that drives me up the wall, when these "puppet master" players feel THEY get to decide what champ YOU play as support. And if you happen to pick something ELSE, other than what they told you, they will flame you as a troll and tell you "I told you to play a -REAL SUPPORT-"

They feel they get to dictate and tell everyone else what to play, But they are allowed to play whatever they feel like. (especially adcs. They will go tryndamere adc and you are supposed to accept it, But if you are skilled playing velkoz/veigar support, they will call you a troll and say "report X for not picking a real support"

CheapKillFeb 10, 20181 votes

Seems more like a bronze thing tbh, I hardly play tanks for my support in my games and no issues.

AndrionarFeb 10, 20181 votes

Sorry, but I actualy dont't believe in you. A few years ago, I used to play ad shaco support in silver with 80 % win rate and I didn't had a one person who ran in down mid, because I picked shaco. Can you give us some proof? In my opinion you were unlucky and it randomly happened a few times to ya. There always will be trolls no matter what elo.

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20181 votes

sounds like a plat game lol

KlydeFrogFeb 10, 20181 votes

you want to carry games just mute the adc and start building ap and youll climb