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Completely unfair 14 day suspension

BadAdc123··2 votes·851 views

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I got banned for 14 days for this. This stupid automated system is a complete joke. Ashe called me a ngger fggot in the pregame lobby and I got banned for 14 days because I said those 2 words in game. You can't expect me to accept this ban in any way.

Ps: I made a ticket already but I had to post this in the forums because I know riots support is complete garbage and I will only get a bot saying bans are never lifted and bla bla bla. it's completely unfair to be banned by this when I didnt insult anyone, I don't flame and I got banned for only this damn game. I want my ban to be lifted as soon as possible as it obviously is unfair. You can just see my messages and they are not negative at all

Proof that it's not a faked chat log https://gyazo.com/bd3e6452bad6164f6ec3c06defa5f27f

48 Comments

Dolyna3 votes

Lesson: Do not repeat hate speech. The automatic reporting system doesn't recognize the context, and just assumes you were being excessively toxic when you used them.

If you put in a support ticket, they may very well reverse your temporary ban. I've seen the same kind of thing get reversed here before. Just don't do it again.

BadAdc1232 votes

I know it's automated and I know it was dumb to repeat it, I just didn't expect the other kid to report me. I would name and shame ashe if it was allowed but I think it isnt. She deserves a perma ban for what she did. I just dont have any hopes in riot's support as I've been banned several times (justified bans I admit) and they just issue the same response. I have learned with my mistakes and I havent flamed in ages and now I get banned for hate speech lol

The Cream Reaper3 votes

Ashe called me a ngger fggot in the pregame lobby and I got banned for 14 days because I said those 2 words in game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILJFZUs-_U

BadAdc1231 votes

you again? I just posted this on the NA forums because I read this is where most rioters are and you do the same comment lol

The Cream Reaper1 votes

im sorry but i have nothing else to say about this :P

also riot is on neither in a higher percentage. it's just that na is more frequented than the eu one

BadAdc1231 votes

I read it in another post about an unfair ban so I thought i could try. It's also full of trolls by the looks of it lol these replies are actually tilting

The Cream Reaper2 votes

they're tilting because they don't confirm your existing bias about how you think riot works

bwop2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=iOunXP1L,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-06T16:26:31.065+0000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILJFZUs-_U

lmao

Jo0o1 votes

Classic donglover.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

They might reduce it to a chat restriction but it was still stupid to repeat.

BadAdc1231 votes

that would still be better than a 14 day suspension. It's so dumb that you can get banned because of words (in this case not even directed at anyone) and people who troll, int and afk dont get the slightest punishment

bwop2 votes

You literally said the "N" and "F" word, like what other people said, you should send in a support ticket and they may reverse the ban since their system is automated.

BadAdc1231 votes

I already said I did but I dont trust riots support, it's seems like they have bots doing everything for them

Xidphel1 votes

Gonna have to try if you want anything done.

Kei1432 votes

it's a pre-written copy and pasted response, as they have to deal with thousands of tickets a day.

Typing the same thing out every time would take too much time and is highly inefficient.

That said, the other times you were punished it was justified, just because you didn't get the response you were looking for, doesn't mean support is bad.

YokoNomi1 votes

{quoted}

You literally said the "N" and "F" word, like what other people said, you should send in a support ticket and they may reverse the ban since their system is automated.

Why though? Hate speech is frowned upon. Why would the argument of "But he said it first!" be enough to reverse it? That's something I'd sooner expect a 5 year old to use as an excuse. Not to sound like I'm harshing on the OP, but deliberately announcing hate speech is enough to trigger a point against you, however severe the system deems it's worth. It is what it is. The best thing that can be done is to learn from it, and do what you can to avoid repeating the same mistake. It's not worth it.

Though I do hope it gets reversed, if you truly did learn your lesson.

BadAdc1231 votes

<REMOVED BY MODERATION> I didn't call anyone an NF. I said she called me that thing and the automated system picked up those 2 words and banned me. Are you as "smart" as that automated system? FFs it really is beyond me how anyone can think this ban is justifiable. Just because the system works this way it doesnt mean the ban is right, like wtf?

YokoNomi1 votes

{quoted}

<REMOVED A PART OF A QUOTE - ULANOPO> I didn't call anyone an NF. I said she called me that thing and the automated system picked up those 2 words and banned me. Are you as "smart" as that automated system? FFs it really is beyond me how anyone can think this ban is justifiable. Just because the system works this way it doesnt mean the ban is right, like wtf?

I'm applying common sense here, so I'd had hoped you'd humour me to a point, but I suppose that's not happening. You ever heard the commonly repeated remark "Mute and move on"? Instead you decide to mimic a toxic player in response.

Look, you do you. But just because I have an opinion against your standing, doesn't give you the right to get all uppity with me. So sorry I'm somehow not entirely on your side. Though I suggest you avoid replying to this post, as I'd rather not bother arguing with someone on the forums so needlessly.

BadAdc1231 votes

you're the one who started saying I looked like a 5 year old using the argument she said first" dont expect me to reply nicely to you when you had everything but common sense in that comment. I have had 3 perma bans by now, I have done enough flaming, I don't flame anymore but of course I'm a human and get mad sometimes as everyone else. Just reading the damn chat log you see I wasnt negative at all, I got banned over a damn line of text. Should I repeat toxic words? Of course not. Is that a reason to get banned? Hell no. That's why Im going through the hassle of doing these posts. If I was the old me that flamed like a c+nt I would just go to my other accounts and keep playing since its not even a perma ban.

YokoNomi1 votes

{quoted}

you're the one who started saying I looked like a 5 year old using the argument she said first" dont expect me to reply nicely to you when you had everything but common sense in that comment. I have had 3 perma bans by now, I have done enough flaming, I don't flame anymore but of course I'm a human and get mad sometimes as everyone else. Just reading the damn chat log you see I wasnt negative at all, I got banned over a damn line of text. Should I repeat toxic words? Of course not. Is that a reason to get banned? Hell no. That's why Im going through the hassle of doing these posts. If I was the old me that flamed like a c+nt I would just go to my other accounts and keep playing since its not even a perma ban.

Except I wasn't harassing or insulting you. Merely made a comparison to the scenario as a justification to my opinion as to why I am against it.

BadAdc1231 votes

so if I compare your comments to those of a mad man it's not insulting you? Worst part is that it was hardly what I did. I didnt insult ashe because she insulted me. That would be the 5 year old excuse of "she said it first". My point here is i didnt direct those words at anyone, not who said them first. It was wrong to repeat them but hardly a justification for a 14 day ban

YokoNomi1 votes

{quoted}

so if I compare your comments to those of a mad man it's not insulting you? Worst part is that it was hardly what I did. I didnt insult ashe because she insulted me. That would be the 5 year old excuse of "she said it first". My point here is i didnt direct those words at anyone, not who said them first. It was wrong to repeat them but hardly a justification for a 14 day ban

The point I'd intended to make is that you said them because of another player saying them, regardless of the intent of its context. Please, try to be understanding. You could even say hate speech to a friend of yours as a joke, or as part of your friend to friend vernacular. But even under those circumstances, you can get in trouble for saying it. Simply saying them alone is enough.

BadAdc1231 votes

because the system is (obviously) context free and automated. That's why I feel it's worth making a thread about it. Just because the system caught blacklisted words in my chat doesnt mean I should get banned for them. That's why support exists but since I dont trust them I felt the need to bring it to forums. I just got pissed by people almost saying "oh if the system says it's that way then it must be that way". The system they have is far from perfect and even Riot knows it.

ModUlanopo1 votes

Hey, how about we do this without the insults? I removed a portion of your comment because it doesn't help your point.

Also, people should avoid repeating slurs in chat and, if that's all you did, please feel free to appeal via a support ticket, as they have the full context for the action.

Butt Ρlug1 votes

You realize that if every time someone gets insulted with one of those words they repeats them in chat riot support would have a ton of tickets about this issue ? So yeah i don't really think the ban is deserved but :

  • Asking for report is annoying, don't do that, it's useless 1report=9reports
  • Do you really expect a bot to understand all the context ? or do you really expect someone from riot to read every single chat log that gets reported every day in case something is taken out of context ?

I had to post this in the forums because I know riots support is complete garbage and I will only get a bot saying bans are never lifted and bla bla bla.

I hope you are happy with all the replies you got in the forums.. Seriously, if you submitted a nice ticket explaining the situation i'm sure it'll get solved, but** if you think the dude who is gonna review your logs is complete garbage maybe you should stay banned.** I've submitted a few tickets in the last months, i've ALWAYS been in relation with an human, of course they have a certain way to reply, they'll sometime use per-formatted replies, they can't say certain things, but it's an human.

BadAdc1231 votes

well I was in doubt if the replies I got were pre written or if it was a bot response. One person told me the first reply on these cases is always a bot and what I have to do is reply to it saying it's not solved and they reopen it or something

Butt Ρlug1 votes

The thing is everyone knows a bot won't understand context, but there are tons of people getting reported everyday. It's impossible for riot to make someone read all the logs and figure out what happened for every single report.

One person told me the first reply on these cases is always a bot and what I have to do is reply to it saying it's not solved and they reopen it or something

Yeah one dude told you that, and everyone else told you that it's not the case and that of course they are gonna use per-formatted replies.** If you search on the forums there are lots of cases like this one for example posted less than a month ago, here is the original post about that case where the bot made a mistake and the reported peoples were unbanned once they've politely reached the support.** It took me less than a minute to find those posts.

you are right about that but what's annoying is everyone said "do a ticket" when it's clearly stated in my post that already did one. It pisses me off when people comment as if they didnt read the whole post.

I don't get what are you complaining about, you seems to be pretty mad about it looking at your replies, but everyone get that the system isn't perfect, riot is totally aware of that. Nobody expect a bot to understand context. There is a basic trigger with words relative to hate, like kys/%%%got/.... and calling for reports is also considered as harassment so you took an automated punishment.

If you took the time to search for threads with similar issues you would have see that it's a relatively common issue that is usually fixed pretty quickly as long as you stay nice and polite, there is nothing to be mad about. Of course everyone told you to contact the support even if you already did because it's the only way to fix your issue.** What reply do you expect ? ** I find that there is so much hate in this thread but i don't get why...

Butt Ρlug1 votes

Here is another case just posted 5 hours ago, see there is nothing to be mad about, this dude is calm and so on, he didn't get his replies moderated because of all the insults..

Kei1432 votes

  1. why do you need to repeat zero tolerance phrases?

  2. why do you need to ask for reports when more reports don't make any difference when getting someone punished faster.

Dolyna1 votes

Well, if Riot knows that you have a past history, then they do expect you to know better at this point. So reversing the suspension would be doubtful.

BadAdc1231 votes

I dont have any history?? First ban on this account, it's not even permanent so if I was keeping up with my old ways I wouldnt even make a post about it, I would just switch to another acc as used to and keep doing my toxic thing. But I dont do that anymore thats why Im going throught the hassle of exposing myself to the insane amount of trolls in the NA forums

BadAdc1231 votes

I was advised to make a post in NA forum as well as more rioters are here supposedly. No one told me it had more trolls as well.

Jo0o4 votes

What kind of response did you really expect from people?

The facts are these: You wrote zero-tolerance phrases and got reported for them. You didn't do so in a hateful fashion, but there's no justifiable context for using words like that in League. You could have so easily said "Ashe used hate speech" without using specifics, or better yet, muted the asshole and reported them after the game.

There's a slim chance of leniency since you were kinda baited here, but that would involve a support ticket pleading your case, not a forum thread. All the community can do for you is look at your logs, say "yup, he said those words", and go about their day.

BadAdc1232 votes

I did a ticket and said in my post I dont trust riots support because they just issue bot responses on these cases. Luckily, someone on the EU forums already helped me on this unlike here on the useless NA forum where people are just trying to see who's more right and who's wrong. Almost every person here commented like they didnt even read the whole thing and just try to get their own point across. I reported her, I didnt mute her because she said that stuff in pre game lobby chat and both me and her just didnt flame eachother. Did I do a mistake in saying words that the automated system could pick up? Yes. Should that ban me? Of course not, it's a system flaw but most people in the NA cant seem to get that unlike on EU where most people actually understood my problem. I wonder why.

BadAdc1231 votes

Oh and as almost everyone said, I should do a ticket (Even though I said I already did) so I'll just not give a fuck about these posts anymore as:

1.People dont seem interested in helping 2.Americans just want to voice their opinion

Jo0o4 votes

I read the thread you made in EUW, it had a similar response. More negative, in some cases. You still haven't answered my question of what you were hoping to accomplish with this thread. A slew of upvotes to validate you? A hashtag movement? Riot Tantram descending from on high to personally pardon you?

But sure, make this about nationality.

BadAdc1231 votes

are you retarded or something? I already said why I even made a post here but again, you just want to spew your bullshit opinion about me. I said I made this post to get rioters to see this because people said there were more rioters in NA forum. I couldnt care less about your opinion

Jo0o4 votes

But you already had a rioter reply to your other thread, and all they offered was telling you to make a support ticket and echoing the point that repeating toxic phrases is a bad idea. Because that's all that a forum thread is ever going to accomplish in a situation like this.

So... are you waiting for ANOTHER rioter to answer you, or something?

BadAdc1231 votes

He did that comment exactly 31 seconds before I made this thread. Maybe I hadnt seen his comment yet because I was checking another thread where I saw the comment about more rioters being on NA rather than EU? You're trying so hard to make me look wrong that you dont even think about what you are writting. You just want to make me look like I think I'm important. At least I dont think my opinions are dogmas.

Edit: Also, he ignored my question afterwards so yeah, another rioter answer would be nice

Jo0o1 votes

I'm not really trying to make you look wrong, I'm just trying to illustrate that there's not much "help" you can really get here.

You broke the rules, but not the spirit of the rules, so your best chance of getting helped is leniency from somebody on the receiving end of a support ticket, which is rare. Otherwise, you just gotta serve your two weeks and stay clean after that.

I don't think my opinions are dogmas, but I am a regular on the boards and have a good bit of experience with how these things go down, so what I'm telling you is more than just my knee-jerk reaction to your single case.

BadAdc1231 votes

I dont have to serve 14 weeks for this its a wrongful ban. Oh sure I said bad words but I didnt mean anything with them. It's a "knee-jerk" ban by a stupid system lol

Edit: well not stupid but surely flawed

Jo0o2 votes

In a community where zero-tolerance words and phrases are treated with instant 14-day bans for the first offense regardless of context, your use of those words and phrases triggered a ban without considering the context. There's nothing wrongful about that.

There's a reasonable argument to be made that the system is stupid or flawed for working this way, but I'd reply by saying that seeking out context for every incidence of hate speech and making a subjective determination is unrealistic, in terms of resource use, consistency, and execution. If repeating the hate speech of others is excused, then do the floodgates open the second one person uses it? Is it possible for Riot to interview everybody who talks like that to determine if they meant harm? Are "jokes" permissible? Should the system detect sarcasm or irony? Do people get passes for just being tilted?

BadAdc1231 votes

I corrected myself, the system isnt stupid, it's flawed. But it's the only system that can work on such a large player base. Unless they come up with context analysing AI I doubt it will change because there's no other option. All those things you mentioned reinforce the idea that the system has flaws. That's why I'm appealing to humans because machines can't help me lol

Kei1431 votes

People can't help you here.

Telling you to go to Riot support is the best tip we can give you.

If you don't like our solution, you go figure out one that works.

BadAdc1231 votes

you are right about that but what's annoying is everyone said "do a ticket" when it's clearly stated in my post that already did one. It pisses me off when people comment as if they didnt read the whole post.

Edit: My replies here arent really helping my cause so I will just stop replying to useless comments.

AraMoOse1 votes

{quoted}

I was advised to make a post in NA forum as well as more rioters are here supposedly. No one told me it had more trolls as well.

A troll is not someone who disagrees with you.

Negativity1 votes

Voicing ones opinions is not solely an American thing, I know society in EU is meh but all people feel the need to express their opinions

I am so lucky I have freedom, Merica

Gall1 votes

This is stupid and anyone who says you deserve the ban is stupid.

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