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Why is getting banned so easy now?

Napöra··4 votes·2,202 views

So I started playing on this account about a month ago, and I am already on a 14-day suspension. I am just so confused on why riot bans people so easily for such a little offense. Give us a tool to disable the chat box or something because just a small argument without even a curse word being said can get you a ban or chat restriction. LCS pros say worse stuff on stream and on stage but yet they can represent the esport, their team brand, and riot games? Toxic is such a vague term, same as the word bullying, and I feel as if the report system works off of quantity over quality. There are people out there that ruin games on purpose but the system can't detect them running it down mid, but it can detect a small heated discussion in chat. I am in no way a "toxic" person, everyone has arguments, everyone has bad games, everyone has bad days. I have been playing video games all my life as have most of you guys and league is the only game where my personality is questioned. Why have I never been banned, muted, chat restricted or warned in any other game? Two small arguments out of 146 games shouldn't mean anything, that's 1.5% of my games where I have an argument that is considered "toxic" in riot's eyes... I miss the days in gaming where the stress of being "toxic" didn't exist... I enjoy playing league of legends, I enjoy buying skins because I'm a cosmetic junkie, but if riot keeps the crazy bans up, I can't see their numbers player and skin wise increasing.

all you forums junkies can now comment; GG n00b don't be toxic next time you were banned for toxicity, deal with it all bans are deserved /mute all

25 Comments

Umbral Regent7 votes

First of all, I don't think streamers represent Riot Games or the E-Sport. Streamers represent themselves first and foremost, and what they say in their streams (not in their League of Legends matches, mind) is not within the jurisdiction of Riot Games.

They can yell, gripe, whine, bitch, and moan all they like on stream, but if they do so in League, and if they're reported for it, they'll get punished for it.

Moving on, you say you got punished for a "small argument" - it is possible, sure, because an argument is still an argument, and it detracts from the game, but I'm wholly disinclined to believe you since you didn't provide your chat logs from the gate. Without your chat logs, we can only take your word for your punishment, and we tend to try to avoid doing that.

Toxicity, I'd agree, is a mildly vague term. I personally use "toxic" to refer to players who go out of their way to be assholes to others. Toxicity and rule-breaking go hand-in-hand, but one can break the rules without being toxic.

Bullying, though, is not a vague term. Bullying is harassment, plain and simple.

...and I feel as if the report system works off of quantity over quality.

It doesn't. There's no focus on quantity in the IFS. Any report past the first is disregarded, and there's no other signs that any quantity is taken into consideration beyond number of recent negative games (in the case of lighter chat-related punishments).

...but if riot keeps the crazy bans up, I can't see their numbers player and skin wise increasing.

You probably can't see it because you're looking at it from a small scale perspective. There's millions upon millions of people playing League of Legends, and the playerbase is fairly likely to keep increasing, as are their sales.

If you want to call the ban crazy, provide proof that it's crazy. Show us your chat logs, and also, tell us if you've had previous punishments (like a 25-game chat restriction).

Oh, and, one last thing...

all you forums junkies can now comment; GG n00b don't be toxic next time you were banned for toxicity, deal with it all bans are deserved /mute all

Are you here to discuss Riot's punishment system, or are you here to try and make yourself a forum pariah? Because, you're not going to get much from a discussion if you're going to make sweeping generalizations to insult the boards.

Napöra2 votes

You're right I didn't post the logs because personally, I didn't think it would help any situation, I'm not appealing a ban I'm discussing the infrastructure. I should have used the word broad for bullying because of the fact name calling and physical altercations fall into the category of bullying.

Riot games employees have stated in interviews there is a decrease in LCS viewership in all regions, and I'm assuming their player numbers are also going down just from seeing how fortnite and other games are kinda taking over peoples interest.

Also, those terms I used at the end were there as a joke, considering they offended you, I guess that proves my point that forum junkies use those terms more than they should. Maybe I deserve a ban from the forums for "offending" you since that's all it takes these days.

Geauxx2 votes

Riot employees stating viewer ship going down has nothing to do with playbase going down; considering the reason behind the viewership going down is how stale the pro scene is.

People go to watch flashy and exciting plays by the best players in the regions... only to be met with a 30-40 minute farm-fest waiting to see who makes the first small mistake.

Napöra1 votes

Like I said if you continue to read my statement. I am assuming the decline because of the growth of other games such as fortnite dividing peoples attention. It's a valid observation.

Geauxx2 votes

It's a possibility, a very likely one.

I think we'd have to find out how many of those viewers are afk viewers(leaving stream on while doing something else)

chronicbomber4202 votes

i feel like this has truth... but not really riot banned me for 2 weeks after i had my account for 3 years for saying one sentence i was like "dude fk you feg". while it was bad i admit thats hate speach and just as much verbal abuse as i received and that won't stop the problem but i shouldn't have lost my account for 2 weeks while the other dude that got into and argument didn't get banned because even though he called me white trash and thats not racist under riot standards. but after that i play league like once a week haven't spent one dollar and i prolly play fornite once a day now, i would say thats a player leaving this community because they don't like riot and how they run their game. it's like when walmart gets bad publicity don't buy meat from walmart its old and the worst cut. people are saying don't play league youre just going to play have a little fun then deal with player telling you to kill your self, you are garbage anything to degrade you and get away with not getting banned and if your read these board so many people are allllll saying the same thing and i got a response read the board many people get banned and complain riot is doing their job like yeah so these players getting banned not getting help not being told how they can play the game and have fun they all feel unfairly judged but riot can easy say nah your just as bad as that person your mad at you don't have any right to tell us how you feel

ModPeriscope5 votes

GG n00b don't be toxic next time you were banned for toxicity, deal with it all bans are deserved /mute all

Other than /mute all, none of this is "good advice." I wouldn't even say these phrases appear seldomly.

Bans aren't always deserved, but I will say that they are +95% of the time.

chronicbomber4201 votes

i understand they can't make a perfect system, and no they can't go back and fix something after its already done. but what they have is garbage and pretty much just teaches players to be disrespectful in ways that don't get them banned

ModPeriscope3 votes

but what they have is garbage and pretty much just teaches players to be disrespectful in ways that don't get them banned

I don't see how you argue that the system teaches these things when there are punishments for poor behavior and rewards for not-negative behavior. I'm sure with any system, that there will be players that try to work around it; however, this system is not designed to keep negative players in the game.

Umbral Regent2 votes

You're right I didn't post the logs because personally, I didn't think it would help any situation, I'm not appealing a ban I'm discussing the infrastructure.

Allow me to reiterate:

If you're going to say something along these lines;

I am just so confused on why riot bans people so easily for such a little offense.

...but if riot keeps the crazy bans up...

Then you should provide your chat logs and note your punishment history. I'm well aware that you're not trying to appeal your ban, but regardless, your discussion does involve saying that the IFS punishes for ridiculous things - yet you don't provide any evidence to that effect.

Your chat logs would either prove that mild offenses can trigger a punishment (and, bear in mind, if you've had previous punishments, there's little reason for the IFS to let up, and you're only naturally going to go to the next tier), or prove that your particular offense was less mild than you try to sell it as.

Either way, little discussion can be had about Riot's "crazy bans" if you're not gonna provide proof.

Riot games employees have stated in interviews there is a decrease in LCS viewership in all regions, and I'm assuming their player numbers are also going down just from seeing how fortnite and other games are kinda taking over peoples interest.

So......What? Battle Royales are just a new fad. That doesn't mean that League of Legends is gonna die in the next month because a new Fortnite came into its own.

League has already cemented itself as a super-popular MOBA game, just like Overwatch has as a Hero-based Arena Shooter, and Fortnite/PUBG are starting to cement Battle Royales.

Overwatch hasn't died because of PUBG/Fortnite, and League hasn't died because of Overwatch. New fads don't kill good games.

Also, those terms I used at the end were there as a joke, considering they offended you, I guess that proves my point that forum junkies use those terms more than they should. Maybe I deserve a ban from the forums for "offending" you since that's all it takes these days.

Oh, no, god help me, I'm so offended, my chilled snowflake veins are crisping up as we speak! /s

If I took offense, you'd really know. There would be no subtlety about it.

So, going back to my question: What is the point of this post - to discuss the punishment system, or to incite a reaction for the luls?

Choose your point now, 'cause I'm not gonna bother with someone who uses the facade of genuine discussion to try and poke fun at those who would try to discuss with them.

Napöra2 votes

You seem to spend a ton of time on the forums writing huge posts according to your account history, I frankly don't know why you assume I said the league is dying, of course, league will not die in a month, no one said that. You're very exhausting to reply to, because of the fact you only assume, and don't read/understand what is being said. I have already stated this is an opinion on the infrastructure of the banning system. I refuse to argue with someone who reads to reply instead of reading to understand. thanks for stopping by my thread to voice your opinion.

chronicbomber4203 votes

dude they did it to me too, they act all high and mighty and when you prove them wrong your discussion will get shut down by riot

GeminiRune3 votes

Wait a minute. How does the decrease in LCS viewership equate to easier punishment? Better yet how does it even elude to further punishment unless you're one to imitate a controversial figure at the time? That and the observation factor feels like a hole in the discussion that shouldn't really need any mention if it were me.

To each their own interest is what I say. Esports and gaming shouldn't have to be a fight for the most prominent title in which those who fall under have to concern and stress it.

Geauxx3 votes

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Oh, and, one last thing...

Are you here to discuss Riot's punishment system, or are you here to try and make yourself a forum pariah? Because, you're not going to get much from a discussion if you're going to make sweeping generalizations to insult the boards.

People only do that to try and mock the very likely comments that he/she are about to receive thinking they will gain some form of higher ground

Prob best to just assume the entire thread is only a rant and move on

chronicbomber4202 votes

actually i think your wrong streamers and e-sports represent league, why is there a streamer of the week on the client? dude the players are leaving LMAO they all on fortnite where there isn't a toxic community that is easy to get banned in and doesn't even work or help their players. I've already said this, they have no way of helping the problem they just give players ways to work around the system and don't even stop players from actually changing they just take your money and say it's your fault

MagicFlyingLlama5 votes

I dont know about "easy", maybe if one is rude and immature.

Most players never get a single restriction, and a very small percentage get a chat restriction.

Getting to a ban before 30 means someone is completely without control or ignorant of social norms.

Napöra1 votes

I use the word "easy" in comparison to my other account which I've had since beta, 8-9 years-ish and I get one 14-day vs one 14-day in 1 month.

chronicbomber4201 votes

Or maybe it's a free to play game and people find it fun to just troll

ohn0se5 votes

Their system is absolute shit and they refuse to own up to it. They can't program an algorithm to detect feeders and/or trolls. All they have the intellect to do is "if (chat)=="[list key ban words here] then ban." It's beyond disgusting that they get away with this while not at all programming anything to detect actual trolls. Players will grief you here on the boards and downvote your complaints, but actual players understand and relate to the real issues.

chronicbomber4204 votes

It is straight Garbage!!! they don't teach people what they are doing wrong and how they can be better people, they just blanket ban you on an algarithim that has to prove you did wrong by reading chat and not the whole context of the situation. but if someone says fk you or feg thats cool it isn't the real word, where theres a will theres a way for someone to get around the system and does riot care they just say "what can we do you want us to go back in time to stop it for you" like that could ever happen we want yall to fix it but nahhhh because you got mad said one thing and that means "responding to verbal abuse doesn't mean you aren't verbal abusing" cool to bad we can't stop people from just being so verbally abusive in the first place so i don't have to deal with it every other game. but i digress fornite is actually fun and you can play it without someone telling you to kill your self. and whats hilarious is riot seems to think these kids aren't influenced by their game and school shooting don't occur they could care less about the mental health and influence their game has on society

Dolyna4 votes

Frankly, I've been amazed that Riot is so strict about chat. This is a PvP game. Any competitive online game will inspire toxic behavior. As it is, Riot will punish even somewhat negative chat if it's repeated often enough. Riot gives an automatic two week suspension for use of hate speech or telling people to commit self harm, which is fine, but a lot of people say things like that as a matter of routine, without thinking about it. Once they're corrected with the suspension, any offense no matter how small will earn a permaban, which seems excessively harsh to me. It's a quick one-two combination that can catch many players by surprise.

On the other hand, I very much enjoy the reduced amount of toxic chat. I never speak negatively in chat myself, so all is good.

BroLane3 votes

Post your logs, or your argument has no validity.

YerroFever2 votes

but it's actually really easy to not get punished...

Lleajy1 votes

What do you get from chatting with random kid A ?

Napöra1 votes

I feel as if people report because they CAN not because they were offended or harmed in any way. We give people a little bit of power and shit hits the fan.

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