Wrongly banned for intentional feeding for bad game

Sipnethin·Mar 10, 2018·5 votes·1,086 views

Hello, I received a 14 day suspension for intentionally feeding when it was not intentional. The enemy Master Yi got very fed off an invade gone wrong and he was hard counterjungling me. Because my lanes were also losing, they could not contest his invades, and I died constantly in my jungle and when I went to gank because my lanes were so far behind. I could not farm and was underleveled so whenever they saw me, they just cc me or chase me down. The only thing I could do to prevent more deaths would be to afk because I was too far behind and they just kill me in a few hits.

Reverse this, thank you. Intentional feeding is for those who run it down to grief teammates not for someone who has very far behind, has a bad game, gets invaded all game and is severely underleveled and underfarmed because enemy team snowball.

28 Comments

Who Fed RuMar 10, 20185 votes

you went 0/15/0. In a 20 minute game.

I don't even get such scores when i'm actually inting, and I simply cannot believe that anyone who is actually trying would ever end a game with such a score.

Edit: And when you look at the kill map, you died minute 0 and minute 1 in your own jungle, then you got killed by Camille under her tower, min 3 and min 4 you got killed by Tristana close to enemy bot tower, and minute 6 again by Camille top lane close to the enemy tower. until then you weren't even level 3. So you want to tell me you tried ganking there? Ya sure, "not inting". I can tell how it went: You were mad cause you got invaded and killed, then got killed by MasterYi again in your jungle, and then just went inting. If you ask me, this case is closed.

exitforeverMar 10, 20182 votes

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you went 0/15/0. In a 20 minute game.

I don't even get such scores when i'm actually inting, and I simply cannot believe that anyone who is actually trying would ever end a game with such a score.

Edit: And when you look at the kill map, you died minute 0 and minute 1 in your own jungle, then you got killed by under her tower, min 3 and min 4 you got killed by close to enemy bot tower, and minute 6 again by top lane close to the enemy tower. until then you weren't even level 3. So you want to tell me you tried ganking there? Ya sure, "not inting". I can tell how it went: You were mad cause you got invaded and killed, then got killed by again in your jungle, and then just went inting. If you ask me, this case is closed.

Completely agree, lets just see what Riot has to say.

Ph03n1xb1rdMar 10, 20184 votes

Can you upload a replay somewhere?

BTW 15 deaths 20 min, 0 kill participation, your lanes didn't lose THAT bad (6-4 MF, 6-12 bot (adc and sup), 3-3 Kassadin, and 7-6 kled). Actually I'm TOTALLY sure, that you were inting, but the replay would show more.

I'm honestly surprised that they EVER handed out a punishment for inting, since on my other acc I int every 2nd or 3rd game, and never got any punishment :O

Yasuo VS RivenMar 10, 20181 votes

My friend got permad for going I think 4/14 for "inting" when he wasnt feelsbadman

Ph03n1xb1rdMar 10, 20184 votes

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My friend got permad for going I think 4/14 for "inting" when he wasnt feelsbadman

X-Doubt

Imperial PandaaMar 10, 20181 votes

That is probably due to consistency. When consistent, every 2nd or 3rd game, it just looks like a bad game.

Ph03n1xb1rdMar 10, 20181 votes

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That is probably due to consistency. When consistent, every 2nd or 3rd game, it just looks like a bad game.

Ye it's totally consistent to carry my team every 2nd game, and then go like 1-11 every other game xD (Since bc of the trolled games i'm on lower elo where I should be, so I can carry if I want to win)

Imperial PandaaMar 10, 20181 votes

Every other game. So yes, consistent.

Ph03n1xb1rdMar 10, 20181 votes

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Every other game. So yes, consistent.

You probably do NOT understand what consistent means in this context. Consistency means that I play on the SAME level almost every game. Right now in low gold I switch between low silver and plat level plays. This is NOT consistent.

Even if it is consistent, why am I allowed to ruin their games?

Imperial PandaaMar 10, 20181 votes

I understand the context of consistent. Consistent is also a pattern. An example I'll pick is that 100 Yi 0 TK guy.

As far as the system could tell, he was great at Yi. Also as far as the system could tell was that the guy was a shit TK.

If you use the same champ then you will hover about 50% with that champ.

I'm not saying it is good to ruin the games by any means. Simply offering my 2 cents.

Ph03n1xb1rdMar 10, 20181 votes

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I understand the context of consistent. Consistent is also a pattern. An example I'll pick is that 100 Yi 0 TK guy.

As far as the system could tell, he was great at Yi. Also as far as the system could tell was that the guy was a shit TK.

If you use the same champ then you will hover about 50% with that champ.

I'm not saying it is good to ruin the games by any means. Simply offering my 2 cents.

I rotate 3-4 champion randomly. So there is no pattern that i'm good with one and bad with the other. So still no idea why it's not banned yet...

Umbral RegentMar 10, 20182 votes

...since on my other acc I int every 2nd or 3rd game, and never got any punishment :O

Suuuuuure. And on my other account, I'm in Master Tier.

I'm honestly surprised that they EVER handed out a punishment for inting...

Maybe look around the boards, and your surprise will fade a bit? There's a fair few players who show up here on PB time and again saying they got punished for intentionally feeding.

Though, at this point, I'm just about certain you're just trying to make it look like the system never punishes intentional feeders. If that's the case...Good luck proving that much.

Ph03n1xb1rdMar 10, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hvE0qgH9,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2018-03-10T17:40:26.439+0000)

Suuuuuure. And on my other account, I'm in Master Tier.

Maybe look around the boards, and your surprise will fade a bit? There's a fair few players who show up here on PB time and again saying they got punished for intentionally feeding.

Though, at this point, I'm just about certain you're just trying to make it look like the system never punishes intentional feeders. If that's the case...Good luck proving that much.

Saying that you have an account when your skills are much higher than your current one is not really feasible, but I said I have a LOWER account around bottom gold, where I can do this.

BTW the inter punishment system doesn't work, that's why i'm surprised. I look around and don't find too much about it maybe 1-2 every month.

Kei143Mar 10, 20182 votes

I know you are always doubtful of riot's system, but if you hang out here often enough, you'll see people complaining about getting banned for inting.

AJStarhikerMar 10, 20183 votes

Because proving intentional feeding is more difficult than picking out chat toxicity, it takes more games before getting banned.

That means this wasn't the only game involved. It wasn't "one bad game" that got you banned. It waas a pattern of behavior that hit the tipping point with that game.

You can try a support ticket, but if there is any history of inting on your account, it's extremely unlikely to be reversed.

SipnethinMar 10, 20181 votes

No, there was no history, just one game referenced for int feeding

anmyauntieonpoMar 10, 20181 votes

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Because proving intentional feeding is more difficult than picking out chat toxicity, it takes more games before getting banned.

That means this wasn't the only game involved. It wasn't "one bad game" that got you banned. It waas a pattern of behavior that hit the tipping point with that game.

You can try a support ticket, but if there is any history of inting on your account, it's extremely unlikely to be reversed.

nope this isnt true. support says when i asked that inting on first occurrence is an automatic 14 day ban.

AJStarhikerMar 10, 20181 votes

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nope this isnt true. support says when i asked that inting on first occurrence is an automatic 14 day ban.

Yeah, the first punishment level for feeding is a 14-day ban. I never said otherwise. But I've never seen an inting ban issued for a single game. And that goes back to S1/S2.

Imperial PandaaMar 10, 20182 votes

Try to submit a ticket on the support page.

Edit: You died 10 times in the first 10 minutes. First death to Karthus before the first minute.

SipnethinMar 10, 20181 votes

Yes, that was an invade

Jo0oMar 10, 20182 votes

I can see how a mistake could have been made here. Most of your deaths are in your own jungle, and the first death is in an invade situation. I see no deaths under enemy turrets or stuff like that. Good luck with your support ticket.

Timethief49Mar 10, 20181 votes

0/15/0 you were lower level than your support. This seems highly unlikely. Write a ticket to the Riot games support https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new they might look at it.

SipnethinMar 10, 20181 votes

Yes because they were in lane receiving leech exp while I was in jungle unable to get camps.

HdtvAWMar 10, 20181 votes

Give the man a break, if for some reason a diamond + smurf decided, to ruin a silver 4 player game to the point where he just dies as soon as getting out of the fountain, it's actually a very easy thing to do, hell 15 deaths is actually low, outside of him going afk he could have easily died 30-40 times if targeted specifically.

YoNightmare7Mar 10, 20182 votes

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Give the man a break, if for some reason a diamond + smurf decided, to ruin a silver 4 player game to the point where he just dies as soon as getting out of the fountain, it's actually a very easy thing to do, hell 15 deaths is actually low, outside of him going afk he could have easily died 30-40 times if targeted specifically.

15 deaths in 20 minutes is low?

It's genuinely impossible to die 30-40 times in a 20 minutes games, just saying.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 10, 20181 votes

0/15/0 for Shyvana 0/10/3 for Brand 1/11/1 for Taric... jungle 1/11/0 for Nunu 1/12/2 for Nunu 0/13/1 for Nunu 3/14/2 for Xin 1/12/3 for Rammus 6/17/8 for Xin

Some of these might be a bad game, but most of these are just straight up feeding. Whether it's intentional or not, that remains to be seen. However, let's look at other games.

14/4/6 Mundo 2/2/9 Mundo 18/3/16 Mundo 3/2/5 Rammus 10/3/2 Udyr 8/1/3 Udyr 8/8/24 Nunu 11/2/13 Shyv 13/8/16 Shyv 15/1/9 Mundo 13/6/8 Olaf 9/5/6 Mundo

Hrm. You either feed your ass off or you hard carry. In the games you do poorly in, they end at 20 minutes. It seems your teammates just want to get out of the game at any cost. You have a fraction of the farm you do in other games. All other games before these were ARAMs. In one game, you have 13k gold yet you only have one single item and no boots or anything else. Haha, I bet those games you ruined sure were funny, huh? The only thing that isn't funny about this situation now is that it's only a two week ban instead of a perma.

You're either intentionally feeding. Or you're a new player who sucks at the game, but you have someone play on your account who is good at the game. Take your pick, both are bannable offenses, provide a replay of one of these games and then we'll talk.

Jo0oMar 10, 20182 votes

It's not like those were all consecutive games. And he's had pretty strong games interspersed with them.

I think he's just a newer player, getting jacked up in games against strong opponents. In the games I've looked at where he gets terrible KDAs, he's dying in his own jungle. Tough to intentionally feed in your own jungle, right?

As far as I can tell, he got dumped into Silver 4 after going only 2-8 in placements, and likely belongs somewhere in Bronze instead. He's gonna lose a bunch of games before his MMR corrects. Shit happens. I'm skeptical that there's malice here.

Edit in response to your edit: Account sharing is a possibility that I had missed, good thinking.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 10, 20181 votes

The fact that his previous games are only ARAM is the most suspicious. ARAM is the quickest way to level up an account. It's possible he bought his account, or that he's a smurf after getting another account banned. Possibly for feeding, possibly for boosting, either way he's likely doing something wrong and it's very very clearly not just one game like he wants us to think