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Banned? Toxic? You be the Judge.

Lightlegendary··1 votes·535 views

Hi Everyone,

So I just got permanently suspended (without ever being suspended before) from League of Legends for filing a complaint of my 25 game chat restriction for 3 games of chat logs that are barely toxic if at all. I would've copied all three but since my account is banned, I can't get them. I would be very happy if Riot could release them for me. BUT luckily, I have copied my game 3 chat log that triggered my suspension and which I also shared and explained to Riot through my complaint. Here it is:

Game 3 Lightlegendary: SKT Lightlegendary: kog item is good if u can lane safely Lightlegendary: but it wasn't smart to buy that vs draven Lightlegendary: its obv not ur aim Lightlegendary: but ur not playing it right Lightlegendary: if u die 5x in 8 mins Lightlegendary: means ur doing something wrong Lightlegendary: or several things Lightlegendary: fiora Lightlegendary: stop Lightlegendary: flaming isnt the same as helpful criticism Lightlegendary: ur not helping dude Lightlegendary: if ram and i can lock down draven and yi,m we might win Lightlegendary: rkaa Lightlegendary: help Lightlegendary: welp Lightlegendary: i won mid Lightlegendary: lol Lightlegendary: ;d Lightlegendary: ur getting reported after fiora Lightlegendary: toxic and afk Lightlegendary: pls report fiora Lightlegendary: ragequit Lightlegendary: gg Lightlegendary: who said no? Lightlegendary: O_O Lightlegendary: same Lightlegendary: gg wp Lightlegendary: wait holdup Lightlegendary: u lose bot so hard Lightlegendary: and u curse at us? Lightlegendary: lol? Lightlegendary: soraka just said Lightlegendary: "you ** pulled everyone boit vlad and lost us the lane" Lightlegendary: lol... Lightlegendary: haven't flamed bot lane once Lightlegendary: r u kidding me? Lightlegendary: im the only reason Lightlegendary: draven has 2 deaths Lightlegendary: i roamed BEFORE ahri Lightlegendary: so how did i pull anyone bot? Lightlegendary: lol? Lightlegendary: reportr soraka

So let me explain everything since we're missing my teammate's chats (Riot please share if you can). In the beginning, Kog'maw was being flamed by Fiora for going 0-5 in lane within the first 8 mins. Kog'maw refuted that it's not his fault and gave excuses. I believe the excuses were ganks but he got killed by the enemy bot duo more than by enemy ganks. However, each death, Fiora would curse and flame Kog more so I stepped in and told Fiora to stop because it's not helping. I then provided a strategy to get back in the game after winning mid lane and successfully roaming bot and killing draven (the fed enemy adc). If Rammus can lock up Draven, I (Vladimir) can finish him. However, it didn't go that way in our next fight and we got aced. Fiora flamed bot more and ragequit. I then said to report fiora for toxicity and rage quitting, and that convinced her to keep playing. Funny thing is.. Out of nowhere, Soraka starts flaming me for losing lane. She said that our bot duo lost bot lane because I "brought everyone bot" by roaming bot lane. My first roam bot lane was after bot lane was like 0-7 combined and lost first tower. My opposing mid laner, Ahri, never even roamed bot until I killed Draven who was pushing our second tower. Kog'maw also steps in and flames for me losing lane when I'm the only one that killed Draven for the two deaths he has. I also roamed bot when their enemy jungler was already bot lane so they're both speaking nonsense. I ALSO defended them when Fiora was flaming them. But I believe Kog'maw was mad because I hurt his feelings by telling him the hard truth that he is mainly responsible for losing bot lane (if you die 5x in 8 minutes, you're doing something wrong.") The point of that message was not to flame anyone but to see that the main problem is him and not the enemy jungler or our team so he can change his style of play. Yes, I could've roamed bot earlier or our jungler could've ganked or Fiora could've tped before Draven snowballed but when you're losing mainly 2v2 without any ganks, you're the problem. Until you realize that, you're not going to change the way you play. Simple logic, no? Could I have said it nicer? Sure. But we're playing a competitive match where people are already toxic and I don't have time to write out everything nicely. So I got straight to the point AND sided with Kog'maw by telling Fiora to stop flaming him with curses and rude remarks. At the end of the game in the stats screen, Fiora's FIRST comment was along the lines of "see vlad, this is what you get for being a nice guy." "There's only one way to talk to these idiots and that's not it." He continued to spew curses about them and that was it. So after that game, I probably got reported by Kog'maw and Soraka. Also, Fiora because I said to report her for being toxic and ragequit. Also, Soraka and Kog'maw both cursed at me, yet I get the chat restriction.

When I finally file a complaint to Riot, they ban my account without ANY explanation why. I did not receive an email with my chat logs explaining why I got banned. The only email I received was about why I was chat restricted and here it is:

Legendary (Riot Games Player Support) Oct 5, 4:33 PM PDT Hello, Could you be honest with me? Are you the original creator of this account? A common misconception is that chat restrictions are for extreme toxicity, that kind of behavior usually gets escalated to a 2 week suspension or even a permaban. When there is are instances of moderate negative chat like when you argue with others it can result in chat restrictions and the restrictions are simply meant as warning to be more mindful of how you use the chat in games. Legendary Player Behavior & Game Support Jarvan IV Jungle "For the King!"

Wait... So you get banned for extreme toxicity and yet, I got banned for filing a complaint? I KNOW I have not said ANY toxic remarks after my chat restriction. No curses. No rude remarks. Just a complaint.

Also, according to Riot Legendary (we have similar names haha), he says that "arguments" are not allowed. In this community, that's tehe same as saying discussions are not allowed. What is the point of team chat? Is it just for positive reinforcement (e.g., gj kog for not feeding 6x though!). Is it for strategy? We have pings for that. Team chat in ANY competitive environment is for discussion. Many pro teams in league use team chat to state what they did wrong and they fix it. THAT'S why they're pros. The best and ideal League player. The team player. They ADMIT their mistakes, not rage when someone points it out and provides a solution. Most discussions on League turn into arguments because of the level of maturity players have that play this game and also since it's a competitive game that can get heated. But overall, Riot doesn't care. That's why they don't provide explanations of why I chat restrictions or bans. They have a robot tribunal system. Why don't we just replace judges in court with robots? All they care about is making $$$$$$$$.

The BEST part of all this is League of Legends is dyinggggggg. Pubg has more viewers on Twitch at nearly any given time. CS GO has 60% the number of League of Legend's viewers at this time. Overwatch, Dota and Fortnite take up the rest. Pubg (made by Koreans who own League) is taking over the new crown! Pubg's creator Blue Hole is valued at $4.6 Billion when the game is still in the BETA phase! The community can be toxic there too but NOWHERE NEAR League. I haven't heard anyone say "kys" or "drink bleach." The main toxicity there is racism but most of the comments are funny like "China #1" Pubg has MORE viewers than League when Riot is holding the world championship! I can't WAIT until this game and community cease to exist and HOPEFULLY a better game with a BETTER justice system will be in place. After playing this game for about 4 years, I have finally called it quits. The level of stress that you get from this game with or without chat is not worth it.

Peace out. See you on Pubg or Heartstone or any other less toxic game. Thanks for reading :).

17 Comments

Chermorg2 votes

It looks like they most likely put a protective hold on your account until they can verify that you're the account owner and not sharing it. Once you verify that with them, they should remove the permanent suspension and revert it to whatever punishment you had before (looks like a chat restriction).

Yes, arguments where you flame people are not permitted. If someone is abusing the chat feature, your recourse is to mute their chat and report them, not to add to the negative environment they're already creating.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Lightlegendary1 votes

Finally a logical and reasonable answer! Thank you!

I agree that I got banned for the account not being originally mine.

The question is, where is the line between "flame" and "criticism." It seems that criticism is not allowed at all but what is the point of team chat then? Imagine if any pro team didn't provide any crticism throughout the match. That same player would probably continue to make the same mistakes until they most likely lose the game. Also, another player's play not only impacts him but my chances of winning, which is the entire point of ranked. There is no competitive sport or business venture that doesn't allow critcism between team members. That's ridiculous. If you can see any "flame" from what i've typed in the chat logs, please pinpoint it out and explain what I've said wrong.

What's the point of eyes if people are blind to their own flaws and mistakes? Ignorance has created the biggest wars, crimes and hate throughout history.

Chermorg1 votes

Hiya, sorry it took a while to respond, I saw the notification earlier then forgot about it o-o

The difference between flaming and constructive criticism is generally in how it's presented and the pattern over the game. If you're going to offer constructive criticism, go right ahead. Things like "melee minions under turret are 2 turret shots and 1 auto" are fine. But "wtf why do u miss so much cs under turret learn to cs" aren't. Offering legitimate advice once in a while is okay. Using legitimate advice to repeatedly harass someone for their mistakes is not.

Criticism is fine and encouraged. When you start using criticism as a tool to harass/berate other players is when it crosses the line into unacceptable. And it's not a black and white line, I can't tell you exactly when it crosses the line. Just try to keep the criticism constructive and don't say the same thing over and over again.

Mizuki Zahra1 votes

repost of the same thing

you already posted this

Lightlegendary1 votes

yes, in general discussion. This is player behavior. Not everyone reads general discussion and player behavior forums so I've posted on both to increase exposure especially when Riot employees with 20,00-50,000 lifetime upvotes downvote everything I write.

Mizuki Zahra2 votes

I didn't know you could see who downvotes you I'm sure riot employees are hired just to specifically down vote you as you are that important to downvote

Lightlegendary1 votes

lol it's obviously the people replying. Most of the commentators have 20,000-50,000 lifetime votes. You have 2.5k yourself. Either they never go outside, don't have a job and live and breathe league or they work for Riot. It's pretty obvious.

Also, it's common sense that Riot controls these forums since it's first and foremost a business. A business especially of this size will do what it takes to safeguard their image just as multi-billion dollar firms control the mass media by owning all the new stations.

Mizuki Zahra1 votes

Or they use mobile devices at work and like the forum community? I in fact am part of 5 active forums for different reasons, I have fan fiction for some of them.

You are just being a tinney

PresBushDid7111 votes

Wasn't quite sure what pubg was so I looked at the community website. Literally the 2nd and 3rd stories on the page is about a twitch streamer getting banned.

If I were you in would stick to hearthstone since they don't have an in game chat feature currently.

Good luck.

Lightlegendary1 votes

huh? Where dude?

https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&rlz=1C1VFKB_enUS596US596&q=pubg&tbm=nws&source=univ&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihm82Fl93WAhVKLSYKHW2UB8IQt8YBCDcoAQ&biw=1374&bih=927

The only noteworthy temporary ban was of "C9 Shroud" when he got banned for not killing "banana man" instantly but talking with him and fooling around in the game. You're not allowed to team with other players. I'm sure this is the twitch streamer you're talking about and I'm also sure you didn't explain why he got banned because it has nothing to do with toxicity.

TiltoverEnforcer1 votes

Lightlegendary: pls report fiora

Lightlegendary: reportr soraka

Asking for others to report someone is not only pointless, it's also a punishable offense.

Lightlegendary1 votes

It's not pointless at all. It's what convinced Fiora to continue playing the game.

Also, why is it punishable? In what real world example can you provide where telling the other party or strangers to report someone is wrong? For example, if a classmate of mine is not doing his/her part in our group project, can't I go to other groups and ask them to witness and report it to the teacher? Extra reports affect a player getting punished just as extra reports from other students can help prove what I tell the teacher. This is just one example on how Riot's justice system is flawed and breeds the toxic players its community has. Clearly, it's punishing the mature players and not punishing the immature ones in some cases like this one.

TiltoverEnforcer1 votes

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It's not pointless at all. It's what convinced Fiora to continue playing the game.

Also, why is it punishable? In what real world example can you provide where telling the other party or strangers to report someone is wrong? For example, if a classmate of mine is not doing his/her part in our group project, can't I go to other groups and ask them to witness and report it to the teacher? Extra reports affect a player getting punished just as extra reports from other students can help prove what I tell the teacher. This is just one example on how Riot's justice system is flawed and breeds the toxic players its community has. Clearly, it's punishing the mature players and not punishing the immature ones in some cases like this one.

I'm not defending why it should or shouldn't be punishable, I'm merely saying that it is. But at any rate, the difference between telling others to report someone in real life and doing it in game is that there is absolutely no element of danger in League of Legends. You ALWAYS have the choice to mute someone and carry on with the game. You consciously make the choice to, by telling others to report someone, beckon others to "gang up" on the person who, in most cases, is only having a bad game rather than actually being toxic or inting. Are there exceptions? Of course. But in most cases, toxic and inting players are fairly evident and telling people to report them is unneeded. When people try to get players to report each other, it's usually done out of rage and pride, rather than a sincere effort to improve the community, considering players understand we'll almost definitely never play together again. All that you have to do is mute them, carry on with the game, and report them after. No need to make even more drama out of it.

The thing about reporting in League of Legends is that whether 1 player or 9 players reported someone, the result is the same: the game is flagged for review. It doesn't make a note of how many players reported someone, as that could lead to premade parties abusing the report system. What I'm saying is that it's pointless because as long as you report them, the result will be the same, whether or not anyone else also reported them.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

League dying? LOL.

Lightlegendary1 votes

Yes, it's slowly dying. The player base is decreasing, due to the toxic environment and the vast majority of good games that are coming out. Pubg was the first game to overthrow League of Legends in years on TwitchTV for the most watched video game, even with the world championships taking place. Pubg is also in the beta phase so imagine what will happen when they finish the game? The company is already valued at $4.6 billion dollars and is fighting for the same player base as League. League is slowing dying and is no longer the king.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

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Yes, it's slowly dying. The player base is decreasing, due to the toxic environment and the vast majority of good games that are coming out. Pubg was the first game to overthrow League of Legends in years on TwitchTV for the most watched video game, even with the world championships taking place. Pubg is also in the beta phase so imagine what will happen when they finish the game? The company is already valued at $4.6 billion dollars and is fighting for the same player base as League. League is slowing dying and is no longer the king.

I've tried many games and I know a lot of people who will try many games for a bit but always come back to League. You do realize that every new game has a hype? Plus whether you wanna admit it or not nearly everyone at some point has been toxic in one way or another, just human nature to get mad sometimes. League has become more than a game. It's what brought E-Sports out of being only in Korea.

yesnobanana1 votes

The BEST part of all this is League of Legends is dyinggggggg. Pubg has more viewers on Twitch at nearly any given time. CS GO has 60% the number of League of Legend's viewers at this time. Overwatch, Dota and Fortnite take up the rest. Pubg (made by Koreans who own League) is taking over the new crown! Pubg's creator Blue Hole is valued at $4.6 Billion when the game is still in the BETA phase! The community can be toxic there too but NOWHERE NEAR League. I haven't heard anyone say "kys" or "drink bleach." The main toxicity there is racism but most of the comments are funny like "China #1" Pubg has MORE viewers than League when Riot is holding the world championship! I can't WAIT until this game and community cease to exist and HOPEFULLY a better game with a BETTER justice system will be in place. After playing this game for about 4 years, I have finally called it quits. The level of stress that you get from this game with or without chat is not worth it.

All screams with no facts lol

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