this is bull. i didnt do anything this person told everyone to report me and he told me to do a lot of things and i said a couple things back but RIOT PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ I SPENT 200 $ on this game and i just bought and 25$ card and i was just about to use it and now i get this.
Michael7022 votesThat's how it goes. He was probably in a premade. He can say anything he wants because your 1 report won't get him banned. But if you say anything (and I do mean anything), you will get banned because their votes will trigger an automated review. It doesn't matter if you said 1 negative thing after he said 100 to you. YOU will be the one banned.
IDK why Riot feels the need to do this to people. They already have a mute button and curse filter.
Forethought: I think it's funny people are down-voting me. Are they down-voting because they think I'm wrong? I'm not wrong. Are they down-voting because they don't like the way it is? Because I'm not the one that created the system. Riot did. Down-voting me isn't going to change anything.
Deep Terror Nami17 votesThis is categorically false. Premade reports only have the weight of a single report altogether. Also, reports merely flag a match for review; when a player receives too many reports in too few games a review of those matches is triggered; if negative behavior is found to be consistent and/or extreme, then they player may be punished. If they have done nothing to validate the reports then it won't hurt them, and the players making false reports will lose value in theirs. A match is flagged just the same whether it's 1 report or 9.
As for them saying 100 things and you saying 1, it doesn't really matter; all you do by retaliating with the same behavior is perpetuate the negative environment and make it worse. If someone is being a jerk in chat the only useful defense is muting and reporting them.
Even though players can mute and there is a filter, that is no excuse to be toxic. By the time a player is forced to use them you've already created a negative environment. It's up to you to control your behavior, not them.
An account ban is also not going to happen because of one game; 14 day and permabans are the 3rd and 4th steps in the 4 tiers of punishment. To get them you must have already gone past multiple prior punishments and continued your negative behavior, or been extremely toxic so as to warrant skipping tiers.
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4737274&page=13#post48926281
Michael7021 votesWhat is false? You didn't disprove anything I said. Everything I said is accurate. People can down-vote me all they want. Facts are facts.
Deep Terror Nami14 votesI literally gave references too haha
Michael7021 votesYeah. Thanks for citing sources. None of them contradict what I said.
HexaDecimel7 votesNone of them.....except for all of them. Riot has stated countless times that 9 reports in one game is no different from 1 report in a game. All they do is flag the profile for review. Number of reports in a match isn't the issue, its the consistency of games reported.
Michael7021 votesI didn't see you cite a source for that one. And no, none of them have contradicted what I said. You seem like a smart enough guy. Don't Trump yourself. (i.e. make stuff up because you know there are no repercussions.)
Chemical Fate1 votesriot plz can u help me i swear i will do anything
Chemical Fate1 votesim sorry riot can u plz give me one chance
RiotRiot Tantram29 votesThis was your 5th punishment (chance) in a short period of time. Each time you were given chat logs as evidence to help you understand what is not acceptable.
In the past we tried giving perma-banned players additional chances and virtually 100% of them were banned shortly after. We do not revert perma-bans unless it was done in error.
Dominick Destine3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-10-07T19:54:03.078+0000)
This was your 5th punishment (chance) in a short period of time. Each time you were given chat logs as evidence to help you understand what is not acceptable.
In the past we tried giving perma-banned players additional chances and virtually 100% of them were banned shortly after. We do not revert perma-bans unless it was done in error.
FIDDLING 
'd SON. These smites are the best reason to visit this board subsection.
Though I'd like to point out that I was permabanned on my first account in early S2 and started a new one, reformed completely and then was hit with a surprise zero-to-permaban (Which was nonsense, hence it was later overturned), so I think the "virtually 100%" is a slight exaggeration. Reform is highly possible with the right system.... just that the current system is draconian.
HexaDecimel4 votesIt wasnt overturned, it was reduced to a 14 day suspension.
Dominick Destine1 votesIt wasnt overturned
Reket DeAlk6 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=000000000002000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T02:39:27.551+0000)
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/omission
Leaving out your 14 day ban is a pretty big chunk of info.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Reket DeAlk,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020001000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T02:46:59.385+0000)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overturn Read again.
Reket DeAlk2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=00000000000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T03:03:03.495+0000)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overturn Read again.
And?
You still fail to mention everytime you use that word that it was overturned to a 14 day ban.
Hence the omission. Leaving out a vital part of the information.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Reket DeAlk,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=000000000002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T03:14:44.615+0000)
You still fail to mention
I don't "Fail" to mention anything, I say exactly what I mean to say.
The permaban was overturned.
Reket DeAlk4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T18:36:51.527+0000)
I don't "Fail" to mention anything, I say exactly what I mean to say.
Which is where the omission comes into play.
TrulyBland4 votes[{quoted}](name=Reket DeAlk,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=000000000002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T03:14:44.615+0000)
[You are] Leaving out a vital part of the information.
[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T18:36:51.527+0000)
I don't "Fail" to mention anything, I say exactly what I mean to say.
Well, here's to you finally admitting you are intentionally being misleading... and there's no way to claim it's out of context either. You replied to a very concise and unambiguous accusation by saying that what you are doing is quote-on-quote "exactly" what you meant to do.
HexaDecimel5 votesDoesnt matter how many times you read the definition. It doesnt change the fact that failing to mention that it was overturned to 14 days is being purposely misleading . All it is is an attempt to show yourself in a better light compared to riot.
Dominick Destine1 votesDoesnt matter how many times I read the definition.
I have fixed your initial sentence.
The definition is very clear. It is not my fault that you refuse to read it as it clearly states what I am conveying.
HexaDecimel4 votesNot sure why you are trying to convince yourself that i dont understand what you posted. Also not sure why you think it proves your point by altering someone elses post.
Dominick Destine1 votesNot sure why you are trying to convince
I already know that you will not be able to understand basic concepts , but somehow my audience has grown and my popularity has risen lately. I am more addressing the (Strangely high) amount of people that follow me/enjoy reading my posts.
Anyway the previous comment was intended to show how you may have missed the point, but they did not. They understand that the word "Overturn" means exactly what I am trying to convey, it is not complicated... the failure of someone to understand simple words is something beyond my control.
HexaDecimel5 votes
TyrekGoldenspear4 votesYou have a massive amount of patience...
I salute you.
HexaDecimel4 votesLol, it's key when dealing with trolls.
RiotRiot Tantram15 votesIf I recall (working off memory here), your account was perma-banned to lock it until you could write in. This is often times done when an account is found during manual review in case the account is compromised. A proper ban of 14-day was then applied. This isn't the same as being overturned.
The current system is designed to maximize reform, which is why players are given in-client reform cards. It is also why we give rather light penalties for first time offenders and ramp up the severity for repetitive offenders. The exception to this is of course extreme offenses.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=00000000000200010001,timestamp=2016-10-08T07:06:32.415+0000)
The current system is designed to maximize reform, which is why players are given in-client reform cards. It is also why we give rather light penalties for first time offenders and ramp up the severity for repetitive offenders. The exception to this is of course extreme offenses.
Sure, but I never committed any extreme offenses.... by your own admission, my crime was to be reported a lot but never to the level of meriting an instant zero-to-permaban punishment.
which is why players are given in-client reform cards.
I wasn't given a reform card, I had to put in a support ticket and go through several support staff until I was finally informed of the cause and even then it was very ambiguous... it took 8 months to finally be given full information.
RiotRiot Tantram20 votesYou didn't get a 'zero-to-permaban' like you post.
Your account was locked, until you wrote in.
Accounts are locked for many reason. Some reasons include account compromise and payment issues. That is like saying that someone was perma-banned because someone stole their account.
You were given an email that specifically told you to write in to player support to address your account issues.
I've also explained that you didn't get a reform card because you didn't go through the instant feedback system, you case was entirely handled by hand. So, I'm not sure why you are commenting about the instant feedback system and it being draconian, when it has in fact never affected you.
You also didn't reform completely if you were being constantly reported and were 14-day banned by manual review. I've had this conversation with you so many times.
Rivuo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020001000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T08:13:25.516+0000)
You didn't get a 'zero-to-permaban' like you post.
Your account was locked, until you wrote in.
Accounts are locked for many reason. Some reasons include account compromise and payment issues. That is like saying that someone was perma-banned because someone stole their account.
You were given an email that specifically told you to write in to player support to address your account issues.
I've also explained that you didn't get a reform card because you didn't go through the instant feedback system, you case was entirely handled by hand. So, I'm not sure why you are commenting about the instant feedback system and it being draconian, when it has in fact never affected you.
You also didn't reform completely if you were being constantly reported and were 14-day banned by manual review. I've had this conversation with you so many times.
how do you deal with some of these people and not go mentally insane from how young they are
''PLZ PLZ OMG UNBAN RITO WTF STUPID''
Dominick Destine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020001000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-08T08:13:25.516+0000)
You didn't get a 'zero-to-permaban' like you post.
Your account was locked, until you wrote in.
And yet the account specifically said "You have been permabanned" or something to that extent...
Do you not see how this relates to my statements?
You were given an email that specifically told you to write in to player support to address your account issues.
This isn't my first rodeo, Mr. Tantram; Every email says that. I've been permabanned before and I got the exact same message each time I got chat restricted/suspended/permabanned in early S2.
you case was entirely handled by hand. So, I'm not sure why you are commenting about the instant feedback system and it being draconian, when it has in fact never affected you.
Rioters that hit people with zero-to-permabans are also part of the draconian system. What was the purpose in giving me the most stressful days I've ever had just to get a hold of me? that is unethical at best and straight up torturous at worst.
You can argue that it was "just an account lock" but that's not what the account said, it outright stated that I was permanently banned. This was a source of extreme stress and anxiety.... I was not told the reason for my permaban until days after the zero-to-permaban was implemented.
I've had this conversation with you so many times.
We've spoken twice. TWICE. How is that "so many times"? And it took 8 months for me to finally get you to respond. I literally begged you to respond for 8 whole months before I finally got the full story as to what happened during that extremely distressing period.
You also didn't reform completely if you were being constantly reported and were 14-day banned by manual review.
Being accused of a crime does not necessarily mean one is guilty. I still hold to the belief that most of those reports were frivolous in nature and that the Rioter that handled my case manually made a severe error in judgment. My chat logs are the following;
[6:42] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Come on ziggs... [6:52] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you were WAAAAY overextended [10:55] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Far tankier than I expected. [12:11] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Wukong, you have ZERO damage. [12:21] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Just going to farm, bot has no damage, top has no damage, mid is basically afk. [12:44] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): counter ignoring janna [13:27] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I did 65% HP of Galio's max HP [13:28] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you did noithing [13:50] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you have no damage [21:16] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Yes. You are reacting much more slowly. [21:21] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Your earlier assessment was correct. [21:43] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You should have been talking to yourself. [21:47] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): That was a 37 second chase and you did not react. [22:02] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You were not dead, you were not oom. [23:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They'r eHEAVILY stacking MR [25:25] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): dont engage [29:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): We have zero perssure. [29:57] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They always have absolutely everything up. [31:50] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): so who keeps troll voting no [32:12] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I don't mind losing. However, it really irks me to be stuck with 4 feeders that troll vote no... sigh [32:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): "clean up" says the feeder. [32:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Just putting you on ignore, until you stop feeding you deserve no attention [33:48] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gg
Game 2: [12:44] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): ashe heal flash down 12:38 [13:36] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I didn't expect all 5 [16:29] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): bot and mid failed so hard, it was never winnable [16:58] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): "tilt" is just a word feeders use to make themselves feel better [17:28] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you hard-fed [18:32] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): It's been over for awhile. Bot and mid hard-fed [23:07] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gg
Game 3: [4:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): xerath flash 4:19 [7:31] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): darius?!? [7:34] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): DAIRUS?!??! [7:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What are you doing? [7:48] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): They're both under 20% HP [8:01] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): What were you doing? [8:09] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I am not fighting near you again [9:29] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): who cares.... [9:38] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you guys aren't even reacting to ganks. [9:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): it was over before it started, [9:57] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You guys,a s in my teammates [10:46] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): case in point [14:47] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): you fed him without him even using flash? [15:33] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I can't gank if you free feed him, he had flash [17:38] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): gj jihn [17:42] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): finally, a teammate that reacts [19:32] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): jinx flash 19:19 [20:25] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): Amazing. [21:03] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): oh well [27:43] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): / [31:45] [All] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): I have not seen darius ult a single time all game. [32:37] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): You and your duo queue fed them hard [32:40] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): it doesn't matter who I focus [32:51] Dominick Destine (Evelynn): putting you on ignore
I understand toxicity and know it well, again this isn't my first rodeo, but zero-to-permaban? at bare minimum my account should not have read "You have been permabanned" and should have read "Your account has been locked".
This is the main reason my first response was to think my account had been hacked because Riot had complete radio silence for days before I was finally informed of the reason. Basically although I admit my misdoings, I believe Riot GREATLY mishandled my case.
Ex:
It is also why we give rather light penalties for first time offenders
I was a first time offender and I was hit with a zero-to-permaban punishment which is reserved for the most extreme cases... a fraction of a fraction of the comnunity. And then when it was determined that the original assessment from the first manual review was wrong, I was STILL punished with a 14 day suspension. Forgive me Lord Tantram but...... that's bullshit.
HexaDecimel9 votesIt wasnt a perma ban, it was a lock out. Tantrum literally just explained it to you and you still cant understand!! It's actually really simple.
Dominick Destine1 votesIt wasnt a perma ban, it was a lock out.
1- The account said "permaban" when I tried to log in. 2- The Riot support ticket guy said I was permabanned. 3- When I was finally successful in getting the permabanned overturned no one said anything about a "lockout", I was specifically told that my permaban was going to be reduced.
This "lockout" argument is bullshit. At best you are arguing semantics and failing.... all evidence points to the fact that my case was mishandled. While it did have a somewhat happy ending, it does not negate the fact that there was a huge mis-step by Riot.
Tantram is remember wrong... or he is lying... and I say this knowing that Tantram could destroy me with a thought, if he so desired. I will stand my ground because facts, logic and reason are on my side.
Edit: Also, what the fiddle sticks do you think a ban is? it's literally a lock out, a lock out of your account. Your argument is trash on multiple levels.
HexaDecimel4 votesI do enjoy our talks ;)
TyrekGoldenspear4 votesEspecially when he never seems to learn lol.
EvilDustMan5 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=00000000000200010001000000000001,timestamp=2016-10-08T15:01:25.823+0000)
NO ONE CARES
Go home.
Dominick Destine1 votesDominick destine is correct in absolutely everything he says... he is also very sexy.
Yes, I tend to agree with your assessment, especially the last part.
But more to the point, shouldn't you be presenting actual arguments rather than nonsense?
EvilDustMan4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020001000100000000000100010000,timestamp=2016-10-08T19:47:59.727+0000)
Yes, I tend to agree with your assessment, especially the last part.
But more to the point, shouldn't you be presenting actual arguments rather than nonsense?
There is no actual argument. Go home. You are like the scazzman that is going to vote Trump.
GankRiven2 votestbh i resent that comment as i think trump is a better choice than shillary as he hasnt hidden/deleted over 30000 classified emails that werent on a government server with no proper security features. tbh tho bernie was the best choice for real for real :/
EvilDustMan2 votestbh i resent that comment as i think trump is a better choice than shillary as he hasnt hidden/deleted over 30000 classified emails that werent on a government server with no proper security features. tbh tho bernie was the best choice for real for real :/
Yea, I get that, and she basically feels like the stereotype of a corrupt politician, she has a similar voting record to Bernie.
Dominick Destine1 votestbh i resent that comment as i think trump is a better choice than shillary as he hasnt hidden/deleted over 30000 classified emails that werent on a government server with no proper security features. tbh tho bernie was the best choice for real for real :/
Of course he is a better choice, but this is not the place for such discussions.
Riot frowns upon political discourse in any of their boards..... but as a brief comment; Hillary is a feminist and thus, is automatically wrong. She literally said that the true victims of war are women; No, not the horribly injured men that return, not the corpses in the trenches, the WOMEN, sitting at home sipping their tea, that's the real victim.
WTF, who would vote for someone that would have such demented ideology? she wants a war with Russia and since she values the life of men so little, I can only imagine how bad it would get if someone so corrupt got into power.
GankRiven1 voteswomen can join the armed forces too. husbands who have wives in the military suffer too. sure she said the wrong thing but the intention is that those who lose their loved ones are victims regardless. have you ever felt the pain of losing a loved one? what about someone close to you? i have. its a horrible feeling. to be brutally honest...
Hillary is a feminist and thus, is automatically wrong.
i hope riot gives you a one day ban from the boards for your insensitive behavior. fr fr. we divorced now.
GULAG 4 U2 votesRiot tantram casually smiting DD's bs about player behavior.
Hero To Villain1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-10-07T19:54:03.078+0000)
This was your 5th punishment (chance) in a short period of time. Each time you were given chat logs as evidence to help you understand what is not acceptable.
In the past we tried giving perma-banned players additional chances and virtually 100% of them were banned shortly after. We do not revert perma-bans unless it was done in error.
Hey Riot Tantram! How far in the past was it when perma-banned players were given additional chances? I don't remember hearing of this.
ModPrandine2 votes[{quoted}](name=King Weiner II,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=0000000000020003,timestamp=2016-10-08T05:20:04.204+0000)
Hey Riot Tantram! How far in the past was it when perma-banned players were given additional chances? I don't remember hearing of this.
It was very far back, I think in either Season 1 or 2. It was called the Level 20 Challenge where they hand-picked some players to give a second chance to to try to get to lv.20 without being banned again (I believe that's how it worked but don't quote me on that though). The result: Absolute failure. From the Tribunal FAQ:
**Why can’t you give permanent banned players a second chance? You will receive a better player. ** Actually, this is the unfortunate problem. Allowing permanently banned players another chance is an extremely damaging cost. Do you know what the success rate of the Level 20 Challenge was? 5%. Do you know that for each person, they clearly outlined the toxic behaviors and had 1 on 1 conversations with the players to try to improve their behavior? These are players that were hand-picked by Player Support staff because they felt the pleas from these players were genuine. The success rate was still 5%.
Do you know how many games on average these players played? 100 games / month. When a permanently banned player fails to reform, they are creating miserable experiences for hundreds, maybe thousands of players a month. That's not a cheap cost or a low risk and we cannot consciously justify that, for the sake of the rest of our players.
Chimp Joker1 votesI got to say. Your username is very ironic.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesI know you guys like to say only a tiny (1%) part of the community is toxic, but how many times have you perma-banned people?
Hero To Villain1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gxTzEErZ,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2016-10-07T19:54:03.078+0000)
This was your 5th punishment (chance) in a short period of time. Each time you were given chat logs as evidence to help you understand what is not acceptable.
In the past we tried giving perma-banned players additional chances and virtually 100% of them were banned shortly after. We do not revert perma-bans unless it was done in error.
Riot Tantram, can I please talk to you? I feel like you're the more understanding and more straight forward Rioter. I just need some questions answered and having to wait 4 days every time I send in a ticket is such a drag.
notsohotso1 votesHey, can you review a post I made about my punishment? I sent a support ticket to riot to about 45 hours ago and no response.. I made the post yesterday. Thanks
GankRiven1 votesoh yeah babe spit that how firey justice out on em. love ya babe keep up the good work! <3