Perma Banned for helping my team

AE navE··2 votes·6,914 views

Hey AE navE,

Just wanted to let you know that I’ve updated your request (#31490810). Just reply to this e-mail or click the link below to add any additional comments.

http://support.riotgames.com/hc/requests/31490810

Best of luck on the Fields of Justice!

Skeletor Skeletor (Riot Games Player Support) Aug 25, 10:00 PM PDT

I appreciate the offer, but I have all the information on my end to confirm the information. As there are no new questions I will have to be closing out the ticket :(.

Best,

Skeletor Riot Games Player Support

AE navE AE navE Aug 25, 9:42 PM PDT

What if i proved to you that the account was hacked? I have emails from riot support

Skeletor Skeletor (Riot Games Player Support) Aug 25, 9:30 PM PDT

I have looked into your concerns and I don't see any inductions of unauthorized access to the account. As this is the case the suspension would be justly placed and will not be removed.

If you have anything new you would like me to address please let me know.

Skeletor Riot Games Player Support

AE navE AE navE Aug 25, 8:12 PM PDT

Wait so you didnt ban me for being toxic..? But thats what you last emails have said? And also for the 5 time... This account has been HACKED by someone thats not me!!!! The hacker was TOXIC... I on the other hand are the opposite of toxic according to your last email.

Skeletor Skeletor (Riot Games Player Support) Aug 25, 5:12 PM PDT

There is a gray area in toxicity, these chats are not excessively toxic and would fall within the lines of continued negativity. This account has been warned many times about the behavior and because it continued after multiple warnings we were forced to issue the final discipline to the account.

I know that there are accounts that are unbanned and I have already reviewed this account for that process, however looking at the account's history another chance does not work in this situation.

All this aside, there is no one above me who handles these matters and regardless of which agent I give this to they will all give you the same answer. Also, note that the founder doesn't answer emails :(.

If you have anything new you would like me to address please let me know.

Skeletor Riot Games Player Support

AE navE AE navE Aug 25, 2:04 PM PDT

These chats you have provided are strategic and helpful to my team, in no way are these toxic. In the past bans I didnt think i deserved them and i wanted to say something about them but each time i said im going to be even more careful and even less aggressive and you can see that in each ban how my level of toxicity has gone down... am I right? I would like to talk to a person in a higer position or ill just email the founder or Riot its self if needed. This ban isn't right...

AE navE AE navE Aug 25, 1:58 PM PDT

So you're telling me that trying to help my team is toxic? How? and why is no one even considering the fact that this account has been hacked before and the hacker was toxic? I am a reformed player and do not deserve this ban... Ive seen many other toxic people become unbanned on youtube... i can list the URLS if you would like. But the difference between me and those people is im not toxic. Please help me out man I wont let you down

Skeletor Skeletor (Riot Games Player Support) Aug 25, 1:44 PM PDT

Hey there,

I know it's hard to lose an account and I will do my best to point out and explain what lead to this but know that after reviewing the content and the account history, I will not be reducing the suspension. That said, we have a zero tolerance policy for consistent negativity, as it is offensive, and as it ruins other player's experience.

Looking at your account's history it looks like you were warned about this behavior with a previous two-week suspension. Please understand that a two-week suspension puts and account on very thin ice, and all negative behavior will need to stop immediately or the account will be permanently suspended.

That said, I want to take a moment to talk about the chat that triggered this suspension as there seems to be a disconnect on what we are finding offensive.

32:24] AE navE (Draven): im confused [32:31] AE navE (Draven): there is open mid [32:35] AE navE (Draven): we have feed [32:37] AE navE (Draven): yi and draven [32:40] AE navE (Draven): hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [32:56] AE navE (Draven): y is no one hlp [32:57] AE navE (Draven): yi? [33:00] AE navE (Draven): YEA FR [33:02] AE navE (Draven): can we [33:04] AE navE (Draven): come MID

These chats show severe signs of continual negativity where you are berating your team. Understand that we treat this type of behavior strictly as it ruins the experience for others. While these single instances of negativity would not be enough to ban your account outright. You have been persistent in this type of behavior which we have warned you many times about.

Know that each player is held responsible for their own actions, so If players are flaming you or being offensive, it's never beneficial to respond to them with flame, whether it's in self-defense or if it's out of frustration. It's always best to mute toxic players and report them in the post game lobby, so you don't get disciplined as well.

Please understand that once an account is suspended permanently, that there is no way to regain access to the account or any of its content. Our stance is strict because we want players to take the reform process seriously.

I wish you luck moving forward on whatever game you decide to play from here.

Skeletor Riot Games Player Support

this was the emails i had back and forth with riot support feel free to have someone check the emails... i dare you. this isnt a scam to get unbanned.. riot actually perma banned me for this... please help

67 Comments

Chermorg3 votes

These chats show severe signs of continual negativity where you are berating your team. Understand that we treat this type of behavior strictly as it ruins the experience for others. While these single instances of negativity would not be enough to ban your account outright. You have been persistent in this type of behavior which we have warned you many times about.

You were warned to be on your best behavior. Yet you still were passive aggressive and negative in trying to help your team. Your chat wasn't "hey guys let's do this and win!" it was "wow lmao why r u guys not doing this lol dumb" (even if you didn't say that, that was the tone of your chat).

Bottom line is that you were continually negative after "many" warnings. And for that reason you no longer have access to this account.

AE navE1 votes

Untrue i was making strategic call outs to help my team advance further

Chermorg3 votes

"why the fuck aren't yall at baron they're at baron fucking steal it"

that's a strategic call out but it's still negative.

Your "call outs" were done in a negative, passive aggressive, and bossy way.

AE navE1 votes

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"why the fuck aren't yall at baron they're at baron fucking steal it"

that's a strategic call out but it's still negative.

Your "call outs" were done in a negative, passive aggressive, and bossy way.

And when did i say this?

Chermorg3 votes

I gave an example.

Your call outs such as the following are not positive.

[10:54] AE navE (Draven): jhin [10:55] AE navE (Draven): ur bad [11:03] AE navE (Draven): jk [11:05] AE navE (Draven): lopl [11:38] AE navE (Draven): leo [11:39] AE navE (Draven): u have [11:41] AE navE (Draven): relic [11:43] AE navE (Draven): sheild [11:44] AE navE (Draven): use it

[14:12] AE navE (Draven): listen [14:15] AE navE (Draven): okay:) [14:20] AE navE (Draven): we had no vision [14:24] AE navE (Draven): and u still went in [14:28] AE navE (Draven): ;) u good tho

[using smileys does not make it less passive aggressive]

[23:55] AE navE (Draven): ur toxic [23:57] AE navE (Draven): btw [24:06] AE navE (Draven): said im getting carried in all chat [24:08] AE navE (Draven): y? [26:42] AE navE (Draven): mf low [27:31] AE navE (Draven): wehn ur tanks leave jhin [27:33] AE navE (Draven): to 1v2

[30:46] AE navE (Draven): CHO [30:49] AE navE (Draven): THATS AN END [30:51] AE navE (Draven): IF U CAME [31:01] AE navE (Draven): what is bronze man [31:17] AE navE (Draven): do u people want to get out [31:18] AE navE (Draven): ? [31:22] AE navE (Draven): orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [32:11] AE navE (Draven): why are [32:12] AE navE (Draven): they [32:14] AE navE (Draven): bot [32:15] AE navE (Draven): lane [32:15] AE navE (Draven): ?

[35:56] AE navE (Draven): u guys wanted to goof around [35:59] AE navE (Draven): dude [36:02] AE navE (Draven): shhh jhin [36:09] AE navE (Draven): everyone wants that [36:28] AE navE (Draven): yi [36:30] AE navE (Draven): stop divingh [36:37] AE navE (Draven): let tank start fight [38:05] AE navE (Draven): its over

[38:27] AE navE (Draven): none of u wanted to listen to me [38:27] AE navE (Draven): so [38:29] AE navE (Draven): no [38:36] AE navE (Draven): see u like it jhin? [38:42] AE navE (Draven): nah [38:43] AE navE (Draven): ill chase

40:08] AE navE (Draven): U GET THAT DRAG [40:19] AE navE (Draven): or not [40:26] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:34] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:35] AE navE (Draven): plz [40:37] AE navE (Draven): im done [40:40] AE navE (Draven): 40 min [40:41] AE navE (Draven): yawn [40:49] AE navE (Draven): fr [41:13] AE navE (Draven): let em

Literally all of the above is either passive aggressive or negative towards your team for not treating you as the boss. It's 70-80% of your chat logs.

Primaquarius2 votes

#Exposed

THE HUNTERS3 votes

if this is considered toxic none of the players should even talk if saying someting thats not toxic gets you banned then whats left to chat for just mute chat everyone riot thats what this game has become.

EvilDustMan2 votes

How many punishments have you had?

AE navE1 votes

not many but does that even matter in this case i was helping my team non the less

RiotRiot Tantram19 votes

not many

A lot.

but does that even matter in this case i was helping my team non the less

It does matter. Because you've had so many penalties that the next penalty of any type will result in a perma-ban.

You should post your chat logs if you want people to weigh in. I don't see them posted yet. You've also had 8 penalties on this account which is a huge number.

Perinity1 votes

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Chermorg7 votes

You know you're literally talking to someone with the power to ban you from the game, right?

Perinity1 votes

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Xidphel9 votes

You can help make this community less cancer. Leaving it for example would reduce its cancer factor immensely.

AE navE1 votes

me?

Decrit2 votes

guess talking to the perinity dude up here

AE navE1 votes

{quoted}

guess talking to the perinity dude up here

?

zPOOPz2 votes

Okay

Angrychickén4 votes

What did he say?

I need my entertainment while eating popcorn.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Chermorg3 votes

Let's just say something worth an instant 14 day ban in game.

Angrychickén1 votes

Oh dear.

Baby sitting ADC1 votes

Dw my first actual ban was a 14 day ban for no reason.

RiotRiot Tantram14 votes

Not really.

AE navE1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gpG4V3Ol,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-08T19:45:22.620+0000)

Not really.

can we get someone with a education in this field please or id like too see your proof of education in this field... just so i know im taking to someone who can do something about this and not just blow me off and say eh he will get over it

RiotRiot Tantram21 votes

can we get someone with a education in this field please

I wrote the system, so I guess you could say I wrote the book on this subject.

I really don't know what you are looking for.

1.) You tried to say the account was hacked and it wasn't you. Then they looked into it and determined that yes, it was you. I double checked, it was you. 2.) Then, when the 'my account was hacked' didn't work, you went to the 'i was helping' strategy.

Here are you full chat logs:

[1:20] AE navE (Draven): sh [1:23] AE navE (Draven): im mastery 7 [1:26] AE navE (Draven): no [1:29] AE navE (Draven): hes got leo [1:32] AE navE (Draven): :) [1:44] AE navE (Draven): i need stacksd [1:46] AE navE (Draven): sorry [7:39] AE navE (Draven): ? [7:47] AE navE (Draven): sigh [8:09] AE navE (Draven): can we just chill? [8:11] AE navE (Draven): plz [8:18] AE navE (Draven): like leo stay with me [8:57] AE navE (Draven): not if they are coming at me [9:46] [All] AE navE (Draven): good try] [10:54] AE navE (Draven): jhin [10:55] AE navE (Draven): ur bad [11:03] AE navE (Draven): jk [11:05] AE navE (Draven): lopl [11:38] AE navE (Draven): leo [11:39] AE navE (Draven): u have [11:41] AE navE (Draven): relic [11:43] AE navE (Draven): sheild [11:44] AE navE (Draven): use it [11:57] AE navE (Draven): ik [12:49] [All] AE navE (Draven): ez [12:52] [All] AE navE (Draven): gtfo [12:57] [All] AE navE (Draven): jk [13:12] [All] AE navE (Draven): tought match up [13:16] [All] AE navE (Draven): u guys are fun [13:32] AE navE (Draven): wp guys [13:33] AE navE (Draven): wp [14:08] AE navE (Draven): leo [14:10] AE navE (Draven): plz [14:12] AE navE (Draven): listen [14:15] AE navE (Draven): okay:) [14:20] AE navE (Draven): we had no vision [14:24] AE navE (Draven): and u still went in [14:28] AE navE (Draven): ;) u good tho [14:35] [All] AE navE (Draven): GJ [14:39] AE navE (Draven): gjjjjjjj [14:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): sorry didnt mean [14:51] [All] AE navE (Draven): to say in all chay [17:33] AE navE (Draven): cho u doing good [17:38] AE navE (Draven): just get big [18:26] AE navE (Draven): watds [20:25] [All] AE navE (Draven): Lol [20:39] [All] AE navE (Draven): wheres the clown music? [20:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): cuz its a festia [20:55] [All] AE navE (Draven): sorry [21:02] [All] AE navE (Draven): tru [21:09] [All] AE navE (Draven): im not ebing toxic [21:13] [All] AE navE (Draven): or mean tfoer [21:15] [All] AE navE (Draven): doe [21:17] [All] AE navE (Draven): so [21:21] [All] AE navE (Draven): how [21:28] [All] AE navE (Draven): i said im bad [21:39] [All] AE navE (Draven): I CALLED ME BAD [21:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): i died to tower [22:56] [All] AE navE (Draven): wp
[23:41] AE navE (Draven): damn [23:44] AE navE (Draven): didnt save [23:46] AE navE (Draven): mb [23:53] AE navE (Draven): yi [23:55] AE navE (Draven): ur toxic [23:57] AE navE (Draven): btw [24:06] AE navE (Draven): said im getting carried in all chat [24:08] AE navE (Draven): y? [26:42] AE navE (Draven): mf low [27:31] AE navE (Draven): wehn ur tanks leave jhin [27:33] AE navE (Draven): to 1v2 [28:32] AE navE (Draven): we need to end [28:38] AE navE (Draven): all mid [30:15] AE navE (Draven): end now [30:46] AE navE (Draven): CHO [30:49] AE navE (Draven): THATS AN END [30:51] AE navE (Draven): IF U CAME [31:01] AE navE (Draven): what is bronze man [31:17] AE navE (Draven): do u people want to get out [31:18] AE navE (Draven): ? [31:22] AE navE (Draven): orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [32:11] AE navE (Draven): why are [32:12] AE navE (Draven): they [32:14] AE navE (Draven): bot [32:15] AE navE (Draven): lane [32:15] AE navE (Draven): ? [32:24] AE navE (Draven): im confused [32:31] AE navE (Draven): there is open mid [32:35] AE navE (Draven): we have feed [32:37] AE navE (Draven): yi and draven [32:40] AE navE (Draven): hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [32:56] AE navE (Draven): y is no one hlp [32:57] AE navE (Draven): yi? [33:00] AE navE (Draven): YEA FR [33:02] AE navE (Draven): can we [33:04] AE navE (Draven): come MID [33:20] AE navE (Draven): sit here [33:26] AE navE (Draven): yi [33:28] AE navE (Draven): wait [33:28] AE navE (Draven): for [33:29] AE navE (Draven): yi [33:49] AE navE (Draven): bot [33:50] AE navE (Draven): all [34:02] AE navE (Draven): mid fight [34:02] AE navE (Draven): niw [34:48] AE navE (Draven): y [34:49] AE navE (Draven): are [34:50] AE navE (Draven): u top [35:45] AE navE (Draven): we lose [35:56] AE navE (Draven): u guys wanted to goof around [35:59] AE navE (Draven): dude [36:02] AE navE (Draven): shhh jhin [36:09] AE navE (Draven): everyone wants that [36:28] AE navE (Draven): yi [36:30] AE navE (Draven): stop divingh [36:37] AE navE (Draven): let tank start fight [38:05] AE navE (Draven): its over [38:08] AE navE (Draven): its okay guys [38:17] AE navE (Draven): ummm [38:27] AE navE (Draven): none of u wanted to listen to me [38:27] AE navE (Draven): so [38:29] AE navE (Draven): no [38:36] AE navE (Draven): see u like it jhin? [38:42] AE navE (Draven): nah [38:43] AE navE (Draven): ill chase [38:45] AE navE (Draven): ? [38:48] AE navE (Draven): do u [38:56] AE navE (Draven): sigh [39:26] AE navE (Draven): EMD [39:50] AE navE (Draven): omg [39:54] AE navE (Draven): this is why its gg [39:59] AE navE (Draven): cuz they like drag [40:04] AE navE (Draven): yea guys [40:08] AE navE (Draven): U GET THAT DRAG [40:19] AE navE (Draven): or not [40:26] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:34] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:35] AE navE (Draven): plz [40:37] AE navE (Draven): im done [40:40] AE navE (Draven): 40 min [40:41] AE navE (Draven): yawn [40:49] AE navE (Draven): fr [41:13] AE navE (Draven): let em

Then, your history also needs to be taken into account. You have had EIGHT penalties. Only a small minority of players in Leeg ever get ANY penalty, let alone 8. It's a huge number. You got off a 14-day ban ONE day before the perma ban. You were warned that you were on a short leash, and to avoid harassing other players or it would result in a perma ban. So, if this chat would be worthy a a chat restriction, you get a permanent ban.

[40:26] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:34] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:35] AE navE (Draven): plz [40:37] AE navE (Draven): im done [40:40] AE navE (Draven): 40 min [40:41] AE navE (Draven): yawn

Not strategic. Not 'trying to help'. All you did the entire game was argue with people. No, I'm not just looking at the snipped I posted above. You wrote in to player support, they looked at the case and concluded it's not going to be overturned. I've weighed in on this, and it's not going to be overturned.

coback15 votes

I wrote the system, so I guess you could say I wrote the book on this subject.

OH SHIT Riot Tantrum is over this conversation.

AE navE1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gpG4V3Ol,comment-id=000000000000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-08T21:40:55.043+0000)

I wrote the system, so I guess you could say I wrote the book on this subject.

I really don't know what you are looking for.

1.) You tried to say the account was hacked and it wasn't you. Then they looked into it and determined that yes, it was you. I double checked, it was you. 2.) Then, when the 'my account was hacked' didn't work, you went to the 'i was helping' strategy.

Here are you full chat logs:

[1:20] AE navE (Draven): sh [1:23] AE navE (Draven): im mastery 7 [1:26] AE navE (Draven): no [1:29] AE navE (Draven): hes got leo [1:32] AE navE (Draven): :) [1:44] AE navE (Draven): i need stacksd [1:46] AE navE (Draven): sorry [7:39] AE navE (Draven): ? [7:47] AE navE (Draven): sigh [8:09] AE navE (Draven): can we just chill? [8:11] AE navE (Draven): plz [8:18] AE navE (Draven): like leo stay with me [8:57] AE navE (Draven): not if they are coming at me [9:46] [All] AE navE (Draven): good try] [10:54] AE navE (Draven): jhin [10:55] AE navE (Draven): ur bad [11:03] AE navE (Draven): jk [11:05] AE navE (Draven): lopl [11:38] AE navE (Draven): leo [11:39] AE navE (Draven): u have [11:41] AE navE (Draven): relic [11:43] AE navE (Draven): sheild [11:44] AE navE (Draven): use it [11:57] AE navE (Draven): ik [12:49] [All] AE navE (Draven): ez [12:52] [All] AE navE (Draven): gtfo [12:57] [All] AE navE (Draven): jk [13:12] [All] AE navE (Draven): tought match up [13:16] [All] AE navE (Draven): u guys are fun [13:32] AE navE (Draven): wp guys [13:33] AE navE (Draven): wp [14:08] AE navE (Draven): leo [14:10] AE navE (Draven): plz [14:12] AE navE (Draven): listen [14:15] AE navE (Draven): okay:) [14:20] AE navE (Draven): we had no vision [14:24] AE navE (Draven): and u still went in [14:28] AE navE (Draven): ;) u good tho [14:35] [All] AE navE (Draven): GJ [14:39] AE navE (Draven): gjjjjjjj [14:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): sorry didnt mean [14:51] [All] AE navE (Draven): to say in all chay [17:33] AE navE (Draven): cho u doing good [17:38] AE navE (Draven): just get big [18:26] AE navE (Draven): watds [20:25] [All] AE navE (Draven): Lol [20:39] [All] AE navE (Draven): wheres the clown music? [20:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): cuz its a festia [20:55] [All] AE navE (Draven): sorry [21:02] [All] AE navE (Draven): tru [21:09] [All] AE navE (Draven): im not ebing toxic [21:13] [All] AE navE (Draven): or mean tfoer [21:15] [All] AE navE (Draven): doe [21:17] [All] AE navE (Draven): so [21:21] [All] AE navE (Draven): how [21:28] [All] AE navE (Draven): i said im bad [21:39] [All] AE navE (Draven): I CALLED ME BAD [21:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): i died to tower [22:56] [All] AE navE (Draven): wp
[23:41] AE navE (Draven): damn [23:44] AE navE (Draven): didnt save [23:46] AE navE (Draven): mb [23:53] AE navE (Draven): yi [23:55] AE navE (Draven): ur toxic [23:57] AE navE (Draven): btw [24:06] AE navE (Draven): said im getting carried in all chat [24:08] AE navE (Draven): y? [26:42] AE navE (Draven): mf low [27:31] AE navE (Draven): wehn ur tanks leave jhin [27:33] AE navE (Draven): to 1v2 [28:32] AE navE (Draven): we need to end [28:38] AE navE (Draven): all mid [30:15] AE navE (Draven): end now [30:46] AE navE (Draven): CHO [30:49] AE navE (Draven): THATS AN END [30:51] AE navE (Draven): IF U CAME [31:01] AE navE (Draven): what is bronze man [31:17] AE navE (Draven): do u people want to get out [31:18] AE navE (Draven): ? [31:22] AE navE (Draven): orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [32:11] AE navE (Draven): why are [32:12] AE navE (Draven): they [32:14] AE navE (Draven): bot [32:15] AE navE (Draven): lane [32:15] AE navE (Draven): ? [32:24] AE navE (Draven): im confused [32:31] AE navE (Draven): there is open mid [32:35] AE navE (Draven): we have feed [32:37] AE navE (Draven): yi and draven [32:40] AE navE (Draven): hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [32:56] AE navE (Draven): y is no one hlp [32:57] AE navE (Draven): yi? [33:00] AE navE (Draven): YEA FR [33:02] AE navE (Draven): can we [33:04] AE navE (Draven): come MID [33:20] AE navE (Draven): sit here [33:26] AE navE (Draven): yi [33:28] AE navE (Draven): wait [33:28] AE navE (Draven): for [33:29] AE navE (Draven): yi [33:49] AE navE (Draven): bot [33:50] AE navE (Draven): all [34:02] AE navE (Draven): mid fight [34:02] AE navE (Draven): niw [34:48] AE navE (Draven): y [34:49] AE navE (Draven): are [34:50] AE navE (Draven): u top [35:45] AE navE (Draven): we lose [35:56] AE navE (Draven): u guys wanted to goof around [35:59] AE navE (Draven): dude [36:02] AE navE (Draven): shhh jhin [36:09] AE navE (Draven): everyone wants that [36:28] AE navE (Draven): yi [36:30] AE navE (Draven): stop divingh [36:37] AE navE (Draven): let tank start fight [38:05] AE navE (Draven): its over [38:08] AE navE (Draven): its okay guys [38:17] AE navE (Draven): ummm [38:27] AE navE (Draven): none of u wanted to listen to me [38:27] AE navE (Draven): so [38:29] AE navE (Draven): no [38:36] AE navE (Draven): see u like it jhin? [38:42] AE navE (Draven): nah [38:43] AE navE (Draven): ill chase [38:45] AE navE (Draven): ? [38:48] AE navE (Draven): do u [38:56] AE navE (Draven): sigh [39:26] AE navE (Draven): EMD [39:50] AE navE (Draven): omg [39:54] AE navE (Draven): this is why its gg [39:59] AE navE (Draven): cuz they like drag [40:04] AE navE (Draven): yea guys [40:08] AE navE (Draven): U GET THAT DRAG [40:19] AE navE (Draven): or not [40:26] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:34] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:35] AE navE (Draven): plz [40:37] AE navE (Draven): im done [40:40] AE navE (Draven): 40 min [40:41] AE navE (Draven): yawn [40:49] AE navE (Draven): fr [41:13] AE navE (Draven): let em

Then, your history also needs to be taken into account. You have had EIGHT penalties. Only a small minority of players in Leeg ever get ANY penalty, let alone 8. It's a huge number. You got off a 14-day ban ONE day before the perma ban. You were warned that you were on a short leash, and to avoid harassing other players or it would result in a perma ban. So, if this chat would be worthy a a chat restriction, you get a permanent ban. [40:34] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:35] AE navE (Draven): plz [40:37] AE navE (Draven): im done [40:40] AE navE (Draven): 40 min [40:41] AE navE (Draven): yawn

Not strategic. Not 'trying to help'. All you did the entire game was argue with people. No, I'm not just looking at the snipped I posted above. You wrote in to player support, they looked at the case and concluded it's not going to be overturned. I've weighed in on this, and it's not going to be overturned.

This is why i asked for someone educated.... i asked skeletor SOMEONE WHOS HIGHER THAN YOU TO POINT OUT WHERE I WAS TOXIC here ill send you that email

AE navE AE navE Aug 24, 7:13 AM PDT

Also this account has been hacked before and the hacker tried to get my account banned by typing in chat and saying negative things and I was penalized. I have proof of this in past emails to recover my account.

On Aug 24, 2017, at 05:53 AM, Shelle Enix [email protected] wrote:

Even in this game you have gave me... I muted the wu and did nothing wrong to show that I'm toxic... Please point out where I am toxic.

and yes this account has been hacked before

Chermorg17 votes

Literally I did below.

Your attitude is piss poor. Not just in League, in the forums too. The way you respond to people here is indicative of your attitude in game. You have an exceedingly negative attitude. You act like you're the boss. You act like your teammates must listen to you. You try and force them to by spamming (hint: enter key is not space key). Etc. Etc.

PaeanAsklepios6 votes

[{quoted}](name=AE navE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gpG4V3Ol,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-08T21:50:15.750+0000)

This is why i asked for someone educated.... i asked skeletor SOMEONE WHOS HIGHER THAN YOU TO POINT OUT WHERE I WAS TOXIC here ill send you that email

AE navE AE navE Aug 24, 7:13 AM PDT

Also this account has been hacked before and the hacker tried to get my account banned by typing in chat and saying negative things and I was penalized. I have proof of this in past emails to recover my account.

On Aug 24, 2017, at 05:53 AM, Shelle Enix <[email protected]> wrote:

Even in this game you have gave me... I muted the wu and did nothing wrong to show that I'm toxic... Please point out where I am toxic.

and yes this account has been hacked before

This message right here--this message shows clear as day that you're toxic.

Xidphel4 votes

We have a Tantram.

MaroModo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gpG4V3Ol,comment-id=000000000000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-08T21:40:55.043+0000)

I wrote the system, so I guess you could say I wrote the book on this subject.

I really don't know what you are looking for.

1.) You tried to say the account was hacked and it wasn't you. Then they looked into it and determined that yes, it was you. I double checked, it was you. 2.) Then, when the 'my account was hacked' didn't work, you went to the 'i was helping' strategy.

Here are you full chat logs:

[1:20] AE navE (Draven): sh [1:23] AE navE (Draven): im mastery 7 [1:26] AE navE (Draven): no [1:29] AE navE (Draven): hes got leo [1:32] AE navE (Draven): :) [1:44] AE navE (Draven): i need stacksd [1:46] AE navE (Draven): sorry [7:39] AE navE (Draven): ? [7:47] AE navE (Draven): sigh [8:09] AE navE (Draven): can we just chill? [8:11] AE navE (Draven): plz [8:18] AE navE (Draven): like leo stay with me [8:57] AE navE (Draven): not if they are coming at me [9:46] [All] AE navE (Draven): good try] [10:54] AE navE (Draven): jhin [10:55] AE navE (Draven): ur bad [11:03] AE navE (Draven): jk [11:05] AE navE (Draven): lopl [11:38] AE navE (Draven): leo [11:39] AE navE (Draven): u have [11:41] AE navE (Draven): relic [11:43] AE navE (Draven): sheild [11:44] AE navE (Draven): use it [11:57] AE navE (Draven): ik [12:49] [All] AE navE (Draven): ez [12:52] [All] AE navE (Draven): gtfo [12:57] [All] AE navE (Draven): jk [13:12] [All] AE navE (Draven): tought match up [13:16] [All] AE navE (Draven): u guys are fun [13:32] AE navE (Draven): wp guys [13:33] AE navE (Draven): wp [14:08] AE navE (Draven): leo [14:10] AE navE (Draven): plz [14:12] AE navE (Draven): listen [14:15] AE navE (Draven): okay:) [14:20] AE navE (Draven): we had no vision [14:24] AE navE (Draven): and u still went in [14:28] AE navE (Draven): ;) u good tho [14:35] [All] AE navE (Draven): GJ [14:39] AE navE (Draven): gjjjjjjj [14:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): sorry didnt mean [14:51] [All] AE navE (Draven): to say in all chay [17:33] AE navE (Draven): cho u doing good [17:38] AE navE (Draven): just get big [18:26] AE navE (Draven): watds [20:25] [All] AE navE (Draven): Lol [20:39] [All] AE navE (Draven): wheres the clown music? [20:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): cuz its a festia [20:55] [All] AE navE (Draven): sorry [21:02] [All] AE navE (Draven): tru [21:09] [All] AE navE (Draven): im not ebing toxic [21:13] [All] AE navE (Draven): or mean tfoer [21:15] [All] AE navE (Draven): doe [21:17] [All] AE navE (Draven): so [21:21] [All] AE navE (Draven): how [21:28] [All] AE navE (Draven): i said im bad [21:39] [All] AE navE (Draven): I CALLED ME BAD [21:47] [All] AE navE (Draven): i died to tower [22:56] [All] AE navE (Draven): wp
[23:41] AE navE (Draven): damn [23:44] AE navE (Draven): didnt save [23:46] AE navE (Draven): mb [23:53] AE navE (Draven): yi [23:55] AE navE (Draven): ur toxic [23:57] AE navE (Draven): btw [24:06] AE navE (Draven): said im getting carried in all chat [24:08] AE navE (Draven): y? [26:42] AE navE (Draven): mf low [27:31] AE navE (Draven): wehn ur tanks leave jhin [27:33] AE navE (Draven): to 1v2 [28:32] AE navE (Draven): we need to end [28:38] AE navE (Draven): all mid [30:15] AE navE (Draven): end now [30:46] AE navE (Draven): CHO [30:49] AE navE (Draven): THATS AN END [30:51] AE navE (Draven): IF U CAME [31:01] AE navE (Draven): what is bronze man [31:17] AE navE (Draven): do u people want to get out [31:18] AE navE (Draven): ? [31:22] AE navE (Draven): orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [32:11] AE navE (Draven): why are [32:12] AE navE (Draven): they [32:14] AE navE (Draven): bot [32:15] AE navE (Draven): lane [32:15] AE navE (Draven): ? [32:24] AE navE (Draven): im confused [32:31] AE navE (Draven): there is open mid [32:35] AE navE (Draven): we have feed [32:37] AE navE (Draven): yi and draven [32:40] AE navE (Draven): hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [32:56] AE navE (Draven): y is no one hlp [32:57] AE navE (Draven): yi? [33:00] AE navE (Draven): YEA FR [33:02] AE navE (Draven): can we [33:04] AE navE (Draven): come MID [33:20] AE navE (Draven): sit here [33:26] AE navE (Draven): yi [33:28] AE navE (Draven): wait [33:28] AE navE (Draven): for [33:29] AE navE (Draven): yi [33:49] AE navE (Draven): bot [33:50] AE navE (Draven): all [34:02] AE navE (Draven): mid fight [34:02] AE navE (Draven): niw [34:48] AE navE (Draven): y [34:49] AE navE (Draven): are [34:50] AE navE (Draven): u top [35:45] AE navE (Draven): we lose [35:56] AE navE (Draven): u guys wanted to goof around [35:59] AE navE (Draven): dude [36:02] AE navE (Draven): shhh jhin [36:09] AE navE (Draven): everyone wants that [36:28] AE navE (Draven): yi [36:30] AE navE (Draven): stop divingh [36:37] AE navE (Draven): let tank start fight [38:05] AE navE (Draven): its over [38:08] AE navE (Draven): its okay guys [38:17] AE navE (Draven): ummm [38:27] AE navE (Draven): none of u wanted to listen to me [38:27] AE navE (Draven): so [38:29] AE navE (Draven): no [38:36] AE navE (Draven): see u like it jhin? [38:42] AE navE (Draven): nah [38:43] AE navE (Draven): ill chase [38:45] AE navE (Draven): ? [38:48] AE navE (Draven): do u [38:56] AE navE (Draven): sigh [39:26] AE navE (Draven): EMD [39:50] AE navE (Draven): omg [39:54] AE navE (Draven): this is why its gg [39:59] AE navE (Draven): cuz they like drag [40:04] AE navE (Draven): yea guys [40:08] AE navE (Draven): U GET THAT DRAG [40:19] AE navE (Draven): or not [40:26] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:34] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:35] AE navE (Draven): plz [40:37] AE navE (Draven): im done [40:40] AE navE (Draven): 40 min [40:41] AE navE (Draven): yawn [40:49] AE navE (Draven): fr [41:13] AE navE (Draven): let em

Then, your history also needs to be taken into account. You have had EIGHT penalties. Only a small minority of players in Leeg ever get ANY penalty, let alone 8. It's a huge number. You got off a 14-day ban ONE day before the perma ban. You were warned that you were on a short leash, and to avoid harassing other players or it would result in a perma ban. So, if this chat would be worthy a a chat restriction, you get a permanent ban. [40:34] AE navE (Draven): ff [40:35] AE navE (Draven): plz [40:37] AE navE (Draven): im done [40:40] AE navE (Draven): 40 min [40:41] AE navE (Draven): yawn

Not strategic. Not 'trying to help'. All you did the entire game was argue with people. No, I'm not just looking at the snipped I posted above. You wrote in to player support, they looked at the case and concluded it's not going to be overturned. I've weighed in on this, and it's not going to be overturned.

And Mic dropped. Damn tantrum lol

MaroModo4 votes

[{quoted}](name=AE navE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gpG4V3Ol,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2017-09-08T22:56:55.924+0000)

lol your not getting the point then why didnt skeletor send me thoes chats????????????

because the man who wrote the system (Tantrum) is the guy who is the educated man you are seeking and has ruled on the matter. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but insulting the man who wrote the system doesn't help your situation. I do however wish you the best on what you are trying to accomplish but it seems the odds of you getting your account back is about 0% since it seems this is hardly your first offense

AE navE1 votes

{quoted}

because the man who wrote the system (Tantrum) is the guy who is the educated man you are seeking and has ruled on the matter. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but insulting the man who wrote the system doesn't help your situation. I do however wish you the best on what you are trying to accomplish but it seems the odds of you getting your account back is about 0% since it seems this is hardly your first offense

I just want a straight forward answer on why i was banned and they chats within the games that got me banned and i got thoes from skeletor but the chats he sent me were nontoxic... i all want is a explanation with the exact chats that made the acc receive the ban

AE navE1 votes

{quoted}

And Mic dropped. Damn tantrum lol

I just want a straight forward answer on why i was banned and they chats within the games that got me banned and i got thoes from skeletor but the chats he sent me were nontoxic... i all want is a explanation with the exact chats that made the acc receive the ban. And sorry i was unaware that you wrote the system and didnt see it anywhere that i looked online. My apologies

MaroModo2 votes

[{quoted}](name=AE navE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gpG4V3Ol,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100000000000000000000000000020003,timestamp=2017-09-09T02:38:00.217+0000)

I just want a straight forward answer on why i was banned and they chats within the games that got me banned and i got thoes from skeletor but the chats he sent me were nontoxic... i all want is a explanation with the exact chats that made the acc receive the ban. And sorry i was unaware that you wrote the system and didnt see it anywhere that i looked online. My apologies

I didn't write it tantrum did and it was the first thing he said in his reply to you and you still called him uneducated. I understand your frustration but if your peers (the community) are pointing out your toxicity and as did riot (in his reply) I don't see what is being missed here man. Like I said earlier I'm sorry you got banned it sucks but it wasnt like it was a one and done it was an 8 and done.

Edit: also reading tantrums response you claimed hacked then I was just helping or supporting my team he also claimed he reviewed your logs it's not like they can't check the IP that you log into against your other logins and put 2 and 2 together.

Ars3lyn3 votes

i love the fact that im a piece of shit to my entire team, they claim to report me and im still here, breathing, and playing well

XD so riot, did you finally turn a blind eye for me?

TwinkiePro1 votes

I doubt it. Those reports will keep adding up though.

Huang Shaotian3 votes

It's true, I should have been perma banned 10 times over, never even seen a penalty, in fact I've had honor ribbons.

The only way to actually get banned in this game is to use racial slurs or to continually afk, and even that is sketchy with the amount of games I've afked.

I'm a piece of toxic shit and the fact I've gotten away with it for so long without being pulled up just shows me how much this system does not work.

Ars3lyn1 votes

true, which is im glad that im not ban, i mean if i was perma ban from chat i would most likely have better games, but since chat is active and i got 4 other players who can see, in my mind it like "welp it time to be an asshole" hence i encourage my summoner name

Baby sitting ADC1 votes

See my VERY first ban (no chat bans etc previously) was a 14 day ban for using apparently a homophobic slur in a nonhomophobic context after being called a BTCH and a CNT by the person I was carrying.

To me that's really unfair that I was banned for defending myself from someone else being a toxic noddle head for no reason.

AE navE1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Huang Shaotian,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gpG4V3Ol,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2017-09-08T09:11:28.375+0000)

It's true, I should have been perma banned 10 times over, never even seen a penalty, in fact I've had honor ribbons.

The only way to actually get banned in this game is to use racial slurs or to continually afk, and even that is sketchy with the amount of games I've afked.

I'm a piece of toxic shit and the fact I've gotten away with it for so long without being pulled up just shows me how much this system does not work.

get me unbanned plz..

AE navE1 votes

I asked Skeletor to SPECIFICALLY point out where i was toxic and he sent me those chats if you would like the full convo read the emails

korppi tuoni3 votes

I'm sorry, I read that chat and at no point do I see anything that was helping your team. Am I missing something?

Riot says it best-

These chats show severe signs of continual negativity where you are berating your team.

You are berating your team for not doing what you want them to do, which is, going mid. The whole Hmmmm line is totally unnecessary and every bit of that reads passive aggressive.

While this chat in and of itself is not ban worthy, they clearly tell you that there is a pattern of negativity on your account which is unacceptable. Furthermore, if there is a pattern of negativity, being hacked is no defense whatsoever. How long did the hacker have your account? To get to a permaban you have to go throught multiple chat bans before getting a 14 day ban and then a Permaban. You're going to tell me that a hacker had your account for well over a month and had the patience to wait through a 14 day ban before getting back on to make sure you get permabanned? That makes no sense.

AE navE1 votes

I am in no such way berating them, I am making call out like you do in any game that involves strategy... end of story

korppi tuoni2 votes

I mean, whatever you say, it's not like you're permabanned and I'm not.... oh wait, that's exactly what happened.

SavageConcordia1 votes

not many but does that even matter

Yes, it makes a huge difference.

in this case i was helping my team non the less

Were you trying to help by offering suggesting plays then berating your team for doing something else? Post your full logs. Somehow I doubt you are being fully transparent.

AE navE1 votes

Read my emails from Skeletor i was trying to win a game

SavageConcordia2 votes

I read your logs, you gave up.

12 9 141 votes
  1. It was like 4 AM when I wrote it, was just bored and scanned through whatever some of you said.
  2. Redundant to post twice, just makes me less likely to check/notice the second thing.
  3. Your first post made me rofl. [slayer-jinx-unamused] Anywho, toodles.

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