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Ribbon Reforming Challenge ( Reworked and upgraded level 20 challenge)

Austistik··1 votes·913 views

Hey guys, I thought of a way to give players that love the game but got permanently banned, a way to reform. I would suggest a system where someone with a permanent ban can create a new account to level 30, and try to get a ribbon, and keep it for a certain time, however long riot would think the behavioral expectations would be met with . Getting a Ribbon would most likely meet behavioral expectations as for players would need to try extra hard to be positive, a great teammate, humble in victory and gracious in defeat . I think players who actually love the game and don't want to quit, but have troubles keeping their fingers off the keyboard and just want to improve their behavior, and get rewarded with an un- permanent ban should have this option. This should not be a problem for riot, because they wan't to get rid of toxic players and this system would actually get rid of the old toxicity in a player and bring up the good in them, and also riot could get a little more income from them. Let's be honest for a moment, everyone gets bad toxic thoughts once in a while, and some players have trouble keeping away from their keyboard. The only flaw that I could think of is having players fake their way into getting a ribbon, or pay someone else to do it for them. And once their account gets unbanned they may be toxic once more, but I think this won't happen because anyone who actually goes the trouble of doing this would be someone who really thinks they improved themselves and/or values their account to some extent. Please make this an option, I would be forever grateful. Thanks for all your time taken to check this ticket and time reading this. Best of luck improving this game to any riot members reading. I'm open to any suggestions, improvements, and any other comments.

TL;DR: Make a system where players make an account and get a ribbon, keep it for a certain time so that they may get their main account unbanned.

Sincerely, Pinfox

              (PS: My brother got banned and he has made an account where I see he greatly improved his behavior, he gets honored frequently and has not gotten reported or punished once and it saddens me to see that the account he has worked on and spent on in the past few years is banned because of how before he had problems keeping off the keyboard, and he didn't express his anger outside of the game so it all went to his chat.)

BEFORE YOU COMMENT CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING: THIS IS NOT JUST FOR YOU, YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL, THIS SHOULD NOT BE VIEWED AS IF IT WAS FOR YOU, IT SHOULD BE VIEWED AS IF YOU WERE A RIOT MEMBER OR A BANNED PLAYER WHO HAS IMPROVED THEIR BEHAVIOR AND IS WILLING TO PUT EFFORT AND TO REFORM IN ORDER TO BE REWARDED. A RIOTERS VIEW: MORE PLAYERS UNBANNED AND INSPIRING BOTH GOOD BEHAVIOR AND BEING HONORABLE, POSSIBLY SOME CASH. A PLAYER WHO HAS BEEN BANNED BUT HAS IMPROVED VIEW: GET YOUR ACCOUNT BACK, INSPIRE OTHER PLAYERS TO BECOME HONORABLE THEREFOR REDUCING AMOUNT OF TOXIC PLAYERS ( FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAD PROBLEMS DEALING WITH OTHER PLAYERS WHO ARE TOXIC AND RESPONDING BACK IN A TOXIC MANNER THEREFOR GETTING BANNED) REFORM AND GET REWARDED FOR IT

31 Comments

Reaper Review2 votes

Getting a ribbon is exceedingly rare even for well-behaved players, though. I don't think I'd seen more than like... two of them in the last year that I'd played.

disregardable2 votes

It's rare because no one puts in the effort to be a sportsmanlike player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIAeisuevwc I'd suggest you check out this Honor Ribbon guide this Diamond Teemo main made.

Austistik1 votes

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It's rare because no one puts in the effort to be a sportsmanlike player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIAeisuevwc I'd suggest you check out this Honor Ribbon guide this Diamond Teemo main made.

What you say is true, and I have also watched Ristiummask's videos. If you watched his series where he gets a ribbon with teemo you see that the effort he has to put in is immense and that's exactly why this system works for players who are willing to become one of the best behaved and be rewarded with an unban. Win-Win for both riot and the player. ( Riot gets an extra honorable player playing their game, possibly some cash and players get a way to reform and be rewarded. )

Austistik1 votes

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Getting a ribbon is exceedingly rare even for well-behaved players, though. I don't think I'd seen more than like... two of them in the last year that I'd played.

Yes, I agree. That's why this system is here for those exceptional players willing to become one of the best behaved players, and get rewarded. It is a win-win situation for riot and players.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

At first I was feeling like this was a good idea, but really it's no better than the level 20 challenge, worse even. The level 20 challenge only required people to be neutral and they still couldn't succeed. This shares that exact same problem except that it holds an even higher standard. Some perma banned players will make new accounts and there isn't really any way to stop that, but I don't think they should ever be encouraged to do so. By the time someone gets permanently banned there just isn't much hope. Ya, some can and will still change after that point, but the overwhelming majority wont.

Austistik1 votes
  1. Yes perma banned players will make new accounts anyways so why not pose a challenge like this so they won't be toxic on their new account and at the same time get rewarded. 2 . This is for players that have actually improved their behavior and value their banned accounts, not for all the toxic perma banned players.
scazzman2 votes

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At first I was feeling like this was a good idea, but really it's no better than the level 20 challenge, worse even. The level 20 challenge only required people to be neutral and they still couldn't succeed. This shares that exact same problem except that it holds an even higher standard. Some perma banned players will make new accounts and there isn't really any way to stop that, but I don't think they should ever be encouraged to do so. By the time someone gets permanently banned there just isn't much hope. Ya, some can and will still change after that point, but the overwhelming majority wont.

keep in mind back in the day "refusing to communicate" was still reportable. and many of these permabanned players were afraid to just not type. because they were worried they would just get banned anyway

disregardable1 votes

No one was ever punished for refusing to communicate, confirmed by Lyte. That was just an excuse they used to rage.

scazzman1 votes

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No one was ever punished for refusing to communicate, confirmed by Lyte. That was just an excuse they used to rage.

but people didnt know that at the time the level 20 challenge was in place. im sure if people could just automute thier way to lvl 20 they could have

Austistik1 votes

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No one was ever punished for refusing to communicate, confirmed by Lyte. That was just an excuse they used to rage.

This is true, and most players do use it as an excuse, because if they were smart enough to realize they don't even require a keyboard to play and type in the game ( yes it is possible to play without a keyboard) and they could ping IF anything then they wouldn't be banned.

Reaper Review2 votes

I'm using myself as an example because I'm a player who was permanently banned and who has taken steps towards his own reform, the exact kind of player you're pitching this idea for.

I'm being realistic enough to tell you that Riot is very unlikely to do it is all.

Also, being an exceptional player doesn't mean anything if you simply don't receive honors. A friend of mine who's been playing this game for at least 3 years and doesn't have a mean bone in his body, and is quite enjoyable to play with any against, has never had a single ribbon ever.

Austistik1 votes

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I'm using myself as an example because I'm a player who was permanently banned and who has taken steps towards his own reform, the exact kind of player you're pitching this idea for.

I'm being realistic enough to tell you that Riot is very unlikely to do it is all.

Also, being an exceptional player doesn't mean anything if you simply don't receive honors. A friend of mine who's been playing this game for at least 3 years and doesn't have a mean bone in his body, and is quite enjoyable to play with any against, has never had a single ribbon ever.

You do receive honors, I think your friend is not in fact the best behaved or nicest guy to the extent needed to obtain a ribbon. Also, what makes you think riot won't do it when they would receive a lot in return any lose virtually nothing? I am pitching this idea for people who want to be rewarded with their account unbanned, and you certainly seem not to, so no, I am not pitching this idea towards you at all. Stop being ignorant and naive, if you cannot comprehend then leave this board.

Elphrihaim1 votes

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You do receive honors, I think your friend is not in fact the best behaved or nicest guy to the extent needed to obtain a ribbon.

Hello there, love!

Good to see somebody who has doubt in the human race.

And by good, I mean bad.

Off of that distrust-- Unfortunately; many players tend to not interact with the honor system (it takes precious time after-game to honor people, and there is no benefit to doing so). With reports, there is significant improvement-- a player may become less obnoxious.

This is a net benefit and requires little time, and can easily give a person a feeling of catharsis.

Thus, while the report system is widely used, I know many players who just don't bother giving honors because they see no point in doing so.

I also know the opposite-- people who leniently give out honors. I don't mean to say that this sort of player does not exist-- merely that the previous one is much more abundant.

Also, what makes you think riot won't do it when they would receive a lot in return any lose virtually nothing?

They lose any value from customers who get banned but then make a new account and purchase content. That's not insignificant, though perhaps I should ask the converse.

What do they gain from this venture? Reformed players seems to be the only gain, and those can already be acquired should players simply level an account without getting punishments.

I am pitching this idea for people who want to be rewarded with their account unbanned, and you certainly seem not to, so no, I am not pitching this idea towards you at all.

You say this, but have zero evidence of this idea you have.

Could you tell me where you got it from?

I would like to believe that all people seek to prove themselves should they have slipped or dug a hole. What makes you think otherwise of Reaper, here?

Stop being ignorant and naive, if you cannot comprehend then leave this board.

Could you kindly take your "my way or the highway" statements (exemplified in this line) and never type them ever again?

By removing them you are very likely to get intelligent discussion about the subject that you are interested in. You get more valid criticisms of anything you suggest. By having them, you breed hatred. You get the exact behavior the system you are talking about seeks to remove.

Additionally, the semi-ad hominems are really annoying to read too and may also be counterproductive.

Anyway, love, enjoy your day. Hope to see a response but of course there are so many reasons why you would choose to not respond that in attempting to be witty and list some of them I may end up offending you... but that doesn't stop me:

♣: The physical inability to do so e.g. getting admitted to the hospital ♥: The intellectual realization of lacking an argument (not that you lack one above) ♠: The idea that responding would be completely worthless ♦: Never having seen the message in order to respond to it in the first place

(this list was by zero means exhaustive, I only thought up four to go with the suits of the cards and these were the first four that came to mind)

Austistik1 votes

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Hello there, love!

Good to see somebody who has doubt in the human race.

And by good, I mean bad.

Off of that distrust-- Unfortunately; many players tend to not interact with the honor system (it takes precious time after-game to honor people, and there is no benefit to doing so). With reports, there is significant improvement-- a player may become less obnoxious.

This is a net benefit and requires little time, and can easily give a person a feeling of catharsis.

Thus, while the report system is widely used, I know many players who just don't bother giving honors because they see no point in doing so.

I also know the opposite-- people who leniently give out honors. I don't mean to say that this sort of player does not exist-- merely that the previous one is much more abundant.

They lose any value from customers who get banned but then make a new account and purchase content. That's not insignificant, though perhaps I should ask the converse.

What do they gain from this venture? Reformed players seems to be the only gain, and those can already be acquired should players simply level an account without getting punishments.

You say this, but have zero evidence of this idea you have.

Could you tell me where you got it from?

I would like to believe that all people seek to prove themselves should they have slipped or dug a hole. What makes you think otherwise of Reaper, here?

Could you kindly take your "my way or the highway" statements (exemplified in this line) and never type them ever again?

By removing them you are very likely to get intelligent discussion about the subject that you are interested in. You get more valid criticisms of anything you suggest. By having them, you breed hatred. You get the exact behavior the system you are talking about seeks to remove.

Additionally, the semi-ad hominems are really annoying to read too and may also be counterproductive.

Anyway, love, enjoy your day. Hope to see a response but of course there are so many reasons why you would choose to not respond that in attempting to be witty and list some of them I may end up offending you... but that doesn't stop me:

♣: The physical inability to do so e.g. getting admitted to the hospital ♥: The intellectual realization of lacking an argument (not that you lack one above) ♠: The idea that responding would be completely worthless ♦: Never having seen the message in order to respond to it in the first place

(this list was by zero means exhaustive, I only thought up four to go with the suits of the cards and these were the first four that came to mind)

You make some good points, I can agree on some and disagree on others, thanks for the feedback.

Reaper Review2 votes

You think I'm "not interested in a second chance" just because I'm telling you how unlikely this idea is to happen? I don't know why you're being so hostile in the process of citing a reform plan for honorable players. That seems a bit counter-productive from my end.

Would I like if Riot implemented a plan like this? Of course I would, I'd be lying if I said otherwise. I'd rather not get my hopes up too much, though, is all.

To add to that, I have very much been showing my intent to reform. I don't mean to keep making this "about me", but you've put me in a position to prove my own point.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/L76T1Taa-from-a-banned-player-thinking-about-your-actions http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/yoriUqxk-my-thoughts-on-reformation

Both are my threads about how and why players should reform and not get themselves banned, or dwell on said bans. Instead of just griping that I lost my account, I'm working to try and keep other people from losing theirs.

That said, I'd appreciate if you wouldn't assume that I don't want any second chances. Thanks.

Austistik1 votes

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You think I'm "not interested in a second chance" just because I'm telling you how unlikely this idea is to happen? I don't know why you're being so hostile in the process of citing a reform plan for honorable players. That seems a bit counter-productive from my end.

Would I like if Riot implemented a plan like this? Of course I would, I'd be lying if I said otherwise. I'd rather not get my hopes up too much, though, is all.

To add to that, I have very much been showing my intent to reform. I don't mean to keep making this "about me", but you've put me in a position to prove my own point.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/L76T1Taa-from-a-banned-player-thinking-about-your-actions http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/yoriUqxk-my-thoughts-on-reformation

Both are my threads about how and why players should reform and not get themselves banned, or dwell on said bans. Instead of just griping that I lost my account, I'm working to try and keep other people from losing theirs.

That said, I'd appreciate if you wouldn't assume that I don't want any second chances. Thanks.

  1. "I don't know why you're being so hostile in the process of citing a reform plan for honorable players. That seems a bit counter-productive from my end." I'm not here to waste my time, either read the whole thing, understand it, or just go spend time in some forum where some banned player complains. Not here.

  2. You still don't answer this: "what makes you think riot won't do it when they would receive a lot in return and lose virtually nothing?"

  3. People who deserve it and are willing to go over the standards can be rewarded this way, if you don't deserve it or are not willing to do it then you won't get it, simple as that.

Reaper Review2 votes

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  1. You still don't answer this: "what makes you think riot won't do it when they would receive a lot in return and lose virtually nothing?"

Riot would potentially receive LESS if they implemented something like this.

The way it is now, a perma-banned player can make a new account, and if they want to get it up to speed, they'll spend cash. If you give them a way to earn their account back, they'll likely spend no money during the challenge, and if they complete it they'll have their account back with no gain on Riot's end.

Yes, they might be inclined to spend money again once they get their account back, but that's frankly a drop in the bucket considering Riot's profits.

Austistik1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Reaper Review,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gAacprQi,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-03-25T23:28:53.661+0000)

Riot would potentially receive LESS if they implemented something like this.

The way it is now, a perma-banned player can make a new account, and if they want to get it up to speed, they'll spend cash. If you give them a way to earn their account back, they'll likely spend no money during the challenge, and if they complete it they'll have their account back with no gain on Riot's end.

Yes, they might be inclined to spend money again once they get their account back, but that's frankly a drop in the bucket considering Riot's profits.

Consider this: On a scale of 100 people, 1 of them got perma banned, so averaged they lose 1% of their profit. Say 10 players got banned, averaged out they would lose 10% . if they used to get $ 1,000,000,000, they would then get $900000000 which is a big difference ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT TO SCALE, but it is there to give you an idea. The fact is most people who get perma banned either quit the game or make a smurf not spending any on it because they think riot is scamming them or whatnot, and honestly now that exp needed to get level 30 is halved, nobody at all is spending money out of all the people that actually even spent any.

Reaper Review1 votes

How do you tell if someone who was banned has improved at all before issuing the challenge, though?

I mean, I've come back to this board a month after my own ban to try and help people prevent or cope with their bans, but are my words alone worth enough?

Austistik1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Reaper Review,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gAacprQi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-03-25T20:29:19.637+0000)

How do you tell if someone who was banned has improved at all before issuing the challenge, though?

I mean, I've come back to this board a month after my own ban to try and help people prevent or cope with their bans, but are my words alone worth enough?

  1. If the players does not get reported/ punished/banned, or the player gets honored.

  2. Yes I think people were and can be ignorant and think that they won't be banned, sometimes words won't save them until after they get banned they realize it was all true and they should've listened, and then players can improve or want a way to reform even though it is a PERMANENT ban. Definition of permanent: "lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely. " This system will help a lot of people who have improved and want their account they used and spent money on for the while they played.

Astôlfo1 votes

No. If they get perma'd, that means they used up all their chances. They do not deserve any more.

Austistik1 votes

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No. If they get perma'd, that means they used up all their chances. They do not deserve any more.

Nobody said they deserved it, but it's possible that they can deserve it. Your opinion is one of many, but this should be viewed as if you were the player who was banned or a riot member. Riot gets an honorable player and they may get some cash and players can be rewarded for deserving it.

Astôlfo1 votes

No, they cannot deserve it. The very fact they got a permabanned means they have lost any "deserving" of more. And I have no reason to view it as the permabanned player, since I don't do things to warrant any sort of punishment in game in the first place. If I was a Rioter, I'd simply tell them the same copy-paste response because it would be a waste of time to deal with people like you.

Austistik2 votes

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No, they cannot deserve it. The very fact they got a permabanned means they have lost any "deserving" of more. And I have no reason to view it as the permabanned player, since I don't do things to warrant any sort of punishment in game in the first place. If I was a Rioter, I'd simply tell them the same copy-paste response because it would be a waste of time to deal with people like you.

I can tell you are either a toxic player or a very young, too ignorant , and naive person. First of all I am not permabanned, read the whole darn thing. Second of all, don't pretend you know how a banned player would think or how a riot member would think. Please don't come to this board as it would be a waste of time considering how you are.

Astôlfo1 votes

First of all, I never said you got permabanned, did I? How about you learn to read basic English?

Second of all, it's fairly easy to tell how others generally think given the large number of the former (banned players) and the way they behave in their posts, and then Rioters that reply to said people and their posts.

I come to this section of Boards so I can laugh my ass off at people who keep breaking the rules and complaining. I find it entertaining.

Elphrihaim2 votes

Nep2une, how about you as well stop with the ad hominems? It's not going to help your argument at all and is actually part of the behavior you claim is something you don't do by proxy.

(ad hominems are unsportsmanlike, and frequently passive-aggressive statements: these are reportable and punishable behaviors by Riot's system)

Austistik1 votes

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First of all, I never said you got permabanned, did I? How about you learn to read basic English?

Second of all, it's fairly easy to tell how others generally think given the large number of the former (banned players) and the way they behave in their posts, and then Rioters that reply to said people and their posts.

I come to this section of Boards so I can laugh my ass off at people who keep breaking the rules and complaining. I find it entertaining.

"a waste of time to deal with people like you." Child.

Astôlfo1 votes

sigh

Reaper Review1 votes

As much as I'd be interested in trying such a challenge, it's highly unlikely to happen. It would kinda defeat the point of a 'permanent' ban.

I've settled for trying to help people here instead, since it's less daunting than trying to replace an account of almost 3 years. The grind's just too much, especially for someone like me who doesn't really marathon the game.

Austistik1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Reaper Review,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gAacprQi,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-25T21:30:45.135+0000)

As much as I'd be interested in trying such a challenge, it's highly unlikely to happen. It would kinda defeat the point of a 'permanent' ban.

I've settled for trying to help people here instead, since it's less daunting than trying to replace an account of almost 3 years. The grind's just too much, especially for someone like me who doesn't really marathon the game.

This isn't for you, you are not special, stop viewing it as it was for you. It is unlikely to happen but this is a challenge for those willing to do it and deserving it, I already said this but I will say it again hoping you will finally process this and get the concept. If you were a riot member this is what riot games as a company would get: more player inspiring good behavior and being honorable, possibly some cash. Permanently banned players view: A way to reform ( and yes does defeat the point of a permanent ban but permanent bans can be changed to something else, such as a "lifetime" ban defeating the "permanent" part of it, and then lifetime bans can be shortened or removed.) and also a way to get rewarded FOR BEING A GOOD HONORABLE PLAYER

Austistik1 votes

If you are going to comment, read the whole thing.

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