Toxicity of Premades

Kastore··2 votes·691 views

In the recent game i have played on thing happend over and over again: Premades mock, flame, taunt and the solo player is the idiot.

In recent game history it came to the point that i even got punished for saying something since they are many and kept report me for asking things or pointing out mistakes.

e.g. I asked my ADC to not pick Vayne or Jinx since i cant lane with them* (NOTE: I dont want to discuss this matter.. Post topic is something else)

So he said "OK - i dont play them normally" and then picks her saying "i want to play her now - kappa".

I confront them and they tell me that he is not trolling and he never said that and he is right... and I get reported by them (3ppl)

And stuff like that happens all the time.. be it passive agressive or openly hostile.. And me - as main support this season - get the hate from them all the time. Yet i dont see any way or attempt from RIOT to somehow balance this or do something against it.

I hope i am not the only one with this issue bc that would mean I am the "mistake" but i have had discussions with many other players who had the same struggle so far..

So RIOT - what are you going to do to help the solo-players / do somethign against this behaviour?

Greetings Kastore

*Reason: lost almost every game with Vayne or Jinx as my ADC. So I take the "blame" by saying "i cant lane" so they dont get "offended"

11 Comments

Dynikus2 votes

There are toxic players in every queue type, be it solos, duos, trios, etc. Multiple reports don't mean anything if you don't do anything deserving of punishment.

Unrelated, I'm curious why you can't lane with Jinx? There aren't really any supports I can think of that don't work well with her.

Emojay1 votes

Unrelated, I'm curious why you can't lane with Jinx? There aren't really any supports I can think of that don't work well with her. I think Taliah support isn't good with jinx. Also, what would be your support mains anyways? You could go find who works well with who, and find a champion that lanes well with it. Or, with practice, you could do well! Any support can do ell with others.

Kastore1 votes

{quoted}

There are toxic players in every queue type, be it solos, duos, trios, etc. Multiple reports don't mean anything if you don't do anything deserving of punishment.

But premade encourages it since you have a gruop around you that "protects" you. Ppl openly admitted that they flame me in TS for .. well i was support and they thought i had to solo carry them in order to be "okay"... And RIOT doesnt do anything about this toxic enviroment THEY created with that system...

KEONIEPPE2 votes

Bro riot doesnt give 2 sh*ts about how the game plays out, but how many reports and the chat logs so you can get completely trolled but I haven't seen a single person who has gotten punished if they just say in chat "I'm new to _____ so sorry for feeding" even if after the game you add them and they say they were trolling. I have had this happen to me before.

Emojay1 votes

Riot will say, "hey guys, be nice, and you will win more!" Then will leave to go make sweetheart yorik skin.

Kastore1 votes

Just now: Kastore : please play champs your are comfy with and nothing risky (such as yasuo that is fed or be useless) Ń e u t r a l TPFB: nice Ń e u t r a l TPFB: I like you Disappearance TPFB: i like u too Disappearance TPFB: lets be positive bcuz u do sht Disappearance TPFB: castoro brutto Kastore Tw4Se: why are premades always toxic!? Ń e u t r a l TPFB: no i was honest Ń e u t r a l TPFB: ..

Always premades... seriously...

Desolas Arterius1 votes

Reports (regardless if single or grouped) mean nothing unless you show frequent negative/toxic behavior in multiple games. A single game where you got reported does nothing and means nothing to the system. It's when you go 5+ games with consistent reporting (whether it be 1 or 4 people reporting after the game) is when you will get punished. So you have nothing to fear from being reported by toxic premades unless you aren't sharing all the information or downplaying this. I'm assuming not, so there's nothing to be worried about.

If anything I'd say report them for unsportsmanlike behavior or negativity. If that group of premades was acting rude then report and move on.

But I will say looking into your match history, I can understand why your struggling as a support. I'm not trying to say "you need to git gud" but there are a few mistakes I can see with your build that could improve your gameplay (even with Jinx and Vanye). A few of your Braum games you don't really prioritize tanky health items. Braum is a tank support that needs health items. Obviously you still build armor and MR, but never did you build a sunfire cape, warmogs, spirit visage, etc. This is just the Braum games I looked at, but simply saying "I cant lane with X" because you lost almost every game is a poor excuse for not getting better and improving. I feel you're holding yourself back and refusing to learn how to lane with those champions. Try to break out of that so you can keep improving. It's not really fair to say "Dont pick X because I cant lane with them" to another player, especially if that's their main or most comfortable. It wouldn't be right for someone to tell you not to pick your best support because they "can't lane" or "always lose" with that support.

Either way, I wish you luck. Not all premades are rude, but if you do come across a rude group just report and move on. Easier on the mind and feels better than to keep dwelling on their negative behavior.

Hope that helps.

PS: I dont really have this issue, playing as solo or grouped, because I dont let others get under my skin :) I just play for fun and always learn from mistakes I might have made. We all aren't perfect, but never forget to keep improving!

Kastore1 votes

Couple of things:

1. Offtopic I appreciate the time you put in the reply

The "problem" i have with supporting Vayne/Jinx is not that i cant, it is that i dont want to (see OP - at the end). But thanks for the feedback. If they state they main these champs I check their score and play [Note: No discussion on this please - the problem is another page]

2. Topic: Agressive behavior in Champ Select

So when I state "please dont" and give reasons (regardless off "me taking the blame" or "ingame reasons") it happens so often that the ADC still hovers said champion, troll picks it then, their premade troll-hovers it (always till last second) and such. If I then confront them with it by saying "Was that really needed to hover and mock me with it? ._." they tend to start raging or insult me. First one person and then it snowballs to all of them.

3. Topic: Reporting

The main problem still is that they flame and i have to "live with it", while 3-4 player report me and i have to report 4. The more i report however, the less value my reports get since i (exaggerated) "whine all the time". So the reports that come from the premade mean alot more, but not from the solo-player that has to report them.

4. Solution?

So the only way I can do somethign against that is to mute all of them and then get robbed of my way to communicate/get information from them thus leaving me at an disadvantage. In addition the supports have barely any influence on the game in low elo (below plat i'd say) so my only way to actually influence the game is via chat.. which then is useless (due to already having a negative attitude towards me)

If i dont report them i get flamed, insulted, blamed for everything that i do. Be it getting a kill due to an AoE spell, a thunderlord proc or tower-aggro (had that). Or when ADC dies due to not warding, pinging - or if i sacrifice myself so the ADC survives for feeding.

Desolas Arterius1 votes
  1. Offtopic

Hey no problem. I actually main support and jungle so I'm always happy to give a little advice if anyone wants to hear it :) Support can be a tough role to main so I do wish you the best of luck.

  1. Topic: Agressive behavior in Champ Select

Probably in that situation I'd take a screenshot and maybe list in the report a link to the screen or something similar. I'm not entirely sure, but I do think Riot has the ability to check pregame and post game chat. I am not sure though :( Always sucks when that happens I'll admit. Those situations are really tricky to deal with properly... But I do hope Riot fixes that with the new Client.

  1. Topic: Reporting

Actually, that's not how the report system works. Your report becomes less valuable if you false report consistently (as in multiple games). For example: you report once every game for a total of 10 games towards players who don't fit the criteria of being reported (meaning they weren't toxic, AFK, griefing, etc). At that point your report would be worthless because your account would be seen as a false reporter. But in the situation you described, your report would be worth more than theirs considering they acted toxic towards you. The system would pick up on their behavior and punish them whereas you would be safe. The system is even good enough to pick up on premades false reporting as well, or even punishes them for stuff most people wouldn't notice (Example: saw a 4s premade get banned for forcing surrenders in ranked as a joke, even when they were way ahead in towers/kills.)

It's not about the quantity of reports, it's about the quality in this case. Riot did a good job on this to prevent people from abusing the report system just because they want to troll or "feel like it". I hope that makes sense :) I'd be happy to break it down further!

  1. Solution?

I agree that it's a crappy solution to mute your entire team when you're stuck with a toxic premade, but at the moment it's all we have to work with until Riot finishes the new Client. Perhaps by then there might be more solutions, but we haven't heard much regarding that :/

I will say though, there's plenty of ways to communicate outside of chat. Pings are super helpful in cases where the chat wont work (or in the situation of muting). I also disagree; supports have a ton of influence in the game. Just as much as a jungle or carry does. Sometimes it's not as obvious, but I will tell you a lot of weight is put on a support. A good support can win you the game. The issue is really attitude and communication with the whole team.

The only solution I can really give you is to just ignore the people who try to troll or get a negative response out of you. Just focus on playing and having fun rather than worrying about them talking trash or whatever. Use pings to signal going in, where you're warding, or roaming if you're a roam support. Don't beat yourself up too much if you do make a mistake or if you lose lane. Mistakes happen to all of us! Just figure out what you did wrong, learn how to fix it, and keep playing! Remember this is still a game, and games are meant to be played for fun :) Regardless of the level of play, always remember to have fun.

It sounds corny but I guarantee you it's way better to play this game for fun and how you want to. Ignore the idiots and dont stress yourself out listening to them or dealing with them. (and if someone flames at your for stealing a kill, well I guess that means they have a pretty fragile ego ;P)

Kastore1 votes

Btw today again:

2 premades: A 4 man in mine and a 3 man in the enemy team.

My team constantly insults, blames, flames ppl in french starting already in the champ select and continues in the game (if said nothing the whole selection)

Enemy midlaner keeps on trash talking in all chat against "how bad i am" and "that why walls suck" (Anivia) yet goes 0/6 against me and have a Panth-Heimer botlane (trolling) and they win.

Seriously... what is wrong with these premades?! Constant flame, blame, trolling and the solo player is the idiot of it

More from Player Behavior