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Permanent bans should be put up for re-evaluation after a while. Please read before down voting.

Shrek iz Lyfe··3 votes·838 views

I just want to preface this by saying I am not permanently banned, so I'm not just raging. I just don't think the concept of permanently banning people is not very fair to certain people.

I know that a lot of people who have been banned will probably never reform, but I do believe that there are some people who can truly learn from their mistakes and improve. I know Riot has done some studies that say most people who are punished don't reform if given another chance, but I would definitely put up with one or two extra trolls a week if it meant that some of my fellow players who did reform got to play again. As much as I dislike people who feed or flame their team mates, in the end it really doesn't matter because It's still very possible to climb and you can still enjoy the game and practice for next time even if it's 4v5.

If the time stamp was set at a few months, I highly doubt any but the most dedicated trolls would go through all the trouble of sending in a request just to be banned 2 games later. Those people who are truly dedicated to ruining the experiences of others could easily just buy or level up smurfs.

If a player proves to be truly unresponsive to additional chances, then they should lose their account, but in the system right now from how I understand it. You go from chat restriction, which is a joke of a punishment to be honest, to a 2 week ban, to a permanent ban. Two weeks isn't really enough time to think about what you've done and you don't even miss your account if you've been banned for 2 weeks so you won't really think about losing your account forever.

That's just my opinion anyways, I guess I just believe in the American principle that it's better to let a few bad guys go in order to make sure no good guys are wrongly punished.

I'm glad we're having a discussion about this but some people still don't seem to get the point, notably, The Curator. I'm not interested in people who's only goal is to make the other person look dumb and completely discredit their idea. We should build off of each other's opinions and reach a reasonable solution.

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ModMod Curator9 votes

But then they wouldn't be permanent bans.

Shrek iz Lyfe2 votes

They could be but you would have to apply to get it lifted

ModMod Curator8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T02:40:11.266+0000)

They could be but you would have to apply to get it lifted

Which, by definition, would make it a temporary ban and not a permanent one.

Permanent = forever.

Shrek iz Lyfe2 votes

Please read the post again. I do think absolute permanent bans have a place but it should be more reserved for extreme cases rather than just passing them out a dime a dozen

ModMod Curator5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T02:45:33.562+0000)

Please read the post again. I do think absolute permanent bans have a place but it should be more reserved for extreme cases rather than just passing them out a dime a dozen

They're handed out when people either do something considered completely unacceptable or after having ignored the prior notifications and punishments informing them they're participating in behaviors considered unacceptable.

If it seems like they're "a dime a dozen" maybe you should consider that is the system working appropriately and it's the humans interacting with the system that have a problem.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

It goes, chat, 2 week, perma. That's too quick as I explained in my post Also like I said in a comment, they don't do a very good job of notifying you of the consequences and that's another major problem

ModMod Curator4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2017-01-19T02:51:26.046+0000)

It goes, chat, 2 week, perma. That's too quick as I explained in my post Also like I said in a comment, they don't do a very good job of notifying you of the consequences and that's another major problem

If someone has gone through the multiple levels of chat bans and the two week ban and still hasn't either figured out they're doing something unacceptable, or just doesn't care, there's absolutely zero argument in my mind to continue punishing the rest of the community with their presence.

The Boards are FULL of posts about people complaining that Riot doesn't do enough to punish players for unacceptable behavior in-game. Your post is in direct opposition to that saying they should make the rules even more lax so those players can continue to make the game unenjoyable for others.

Sorry, not interested.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

Don't you think that people can change? Especially for a game like League a lot of teenagers and college students play it. During this stage of life people mature a lot in just a year or two. The man someone was during sophomore year of high school might be completely different than the person he is now as say a freshman in college, for example. I think that if someone really wants to play and truly regrets what they did 6 months or a year later they should be given another chance because most people put money and a lot of time into this game and having that taken away from you just doesn't compare to having to put up with a person with a negative attitude every once in a while.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

  • They should have started changing when they got chat restricted or 14 days suspended. You don't see students who failed their course jump back to where they last failed if they were retaking the course.

  • Money doesn't buy you an immunity to punishments. If people actually knew what & who they were paying to and for, they wouldn't be as toxic as they were now.

  • League was a LOT more toxic back before Season 4 started, where the 4-step punishments haven't been implied. Toxic players can simply get chat restricted multiple times, and that wouldn't dial down the toxicity.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

I never said money should make you immune to punishment. But if we're being real, anyone who has spent a significant amount of time on this game who would care if they got permanently banned has spent at least some money at some point.

Lauchmelder1 votes

I think they should just make a big warning pop up explaining what permanent actually means tbh.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

That's a good idea too before someone gets permanently banned because I've known people who were banned and the warning are very small. It's almost like they don't care

Kei1431 votes

'I've said this before,I'm for reform, but to me, just being neutral isn't enough.

There has to be at least a year of positive influence and maybe community service to make it count.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

How can you be positive if you can't play?

Kei1433 votes

start a new account and prove that you are positive.

ModMod Curator6 votes

{quoted}

start a new account and prove that you are positive.

This.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

That definitely sounds like a good idea and i've thought about it too, the 1 issue would be proving it was actually you. Other than that I would love to see them implement such a feature

ModMod Curator6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T03:20:16.039+0000)

That definitely sounds like a good idea and i've thought about it too, the 1 issue would be proving it was actually you. Other than that I would love to see them implement such a feature

You misunderstand. We're not saying "start a new account. show them you've reformed so you can get your old account back." That's been tried by Riot and proven to not work.

We're saying "Start a new account and play on that one." Losing your account is a punishment. It should suck. That's the point. Hopefully it sucks enough for you to learn not to do that again.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

If you can be good on another account why shouldn't you be able to earn back the money and time you spent on your old one? There's no motivation to be good again. If you have the incentive of your old account then you are much more willing to earn it back and you will be less likely to do bad things.

ModMod Curator3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T03:40:38.120+0000)

If you can be good on another account why shouldn't you be able to earn back the money and time you spent on your old one? There's no motivation to be good again. If you have the incentive of your old account then you are much more willing to earn it back and you will be less likely to do bad things.

The incentive is keeping your current account and whatever you've earned on it.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

But there's no incentive to even make an account in the first place, and plus you shouldn't need an incentive to be good. You should be good just because you're a good person. Good people should be rewarded with more than, hey you aren't banned on two accounts.

ModMod Curator4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T04:06:40.168+0000)

But there's no incentive to even make an account in the first place, and plus you shouldn't need an incentive to be good. You should be good just because you're a good person. Good people should be rewarded with more than, hey you aren't banned on two accounts.

Make up your mind.

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T03:40:38.120+0000)

If you can be good on another account why shouldn't you be able to earn back the money and time you spent on your old one? There's no motivation to be good again. If you have the incentive of your old account then you are much more willing to earn it back and you will be less likely to do bad things.

You literally said you should have an incentive. You can't flip-flop back and forth and expect anyone to listen to you anymore.

Good luck.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

Your motivation shouldn't be that you will get something out of it, and you aren't. You are just being returned what was stolen from you by Riot when you were toxic.

Magical Player2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-19T04:06:40.168+0000)

But there's no incentive to even make an account in the first place, and plus you shouldn't need an incentive to be good. You should be good just because you're a good person. Good people should be rewarded with more than, hey you aren't banned on two accounts.

Riot rewards good players already :D, its amazing people forget that season rewards, loot boxes are entirely based around not being a dingus in league of legends. They are direct rewards for being a "good person"

"You should be good just because you're a good person." I agree with this, so why do you need a reward for being a good person....

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-19T05:09:50.435+0000)

Riot rewards good players already :D, its amazing people forget that season rewards, loot boxes are entirely based around not being a dingus in league of legends. They are direct rewards for being a "good person"

"You should be good just because you're a good person." I agree with this, so why do you need a reward for being a good person....

they aren't rewards for being a good person, they are rewards for being a "not bad" person

Magical Player1 votes

{quoted}

they aren't rewards for being a good person, they are rewards for being a "not bad" person

If you're not bad you must be therefore good There is no middle ground Either Good or Bad

Bettnachleger1 votes

You can be neutral?! Just don't say anything.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

I don't really agree with that statement. Riot doesn't reward positive players with end of season rewards, they reward players who have skill. You don't get a diamond border because you were nice. They just threaten to take away the reward that you've earned if you are bad. Also don't pretend the loot boxes are a reward, they're a money making scheme invented by Riot to milk money out of people with gambling addictions.

Magical Player2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shrek iz Lyfe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=g2B00Oe9,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2017-01-20T19:11:34.564+0000)

I don't really agree with that statement. Riot doesn't reward positive players with end of season rewards, they reward players who have skill. You don't get a diamond border because you were nice. They just threaten to take away the reward that you've earned if you are bad. Also don't pretend the loot boxes are a reward, they're a money making scheme invented by Riot to milk money out of people with gambling addictions.

The loot boxes indeed earn riot money, but they a 100% free aspect of the game. Every good person earns loot boxes, if you are shown to be a negative aspect you get docked boxes. So if bad people dont get boxes and Good people do get boxes Sounds like a toxic player would want to reform to earn a loot box Also, season rewards are skill based but maintain by being a good/neutral human being being a dick removes them

Good/Neutral or Bad two sides, pick yours today, knowing that each side gets its own rewards Boxes/Season Rewards-good Punishments-bad which sounds better, you decide

In the past riot also has given out free skins to players who were positive elements in league, I got gentlemen cho gath from it

a Direct reward for being good

Mahrix15001 votes

This was tried a few years back. The deal was if you were able to get to Level 30 on your new smurf account and not take a penalty you would get your perma'd account back. Only a handful of people actually completed the challenge, so they discontinued it.

Shrek iz Lyfe1 votes

That's one of my main points. Only if 1 in 10,000 players benefits from such a system I say it is still worth it. Those are the principles America was founded on.

This Is Your Dad1 votes

The point is to show you there are irreversible consequences to everything. The message really sinks in doesn't it, when you're constantly wishing you could be unbanned? I do get where you're coming from, but I'm just telling you permanent bans are the most effective message.

FurriesAreHot1 votes

Its really hard to get permabanned with riot's current system. I find the way they run it to be very forgiving and a great system.

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