Perm bans a way for Riot to make more money by having players come back and re-buy skins

Kittenpunched·Dec 19, 2015·2 votes·3,447 views

Just seems like perm bans are a little much. I understand bans and punishments but 0 forgiveness just doesn't seem right especially when in this instance and many other the people I was talking to and upset with were intentionally griefing. It almost makes me want to just make a league account to do what these players did to me. Piss you off until you get so mad you speak out then get reported cause the tribunal will never punish those who harass and abuse you game-play wise only those who speak out about it. Imo the other ones worse seeing as tho you are not allowed to leave games and can't even try to FF until 20 minutes it would be important I think that all players should get the same respect. But thats just not the case players who as long as they don't type can get away with anything and let me tell you there is quite a lot of things you can do in League to another player that a mute button will not fix but thanks for stealing another persons money for an un-deserved permaban.

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Deep Terror NamiDec 19, 20156 votes

If a permaban is too much for you, start following the rules before you get to that point :3 That is literally their purpose; not to make more money, but to either deter you from breaking the rules or stopping you from continuing to do so.

TyshethDec 19, 20155 votes

,,:,..,.,,., Here, I think you dropped these.

If someone comes back after a permaban and buys more skins, that's their fault. A permaban doesn't mean, "Give us more money." It means, "We clearly don't want you here. Get out and don't come back."

Kittenpunchu2Dec 19, 20151 votes

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,,:,..,.,,., Here, I think you dropped these.

If someone comes back after a permaban and buys more skins, that's their fault. A permaban doesn't mean, "Give us more money." It means, "We clearly don't want you here. Get out and don't come back."

fair enough I get that. But explain the lack of communication to bans or the players being banned. You don't know its coming and can't even apologize and try again my perm ban was my seccond ban. and only had 3 chat restrictions. I understand that yes it shows I made some errors in sportsmanship but again, that seems like a severe lack of forgiveness and little extreme. You get 1 chance only? 1 ban then the next is perm? like really come on lol

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20153 votes

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fair enough I get that. But explain the lack of communication to bans or the players being banned. You don't know its coming and can't even apologize and try again my perm ban was my seccond ban. and only had 3 chat restrictions. I understand that yes it shows I made some errors in sportsmanship but again, that seems like a severe lack of forgiveness and little extreme. You get 1 chance only? 1 ban then the next is perm? like really come on lol

1 chance? You had 5 punishments. You had 5 chances. So what should anyone expect to change on the 6th chance? Chat restrictions didn't change anything, a temporary ban didn't change anything. So you were simply removed.

Currently things escalate mostly on recidivism.

10 game chat restriction
25 game chat restrictions
14 day ban
Permanent ban.

Severe offenses can skip you past tiers of punishment. Typically they get a 14 day ban and then permanent ban.

Some people are going to make new accounts and some of those will probably buying stuff. The game is free to play so there isn't really any good way to stop that from happening but riot perma bans players becuase they do not want them playing the game anymore.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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1 chance? You had 5 punishments. You had 5 chances. So what should anyone expect to change on the 6th chance? Chat restrictions didn't change anything, a temporary ban didn't change anything. So you were simply removed.

Currently things escalate mostly on recidivism.

10 game chat restriction

25 game chat restrictions

14 day ban

Permanent ban.

Severe offenses can skip you past tiers of punishment. Typically they get a 14 day ban and then permanent ban.

Some people are going to make new accounts and some of those will probably buying stuff. The game is free to play so there isn't really any good way to stop that from happening but riot perma bans players becuase they do not want them playing the game anymore.

maybe your right in counting chat restrictions I really don't seeing as though you can get them for absolutly no reason. Still doesn't explain why permaban is even a solution Its too extreme and only would make sense to try to just make more money from people who can't find a better game cause there really isn't any.

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20152 votes

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maybe your right in counting chat restrictions I really don't seeing as though you can get them for absolutly no reason. Still doesn't explain why permaban is even a solution Its too extreme and only would make sense to try to just make more money from people who can't find a better game cause there really isn't any.

Chat restrictions absolutely do count and you cannot get them for nothing. You just chose to ignore them, which is on you.

Perma ban is a solution because at some point there is just no longer any reason to think someone will change their unacceptable behavior. So you perma ban them to remove them from the game.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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Chat restrictions absolutely do count and you cannot get them for nothing. You just chose to ignore them, which is on you.

Perma ban is a solution because at some point there is just no longer any reason to think someone will change their unacceptable behavior. So you perma ban them to remove them from the game.

sorry smoke you are wrong ive gotten chat restrictions for saying nothing against summoner code before and heard many stories of the same

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20152 votes

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sorry smoke you are wrong ive gotten chat restrictions for saying nothing against summoner code before and heard many stories of the same

You were chat restricted for nothing or you disagree with the reason given? Those are very different things.

Everyone gets logs for chat related punishments now so there is really no hiding what is happening. The stories are mostly people wrongly thinking that something justifies/excuses what they said or disagreeing with what should be punishable.

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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1 chance? You had 5 punishments. You had 5 chances. So what should anyone expect to change on the 6th chance? Chat restrictions didn't change anything, a temporary ban didn't change anything. So you were simply removed.

Currently things escalate mostly on recidivism.

10 game chat restriction

25 game chat restrictions

14 day ban

Permanent ban.

Severe offenses can skip you past tiers of punishment. Typically they get a 14 day ban and then permanent ban.

Some people are going to make new accounts and some of those will probably buying stuff. The game is free to play so there isn't really any good way to stop that from happening but riot perma bans players becuase they do not want them playing the game anymore.

If that were the case Incarnation would never have made a pro team for this last season. There's half a dozen other pros that ALSO fit this bill.

Love ya mate, long time since I've had a chance to see ya on the boards, but this is flat out wrong. Riot permas people for 1 reason, it brings in more bacon. There's two elements to that: 1) the banned player has to spend money to repurchase content, direct profits, particularly if the banned account had maxed out its purchases and 2) the players not being banned feel Riot is actually doing something to combat all the negative things that happen in game and thus are more willing to spend cash, indirect profit.

Its all about dat bottom line.

Seriously though man, how ya been!?!? Ain't seen you on da boards in a while mate.

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20151 votes

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If that were the case Incarnation would never have made a pro team for this last season. There's half a dozen other pros that ALSO fit this bill.

Love ya mate, long time since I've had a chance to see ya on the boards, but this is flat out wrong. Riot permas people for 1 reason, it brings in more bacon. There's two elements to that: 1) the banned player has to spend money to repurchase content, direct profits, particularly if the banned account had maxed out its purchases and 2) the players not being banned feel Riot is actually doing something to combat all the negative things that happen in game and thus are more willing to spend cash, indirect profit.

Its all about dat bottom line.

Seriously though man, how ya been!?!? Ain't seen you on da boards in a while mate.

I wish they would consider bans to be on players not on accounts but unfortunately that is not the case. As far as im aware none of those pro players ever got those accounts back. Competitive eligibility is a whole separate thing. I don't particularly care about it or follow it all so ill stay out of that one.

Weve gone at it with this one several times but until you can show something to definitively show that I'll stick with riots statements and my own experience. I do think that the punishments are at least partly financially related but for different reasons. Those people drive away other customers. Though I'm not sure that is a significant factor in them or just a side effect.

Ive been pretty good. I never left the boards, just GD. I realized that the GD I was fighting for didn't exist. GD seemed to be exactly what it wants to be. So I left to misc. I still read and post there some but mostly stay in PBM. How have you been?

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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I wish they would consider bans to be on players not on accounts but unfortunately that is not the case. As far as im aware none of those pro players ever got those accounts back. Competitive eligibility is a whole separate thing. I don't particularly care about it or follow it all so ill stay out of that one.

Weve gone at it with this one several times but until you can show something to definitively show that I'll stick with riots statements and my own experience. I do think that the punishments are at least partly financially related but for different reasons. Those people drive away other customers. Though I'm not sure that is a significant factor in them or just a side effect.

Ive been pretty good. I never left the boards, just GD. I realized that the GD I was fighting for didn't exist. GD seemed to be exactly what it wants to be. So I left to misc. I still read and post there some but mostly stay in PBM. How have you been?

Oh yeah, some of them got accounts back. For sure.

I've been good. I still wander from board to board, visting what topics interest me but still stick to my wheelhouse: Questions regarding improving at the game, player behavior, or board moderation.

GD is as it ever was. As it probably always will be. Its a nut house, but it can be a cool place to hang out at from time to time.

Always love to debate and converse with you and Jamaree, you two always make strong cases on stuff whether we agree on the subject matter or not. That's how things should be, its nice.

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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Always love to debate and converse with you and Jamaree, you two always make strong cases on stuff whether we agree on the subject matter or not. That's how things should be, its nice.

Actual discussion, on a forums, you are mad sir!!!

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20151 votes

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Oh yeah, some of them got accounts back. For sure.

I've been good. I still wander from board to board, visting what topics interest me but still stick to my wheelhouse: Questions regarding improving at the game, player behavior, or board moderation.

GD is as it ever was. As it probably always will be. Its a nut house, but it can be a cool place to hang out at from time to time.

Always love to debate and converse with you and Jamaree, you two always make strong cases on stuff whether we agree on the subject matter or not. That's how things should be, its nice.

Ya, im not a fan of the "shitposty" nature of GD. And while I do think it makes the whole boards look bad, it is what it is. If thats what people want then who am I to say that they shouldn't have it.

Ya I love the back and forth with you. Unfortunately most people focus on trying to vilify those they disagree with.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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Ya, im not a fan of the "shitposty" nature of GD. And while I do think it makes the whole boards look bad, it is what it is. If thats what people want then who am I to say that they shouldn't have it.

Ya I love the back and forth with you. Unfortunately most people focus on trying to vilify those they disagree with.

What is this GD if you don't mind me asking

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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What is this GD if you don't mind me asking

general discussion?

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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general discussion?

Yessir.

Back, years ago, before the move to the boards, GD was basically the only forum with any traffic so it became the go to spot on the website to interact with other players. It was a god awful mess and it still can be. But its OUR god awful mess and that makes all the difference sometimes.

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20151 votes

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What is this GD if you don't mind me asking

The General Discussion section of the boards.

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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Ya, im not a fan of the "shitposty" nature of GD. And while I do think it makes the whole boards look bad, it is what it is. If thats what people want then who am I to say that they shouldn't have it.

Ya I love the back and forth with you. Unfortunately most people focus on trying to vilify those they disagree with.

I think its safe to say I've never been that way. I don't mind some of the shitposty type of stuff, but there's plenty that I feel just doesn't belong on the boards. The one thing I DO like about GD is the "bar" type of atmosphere it has. I think that's kind of required to have a healthy boards, a place for people to come and hang out, meet others, and make friends to get into games with. I feel like the information sharing part was dramatically enhanced with the switch to the boards and the new subsections, but some times ya just wanna go where everyone knows your name, have a good time, share some laughs and tell some stories.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 19, 20154 votes

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KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

I like how they don't show any of the other players too and all the trash that was being said to me lol these logs just make me look bad cause it is only one persons chat... but whatever i remember it used to show both prob made too many ppl look un-deserving of bans

JamareeDec 19, 20152 votes

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I like how they don't show any of the other players too and all the trash that was being said to me lol these logs just make me look bad cause it is only one persons chat... but whatever i remember it used to show both prob made too many ppl look un-deserving of bans

I miss the Tribunal too personally, but two wrongs don't make a right, that being said, I would prefer the actual link to your chat logs.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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I miss the Tribunal too personally, but two wrongs don't make a right, that being said, I would prefer the actual link to your chat logs.

what do you mean the actualy link

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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what do you mean the actualy link

Unless they changed it, when you open your link to the logs, it should come up as an actual link, I would much prefer that posted then just copy and paste.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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Unless they changed it, when you open your link to the logs, it should come up as an actual link, I would much prefer that posted then just copy and paste.

i mean i don't see a link anywhere in the email the only thing that let me even copy it was in the actual game when i logged in

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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i mean i don't see a link anywhere in the email the only thing that let me even copy it was in the actual game when i logged in

Hm, guessed the changed it, nvm then.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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Hm, guessed the changed it, nvm then.

yea used to show all the players chat too but now just the person i think thats kind of funny aswell.. no proof of error that way not saying im innocent but im sure if the others players text was up there it could cause some concerns and what not of their methods. Gotta hand it to them they know how to protect their ways and methods.

JamareeDec 19, 20152 votes

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yea used to show all the players chat too but now just the person i think thats kind of funny aswell.. no proof of error that way not saying im innocent but im sure if the others players text was up there it could cause some concerns and what not of their methods. Gotta hand it to them they know how to protect their ways and methods.

Let's compare it to real life. Someone starts a fight with you, you fight back, you both get thrown in jail, your sentence might be lighter, but other person not so much. That is more or less what happened here. Two wrongs do not make a right, and while I don't agree with how the system works right now, even if you were to defend yourself, that only isn't enough to get you banned. It isn't. I know because I'm not an angel, I have flamed people who popped off on me, I have AFKed games where I got pounced on. I have done all the things people say they only do to defend themselves, and to this day, after five years of playing and nearly 10 k games played, the amount of warnings I have EVER gotten from ANY system, old automated, Tribunal, current, is a whopping ZERO. So I find it hard to believe that you only jumped from a 3 chat restriction to permaban or your logs aren't editted, something isn't adding up.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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Let's compare it to real life. Someone starts a fight with you, you fight back, you both get thrown in jail, your sentence might be lighter, but other person not so much. That is more or less what happened here. Two wrongs do not make a right, and while I don't agree with how the system works right now, even if you were to defend yourself, that only isn't enough to get you banned. It isn't. I know because I'm not an angel, I have flamed people who popped off on me, I have AFKed games where I got pounced on. I have done all the things people say they only do to defend themselves, and to this day, after five years of playing and nearly 10 k games played, the amount of warnings I have EVER gotten from ANY system, old automated, Tribunal, current, is a whopping ZERO. So I find it hard to believe that you only jumped from a 3 chat restriction to permaban or your logs aren't editted, something isn't adding up.

sorry this is just wrong on so many levels first of all the example is stupid don't manipulate shit to make you seem more right lets do this the right way. It would be like playing a soccer game and one player sitting on the field time to time to look at bugs in the grass and when asked about it or confronted or told off that player then not only talking back, insulting, and then increasing the level of which he is looking at bugs not contributing and even kicking you on the team trying to trip you. Then you maybe pushing him off pushing back a little telling other people whats going on and being PUNISHED for it that is what it is.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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sorry this is just wrong on so many levels first of all the example is stupid don't manipulate shit to make you seem more right lets do this the right way. It would be like playing a soccer game and one player sitting on the field time to time to look at bugs in the grass and when asked about it or confronted or told off that player then not only talking back, insulting, and then increasing the level of which he is looking at bugs not contributing and even kicking you on the team trying to trip you. Then you maybe pushing him off pushing back a little telling other people whats going on and being PUNISHED for it that is what it is.

no it wasn't 3 chat then perm ban fyi it was 2 week ban like month ago came back to the game got a perm ban no restrictions when i came back from the 2 week ban there was nothing but a perm ban next. all the chat restrictions and stuff were before the 2 week ban so yea i kinda just got perm banned instantly after my 1 month vacation from league 2 weeks of which were punishment for the same type of nonsense telling players who are not doing jack shit to do some work and them saying "fuck you" or "never ganking top now good luck"

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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sorry this is just wrong on so many levels first of all the example is stupid don't manipulate shit to make you seem more right lets do this the right way. It would be like playing a soccer game and one player sitting on the field time to time to look at bugs in the grass and when asked about it or confronted or told off that player then not only talking back, insulting, and then increasing the level of which he is looking at bugs not contributing and even kicking you on the team trying to trip you. Then you maybe pushing him off pushing back a little telling other people whats going on and being PUNISHED for it that is what it is.

But that not what you did, the logs clearly show that. You didn't just nudge them to help, you kept outright berating them over and over and over and over again. Legit, who would want to play with someone who goes out of his way to just whine and whine and whine, and even in your logs where you were going off against the jungler, you said he was helping bot so he wasn't doing nothing. There are 3 lanes, and he possibly thought helping you wasn't worth it.

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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sorry this is just wrong on so many levels first of all the example is stupid don't manipulate shit to make you seem more right lets do this the right way. It would be like playing a soccer game and one player sitting on the field time to time to look at bugs in the grass and when asked about it or confronted or told off that player then not only talking back, insulting, and then increasing the level of which he is looking at bugs not contributing and even kicking you on the team trying to trip you. Then you maybe pushing him off pushing back a little telling other people whats going on and being PUNISHED for it that is what it is.

In your example both soccer players weren't playing the game. One deliberately, while the other, out of frustration, became so focused on the one not playing he also decided not to play.

Not good.

Eye for an eye and the whole world being blind and what not.

Don't get me wrong, just like Jamaree I think this system is garbage in many respects, but I don't have much power to control it or change it so I deal with the reality of how the situation is.

In the end, for you, it comes down to this: The system is bogus, the game can be a travesty, and Riot as a company has proven time after time they aren't exactly a trustworthy entity. The question remains, do you still want to play? If so, you adapt, you learn, you change, and mold yourself to fit into a niche that works as part of the system's whole. If not you leave the game and stop giving this sad excuse for a company money. Those are the choices, same choices as pretty much everything else in the real world. The authorities that be have said its gonna be done this way and that's the way its gotta be done or else ya wind up in jail with bruised knuckles and the guy whose face got introduced to your fist for a cell mate.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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In your example both soccer players weren't playing the game. One deliberately, while the other, out of frustration, became so focused on the one not playing he also decided not to play.

Not good.

Eye for an eye and the whole world being blind and what not.

Don't get me wrong, just like Jamaree I think this system is garbage in many respects, but I don't have much power to control it or change it so I deal with the reality of how the situation is.

In the end, for you, it comes down to this: The system is bogus, the game can be a travesty, and Riot as a company has proven time after time they aren't exactly a trustworthy entity. The question remains, do you still want to play? If so, you adapt, you learn, you change, and mold yourself to fit into a niche that works as part of the system's whole. If not you leave the game and stop giving this sad excuse for a company money. Those are the choices, same choices as pretty much everything else in the real world. The authorities that be have said its gonna be done this way and that's the way its gotta be done or else ya wind up in jail with bruised knuckles and the guy whose face got introduced to your fist for a cell mate.

again wrong cause in the game that i was banned i was top on score cs and all that and ganked the most i was playing the game so in the soccer game i would be as well you can play a league game and talk its not like its impossible and thats what happend. I am still playing am i being a role model league member no but doesn't change the fact that if the player looking at bugs wasn't there and the player kicking other players wasn't there nothing would ever even happen. Or if when asked nicely 4-15 times respond instead of doing the exact opposite

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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again wrong cause in the game that i was banned i was top on score cs and all that and ganked the most i was playing the game so in the soccer game i would be as well you can play a league game and talk its not like its impossible and thats what happend. I am still playing am i being a role model league member no but doesn't change the fact that if the player looking at bugs wasn't there and the player kicking other players wasn't there nothing would ever even happen. Or if when asked nicely 4-15 times respond instead of doing the exact opposite

you are right in most of what you are saying just not with me and what happend those players were griefing and talking shit and intentionally pissing me off and it worked. and its just sad that tribunal can't see that and give punishments more deserving like more chat restrictions or just more temp bans cause its not like im spamming the N word and the F word over and over at people im simply upset people are not playing the game or even trying to help when its clear I need a little bit.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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you are right in most of what you are saying just not with me and what happend those players were griefing and talking shit and intentionally pissing me off and it worked. and its just sad that tribunal can't see that and give punishments more deserving like more chat restrictions or just more temp bans cause its not like im spamming the N word and the F word over and over at people im simply upset people are not playing the game or even trying to help when its clear I need a little bit.

And in one game actually my support (bard) was spamming Laugh every time i died right next to me on my tower literally spamming laugh as 2 people zone me off cs and ofcorse normal emotions would be anger and annoyance but really im getting in trouble and perm banned for yelling at a player that deserves it much more? insane imo

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20151 votes

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And in one game actually my support (bard) was spamming Laugh every time i died right next to me on my tower literally spamming laugh as 2 people zone me off cs and ofcorse normal emotions would be anger and annoyance but really im getting in trouble and perm banned for yelling at a player that deserves it much more? insane imo

It is not your(or mine) to make those decisions. We are users, not administrators. Riot gives us the power to report behavior we think deserves punishment but that it is where our power ends.

It is well established that retaliation is not acceptable behavior in league. You can think the other person is worse and I wouldn't even disagree with you. However, both instigating and retaliating are unacceptable in league. So which is worse isn't important.

SmokedAlmondsDec 19, 20151 votes

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thus proving its a scummy game who's prime goal is money and will perm ban people in hopes they come back and spend more there is no other explanation for not caring who threw the first punch

It doesn't prove anything like that. That is merely your interpretation of the situation.

Retaliation just makes things worse. It is just perpetuating the negative situation.

JamareeDec 19, 20152 votes

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again wrong cause in the game that i was banned i was top on score cs and all that and ganked the most i was playing the game so in the soccer game i would be as well you can play a league game and talk its not like its impossible and thats what happend. I am still playing am i being a role model league member no but doesn't change the fact that if the player looking at bugs wasn't there and the player kicking other players wasn't there nothing would ever even happen. Or if when asked nicely 4-15 times respond instead of doing the exact opposite

Except he was doing something, I want to point out that in your logs, you clearly stated that the jungler was bot

Kittenpunched: lol Kittenpunched: stop ganking bot dude Kittenpunched: zac justfyi

In fact, he was getting the bot ahead enough that said Twitch actually had a better KDA then you

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Kittenpunched

You also didn't ask nicely, all you did was whine over and over that you were being ganked, then whined he wasn't helping you more.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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Except he wasn't doing anything, I want to point out that in your logs, you clearly stated that the jungler was bot

Kittenpunched: lol Kittenpunched: stop ganking bot dude Kittenpunched: zac justfyi

In fact, he was getting the bot ahead enough that said Twitch actually had a better KDA then you

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Kittenpunched

You also didn't ask nicely, all you did was whine over and over that you were being ganked, then whined he wasn't helping you more.

this is why i miss the old reform cards cause no bot failed still lost he had no successful ganks bot he just sat around bot and yes i did as nice the first time

dyde can u plz this rek has like 11 ganks mid lol

and got back "ill do what i want" in return. And the player i said you were wrong about was me i thought you were saying i wasn't playing cause i was typing maybe i miss understood point is zac was looking at bugs doing nothing but letting me get camped over and over and over and over until i didn't even want to play anymore. (top actually that game as well got really camped out and he even showed a little bit of upset toward zac)

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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this is why i miss the old reform cards cause no bot failed still lost he had no successful ganks bot he just sat around bot and yes i did as nice the first time

1/2/10 says otherwise.

and got back "ill do what i want" in return. And the player i said you were wrong about was me i thought you were saying i wasn't playing cause i was typing maybe i miss understood

jaymc said that, but you were typing a lot more then you needed to, to the point where it just became more whiny then actual anything helpful.

point is zac was looking at bugs doing nothing but letting me get camped over and over and over and over until i didn't even want to play anymore.

Once again, obviously not as he was 1/2/10, hell, the Reksai was only 2/1/11 so he was literally only part of 2 more kills over Zac which means he was obviously doing something.

KittenpunchedDec 19, 20151 votes

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1/2/10 says otherwise.

jaymc said that, but you were typing a lot more then you needed to, to the point where it just became more whiny then actual anything helpful.

Once again, obviously not as he was 1/2/10, hell, the Reksai was only 2/1/11 so he was literally only part of 2 more kills over Zac which means he was obviously doing something.

he got all that contribution late he had like 2 assists at the 20 min margin i mean... early game is what im talking about laning phase he did absolute zero

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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again wrong cause in the game that i was banned i was top on score cs and all that and ganked the most i was playing the game so in the soccer game i would be as well you can play a league game and talk its not like its impossible and thats what happend. I am still playing am i being a role model league member no but doesn't change the fact that if the player looking at bugs wasn't there and the player kicking other players wasn't there nothing would ever even happen. Or if when asked nicely 4-15 times respond instead of doing the exact opposite

Oh no doubt, but now you're back to my point of the authorities in power saying its gonna be done a certain way. Riot has said its ok for players to troll you. Its ok for players to AFK. That stuff is fine, being negative in chat is the no no that earns bans. That's how it is. Is that right? No. Does this encourage a negative playing environment? Of course. Is that just the way it is and nothing you say or do will change it? Duh. I've bitched about the same things you are talking about for 5 straight years on the boards. Ask the others involved in this thread, lol. Really, I have bitched about it loud and often. Doesn't matter, its not the point. The point is you can control YOUR actions and nothing else, right? Same as in real life right? That's the choice Riot offers you, control YOUR actions and ignore the bs around you. is it still bullshit? Yep, always will be. That's the way this company operates, always has been always will be, it generates more profits for them to operate in the fashion they do. That's just the name of the game mate. Is it just? No. Fair? No. Is it how is? Yes. You either choose to deal, or you choose to leave. Like I said earlier, thems the breaks buddy. Such is life.

JamareeDec 19, 20152 votes

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Riot has said its ok for players to troll you. Its ok for players to AFK. That stuff is fine, being negative in chat is the no no that earns bans.

This, I don't agree with. While there are some steps can be done to mitigate the problems, I don't think Riot isn't doing anything, but some of these things aren't fully stoppable.

AFKs are going to happen. People who intentionally AFK, yeah, need to go, doing is over and over and over, should be banned more quickly then leavebuster is allowing, seriously, can leave like five games and only get a warning, no, that is bullshit, however, MOST people don't AFK often, most people only AFK once in a blue moon. While there are at times people who AFK because the client shits out, there are people who have to AFK because of irl, which I'm pretty sure we all have done, hell, my uncle broke the shower head and I had to leave mid game to help him fix it.

Trolling, once again, chronic abuser, should once again be perma banned, like people with pages worth of intentional feeding shouldn't be a thing, 3 to 4 games top and it should be an instant 2 week on the spot but once again, that isn't what happened. What happens is that one person has a bad game, something stupid like that and troll, maybe their team flamed them to death over mistakes made or something like that, but I have done the same and have left to AFK after my jungler blamed me for stupid mistakes that he made.

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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This, I don't agree with. While there are some steps can be done to mitigate the problems, I don't think Riot isn't doing anything, but some of these things aren't fully stoppable.

AFKs are going to happen. People who intentionally AFK, yeah, need to go, doing is over and over and over, should be banned more quickly then leavebuster is allowing, seriously, can leave like five games and only get a warning, no, that is bullshit, however, MOST people don't AFK often, most people only AFK once in a blue moon. While there are at times people who AFK because the client shits out, there are people who have to AFK because of irl, which I'm pretty sure we all have done, hell, my uncle broke the shower head and I had to leave mid game to help him fix it.

Trolling, once again, chronic abuser, should once again be perma banned, like people with pages worth of intentional feeding shouldn't be a thing, 3 to 4 games top and it should be an instant 2 week on the spot but once again, that isn't what happened. What happens is that one person has a bad game, something stupid like that and troll, maybe their team flamed them to death over mistakes made or something like that, but I have done the same and have left to AFK after my jungler blamed me for stupid mistakes that he made.

Its an exaggeration on my part to say that Riot finds those actions acceptable. Its more that they lack any sort of response to combat those problems and historically have done very little to FIND a way to combat them that is my issue. Precisely because of what I've always said, those types of actions, players who intentionally act in ways detrimental to the team or counter to the team's goals stir up trouble and that tends to lead to verbal toxicity. I've never been pleased with the way Riot chooses to address the symptoms of the disease instead of tackling the disease itself and that's where my issue with them comes from.

Riot just doesn't put forth a whole lot of effort to deal with those types of players and I think you would agree with this. They put forth some, but I've always felt its just barely enough to placate the cancer patient who still has a growing tumor. I mean, sure, the painkillers help out some... but I've still got this gigantic freaking tumor poppin out of my head Doc, can we, ya know, address THAT issue?

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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Its an exaggeration on my part to say that Riot finds those actions acceptable. Its more that they lack any sort of response to combat those problems and historically have done very little to FIND a way to combat them that is my issue. Precisely because of what I've always said, those types of actions, players who intentionally act in ways detrimental to the team or counter to the team's goals stir up trouble and that tends to lead to verbal toxicity. I've never been pleased with the way Riot chooses to address the symptoms of the disease instead of tackling the disease itself and that's where my issue with them comes from.

While I don't think all of the symptoms can be fixed, I do agree that there are things that they should be actively putting forth certain systems that wouldn't be abused to properly at least aid them. It is reasons like this I haven't bought RP for this game since last October, it is frankly pathetic that no some of these issues that can be fixed with a little bit of work or foresight can be handled quickly on top of some in game options that should be there that aren't for no reasons.

Intentional AFKers should be hit immediately and not after having ten pages worth of doing such and no, not some people who only do badly every once in a while, I mean people with mobi boots and are 0/XX/0 there isn't any excuse that people like that should be allowed to punish legit players.

There should be a replay system so said people who are generally troll often can be seen, caught, and stopped and the actual threat of a system to watch them would likely heavily deter a lot of people in general.

JamareeDec 19, 20153 votes

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idk man pretty sure hes right if he wasn't why do you see trolls almost every game?

Because you don't, match history alone can show that, and what you consider trolling is people having bad games. Look at your Kayle game, literally every person in that game did well except one, but let me guess, Lucian not playing perfectly is trolling,

Or your Jinx game, oh wait, let me guess, Illaoi was trolling because she wasn't a top tier Illaoi right for playing a new champion in a normal?

Or that 3/2 Kayle game, oh wait, the opponent's were likely trolling because they lost right?

they obviously do nothing about grief and such cause it seems to get worse and worse as the years go on they only care about what they can prove chat cause you cant argue it not only that they have even taken out what little the banned players had to defend themselves (the other players chat in the reform card) now it will always seem like its the banned players fault no matter what when in fact i was also being harassed those games as well. But that would make the perm ban seem a little extreme and they don't want that.

They do, but what you considered trolling and griefing isn't what Riot considers trolling and griefing and you are coming from a mindset of everyone is against me, so I'm not in the wrong, they are. There are going to be times were banned players truly are the innocent part, but in your case, not so much, you go out of your way to make sure your allies have a miserable time and act like they do nothing but hold you back even when they clearly aren't, you aren't the innocent one here.

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20151 votes

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While I don't think all of the symptoms can be fixed, I do agree that there are things that they should be actively putting forth certain systems that wouldn't be abused to properly at least aid them. It is reasons like this I haven't bought RP for this game since last October, it is frankly pathetic that no some of these issues that can be fixed with a little bit of work or foresight can be handled quickly on top of some in game options that should be there that aren't for no reasons.

Intentional AFKers should be hit immediately and not after having ten pages worth of doing such and no, not some people who only do badly every once in a while, I mean people with mobi boots and are 0/XX/0 there isn't any excuse that people like that should be allowed to punish legit players.

There should be a replay system so said people who are generally troll often can be seen, caught, and stopped and the actual threat of a system to watch them would likely heavily deter a lot of people in general.

I'll be honest, I've personally tested the intent feeder system that got implemented a few months back...

Thouroughly....

It doesn't work. At all. Like even in the slightest. Its worse than the AFK system.

Its been.... sheez... like 2 and a half years since I bought RP? Maybe more? I won't give Riot a dime until they fix the things I've been asking to have fixed for ages. Some of the fixes really would be very simple...

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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Its been.... sheez... like 2 and a half years since I bought RP? Maybe more? I won't give Riot a dime until they fix the things I've been asking to have fixed for ages. Some of the fixes really would be very simple...

Same, no replay system, bullshit as hell reason for no sand box mode, tiny little lies that I don't agree with, just can't support them as of right now, do hope thing change though.

JamareeDec 19, 20151 votes

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again man you are not right lol.. the players were trolling cause they were trolling and one of the main reasons this happens is cause i solo q A LOT and play with groups. and when u play with a 3 or a 4 man you get left in the dust and often treated like garbage and thats what the zac game was in particular tbh those players should be punished you should not ruin a game for the odd 1-2 players just cause they are not in your group and thats what it usually boils down to.

Well, I can see there is truly no hope for you, good luck in your later ventures.

JamareeDec 19, 20154 votes

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i mean ur saying stupid things is all you pretty much just said riot is ok with players purposly ruining games for people and doesnt think its bad so.. yea ill challange that statement

That isn't at all what I said, I said that you think you are the innocent party and think that everyone is against you and always trolling, when they really aren't. What you say is trolling is more then often people just having a bad game, or not doing what you think is best then going off on them for not following you and then as you whine about it, assume they are trolling when they don't feel like dealing with your whining anymore. You are both in the wrong here, him for insulting you and you for bitching at them, however they aren't ban because they don't do that every game or often enough to get banned whereas you do.

jaymc1130Dec 19, 20152 votes

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i mean ur saying stupid things is all you pretty much just said riot is ok with players purposly ruining games for people and doesnt think its bad so.. yea ill challange that statement

Relax bud! Jamaree is one stand up dude and he's never been one to lead people astray on the boards.

Various things suck about this game. That's just the way it is. You, personally, don't have the power to change those things, but you do have the power to change yourself and this is his point and mine also.

There's a lot of fucked up shit in the real world too. There's starving impoverished kids in all sorts of 3rd world countries that are oppressed by violent and ruthless leaders and I can do fuck all about it.

Blowing up over that issue is roughly the same as blowing up about what happens with this particular instance of what happened to you and your account. It won't accomplish a damn thing and the stress would eat me up. What I can do is change myself and how I fit into the system. If I'm less wasteful with my resources maybe some of them trickle on down to those poor kids. If you are less wasteful with your resources in game maybe it will trickle down to those that upset you.

In any case, you gotta be the change you want to see in the world before you start to see the change in the world around you.