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Does Riot Even Check Other's Behavior That Were In The Game?

GroovyTypeNinja··2 votes·1,675 views

Permanent ban for defending myself? Really smart Riot.

bad idea idk dont think so bad idea either way lol ff in 8 minutes im done ik thats whi i pinged what what do you want loll i did you died before anyone could do anything not my fault i never played or said i was idk where you got that idea i wasnt i was attacking annie after vayne Q'd and went invis and then you both died and tf killed me not my fault i stopped trying 3 of my deaths were cause you were mid and didnt wnna astay with me the next was gcause you were bot and didnt wanna cut off vayne you were dead either way annie was gonna gank you im not bitching you guys are im stating facts hahahaha retards it is your fault bard im not bitching at all you guys are hahahahha i could give a fuck about a norms youre so butthurt bard you were mid and then annie and vayne killed me cause you wanted to do whatever mid then you dont cut off vayne when she was an easy cut off you sit under turret and attack creeps also you use the xD face so pls dont talk to me hahahahahaha better than you like i said if you could read youd understand but youre too ignorant and just say the same thing over and over like an angry 12 year old gg wp

So I can't even tell my team what they did wrong and why I died and how they could've helped? Makes no sense. not just gonna sit there and have them flame me for THEIR faults. When they blame me for their deaths, do you want me to just sit there and say "You're right"?

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Deep Terror Nami9 votes

THE OTHER PLAYER IN THE GAME I WAS REPORTED FOR WAS WAY MORE TOXIC THAN ME. HOW COME I WAS PUNISHED? Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game. If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.

WHY IS VERBAL ABUSE PUNISHABLE IF THERE IS A MUTE BUTTON/LANGUAGE FILTER? Players shouldn't need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

So you want me to sit there and mute them? So no communication at all? They all reported me cause I had a bad game and then wanted to flame me for it. Literally reported cause i did bad, not even a legitimate behavior thing, unless you see something that's REALLY over the line in the chat logs. Defended myself by saying what they did wrong. I was wrong in my recent bans (chat restrictions, and day bans) but this? No.

Jorencice5 votes

Lol. I thought it was funny that you said I'm not not bitching twice....When...guess what you were bitching quite a bit.

Also let's see if I can point out the bad.

  1. You called your team retards.
  2. You quit 12 minutes in.
  3. You admitten that you have stopped playing.
  4. You called bard ignorant.
  5. You called bard illiterate.
  6. You said bard was worse than you.

All of that in a single short ass game. And if it's a perma it isnt your first offense so I'm guessing it's happened quite a bit more than thah.

PabloMaster543211 votes

Yeah, i agree, i try not to say anything all game except like objectives and summoners down or where a ward was placed.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Shoulda seen what they were saying lol. Explain how i was bitching please? All they did was blame me and i told them what went wrong. I didn't actually quit I was still trying, and I didn't admit to have stopped playing, I stopped trying during that play. Tf had stunned and Annie stunned and I had less 100 hp with vayne, annie, and Tf around me, while I'm MF with no Summs to escape, next to dragon, so I stood there for maybe less than a second, and then was killed by Vayne's AA. He was being ignorant and illiterate. I told him what he did wrong and all he kept saying was "0/6 xD" had no way to back up his argument. I said I was better than him after he said something along the lines of "YOU'RE BAD"

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

I'm still waiting for a response to my previous comment. Can you do that for me please?

Jorencice4 votes

Lol. Twos wrongs don't make a right.

It doesn't matter if they were the most toxic people in the universe.

YOU CONTROL what you type. Not them.

Therfore you typed some bad stuff and got punished.

Daen3 votes

{quoted}

So you want me to sit there and mute them? So no communication at all?

If that's the only alternative to you flaming them back, then yes. That's exactly what we want you to do.

not even a legitimate behavior thing,** unless you see something that's REALLY over the line in the chat logs. **

Let's take a look, shall we? Distilled chat log time:

ff in 8 minutes im done i stopped trying 3 of my deaths were cause you were mid and didnt wnna astay with me retards it is your fault bard im not bitching at all you guys are hahahahha i could give a fuck about a norms [which means you DO care] youre so butthurt you use the xD face so pls dont talk to me hahahahahaha better than you if you could read youd understand but youre too ignorant like an angry 12 year old

Not only did you specifically say that you stopped trying (akin to intentional feeding or AFKing, in terms of severity), you managed to call your team retards and continued insulting people. If nothing in here seems over the line to you, it doesn't particularly surprise me that you ended up at a permaban.

Defended myself by saying what they did wrong.

Retaliation and defense are not the same thing, especially when it comes to situations where there is no possible threat of physical violence. Defending yourself against verbal abuse means either removing yourself or the offending person from the situation, and fortunately there is one tool for each of those (muting and reporting, respectively).

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Muting doesn't help btw. Either way the toxic teammates are just going to report you and you'll get in trouble for it, no matter what you did.

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

You aren't going to get in trouble for doing nothing but muting them.

Refusal to Communicate was never a punishable offense, and has even been removed as an option. False reports are thrown out and harm the abusers report weight, even to the point that their reports do nothing. Riot and their system will not punish you for playing poorly either, unless you are intentionally throwing.

You weren't merely defending yourself here, you were blatantly insulting them. That will never help the situation, and will almost certainly exacerbate the problem.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Riot DEFINITELY didn't look into this situation at all. Just assumed from past behavior that I did something bad I bet. Or they would see how my own team was flaming me for dying too much. I've been reported plenty of time for muting. They just put it under offensive language and harassment. Muting really does nothing when your team is toxic and just reports you either way, and tells the other team to when your in post -game lobby. I know for a fact they didn't look into this at all because i was banned right after the game ended. Tell me, what's over the line in those chat logs? I have more from the same game when me and TF (on the other team) were joking with each other and laughing, and he took NO OFFENSE from them at all. Retaliated with a positive attitude and went along with the joke actually.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

If people don't report you then you won't get in trouble for your behavior. It doesn't look like a joke at all, and they reported you for it which is a pretty good indicator that they weren't having fun.

Muting really does nothing when your team is toxic and just reports you either way

False reports don't hurt you. If there's no toxic behavior in your chat (or even no chat at all) then a verbal abuse report does nothing to you.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

You didn't even see the chat logs before this, so tell me how you know please? False reports don't exist. Riot does not look into reports clearly 'cause I've been punished due to false reports and so have people I've known.

Tysheth5 votes

You've been punished for things you think shouldn't be punished. Your opinion is not in line with Riot's nor most of the community's. If you want to continue playing this game, it's in your best interest to stop seeing yourself as a victim and instead try to figure out why some people might not want to play with you. If you can't, ask for help. But raging at a working system isn't going to give you anything but frustration. edit: a word

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

So by pointing out what other people did wrong, after them raging at me for dying, calling me bad, and just pointing out my losing score, I'm the one who's wrong? Sounds terribly idiotic to me. Doesn't sound like a "working system" at all

Tysheth4 votes

You can't control other people. The other people's words have nothing to do with your ban. You were in control of your own actions, and you were banned for them. Stop thinking about and complaining about other people. Think about how you can help yourself.

GroovyTypeNinja2 votes

Tell me what's out of line in my chat logs posted please. Other than saying "retards" once.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

I'm still waiting for a response to my comment below

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

I mean I wasn't having fun when my team wanted to flame for dying too much. You keep saying that about false reports, but you're wrong, sorry bud.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

If you never retaliated to them, their report on you will be considered "false report", as there's no evidence of you doing it.

Apparently, in this situation, you invited yourself to get punished, so w/e

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Not true. I've been punished for false reports and so have people I've known. I highly doubt Riot looks into an reports as I was punished maybe a minute after the game was ended.

Twiggles4 votes

And I highly doubt those reports you and the people you know got punished for were false. Riot's system is a fair whack better than banned people tend to give it credit for.

im not bitching you guys are im stating facts hahahaha retards it is your fault bard

^Emphasis mine.

I'd have reported you at this point too. Also, Rioters are the ones that give out perma-bans. Only chat restrictions (and I think 14 day bans, but I'm not totally sure on that one) are fully automated. If you'd have ignored/muted them, you very well could have been reported. However, you would not have been punished as you wouldn't have actually done or said anything wrong.

And to answer your thread's initial question: No, Riot does not take the other player's chat into account when doling out punishments. This is because you are not being punished for their chat. you are being punished for yours. If you report them too, then their chat gets put through the same system. Only you, however, are responsible for what you type.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Reported for saying I'm not the one bitching, my whole team is bitching at me, for one insult, and point out that two of my deaths were actually Bard's fault for not helping me? I'd say you're a pretty sensitive person. I highly doubt Riot checks reports as I've been punished after game, for muting also. So by saying one insult, I've been perma banned? Logically then, my whole team should have been banned. And teams I've played with before that game, and teams I've played with before that game, and teams I've played with before those games. I mean, that is if we go by your logic. Probably Riot's logic too huh? Maybe Riot should start checking whole CONVERSATIONS, not just one person's chats. Right?

Twiggles3 votes

Reported for saying I'm not the one bitching, my whole team is bitching at me, for one insult, and point out that two of my deaths were actually Bard's fault for not helping me? I'd say you're a pretty sensitive person.

sigh

I emphasized (and then pointed out that emphasis) a specific part of the quote for a reason. There is never a reason to put that kind of thing (Calling your team retards. I don't care about the rest, as those were just the lines above and below.) in the chat, and all it does is open you up to punishments. You aren't defending yourself at that point, you are becoming an instigator.

I highly doubt Riot checks reports as I've been punished after game, for muting also.

Punished for muting? I highly doubt that. Punished for flaming and insulting and THEN muting? Or punished for going out of your way to tell them you're muting and reporting them? Much more likely. Not saying that's what you did, but it's what would have gotten you punished. Simply muting your team without being an ass about it is NOT punishable.

So by saying one insult, I've been perma banned?

If you're on the threshold of a perma-ban, then you have a history of punishments. Which means you have a history of negative behavior. You weren't banned for one insult. You were banned for continuing to insult people after numerous warnings and prior punishments.

Logically then, my whole team should have been banned. And teams I've played with before that game, and teams I've played with before that game, and teams I've played with before those games. I mean, that is if we go by your logic. Probably Riot's logic too huh?

You very obviously have no idea what my logic is if you think that's it. People who have a history of negative behavior are punished. You have a history of negative behavior, thus you are punished when you do it again.

Maybe Riot should start checking whole CONVERSATIONS, not just one person's chats. Right?

Wrong. I'll copy and paste another of my posts from this very thread to illustrate this point to you:

"If you and a co-worker get into a fistfight at work, you both get punished no matter who threw the first punch. This is because the behavior is simply unacceptable and the "He started it" argument stops working after kindergarten. The same logic applies here."

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

So again, perma ban for one insult? Incredibly idiotic. I don't care what you "highly doubt", it's happened before to me and others. When you mute people and then don't do well in that game, and then your toxic team reports you, and tells others on the other team to report, I'm sure Riot loses all their obligations to overlook the reports and just makes a punishment. I'm just following your logic, I bet some others were on threshholds of punishments and they didn't get anything after one insult. I bet the people on my team have had a history of punishments, but since i was the one majorly reported, I got in trouble for it. If the co-worker instigated it, and threw the first punch, then they are the instigator throughout the whole thing and the other person is the victim, defending themselves. Just like if you have a child, I'd hope you teach them that if someone hits them in the face to not stand there and cry about it. I'd hope you'd tell them to defend themselves. And I bet you'd be pissed off if your child got punished for defending themselves.

Twiggles1 votes

So again, perma ban for one insult? Incredibly idiotic.

Perma banned after continuing to insult people despite numerous warnings from Riot to stop insulting people. ^There. I fixed that sentence for you.

I don't care what you "highly doubt", it's happened before to me and others.

And I don't care what you claim. You have no proof of these supposed false bans or others people you know who were falsely banned. I can claim up and down that I'm an astrophysicist, but that doesn't make it true.

When you mute people and then don't do well in that game, and then your toxic team reports you, and tells others on the other team to report, I'm sure Riot loses all their obligations to overlook the reports and just makes a punishment.

Incorrect.

I'm just following your logic,

Oh my god, this is hilarious. No, you really aren't. Not even close.

I bet some others were on threshholds of punishments and they didn't get anything after one insult. I bet the people on my team have had a history of punishments,

This is something you cannot possibly know or prove. Making assumptions like this does not help your point. Quite the opposite, in fact.

but since i was the one majorly reported, I got in trouble for it.

It has been documented that Riot's punishment system goes by number of games reported in. NOT number of reports per game. You have no point here.

If the co-worker instigated it, and threw the first punch, then they are the instigator throughout the whole thing and the other person is the victim, defending themselves.

And they'd both be punished for fighting at work. What aren't you getting about this?

Just like if you have a child, I'd hope you teach them that if someone hits them in the face to not stand there and cry about it.

Of course I wouldn't tell them to just sit and cry. I'd tell them to bring it to a teacher/parent's attention. Someone who has the authority to DO something about it.

And I bet you'd be pissed off if your child got punished for defending themselves.

Actually, I'd be proud of my child for bringing the problem to the proper authorities. Because that's what he/she'd do. If they started throwing punches instead, they'd most certainly be grounded.

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

Dat Kindergarten burn doe.

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

tl;dr - OP blames everyone but himself for his ban and refuses to take responsibility for his own actions

[slayer-jinx-catface]

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

Yes, polite society wants you to sit there and mute them.

If you think that's weak, or unmanly, it's because you lack maturity. Being a jerk because "he started it" is extremely childish. You deserve your ban.

prozak821 votes

yeah ive been banned for raging at afkers before. riots logic is idiotic when banning people who defend themselves. thank god they aren't in charge of law making or youd go to prison for defending yourself against a criminal in self defense while the bad guy walks away unpunished.

Twiggles5 votes

If you and a co-worker get into a fistfight at work, you both get punished no matter who threw the first punch. This is because the behavior is simply unacceptable and the "He started it" argument stops working after kindergarten. The same logic applies here.

prozak822 votes

so I guess people are too stupid to realize that if you get rid of the instigators that there would be no issues? is that too much logic and common sense for people to fathom these days? and I'm sure the trolls didn't get punished it was just me.

Twiggles3 votes

Again, "But he started it." stops working after kindergarten. The instigator is removed for causing a negative situation, and the other party is removed for contributing to that negative situation.

As for you getting punished but trolls not, consider the following.

You have a history of punishments, but the troll you flamed might not. The only things that rapidly escalate into punishments are things like obvious and irrefutable intentional feeding and hate speech (racism, homophobia, etc.). There needs to be a history of reports to warrant a punishment under common circumstances. You likely had a history of reports, whereas the trolls you are complaining about did not. Riot is strict, but not overly draconian. They warn people first 99% of the time. The people who ignore those warnings are the ones who get punished.

prozak822 votes

no the instigator was not removed. so if I get 3 games in a row of first time afkers, the instigators do not get punished, but if I get pissed at these people ruining my games and wasting my time then I'm the one that gets punished? what a great and logical system.

Twiggles3 votes

That IS a good and logical system. You don't arrest someone for going 10-15 mph above the posted speed limit once. You give them a ticket/warning. If someone does the same thing that got them ticketed multiple times however, then they get their license suspended.

You act like Riot does things drastically more strictly than real life. Fact is, their system is very much LIKE real life.

prozak821 votes

i got my 2 week ban without any other chat restrictions or warnings after 2 years of playing this game without any issues. and no its not like real life. in real life people don't punish the victims. all you have to do is punish the instigators and the problem goes away. thats all there is to it. no need to make it any more complicated. punishing the victims too makes no sense whatsoever.

TrulyBland3 votes

{quoted}

i got my 2 week ban without any other chat restrictions or warnings after 2 years of playing this game without any issues. and no its not like real life. in real life people don't punish the victims. all you have to do is punish the instigators and the problem goes away. thats all there is to it. no need to make it any more complicated. punishing the victims too makes no sense whatsoever.

Yup. That's how it works in reallife. Never ever has anybody been punished for vigilantism. /sarcasm

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

So I have a criminal record for violence. Someone pulls a gun in a crowded mall. I pull my gun and kill him before he kills someone else. Instigator dead, but I get killed by the police for having a gun in my hand, defending myself and others. Make sense right?

TrulyBland2 votes

{quoted}

So I have a criminal record for violence. Someone pulls a gun in a crowded mall. I pull my gun and kill him before he kills someone else. Instigator dead, but I get killed by the police for having a gun in my hand, defending myself and others. Make sense right?

Inaccurate comparison. The mute button can take care of defending yourself and others in a safer, more effective and easier way; whereas verbal retaliation doesn't actually do anything to defend you or others. In fact, by antagonizing people like that, you're most of the time just making it worse. And that's just the inaccuracy of the defense-part... the punishment is inaccurate in its own way. Because I doubt that 10-game chat restriction, followed by a 25-game chat restriction, followed by a two-week ban, followed by a permanent ban can be equated to being killed for one single incident.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Not inaccurate at all. So, don't punish the person who gets muted, punish the person who has to do the muting, makes sense. Like I said before, muting does nothing, they still report you, and Riot does not look into reports, clearly. My behavior has been better since chat restrictions and 2 week ban. This is one of the few times I've gotten reported since 2 week ban, and frankly, I don't really see where I Was over the line. Could you please point it out to me? Other than the one message calling them retards. But by everyone's logic here, we just punish the victim for retaliating, not the people instigating the retaliation. This is what I've learned from most commenting on this thread.

TrulyBland2 votes

{quoted}

Not inaccurate at all. So, don't punish the person who gets muted, punish the person who has to do the muting, makes sense. Like I said before, muting does nothing, they still report you, and Riot does not look into reports, clearly. My behavior has been better since chat restrictions and 2 week ban. This is one of the few times I've gotten reported since 2 week ban, and frankly, I don't really see where I Was over the line. Could you please point it out to me? Other than the one message calling them retards. But by everyone's logic here, we just punish the victim for retaliating, not the people instigating the retaliation. This is what I've learned from most commenting on this thread.

You are so caught up in this view that one party is wrong and the other is right... I'll try it one more time:

They are punished for their behaviour. You are punished for your behaviour.

You had a lot of people already point out where you went wrong. You just either fail to see it or choose to ignore it. Just like here, you ignore the point of my post: Muting works. It does exactly what it's meant to do. And it's the reason why there is no need for fruitless retaliation.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Doesn't work, tried it before. How come none of them were punished then? Why was i punished so drastically for one insult? Should we all just remain victims and not focus on taking down the attackers?

Twiggles3 votes

Doesn't work, tried it before. How come none of them were punished then? Why was i punished so drastically for one insult?

YOU have a history of negative behavior. THEY most likely didn't.

I KNOW FOR A FACT that I have already explained this to you.

Should we all just remain victims and not focus on taking down the attackers?

You are the one trying to paint yourself as a victim here. We are just trying to show you where you went wrong. It isn't your job to 'take down' attackers. In fact, you literally can't here. That is Riot's job, and you becoming a problem yourself is the opposite of helping.

TrulyBland1 votes

{quoted}

Doesn't work, tried it before. How come none of them were punished then? Why was i punished so drastically for one insult? Should we all just remain victims and not focus on taking down the attackers?

What doesn't work? Mute makes it so you no longer have to be a victim. Mute makes it so you no longer have to read what they write. That, combined with reporting them, is the only acceptable and the only functional way of "taking down the attackers".

Also: maybe they were punished, but they only received chat restrictions because it was a first offense.

PlsTouchMeGently1 votes

^likening talking shit to killing someone^ [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Twiggles3 votes

I actually love that you used this as an example. Here's why.

In your example, you prevented someone from doing something.

In League, you can't actually prevent anything but his chat reaching you.

A much more apt example would be this:

Someone pulls a gun on you in a crowded mall. You take cover and begin firing at him in an attempt to stop him from killing you. However, you also happen to be firing through the same crowd that he is. When the police arrive, you are both arrested (chat restricted/temp banned) or potentially killed (permanently banned). You were both endangering the public with your little shootout, and so now the authorities are taking you both downtown. Regardless of your intentions, you still contributed to the problem. THAT is the part that matters.

GroovyTypeNinja1 votes

Here i shoulda said this

4 people are shooting at you in the middle of a empty street. You retaliate with gun fire, but when the cops show up and every drops their guns, you're the one arrested for retaliating

Twiggles4 votes

This is unrealistic and incorrect. You would all be arrested for discharging weapons in a public space. No matter what way you twist this example, it doesn't help you.

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