I have an idea. How about making received honors after a game count in as s-/s/s+ grade based on number of honors you get from your teammates (which are not in your friend list). So it will help to get a mastery level a little bit faster, because sometimes, be honest, the way grades are get is weird. I ask this because sometimes u can really carry the game and get 3 or 4 honors but riots system gives you a- grade. What do you think?
zPOOPz6 votesNo thank. I don't need to see people begging for honors excessively and distract everyone from the game. Mastery should be about...your mastery of the champion, not how good of a beggar you are.
Sinful Succubus2 votesMastery should be about...your mastery of the champion
too bad it's not. it just means "i've played a lot of games with this guy"
the 
with the highest mastery score (almost 10 mil) in the world is silver 4 currently with ~3000 heimer games this season
zPOOPz2 votesBut he is not talking about mastery score (although i can see how the title can be a bit misleading). He is talking about grade. You can (in theory) have 10m champion score and never reached mastery level 7 because you need several grade S or above for that. That's more based on skills rather than amount of games you play (although an argument can be made that the more you play, the more you may get "lucky" and get S grade, but that's beside the point). You need certain amount of skills to get S grade.
Sinful Succubus1 votesif you have friends at the bottom of the barrel in iron 4, ask them to show you their mastery 7 champions.
if their accounts are a few seasons strong there's more than a few. i 
-tee it!
zPOOPz2 votesYou are still missing the point of OP. He wants grade S to be more or less based on honors instead of actual skill.
Sinful Succubus1 voteswell seeing as we established already that it's no based on skill in the first place but on luck, i see no point for the entire argument. even if it was influenced by honor, it wouldn't change anything overall. it would still be a shit way to grade champion skill on someone
back in the day i had a friend who graded your significance on ammount of games played. even tho years have passed, we now have a name for that mentality: mastery level/score
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zPOOPz2 votesI feel like I'm being strawman-ed. I'm pretty sure I have been insistence that grade is based on skill. Sure, you spam enough games of something, you'll get luck. But that's not to say grade is based purely on luck.
I'm done with you as well.
Sinful Succubus1 votesI feel like I'm being strawman-ed. I'm pretty sure I have been insistence that grade is based on skill. Sure, you spam enough games of something, you'll get luck. But that's not to say grade is based purely on luck.
you're not being strawmanned. the problem is that you have an opinion on how mastery 7 is achieved and despite the fact that there are other ways to get it(luck), you are determined that your argument (skill) is the only one that can ever be valid and disregard arguments that claim otherwise.
[sg-ahri-3]
there was a word for people like you but i just can't seem to remember it...
[sg-lulu]
zPOOPz2 votes2 times I acknowledged that S can be obtained by luck. Where are you getting that I think skill is the only way??? Am I being trolled?
(although an argument can be made that the more you play, the more you may get "lucky" and get S grade, but that's beside the point)
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Sure, you spam enough games of something, you'll get luck.
Sinful Succubus1 votesyou mentioned it, sure but then went on to finish by going
But that's not to say grade is based purely on luck.
as if the luck part is just hapenstance and not generally valid
zPOOPz2 votesIs there a language barrier here?
If something is not based purely on luck. That just means luck is not the absolute 100% certainty of cause. It can be something else. It means luck is not the only choice. That is all that it means.
Sinful Succubus1 votesi didn't say it's based "purely on luck". just that luck is one of the variables used to get it. the only thing that varies is the %. but the luck is nevertheless present, just as much as the skill part is
zPOOPz2 votesand I've never used any absolute verbiage that skill is the only choice. hell, I even acknowledged that luck may be a variable TWICE. I'm not sure where you are getting that I think skill is the only thing that matter and I disregarded anything else when I openly acknowledged luck TWICE. I insisted on correcting you because you said
well seeing as we established already that it's no based on skill in the first place but on luck
You are the one who disregarded by point about skill in the first place and tried to put word in my mouth (read the bolded part). pretty sure that's called strawman.
you are determined that your argument (skill) is the only one that can ever be valid and disregard arguments that claim otherwise.
...
So what was that word you're trying to call me?
zPOOPz2 votesso....either I am a keyboard warrior or I accept being strawman'ed? There's no good choice is there?
Sinful Succubus1 votesi dind't strawman you tho. i only replied to each and every comment you made individually, the fact that you said something different in previous comments and backpeddled to that in your replies is a different matter from the "intelectually dishonest" department
[slayer-jinx-catface]
zPOOPz1 voteswell, this is going on long enough. I enjoyed our little argument with little jabs here and there and no one pulled any serious personally insults. been fun, but this thread is derailed long enough I the entertainment values I got out of this ran dry.
grades can be based on both skill and luck!
let's leave it at that
Sinful Succubus1 votesYou realise mastery level doesn't mean anything with respect to your skill on a champion, right?
An iron 4 0lp dude with negative winrate on champion x can still have m7 on him because of 3games here and there where things didnt go horribly wrong.
