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Cabbagery··0 votes·1,829 views

Game 1 Cabbagery: try not to feed Cabbagery: thanks Cabbagery: good leash pls Cabbagery: fucjked up runes Cabbagery: knees weak arms are heavy Cabbagery: theres vomit on his shirt already Cabbagery: moms spaghetii Cabbagery: ty Cabbagery: car for gank top Cabbagery: do you see how low i am Cabbagery: and their mid was on his way Cabbagery: � Cabbagery: I said care for gank Cabbagery: Thats all I did Cabbagery: Sorry you died, not me tho Cabbagery: you were pushed up Cabbagery: learn to take responsability for your fuck ups Cabbagery: is there any kill presure bot Cabbagery: or no Cabbagery: gg Cabbagery: lol afk till 20? Cabbagery: gg mate Cabbagery: Dude, Cabbagery: Look at the level on every one of their laners Cabbagery: And their gold this isn;t a 40m game anymore Cabbagery: these changes to the rift make it 20m gaurentee they have an inhib by then thanks to the feed Cabbagery: kk Cabbagery: 7-1 kindered Cabbagery: kk muting all Cabbagery: Gg Cabbagery: games my fault according to team Cabbagery: yeh dude the karma ganks Cabbagery: All my lanes lost within 2m Cabbagery: Lol sometimes I wish my mid didn't suck so bad that their tf literally won bot and top Cabbagery: before he got an auto on the tower Cabbagery: I unmuted to laugh at how stupid you are Cabbagery: shafted by a tf Cabbagery: have 1 less death? Cabbagery: 3 deaths feeding Cabbagery: op Cabbagery: useful mid Cabbagery: Level 10 with Cabbagery: 1 Cabbagery: item Cabbagery: 1 single item Cabbagery: and the wrong runes Cabbagery: I Cabbagery: dont Cabbagery: do Cabbagery: damage Cabbagery: why Cabbagery: dont Cabbagery: you Cabbagery: under Cabbagery: stand Cabbagery: that Cabbagery: I Cabbagery: dont Cabbagery: do Cabbagery: damage Cabbagery: the fact that kindered lived and they still got our inner Cabbagery: � Cabbagery: was piniing a ward malpg Cabbagery: 3v1'd by kindered Cabbagery: just ff no comming back Cabbagery: Like I said game was over at 3m Cabbagery: Gg

Game 2 Cabbagery: in the last qeue too bad drave sucks Cabbagery: you didn't do anything and you were taxing my lane Cabbagery: then you're pushing me towards a brands tower 0,0 Cabbagery: gg Cabbagery: the games going to be over 100% faster when you dont buy ward Cabbagery: s Cabbagery: and push like you've been Cabbagery: gg Cabbagery: im done Cabbagery: this lee so shit Cabbagery: he took blue from a tear varus Cabbagery: hes a troll Cabbagery: the died Cabbagery: then* Cabbagery: you're shit idk Cabbagery: who cares we lost you're useless as fuck you;ve only ganked and died Cabbagery: you did nothing produtive the entire first 10m Cabbagery: nice lee Cabbagery: no you're just so stupid, I can blame you Cabbagery: Gaurentee our supp blitz did more dmg to champions Cabbagery: than your stupid ass Cabbagery: nice lee Cabbagery: oops Cabbagery: id say so Cabbagery: nah Cabbagery: nice Cabbagery: how? Cabbagery: what did I do they're all fed Cabbagery: I hit my Cabbagery: Q Cabbagery: 11-31 Cabbagery: all lanes lost Cabbagery: jungle was 1/6 before he started stealing kills Cabbagery: nice Cabbagery: No end and its 36 to 15 Cabbagery: with a full dmg lee Cabbagery: same man Cabbagery: too good for us Cabbagery: I gaurentee I did more dmg to champs than this lee Cabbagery: so Cabbagery: nice Cabbagery: � Cabbagery: lol.

Game 3 Cabbagery: go Cabbagery: ttahm Cabbagery: gank the vayne Cabbagery: tahms stupid Cabbagery: gg Cabbagery: This tahm Cabbagery: Lets not gank the vayne Cabbagery: when I have 2 stuns and a slow Cabbagery: � Cabbagery: gg Cabbagery: tahm fuck Cabbagery: afk Cabbagery: yeah hes really bad Cabbagery: nah this tahms lack of knowldge lost us this game Cabbagery: hes like hey lets gank bot with rengar and lee Cabbagery: when I could gank the top vayne Cabbagery: � Cabbagery: nah dude this tahm lost it Cabbagery: just end Cabbagery: Going to eat dinner Cabbagery: gg Cabbagery: Report tahm for verbal abuse and if you can still find unskilled Cabbagery: go for it ganks the super dmg bot lane Cabbagery: and not the no cc vayne Cabbagery: who would have been raped if the tahm did anything top lane Cabbagery: that wasn't tower dive

I know I was acting like an ass hole. I don't have an excuse, my life has been easy to say just poor recently I wont make this a sob story, recently I was banned for 14 days for VERY justifiable reasons but this is harsh for calling someone useless, no it did not need to be said but I feel like all the money and time iv spent should earn me some credibility, this was the most recent bans iv had in more than a few years as least, maybe a chat restriction for this. what do you think?

Regardless I was being a jerk, I love this game too much to stop playing, I already made another :c I just want someone to talk to this hurts.

46 Comments

Tract5 votes

I'm sorry, the ban was absolutely deserved. You consistent remain highly tozic

Man In Sky3 votes

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I'm sorry, the ban was absolutely deserved. You consistent remain highly tozic

This.

GIVE THIS MAN A COOKIE

Cabbagery1 votes

Yeah but for owning the account for 4 ish years and only being banned 3 times I feel like a perma ban was too much. Obviously you dont feel the same way, but I appreciate how you put your input.

Also you don't see the team chat either and it was everything but positive in those games.

Manwalrus1 votes

It doesn't matter how long you've had you're account, if you're being an asshole, you being an asshole. It doesn't matter how high ranked you are, how good your KDAs are, how long you've played, or how much money you've spent on the game.

You also act as if being banned 3 times in 4 years is an achievement, it isn't you shouldn't be proud of that at all, tons of people (myself included) have had accounts for longer than that and have never been banned. You sound like Dunkey, Riot doesn't owe you anything just because you spent money on their game.

Cabbagery1 votes

Those weren't my points and im not proud at all so you didn't understand my point I was trying to get across.

Manwalrus1 votes

Yes I do, you feel that your toxicity wasn't toxic enough to be permabanned, and that since you've spent so much time and money on this game, you're so privileged and entitled to have it unbanned.

Cabbagery1 votes

Why do you act as if I sent someone death threats I called someone stupid, So that means I lose everything iv ever done on league, and as a paying customer is doesn't matter.

I don't have a personal vendetta on summoners, but the idea of purging people of their accounts for this which is toxic yes but minor at best. Being negative should not be a permanent ban under any circumstances for a video game. A much better system could be in place, especially not one that strips people of the money they used on it, its practically impossible to not get banned in league of legends if you get even the slightest bit emotional.

Where exactly did I write down that I deserve to "so privileged and entitled" thats not the words I would use for an account on a video game.

You're practically saying you acted like a jerk 15 days our of the 1000+ that you've had it therefore you deserve to never touch that account again, that system is just downright un fair, not to mention theres no reset on bans so someone could (Like in my case) be banned once this year then have a 2 minor offense games that should have called for a chat restriction and then 1 major I.E game 3 and everything I purchased from this company doesn't exist. Where is there any reform in that, where is there any love or respect in that for being a loyal customer, My Offenses were possible the most minor they could have been except when you could report people for being Unskilled.

Literally said GG and called the lee stupid for being a jerk the entire game, how is the one the got me permanently banned the guy even ADDED me after the game, rito can prob. prove that and I have his summoner name.

The reason I want it revised is because the last first 2 offenses might have an actual appeal here, if you really are reading the comments Iv made on behalf of my account they're not stupid, they're genuine arguments, this is not like other summoners who most likely got banned consistently, I however was not, this is 2 recent events that caused a permanent ban, That actually makes no sense, I don't think the system should take in account bans over 7-8 months if thats too short maybe bans that were from a year ago because behavior obviously changed if the player wasn't banned in a year. unless they were major, like death threats, DDos, Elo boosting etc. There are much worse things that have been said on the rift and not punished. Im sure others have been called worse, and im banned for saying he was "Stupid" likes downright ludicrous.

Manwalrus1 votes

I don't act as If you sent anyone any death threats, I'm acting as if you're toxic, which you are and have been, both recently and in the past according to some of your other comments. You and Riot have very different views on what you view as toxic, unfortunately what you think it means doesn't mean anything. You imply that because you have spent so much time and money on the game Riot owes you something, and you imply it many times.

You're practically saying you acted like a jerk 15 days our of the 1000+ that you've had it therefore you deserve to never touch that account again, that system is just downright un fair, not to mention theres no reset on bans so someone could (Like in my case) be banned once this year then have a 2 minor offense games that should have called for a chat restriction and then 1 major I.E game

First of all I didn't, I've never been banned or warned or anything, because I possess a thing called common sense which tells me that flaming people isn't worth the trouble. Anyhow, you deserve to never touch that account again because you've ignored their warnings multiple times, It doesn't matter how loyal a customer you are if you violate their rules. Your offenses were not as minor as you think apparently, and you were repeatedly banned for it, so you should have thought "Hey, I've been banned for this several times maybe I should stop fucking doing it"

its practically impossible to not get banned in league of legends if you get even the slightest bit emotional.

First of all bullshit. Second of all if it were impossible to play league without getting banned if you weren't emotional, then that would make the 95% of league players that have never been banned are completely emotionless and they do not care about the game at all

That's right, as of the last time statistics were released only 5% of league players have received a ban, it almost never happens, you're in the 5% of toxic players, that's why you're getting downvoted so much, that's why no one thinks you have any credibility, that's why everyone thinks you deserve it.

You didn't literally say gg you figuratively said gg, and once again you ignore the chat logs from the other games.

If you were able to appeal your first two offenses then why didn't you? You've missed your opportunity. You were banned consistently, you were banned a total of 3 times recently, that is consistent. Your argument is "oooonoooo, Rito owes me another chance even though I've fucked up all the other ones, I was toxic, but not REALLY toxic, it doesn't matter that I won't learn my lesson no matter what, RITO I WANT AN OOMPA-LOOMPA NOW!" You're qqing about your ban, there's no genuine argument there.

Where is there any reform in that

There's no reform in a permaban. That's the point, you already blew your chances of reform time and time again. It's too late.

You realize that toxicity is just as bannable as DDOSing? If you look that the code of conduct says

While using the Software and playing the Game, you agree to comply with all applicable laws, rules and regulations. You also agree to comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Game (the “Code of Conduct”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and Riot Games reserves the right to modify this Code of Conduct at any time, as well as take any appropriate disciplinary measures including Account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Game, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed here as prohibited.

This is the third thing listed "C. Harassing, stalking, or threatening any other users in the Game;"

Based on the chat logs you provided, you've constantly harassed your teammates, and while maybe not all that bad in 1 or 2 games, you need to do it often in order to be banned. So you've consistently violated the terms of use/EULA that you accept every time you patch the game, without getting a clue as to what to do to not get banned. What's really ludicrous here is that you won't get a clue that your opinions on your ban are totally false.

Cabbagery1 votes

I also don't understand why there can't be a second chance for a customer to get a second chance after playing sense season 2.

Again no one should be mean but in all honesty were all guilty of it at one point or another.

After a player has proven to improve his attitude I see no reason as to why if given the second chance after getting idk another account to level 30 with no reports and a certain rank.

But after they've gone through the process and the player showed improvements it would be just as easy to un ban his/her account and let bigons be bigons

Of course the story will change varying on the circumstances, If it were "You" in my situation.

Spent literally over 100+ days in play time, and spent a vary large sum of money consistently and because a little bad behavior very recently (been in pain with my wisdom teeth out and they had to take out extra bone in my jaw) Playing games is my outlet to enjoy the best of a bad situation, No I wasn't the model summoner this week but I know I have been and focusing on the few bad deeds that were done and not the entire whole is unfair and the reports from 2 of the "Offensive" or "Toxic" games above I'm positive it was just one person.

If that is the case then everyone gets banned at some point, after 4 years I was matched up with people who raged and were extremely toxic, and in this current state I really wasn't in the mood to be yelled at, and yes RIOT did put in a MUTE button. I don't understand why "Toxic chat behavior" is a pema bannable offense automatically, I feel there should be a more in depth look, Yes in game 3 me calling the tahm kench that was not appropriate and was 100% a reportable offense on me, Id like to clarify again that I am not justifying my actions they were wrong and I should have just ignored them. But its not like I go out of my way to have a bad day and attempt to ruin everyone elses time.

I don't want to make this a sob story but as a 17 year old kid, screw ups are bound to happen and this is when people make mistakes, which I did I made a mistake. It takes a lot of will power to be called names over a video game and not retaliate. Which each of these offenses I had were retaliations of another toxic behavior added to mine ended up in losses and losing is never fun especially when you have someone breathing down your neck viciously typing very rude things. As a male I saw it as doing what gamers do just talking trash.

Its not like a threatened a life or DDOSed someone, or elo boosted, or went afk multiple times in ranked or purposely fed certain lanes. I finished all my games out, regardless of who was relentlessly bombarding me with their angry thoughts and in that situation if I wasn't human and didn't work off emotions I would have muted him but we are emotional animals at heart with instinct, even with consciousness its hard to fight off thoughts of angry and sadness and the competitive nature we have.

All I ask is that you look into your own mind before slapping down a "you deserved it" sticker on my forehead and walking away because if I was anyone else, your friend, you, your girlfriend. I'm sure iv been a nicer summoner more so than iv been a negative user, how else would I have made it through so many years.

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

You knew you were acting like an asshole, so there's no need to even make a thread like this. You wanted a 2nd chance? Sure! It's called 14 days suspension, but oh wait, you already had it.

PDE5 Inhibitors3 votes

They go 10 game chat restriction, 25 game chat restriction, 14 day ban, permaban for all offenses. It doesn't matter if your first offense is worse than your 4th (except in extreme cases), you will still follow this order of punishment. Do I agree with it? Nope. But it is what it is. You so much as ask a teammate not to chase the enemy tank into the unwarded jungle and they report you following a 14 day ban and you can expect a permban coming :)

Basically, you should have just muted everyone after your 14 day ban. That's what rito wants. I'm sure they will just take out chat soon.

Cabbagery1 votes

Yeah, I screwed up big time, I'm really hoping down the line they can give me another shot.

PDE5 Inhibitors6 votes

They will not. They have given you 3 warnings before this (plus any that you have received before the new punishment system went into place). You will just have to make another account if you want to keep playing.

Cabbagery1 votes

I know, I'm holding onto hope here, maybe they can throw me a bone like the others after seeing my attitude improve

They've done it before, I think with a healthy mindset they can see it in their hearts, its not like im off the rift, I still play and will continue too just not using the account I grew for 4 years which is depressing.

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

I have not seen any "others" get thrown a bone.

Make a smurf and be toxic to all the new players just like everyone else that is permabanned does, since this system clearly doesn't work.

Zielmann5 votes

I only recall 2 overturned permabans in the 6 years I've been around the game. And those were both extremely unusual circumstances. Unfortunately for you, yours is not. You can be as sorry and regretful as you want, but that doesn't merit an account being returned. You had several warnings and still didn't correct your behavior. You worked yourself up to where your next punishment was a permaban, and you got punished again. It would be unfair to everybody else who has ever had a justified permaban for them to choose you to get your account back.

It's unfortunate you had to learn the hard way.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

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I only recall 2 overturned permabans in the 6 years I've been around the game. And those were both extremely unusual circumstances. Unfortunately for you, yours is not. You can be as sorry and regretful as you want, but that doesn't merit an account being returned. You had several warnings and still didn't correct your behavior. You worked yourself up to where your next punishment was a permaban, and you got punished again. It would be unfair to everybody else who has ever had a justified permaban for them to choose you to get your account back.

It's unfortunate you had to learn the hard way.

There's a recent one overturned due to the fact the system tagged his account with two 14-day bans simultaneously which triggered an instant perma ban. He opened a support ticket and Riot fixed the error. Think he still got the 14 day though.

Zielmann1 votes

That was never intended to be a permaban. Mistake by the system notched him up two punishment tiers instead of one, so he rightfully should have been receiving a 14-day ban (and did).

I'm talking about 2 instances in 6 years where permabans were reversed because of very unique circumstances in which a punishment wasn't really merited.

Either way, they have never reversed a permaban from somebody who had worked up to permaban level and deserved to be punished. There is no 'last chance'. (Well, there sorta is, it's called your 14-day ban).

JARmates2 votes

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That was never intended to be a permaban. Mistake by the system notched him up two punishment tiers instead of one, so he rightfully should have been receiving a 14-day ban (and did).

I'm talking about 2 instances in 6 years where permabans were reversed because of very unique circumstances in which a punishment wasn't really merited.

Either way, they have never reversed a permaban from somebody who had worked up to permaban level and deserved to be punished. There is no 'last chance'. (Well, there sorta is, it's called your 14-day ban).

I'm stlll having trouble understanding how someone can even reach that point. I been playing since season 1 op, and never once got a single warning. My teammates love me cause I save their life multiple times - Shen main.

Cabbagery

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I only recall 2 overturned permabans in the 6 years I've been around the game. And those were both extremely unusual circumstances. Unfortunately for you, yours is not. You can be as sorry and regretful as you want, but that doesn't merit an account being returned. You had several warnings and still didn't correct your behavior. You worked yourself up to where your next punishment was a permaban, and you got punished again. It would be unfair to everybody else who has ever had a justified permaban for them to choose you to get your account back.

It's unfortunate you had to learn the hard way.

How was IWILLDOMINATE an unusual circumstance he admired to using DDos attacks and was a super negative summoner, it's a video game company they should care about every customer and again this perms ban was because my account. Revived a certain amount of bans how is that a system that means any account could go into a game not say a word and have a group of 3 people just randomly report someone because they fed and say verbal abuse and if one of the tribunal summoner was having a bad day and decided to for any reason just to shuffle it along. This is a game, there shouldn't be limit to bans but a guideline I was recently banned once and then turned j to a permanent ban after fixing my behavior before the perma ban and without warning for quite some time because I wasn't level 30 or was a very new level 30 and I get reported 4 times after a 14 day ban literally had to have been 2 ish years or so later I'm banned once more and then everything I did gets lost?

I get it some people are keyboard crusaders but I didn't make death threats or DDos or Eli boost which should be more of a problem rather than angry chat behavior .

Why wouldn't such a big company want to improve their "toxic" community there will be no shortage of angry gamers who just lost a game.

When I was perms banned it said I was the .006 % to be permantly banned, that's not a very large amount and a lot of people know the system needs revising my situation is unusual I had 2 recent bans as in bans within 1 month the 14 day and then perma, prior to that iv been a consistent player with good behavior sense this account began in he middle of season one or 2 whenever volibears Spotlight was on the front of the old launcher, where is the fairness in that, and then to be reported by 4-5 summoners for 1 major offense ( with the tahm ketch) and permanent all the things I did are worth nothing, I am a paying and consitant player with a small attitude problem on occasion. We're all kids on here we play games and I play them a lot more than just a few of the people on na I'm pretty sure this account is within the top 20000 in America for play time, iv been around for a good amount of time please don't just dismiss me as the usual toxic player this is not how I feel and more importantly it's not a reflection of my account in fair eyes the recent bans regardless could be served and not allowing my account to be unbanned would be unfortunate, iv made another account of riot could throw me a life line and get it to a certain rank with no reports for a decent amount of time or rank.

Other than that I won't be on the rift, I see no point in trying to become the best after all I worked hard for in the past 4-5 years is destroyed by minor toxic chat and a deserved 14 day ban, I think a chat restriction for 28 to 14 games would have been a better and more fair course of action getting the idea that I did not need to be typing at all across and allowing me to play the game iv devoted so much time and money too.

Please I don't need sympathy just hoping a rioter will talk to me about my issue and just to hold me and tell me it's going to be okay :(

Zielmann3 votes

IWD as a person was banned from competitive league for 1 year, and all of his currenlty-existing accounts were permabanned. Just like you, if he wanted to keep playing through this time, he would have needed to make a brand new account and level it. They didn't give him back those permabanned accounts.

And I'm sorry, but you were toxic and didn't change. You basically admit to this yourself. You don't deserve any special treatment just because of time and/or money spent on the game. You don't follow the rules, you leave. That's it. You worked up through three tiers of punishments, didn't heed the warning, got punished again, which at that point it becomes a permaban. If you cared about fixing your behavior, you'd have done it before you got to this point. Most people do. Most people correct themselves after their first chat restriction and don't wind up back in the system again.

On top of that, the system is built such that if you can go 3 months without a punishment, your account status will drop one tier. So had you managed to last 3 months between the 14-day ban and the next ban, you would have actually just been serving a 14-day ban again.

You're not a special case. You don't deserve another final-chance. You already had that and blew it. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. It is incredibly easy to play this game and never get caught up by these systems. It really is. I've done it for over 6 years now, myself. What's the key? Simple: don't be a jerk. That's it.

Cabbagery1 votes

But this punishment shouldn't have gone through as you can read in game 1, how did I get that marked up as bad enough behavior for the report to go through, The worst word that was typed was "stupid".

Zielmann2 votes

Game 1: Extremely negative in chat and would be super annoying to play with. I'd have muted you pretty early, and may have reported you after that game.

Game 2: Harassing Lee all game for one mistake he made early on. Cause I'm sure you've never made a mistake in-game before. Would probably have muted you in game and reported after for harassing Lee.

Game 3: More of game 2, though not as long a chat log. I'm guessing probably because the rest of the team wasn't responding much to you (they probably muted you). But with what chat there is, most of it is harassing Tahm. I may not have muted this one cause you didn't carry on constantly. But would have reported after for harassing Tahm.

Your case was definitely worth a punishment. And because you'd climbed through the tiers to where your next punishment would be a permaban, I cannot disagree with the permaban. You've shown that you're consistently a negative force in the game and are prone to harassing others. And after all your warnings you continued to do so.

Cabbagery1 votes

Game was was surly negative perfect feature of a mute button whats so wrong with just being negative in general its no ruining anyone time, and im just trying to communicate.

Being negative brings our ideas to improve the game.

Game 2 chat logs will show Lee was harassing me just as much if not more.

Game 3 The kench didn't deserve the way I had treated him no, that was a reportable offense but it would take more than 1 to get a perma ban going off fairness.

Im just giving my opinions

Not everyone is lovey dovey and needs to be nurtured like a child, and its not like solo queue is professional at all. Why does my video game account get taken away and not the entire game, why have others gotten special treatment and who is someone to tell me I can't improve my attitude which I have done in the past.

Why can't someone earn a second chance after a perma ban after others were offered and suceeded. Thats a harsh punishment thats a couple hundred dollars in punishment if not a thousand dollars in punishment, as well as the time I spent playing, Time is money, putting that into perspective of money, with 100+ days of play time equaling around 2,400 hours of play time, thats quite a lot. Imagin if this was lets say paid for at minimum wage, Totaling that to be 204,000 dollars worth of wages. And taken away because he retaliated to another negative force as a human being I apologize for getting angry and having another emotion other than resentment towards people who have made mistakes, I forgive and try to change thats the way we are suppose to be. Wheres the love man.

Zielmann2 votes

Game was was surly negative perfect feature of a mute button whats so wrong with just being negative in general its no ruining anyone time, and im just trying to communicate.

Being negative just brings everybody down. It seriously doesn't help anything at all in the game. You can provide suggestions for how to improve the team's position in a positive manner.

I do agree with you though, that Game 1 is certainly borderline.

Game 2 chat logs will show Lee was harassing me just as much if not more.

Point being? "He started it" isn't an excuse in league, and stooping to the other player's level helps absolutely nothing. In fact, you're just adding to the negative experience for the rest of your allies. Retaliation is not okay in league. If people start harassing you, mute them rather than responding, and then report them for harassment after the game. Suddenly, they're the ones on the boards complaining about a ban, and you still have your account.

Game 3 The kench didn't deserve the way I had treated him no, that was a reportable offense but it would take more than 1 to get a perma ban going off fairness.

These are just samples of logs from your games that caused the ban. There were more out there that contributed to the ban, they just don't have room to show every last log in your case. You have one game of consistent negativity and two games of harassment in what was provided, though. By itself, the negativity may not be that huge a deal, but paired with the harassment as well, you're just not a pleasant person to play with.

The punishment by the system was completely justified.

Manwalrus1 votes

after seeing my attitude improved

After reading these comments you won't need to worry about that because that day is a looooooong way off.

Cabbagery1 votes

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They will not. They have given you 3 warnings before this (plus any that you have received before the new punishment system went into place). You will just have to make another account if you want to keep playing.

js read the game 1 again above I said "Take response ability for your fuckups" that was the only thing I can regard as semi toxic, its not even bad, thats a real statement and not directed in a mean way, the other thing I was "how stupid you are" thats not nice but is that really Perma ban toxic?

Do I really deserve to lose everything iv done over the course YEARS to lose everything to that?

Manwalrus2 votes

Saying 'gg' multiple times before the game actually ends, as well as being very passive aggressive is considered toxic. Not to mention the other two games that had similar phrases in them, even if the individual things you said throughout the game weren't INCREDIBLY toxic, it all compounds along with the passive aggressiveness.

Pantheon Forever2 votes

I just use Pantheon "quotes" for 99% of my communication, 1000 games in a row without any problems (despite being told I am reported every single game).

/all "They are privileged to die at my feet!"

/all "Their fate is sealed."

/all "They will not enjoy this."

/all "They disgrace the art of war."

/all "With pleasure."

/all "Consider it done."

/all "Without pause."

/all "With pride."

/all "Let us press on."

/all "Immediately."

/all "Do not provoke me."

/all "My spear is restless."

/all "Honor compels me!"

/all "Onward!"

/all "They will know war."

/all "I know my path."

/all "Getting kicked into a well is the least of your worries!"

/all "My profession?! You know, now that I think of it, I've always wanted to be a baker."

/all "Yes, a baker."

/all "Drop dead."

Once in a while every other game perhaps if someone does something truly amazing (like save my life in a team fight) I throw out a generic gj or at end of game a quick gg.

(pinging > typing) If you want an objective ping assist me, if someones walking into an unwarded jungle ping danger, if they do not respond ping a few times in rapid succession, if that doesn't work focus and yourself and hit up the report options after (or just brush it off).

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2033574321/35442170?tab=overview

This game was rough but i minded the advice I gave you and managed a win. (proof of concept)

P.S. I don't mind anything you displayed in logs but remember tribunal is run by "PC Principle" (Southpark) and any micro-aggression can get your account taken away so you have to adjust what you say or how you say it.

Cabbagery1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pantheon Middle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fUcH4iQR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-10T12:35:21.108+0000)

I just use Pantheon "quotes" for 99% of my communication, 1000 games in a row without any problems (despite being told I am reported every single game).

/all "They are privileged to die at my feet!"

/all "Their fate is sealed."

/all "They will not enjoy this."

/all "They disgrace the art of war."

/all "With pleasure."

/all "Consider it done."

/all "Without pause."

/all "With pride."

/all "Let us press on."

/all "Immediately."

/all "Do not provoke me."

/all "My spear is restless."

/all "Honor compels me!"

/all "Onward!"

/all "They will know war."

/all "I know my path."

/all "Getting kicked into a well is the least of your worries!"

/all "My profession?! You know, now that I think of it, I've always wanted to be a baker."

/all "Yes, a baker."

/all "Drop dead."

Once in a while every other game perhaps if someone does something truly amazing (like save my life in a team fight) I throw out a generic gj or at end of game a quick gg.

(pinging > typing) If you want an objective ping assist me, if someones walking into an unwarded jungle ping danger, if they do not respond ping a few times in rapid succession, if that doesn't work focus and yourself and hit up the report options after (or just brush it off).

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2033574321/35442170?tab=overview

This game was rough but i minded the advice I gave you and managed a win. (proof of concept)

P.S. I don't mind anything you displayed in logs but remember tribunal is run by "PC Principle" (Southpark) and any micro-aggression can get your account taken away so you have to adjust what you say or how you say it.

Thanks for the advice! I will be using it if I return the the rift! Or I might just buy a keyboard with QWER DF because it seems to me in the game typing communication no matter how it was meant to come across will always differ on the reader.

BadmoonBC2 votes

Dude you deserve the ban. Just stop talking in games it's not that hard. All your doing is annoying others, no one is "taking your advice" or "listening" your your ridiculous talking.

People like you need to learn the minute you really shut up and play is the moment you will start doing much better

And dude no offense but you been playing for four years and your still talking shit/blaming others? Yea man find another game this one has obviously sucked the soul out of you

Cabbagery1 votes

Im sorry but I think this one sucked the humanity out of you if you think mistakes arn't made and if are made they should just be punished harder instead of action taken to reform or attempt to see if they've changed and awarding them rather than just practically taking money.

BadmoonBC2 votes

You said yourself this isn't your first warning, or second, or third.... So I think you reforming was now out of the question don't you?

Cabbagery1 votes

It was the second ban iv received in years though man, Shouldn't there be a reset rather than a set number of how many bans are aloud and after that limit they just take the account away?

That seems harsher than any method out there for MOBAs.

Cabbagery1 votes

Keep in mind game 1-2 people were toxic to me for a good 15m before I said a word to them

ModPrandine2 votes

{quoted}

Keep in mind game 1-2 people were toxic to me for a good 15m before I said a word to them

The poor behavior of others doesn't excuse the poor behavior of yours. When you retaliate negatively back you force the rest of your teammates to deal with an additional rager than there was before-hand.

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

It kind of does....but there's a mute button anyway, so I'm not sure why OP feels the need to bring this up.

ModPrandine

[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fUcH4iQR,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-11T14:27:18.977+0000)

It kind of does....but there's a mute button anyway, so I'm not sure why OP feels the need to bring this up.

Again, no it doesn't. The mute button is meant to be used as a last resort when someone else is being a jerk and as such just because a mute button exists doesn't mean one gets to be a jerk because of it (i.e. a mute button does not equal a get out of jail/trouble free card). From the Tribunal FAQ:

That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? I'll keep this one simple: those other players in your game that you thought were worse are probably also banned. Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on.

We strongly believe that it is not OK to retaliate. If a player refuses to cooperate and says something negative, then players should ignore the player and report them after the game. Players can ignore or mute players by pressing the “Mute” button on the Scoreboard [when you hit TAB] in the game.

If a player retaliates and says something bad back, then the two of you have made a negative experience for potentially the other 8 players in the game. Rarely do teams start working together better when players begin fighting back—great games only happen when players cooperate and don’t make the issues even worse by fighting back and forth.

What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language? We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, fing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "fing *****" or "ngger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

“People who report are simply being oversensitive. The mute button exists for a reason.”

Let’s start with the Riot quote on this (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=30696571#post30696571)): Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player. Simply put, Riot says no. You can scream and cry all you want, but it is their house and their rules.

With that out of the way, I think the topic deserves some further discussion. The theory is that, if people resolved to care less, then they would be happier. I often refer to this as “Argument from Stoicism” and I think it is a fairly weak philosophy because it places the burden on the person being expected to endure the behavior rather than the person exhibiting the behavior. “You should be able to handle it” is just a flimsy excuse for being a bully or a jerk. I have to be the bigger man so that you can do whatever you want? That hardly seems fair.

There is also the issue of how I spend my limited free time. Like most people, I am constantly required to make value judgments between the different forms of entertainment that are available to me and, let's be honest, we live in an age of nearly limitless entertainment options. If I'm having a bad day in League, I can just fire up Steam and play a whole bunch of games that don't require me to put up with someone's BS.

This is not an issue of weakness or thin-skin; it's a question of choosing activities that don't leave me feeling frustrated and angry. Too many of those experiences and I'll just find something else to do. Riot knows this.

EDITED 18 JULY 2014

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Cool. I'm just saying that if someone is being a moron, I'm going to call them a business major. I also think you completely misunderstood my entire mute button comment. Not sure how.

Cabbagery1 votes

This^ Is a good argument to keep me at perma banned GG.

Just wish I had a chance to prove reform than to just lose it all because I was an ass hole. I truly believe I can change, Im still young theres nothing about a young dog not being able to learn new tricks.

Pantheon Forever1 votes

Riot tribunal it a nut shell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXF8MIG_HQI

Manwalrus1 votes

The tribunal doesn't exist anymore...

Cabbagery1 votes

OMG I just realized somthing that I can prove that might make a few have a change of heart,

Okay, In my league games throughout all of them in the past I can prove that While YES it is true I can come off as a very negative player. That's my mindset to be honest, I'm a pessimist it makes me player better it makes me want to win more, in addition to making me more competitive and emotionally connected into the game and more importantly winning, While I do know deep down I suck at league but with that in my heart in makes me really want to be the best and thats also why I play ranked games 1000 times more than I play norms now a day!

You can check chat logs in prior games and you will see I say it a lot in game im not sure why but when I do it helps alleviate the pressure in my head to just vent to my team. Maybe see if one of them will possible take a leader ship role other times im just told to shut up :/

Manwalrus2 votes

You can check chat logs in prior games

No we can't.

ModPrandine

These passages from Ulanopo's Knowledge Base should help address some of your most recent comments here in this thread:

“Is there any way to remove my permaban?”

Keep in mind that we don’t have the power to remove your ban. Only Riot has that ability.

BANS THAT CANNOT BE LIFTED

  • Behavioral
  • Tampering with the game client
  • DDOS
  • Real-life harassment, threats or stalking
  • Elo boosting

BANS THAT MIGHT BE LIFTED

  • Inappropriate name
  • Payment problems

I only want a response from Riot.”

Then you should use the support button on the upper right. This forum is for volunteers to explain why you were punished and give advice as to how you can avoid further bans, so our commentary is actually expected.

“I don’t think that what I did in this case merits the punishment I received.”

Your punishment isn’t determined by your behavior in the case. It’s determined by your demonstration that you’re not interested in changing your behavior. It’s called the “punishment volcano” – the more often and more frequently you are punished, the more likely you are to get permanent account closure.

Further, Riot makes that determination, not the Tribunal. We only vote on whether or not punishable behavior is present in the case – we don’t vote on how much of it there is or what should be done about it. For punishments prior to permaban, the decision may or may not be automated. It’s worth noting that Riot thinks that the system assigns the wrong punishment in only about 0.5% of cases, meaning that the algorithm is very accurate. They have said that some lengthy bans and all permanent bans are manually reviewed.

**“I deserve an opportunity to appeal.” ** Everyone has the opportunity to appeal their ban. Just click the support link on the upper right and make your case.

This forum is NOT for appeals. It is an opportunity for volunteers to explain why you were punished and give advice as to how you can avoid further bans. ** “They only showed you (2-5) cases. They didn’t show you all the games where I wasn’t toxic.”**

We get this one a lot, so don’t be surprised if you get some pretty snippy replies. I like to explain it thus:

If I come over to your house once a month and take a screaming dump in your cereal bowl, are you going to give me a pass because I only ruined 3% of your breakfasts?

Of course not. We’re not going to give you a pass because the other people in your matches don’t care that you’re not ruining games that they will never see. They care that you’re ruining their match – hence the report.

Keep in mind that the average player is reported in approximately 5% of their matches. It takes being reported in 15-25% of your matches to trigger a Tribunal case. This means that there are many games where you were probably toxic, but they only show a limited number. They do this to help limit bias against you. In the olden days, we would see cases with 10-12 matches. Believe me, it was an effort to remain objective when you saw that many reports. ** “I was only toxic in N games. I didn’t do anything wrong in the other matches.”**

Jurors are instructed to vote punish if they find any punishable behavior or if you meet the more nebulous and subjective standard of “I would not want to play with this person.” The moment that you admit that you were toxic, you’re done. Learn from what you did and move on.

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