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CONFUSED - Unjustifiable ban

Magmare··2 votes·1,047 views

I need some assistance for my situation.. I am in fact permanently banned. Yes, you will say you had multiple opportunities and warnings before you got perma banned. YES , that is correct. I did, and I did learn from them, and did learn that riot wont accept any toxic behavior. But I wasn't toxic in this permanent ban? I was if anything , respectful, and I was honored by the other three players! So someone read my game chat below, and please help me to understand where I broke any code of conduct? Here is the code "v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable;"

I do not believe I violated this code.. At all :/ and if it is at the discretion of Riot Games, am I at all entitled to state my case and get my account reinstated? :( (PS. the slave to riot part was a joke, I really hope they dont take that to personal :P It's only because how addicting the game is. A compliment if anything.)

Game 1 Magmare: Ali why so toxic today brotha? Magmare: sun is out, you have a free life and can play games Magmare: be happy my man Magmare: You're slave to riot Magmare: but u asked for that Magmare: gj dog Magmare: ez pz Magmare: same Magmare: me toop Magmare: ;) Magmare: yeah, that went really wlel Magmare: farm by 10 too, lets keep it up Magmare: laggg Magmare: lnao... lots of feeding going on Magmare: literally just sit under your towers eveyrone Magmare: dont leave them Magmare: i lagged Magmare: right Magmare: gj twitch Magmare: gj umu Magmare: yeaa gj twitch Magmare: cause ur a fool Magmare: a toxic fool Magmare: lol Magmare: why?? Magmare: how is that possible? Magmare: that sbs Magmare: like wtf Magmare: wow Magmare: wow Magmare: good feeding Magmare: so upset.. Magmare: my comp rips his ass holle Magmare: ori Magmare: pleas STOP Magmare: contest drag Magmare: chasing and leaving you adc Magmare: will lose you the game Magmare: not might, it will Magmare: ali, you dont leave my side Magmare: be my support Magmare: so i can carry us Magmare: its done lagging Magmare: dont leaveme Magmare: yessir Magmare: repport ori Magmare: im so mad Magmare: ori wtf Magmare: i think its the server Magmare: gj Magmare: HIT HIM Magmare: jesus Magmare: and the most useless id Magmare: ff please Magmare: ali, why are you targetting me? Magmare: dove by 4? Magmare: throw? Magmare: sorry ali, but i will be reporting your behaviour Magmare: its not acceptable Magmare: and you're useless, but i kept it to myself Magmare: lol Magmare: you havent done a thing for the team Magmare: noob ali Magmare: ur a thug bruh Magmare: Ali , that was a poorly played game man Magmare: not acceptable Magmare: You did nothing Magmare: it was a very low performing game Magmare: you need to work on ali alot Magmare: you posed no purpose or threat, Magmare: very poorly played Magmare: I bet Magmare: not with ali though Magmare: You need to relaly practice the alig ame Magmare: i believe you Magmare: i just said not with ali Magmare: lol Magmare: it was frankly, sad Magmare: Im commenting on your "plat" play bro Magmare: I bet dude, i would of carried if youd been a suppo4rt Magmare: i cant play ez solo, need a sup buddy Magmare: its an important factor to the game Magmare: basically, a support is there to supplement the ADC Magmare: do you understsnad what supplement means? Magmare: im asking Magmare: do you understnad? Magmare: LOl dude, relax Magmare: im asking Magmare: You are so bloody toxic Magmare: i am not, im posing a question because you didnt show any signs to have the knowledge Magmare: bro Magmare: see.hitting him at me Magmare: doesnt get me the kill Magmare: why u trying put him next to me? Magmare: your whole purpose to to protect me! Magmare: supplement the adc brotha Magmare: you hit him at me,, dude Magmare: pleaes support Magmare: Oh my goodness.... Magmare: youre attitude is unacceptable. i will be reported Magmare: I got killed by braum and ali? Magmare: again, ypou need to supplement the adc bro

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ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted} Magmare: cause ur a fool Magmare: a toxic fool Magmare: good feeding Magmare: and the most useless id Magmare: and you're useless, but i kept it to myself Magmare: noob ali Magmare: ur a thug bruh Magmare: very poorly played

Yeah, this isn't okay.

Edit: As Ulanopo points out, I wasn't my usual self here and didn't explain properly. This is all harassment and/or insults, which is not considered acceptable behavior.

ModUlanopo4 votes

More to the point, it is considered harassment.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}

More to the point, it is considered harassment.

Good catch. Edited in some explanation, since I wasn't up to my usual standard. Thanks for keeping me on message. <3

Shouldn't post tired, I guess. :)

Magmare1 votes

Okay, I understand perhaps to someone very sensitive this may be. Let's place everything I said into the context . Read from the champ selection the attitude this player had. Look at how damaging, abusive, and disruptive to our game he was straight from the getgo. Now, I do not believe if someone is like that, they're a very sensitive person. I did not send any messages personally attacking him. I stated facts and opinions , that were in fact more respectful that 95% of the people commenting on this post would have said. Justified? Is this permaban really justified? :/

MadMad Sickness2 votes

{quoted}

Okay, I understand perhaps to someone very sensitive this may be. Let's place everything I said into the context . Read from the champ selection the attitude this player had. Look at how damaging, abusive, and disruptive to our game he was straight from the getgo. Now, I do not believe if someone is like that, they're a very sensitive person. I did not send any messages personally attacking him. I stated facts and opinions , that were in fact more respectful that 95% of the people commenting on this post would have said. Justified? Is this permaban really justified? :/

If this was your first ban then maybe you would have a case.

The fact that this is the "final" case means that you broke the camel's back here and this final game was the last straw. If you would like more chat-logs and more info about your ban then you should message Riot. However, they're probably gonna say the same thing i'm telling you if you try to tell them that your ban isn't justified.

Magmare1 votes

I sent them an email, I expect a mesage back in a few days. And yesir, you're correct. I did receive those bans and fore warnings. If you, or anyone who was allowed access could see, I completely and utterly deserved my 14 day suspension. If you looked after that, every single game I have played since have been 95% positive and befriending... The game before, another first commend toxic player, ended up apologizing to me, and adding me as a friend.. There are different perspectives here, and you're seeing the most narrow one...

MadMad Sickness1 votes

{quoted}

I sent them an email, I expect a mesage back in a few days. And yesir, you're correct. I did receive those bans and fore warnings. If you, or anyone who was allowed access could see, I completely and utterly deserved my 14 day suspension. If you looked after that, every single game I have played since have been 95% positive and befriending...

Riot keeps a log of your chat-logs (not just the ones that trigger you ban).

If the evidence is as you say then they should be able to see it how your saying it is. Whether they do anything about it depends on who is handling your case and whether or not they've actually seen genuine improvement. If that is the case, then your context here may provide enough evidence to lift it on the premise that they were mistaken on their initial judgment (however, there is a slim to none chance that they may be the case.)

Just keep in mind, it depends on the evidence they have against you. As i'm not a Rioter, I can't tell you definitively.

There are different perspectives here, and you're seeing the most narrow one...

I don't know you and I don't know if your lying to me. I don't know what's in your other chat-logs and i'm not a Rioter.

However, I AM aware of the rules and the TOS that Riot uses and what they expect from their players. SO, as a fellow player I'm telling you what Riot wants from you: Do not respond to toxicity, Mute the players, and Move on. It may be an exhausted mantra but its the company's policy.

And if you don't do that, then whatever happens is at your own risk. And if it so happens that Riot has proof of continual toxicty, then your perma won't be lifted.

I'm really sorry if this is the case for you.

Magmare1 votes

Ok, I understand where you stand. So on the premise, that I have in fact changed my behavior tremendously, would I speak to a Riot representative through email? I did send them an email already, asking for anything that I may have said in that game that I can't see, but I'd imagine there is nothing else. You don't need to know me, because if riot can see my past games, that's all they need. To simply review my past games, and re-evaluate this situation.. I'm a humble young man that has a large following on social media about living a positive energetic lifestyle.. I mean to do good things for people, not bring them down.. That is not my purpose in life, nor my purpose on here..

Thank you for taking the time to bring yourself down to colleagues level, unlike some of the other comments here, and listening to me.. I appreciate it very much, regardless of the outcome

MadMad Sickness1 votes

{quoted}

Ok, I understand where you stand. So on the premise, that I have in fact changed my behavior tremendously, would I speak to a Riot representative through email? I did send them an email already, asking for anything that I may have said in that game that I can't see, but I'd imagine there is nothing else. You don't need to know me, because if riot can see my past games, that's all they need. To simply review my past games, and re-evaluate this situation.. I'm a humble young man that has a large following on social media about living a positive energetic lifestyle.. I mean to do good things for people, not bring them down.. That is not my purpose in life, nor my purpose on here..

Thank you for taking the time to bring yourself down to colleagues level, unlike some of the other comments here, and listening to me.. I appreciate it very much, regardless of the outcome

Like i've said, send in a ticket.

Keep in mind, less then 1% of cases are reverted so keep your expectations in line. If all the evidence supports Riot's initial judgement then you may just be stuck with it, and you'll just have to accept the outcome (because it was deserved).

What happens after that depends on what you say, how you say it, and who your talking to. If you begin to argue with them, then you've already lost.

Be respectful, Riot Support are there to help you. They get too much crap from people when they're just trying to do their jobs.

Magmare1 votes

I understand, as would anyone who must deal with these situations.. Frustrating and uncanny. I'm not here to argue..

Thank you

Magmare1 votes

I submitted my ticket.. Thank you, man.. I respect how you've been tonight.

cheers

Kirisomia1 votes

good luck. tell us the outcome.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

Justified? Is this permaban really justified? :/

If you have received a 14-day ban? Absolutely. You got a final warning, then came back and continued to insult players.

Also, calling someone useless, a fool, and a thug ARE insults, 100%.

MadMad Sickness1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fKL24eAy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-15T03:04:36.877+0000)

Yeah, this isn't okay.

Edit: As Ulanopo points out, I wasn't my usual self here and didn't explain properly. This is all harassment and/or insults, which is not considered acceptable behavior.

The DJINN is right.

You were inflammatory towards your team. Although your language wasn't completely vulgar, you were definitely harassing the enemy laner. This chat isn't all that toxic, but it's still toxic enough to escalate you a tier of punishment if you had been on the border already.

My guess is that you have already received a 14-day. And so, not understanding how you got banned initially, you didn't completely reform and you went on to be reported for this toxicity. This led to you being finally permad.

I'm really sorry, but you probably won't be able to undo your perma as you were warned all the way up to this final tier of punishment.

Gilmanman21

What do you mean this isn't ok? there is nothing wrong with what he said. If players feeling are hurt that easily maybe they should go find a childs game like minecraft.

MadMad Sickness1 votes

{quoted}

What do you mean this isn't ok? there is nothing wrong with what he said. If players feeling are hurt that easily maybe they should go find a childs game like minecraft.

That's not the problem here. The problem is he's a repeat offender who got caught again for negativity.

The first 3 times he was caught (2 chat restrictions and a 14-day), they were all his final warnings.

Magmare1 votes

Appreciate the support, man. It does require that you're 18 to play :P Not saying I was completely positive the entire game, but I definitely don't believe this is perma ban worthy..

Magmare1 votes

Honestly, I just wanted everyone's opinion as if they believed my ban was truly, truly justified. If that is your case, so be it Sr. I just was very confused, because I did not believe childish comments (which they were) deserved a complete ban. I suppose it says at Riot Games discretion, and if they're anywhere as sensitive as those commenting on my thread, I'm fricken toast. LOL

Strilter1 votes

This still falls wholeheartedly into verbal abuse, or harassment, or negative attitude.

J5Cld2hgRx1 votes

lol since when did the standard of severity of toxic went down? usually you get perma if you say 'kys', 'get cancer', or ' you should get aborted' etc

lol wow, im amazed

This should be chat restriction not perma

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}

lol since when did the standard of severity of toxic went down? usually you get perma if you say 'kys', 'get cancer', or ' you should get aborted' etc

lol wow, im amazed

This should be chat restriction not perma

It has always been possible to escalate to a permament ban by persistent minor toxicity. Each subsequent punishment without showing reform earns a higher level of punishment.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Now I'm not gonna say you deserve a permaban, but if you're gonna bust out the actual code, then let's do it right. They specifically state "defamatory".... now wouldn't calling someone a "fool... a toxic fool" be considered defamatory? Also "noob ali" is insulting to someone who never told you they are a noob. You are calling them bad, basically. You did a lot of chatting that is merely arguments with a teammate. Not helpful at all, and a real morale killer for the team. Like I said, I don't think you deserve a perma, but that doesn't matter. You broke the code, several times, and this is the progression you go through. Therefore, in my opinion, this ban is not 100% unjustifiable.

EDIT: after reading your log a little better, I gotta say you were majorly condescending to that Ali. Sure, he started it, he deserved it, whatever. That doesn't matter. Retaliation is not okay in Riots eyes. If someone's being a dick, you mute them and report after. You don't go on a rant talking down to a fellow player about how useless they are.

Magmare1 votes

I was simply trying to coach him through, what i thought could be a potential win. There is nothing wrong with that. I told him what I thought he should of done so I could get kills, while he put me down before I ever locked in my champion :P There was no foul languages, there was nothing more personal than me making a remark about his "toxic attitude" that you just knowingly and agree'd to him "deserving" (which I also never at any point said, myself) :0 My friend, from your comment. I'd say I feel that you are more on my side in this frustrating tribunal time :(

Telephone Booth1 votes

{quoted}

I was simply trying to coach him through, what i thought could be a potential win. There is nothing wrong with that. I told him what I thought he should of done so I could get kills, while he put me down before I ever locked in my champion :P There was no foul languages, there was nothing more personal than me making a remark about his "toxic attitude" that you just knowingly and agree'd to him "deserving" (which I also never at any point said, myself) :0 My friend, from your comment. I'd say I feel that you are more on my side in this frustrating tribunal time :(

Right I'm not against you. I'm merely trying to rationalize. Your coaching needs some major work, like bedside manner from doctors lol. I doubt Ali asked you to coach him either. There is kind of something wrong with that. If you were playing and another player kept telling you what to do and asking condescending simple questions that YOU KNOW are purely meant to undermine your intelligence, (A support is there to supplement the adc. Do you know what supplement means?) you would not like it either. So just given Riots rules, a punishment makes sense to me. Whether I agree with their rules or not is a different issue.

ModPeriscope1 votes

Magmare: basically, a support is there to supplement the ADC Magmare: do you understsnad what supplement means? Magmare: im asking Magmare: do you understnad?

This in particular stood out to me. You're treating this Ali like he's an idiot. You might think you're educating, but no, you were trying to be demeaning. Even if your intent was to educate, the Rift isn't the place to discuss definitions of simple words.

was honored by the other three players!

I highly doubt this. And you should probably disclose that you were in a duo.

Magmare1 votes

I'm not here to discuss your doubts though, man... I'm here to understand if the league is sensitive to the point that it'll ban its loyal supporting customers because another person was vindictive to the point that they'd make an effort to ruin my day? I simply defended myself, and gave him a few comments letting him know he didn't do his job BECAUSE all he did was trash myself, and the entire team. Please read his comments, from the champion selection. GO TO CHAMPION SELECTION, and please.. please read how he commenced this game and how I responded. I am not toxic, and I am not a dishonorable player.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I read it as you spending a significant amount of your chat berating the support. I think The Djinn did a good job highlighting the worst parts. So ya, I think this warrants a punishment.

If this came after a recent 2 week punishment, then yes, it warrants a permaban.

Magmare1 votes

Okay, good to hear. He highlighted the "worst" part, and was it actually bad? Not a single bit.... It was perhaps childish, but there is a significant difference in the two. One, my situation which maybe warrants a 5-game restriction, lol.. But even 25-game is excessive... ? Common, you can't actually believe this warrants a permanent ban, and if you truly believed your opinion is that valuable, how can i get you every game prior to this, up until that 2 weeks suspension so you may see how positive and supportive of a player I am? I gifted two new friends skins this week. LOL LOOK AT FACTS, DONT BASE OF FEELINGS

ModPeriscope1 votes

Did you have a 2 week ban? If so, when was it?

Magmare1 votes

I did. I think anyone who gets permanently banned has already had 2 chat restrictions, and a 14-day suspension. Are you asking because you're uncertain or are you being condescending. Because if you are, you're committing the same crime I made to get me permanently banned. It was 2 weeks ago... Which was very justified. Lol...

ModPeriscope1 votes

2 weeks ago? It takes a few months for your account to reform. Things that would normally net you a chat restriction will get you a permanent ban when only a small amount of time has passed after your 2 week

Magmare1 votes

I regained my honor a week later? Literally, the unlocked my honor the first week I got my account back. :/ Which doesn't make any sense. I truly believe this ban was a mistake. I'm pretty confident league is going to reinstate my account. This is all non sense, everyone agreeing as well, its all non sense.

The other guys used every name in the book and cuss word to call me. I called him toxic, and foolish, Neitehr are negative, neither deserve punishment. there is no other argument. Its for 18 and over. Lmao, people need to take their sad little emotions out and get competitive.

Kirisomia1 votes

some people care more than others. considering how you are speaking, take some time off if riot gives your account back

Magmare1 votes

When someone calls you %%%%, asshole, go kys, and many more things from the start of the game and you put what I said in context, its not negative, in fact its suitable. You're just your a pompy spoiled brats who doesn't leave the house. Be gone with you.

ModPeriscope1 votes

You're just your a pompy spoiled brats who doesn't leave the house. Be gone with you.

You made your original post asking for input, so I don't know why you're so quick to brush aside others' opinions. I've stated my opinion (that I don't think this chat belongs in the game), then provided reasoning for why you were permanently banned (due to recency with your 2-week punishment). Additionally, I'll say that others' actions do not excuse yours. Rather, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

If you disagree, then write a support ticket.

MadMad Sickness1 votes

{quoted}

When someone calls you %%%%, asshole, go kys, and many more things from the start of the game and you put what I said in context, its not negative, in fact its suitable. You're just your a pompy spoiled brats who doesn't leave the house. Be gone with you.

Look, you are looking at this all the wrong way.

Don't insult other players and don't continue a tirade. If you cannot accept the facts of your toxicity, then your perma begins too look more and more justified.

This is entirely about attitude here and being humble enough to accept the facts.

{quoted}

You're speaking from a biased view, and from your childlike mentality. This was not toxic, you just don't leave your home and its 2017, the generation of the fat weak minded. Your response to my thread was pathetic.

This behavior is exactly what led to your ban. You can't say these things, these are all insults. This conversation should have ended with you just sending in a ticket. The longer you continue, the less I have empathy for you.

And if you are like this with Riot Support, you have no chance. From this point of view, i'm starting to see that your ban may in-fact be completely justified because I don't have all the chat-logs and you aren't conducting yourself as a reasonable person. Your digging your own grave and sinking yourself into a hole.

Insults are not ok, and toxicity of any kind isn't ok.

How you are on here spills into how you are in-game. And if you can't see what's flawed here, then Riot Support won't be able to help you. You didn't listen before, your not listening right now, and so I can only assume you won't listen in the future. And if you won't listen in the future, then your ban is justifed: because the purpose of bans is to remove people who don't listen and don't respect the warnings.

I'm done here; talk to riot support.

Magmare1 votes

Okay, so simply... You all agree that I deserve to be permanently banned? That's the only question I pose. I grew up playing many competitive sports and I know things are different with this generation, so perhaps our views of toxicity/behavior have tremendously different scales, because I do not believe this ban is justified.. But perhaps my beliefs mean nothing in this case..

MadMad Sickness1 votes

{quoted}

Okay, so simply... You all agree that I deserve to be permanently banned? That's the only question I pose. I grew up playing many competitive sports and I know things are different with this generation, so perhaps our views of toxicity/behavior have tremendously different scales, because I do not believe this ban is justified.. But perhaps my beliefs mean nothing in this case..

ya but sports are all different man.

Would you say "wtf, you tilted me so hard, F U, you should just quit, [insert derogatory comment]"... On a golf course?

Just because something is competitive does not excuse certain behaviors. Every sport has it's rules.

You should have learned them when you got punished on lower tiers of punishments; that's what they're there for, to warn you of impending doom (and also about your attitude).

Magmare1 votes

FOR SURE. Dude, I completely agree with you and I promise if you go back and looked at the reason I got my 14 day, it was very justified. It was horrid, I was truly flaming. Now, since that, I have made such an effort to be positive with every game, or not speak at all. I would imagine in golf, if you were playing against someone who sank multiple water balls and kept gawking/personally attacking you, you'd simply comment back that they should potentially correct their errors as well. Lol... I wasnt deeming to the point where I got personal with you, I didnt use any foul languages. I'd say I expressed frustration back with respect... wouldn't you?

MadMad Sickness1 votes

{quoted}

FOR SURE. Dude, I completely agree with you and I promise if you go back and looked at the reason I got my 14 day, it was very justified. It was horrid, I was truly flaming. Now, since that, I have made such an effort to be positive with every game, or not speak at all.

You have to understand that your chat-logs are toxic here. If you want to try to undo your perma on the premise that you have made alot of progress and you were trying to reform: you may have a case. These chat-logs are "on the border", though inflammatory they are mildly so.

send in a ticket is all i'm going to advise you.

However, do not sound entitled and do not sound like you deserve anything, and explain your situation. As you were given fair warnings before, Riot may not do anything for you. Just be aware that your chances are slim to none here.

Magmare1 votes

Of course my argument is my behavior. I mean, you want to see toxic, go look at the reason they gave me that 14 day. Like I said, we emailed back and fourth and I came to realize it was justified. In this case, perhaps there was some irritated statements, but I would never feel those are punishable to perma? Perhaps a 5 game chat restriction, but even 25 sees excessive. If that is the case, I would beg Riot to completely revoke my right chat, rather then permanently ban me :( Anyone who has access to any and all previous games will clearly, clearllllyyy see I've made a tremendous effort to be positive, and not draw myself negative attention.. In fact, I duo with my little cousin and I continue to tell him its north worth flaming people. I am conscious and aware of what I'm saying, I just genuinely didn't believe I was harrassing him in this situation. I would very much appreciate if you supported me while submitting a ticket..

Modi1 votes

Your ban is not because of this ONE game. Looking at it, assuming you didn't edit out any zero tolerance lines, then most likely is that you have recently been punished with a 14 day suspension. With that, you should know (it is right on your reform card) that your next punishment is a permanent ban. Long story short, it is not this game that got you banned, it was consistent behavior illustrated by this game that got you banned.

Magmare1 votes

No, because if it was based on consistent behavior, then I would not be banned. If you had access to see the way i spoke before my 14 day, and then everything after. You'd see a tremendous change in every single game. Not only did i cut out any cussing, which you wont find in this game as well, but you'll see I'm greeting and positive in almost every game, you'll see I lift players up and continually compliment them. I am not toxic, not a single big. Especially if the perspective is on a broader scheme. In fact, there was a 180 degree change in my behavior.

Magmare1 votes

Also, it is because "ONE" game. They only sent me the one conversation. On my 14 day, they sent me two seperate games that I was toxic. There was literally only "ONE" in this situation. You're incorrect, dude.

Modi1 votes

You said it best yourself:

If you had access to see the way i spoke before my 14 day, and then everything after. You'd see a tremendous change in every single game

The problem is, being good for a short time period does not cancel out the previous negativity. You were on your last leg, already, and when you slipped up again, there is the big fall. Not only is consistent negative behavior not a good thing, inconsistent behavior is not good either.

Magmare1 votes

Look, you and I could go back and fourth over and over again. Neither right, neither wrong. It's all about perspective. I have yours now. Thank you.

Cheers

The Cream Reaper1 votes

YES , that is correct. I did, and I did learn from them, and did learn that riot wont accept any toxic behavior. But I wasn't toxic in this permanent ban?

what you failed to learn is that 14 day ban is final warning. literally any negative behaviour can get you banned at this point. ANY

Magmare: cause ur a fool Magmare: a toxic fool

^that is PLENTY

Strilter1 votes

You look like another whinny ass adc that I get forced to carry on my back every other game....

Magmare1 votes

And this is exactly why riot is broken. Because they ban competitive players like myself rather then people like you.. God save us all

Strilter1 votes

lol I like how you assume I am not competitive ...

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