Hello last time i was here bcs i got 14 days ban because of 1 game of toxicity now its perma

Medor·Apr 20, 2018·2 votes·2,278 views

Hello i just got perma banned because of 1 toxic game, last time it was 14 days ban bcs of 1 toxic game before that i never got a chat restrict or anything since like end of season 3 so my question is are you serious right now? https://imgur.com/a/rh38EUb https://imgur.com/a/ci9xRK9

Edit1: Also to mention that game had a ammumu jungler who just spammed with caps and called everyone "WHORE" etc. so i guess i was reported from this guy and then banned... nice..

Edit2: Yea i get it i got warned but i cant understand even why i got that 14 days ban when srsly last chat rest was in like s3-4 cant remember now so srsly just why? i need that answer why didnt i get chat restrict back then and now? why it was 14 days ban???? Can someone answer me this????

29 Comments

archerno1Apr 20, 20187 votes

Read 9th line in your chat log.

Irony...

MedorApr 20, 20182 votes

Yeah.. irony.. when he was spamming with CAPS every single thing calling everyone whores and i guess hes not banned...

ArammusApr 20, 20185 votes

seems like you didnt read the comments on your last thread. people told you that the actions of others dont excuse your actions. just mute and report AND MOVE ON. they also told you that after a 14 day ban, the next tier is a permaban which will be given to you FOR THE SLIGHTEST misbehavior.

maybe, if you create a new account, you learned now.

MedorApr 20, 20181 votes

New account after 7 years on playing on this one? nah... i rather wont play this game anymore im tired harstuck anyway i wont get this one back bcs im not a streamer or a pro player im nothing nobody cares about if i get this one back or nah, so why would i bother exping a new account... this is just over for me spend too many cash on this one already atleast i wont be frustrated with this game anymore i guess

fatherdariusApr 20, 20184 votes

You won't be frustrated anymore, and community will have one less toxic player to worry about.

I don't know about you, to me it sounds like a win-win!

9 XApr 24, 20181 votes

Oh, but in the real world the actions of others definitely play a part.

Why defend a practice and a system that has made the game so much worse than even a couple years ago? My guess is you're actually kissing Rito's ass hoping for a job. I don't doubt your odds are better than mine, that's just how the world works.

ArammusApr 24, 20181 votes

no thanks. i dont wanna work for riot. they dont give any information to their playerbase on their plans, the support is garbage and the game is hard to manage. and even tho i myself lost a smurf to the new system, i still like it.

Timethief49Apr 20, 20184 votes

The 14 day ban came with a message that said if toxic behaviour continues you will be permabanned. You definetly show toxicity in those logs -> you got permabanned. Makes sense to me.

DerMangoJoghurtApr 20, 20184 votes

The 14-day ban was your last warning. One incident of toxicity is enough to get you perma-banned after that. Also everybody is responsible for their own actions. What the Amumu said doesn't matter at all.

KanzlerApr 20, 20184 votes

It's hard finding spots in your log where you didn't deserve the ban

Scary DoorApr 20, 20183 votes

You were warned, you didn't learn your lesson.

You were banned, maybe now you get it, but somehow, based upon this thread, I doubt it.

9 XApr 20, 20182 votes

It's pretty clear to see he was responding to toxic/inting "teammates", yet he's the only one punished for drawing player and report aggro. I've seen much worse cases of toxicity, dealt with it almost every match and they are not taken care of as evidenced by their presence in EVERY_SINGLE_MATCH. It is definitely a flawed system I'm sure a chimp could come up with something better honestly.

And now, I mostly just play with friends on occasion only to find a nice little reminder in just about every match as to why I don't actually play this game.

KarunamonApr 20, 20184 votes

It's pretty clear to see he was responding to toxic/inting "teammates"

When you start trolling the trolls, you stop being a victim and start becoming another abuser. That's one more person everyone on your team has to mute because now they're hearing one side of a stupid slapfight between an idiot that doesn't have self-control, and another that just lost it.

9 XApr 20, 20181 votes

Funny, I seem to recall in the real world instigation plays a big part in who is arrested by actual police.

Maybe you and Rito could learn something from them.

KarunamonApr 20, 20183 votes

Funny, I seem to recall this is Riot's back yard, and they set the rules.

"But they started it!" doesn't work with your parents and it doesn't work here. Deal with it or go play elsewhere.

9 XApr 21, 20181 votes

Yes, they set the rules and I'm telling you exactly how they're wrong and why it needs to change.

I don't know what it's like in your zero elo, but at my medium elo it's infested with trolls everywhere that make the game literally unplayable. It is because of Rito Games' shitty half-assed enforcement of player behavior. "But they started it!" certainly does play a role with law enforcement and they definitely have a better grasp of right and wrong than you.

So yeah, actually playing elsewhere has been my tendency as it has been with a lot of people. League is dying, and considering what I've invested into it I'd like to save it, but as with most companies that become too big they gradually invite too many friends and it suffers from incompetence and excuses. Just look at Activision-Blizzard and what they did to WoW.

So yes, this is my attempt to deal with it. Don't like it? Come back with a semi-logical argument rather than this "HERP DERP RITO IS 'MURICA DEY R RITE U R RONG!" or go cry in a corner.

KarunamonApr 21, 20181 votes

Justify yourself however you want - most people have no issues with this system - I'll give you that it's wayyyyy too lenient, but the people getting banned for tox absolutely deserve it in all but the smallest handful of cases.

League is dying

[sg-miss-fortune]

Oh look, this falsehood again. Riot won't do what you want them to do, so you project harm on them.

9 XApr 22, 20181 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Nah, they react just as any actual reasonable human should when the problem is consistently present. Their experience is soured by toxicity, it becomes them and like a plague it just keeps on bouncing because Rito legitimately does not give a shit when they can compensate by pumping out more redundant skins/emotes and ignore it thinking they're turning profits, when that profit could be greater still if they actually gave a damn about what players do in their game.

You must have mistaken me for someone who wants what was once one of my favorite games to fail. Such mindless fanboyism on your part does you no favors. Unless of course, you're one of the problems I speak of. Well whatever, friends list don't lie and neither does my experience with the game.

KarunamonApr 22, 20181 votes

Your friends list and personal experience are not representative of the larger trend - there is no data to suggest anything other than the fact that more players are playing than ever before.

So don't give me that "league is dying" crap just because you and your buddies got tired of it.

9 XApr 24, 20181 votes

Of course there isn't any data. Don'cha know what Blizzard decided to do when their WoW subscription numbers fell to half of what they used to be? They stopped publishing them. Naturally if there is any data suggesting the opposite you can bet any company of significance will want to promote that because they know full well that popularity can snowball based off public perception.

When one's personal experience of 500+ games at an elo suggests in the vast majority of them there will be someone blatantly griefing, that's definitely indicative. I couldn't care less about your zero elo game arguments. I want the trolls in mine fixed.

KarunamonApr 24, 20181 votes

~81M monthly players at the end of 2017, which is hardly "dyring". Down from an estimated ~100M at the end of 2016, but still quite healthy.

And frankly speaking, I don't trust most of the player base to accurately describe inting.

9 XApr 24, 20181 votes

A 19% loss in a year? That's dying. Some people with certain cancers can survive longer than that rate.

Yeah, you said it yourself. You don't trust most of the player base to accurately describe inting, so why is the system in place almost entirely dependent on a vote system from a player base and a worthless bot? This is why you have actual people review these cases, punishing offenders as well as people who submit clearly frivolous reports for wasting their time.

KarunamonApr 24, 20182 votes

You want to talk numbers? Okay. Let's talk numbers.

81 million monthly players. Let's say that every single one of those players only played a single game all month. Thats 81,000,000 individual games. (The real number is probably a lot higher)

Let's make an extremely conservative estimate that 1% of those games generated some kind of report. Flaming, inting, whatever.

That's 810,000 reports that have to be adjudicated. Let's split it and say that 80% of these reports are for flame, and 20% of these reports are for int. That's 648k flame, 162k int.

The flame reports are easy - someone just has to read the chat history. Let's say it takes someone about a minute to clear a single report (reading the chat and clicking punish or not punish, kinda like the old tribunal)

Int reports are a lot harder; someone needs to actually watch the replay of the game to make a decision on that. Just looking at KDA and build isn't enough, you have to actually watch how someone plays. Let's say these take about 10 minutes each.

With these numbers, each month, Riot staff would be spending 10,800 hours handling flame reports, and 27,000 hours handling int reports. 37,800 hours each month.

This doesn't scale. At all.

What you're missing is that the stuff people are getting punished for is absolutely against the rules they agreed to follow. The rule is that other people trolling (be that flame or int) doesn't give you license to troll - and there is simply no reason to have a human clicking this button when a computer can figure it out with a higher accuracy rate than an army of engineers doing each one by hand could ever manage.

9 XApr 24, 20181 votes

Well sure, if you want to weigh the numbers in a fashion that favors your argument, and only look at the numbers, you certainly might have a point there.

Hadn't you heard? All too often people aren't killed in the real world on a whim because it is very likely the killer will also lose his life. Definitely not the case with Rito Games. In fact, troll a certain way and you'll have ruined the game experience of hundreds of players before anything meaningful is done to your account, probably even getting a few other players actioned in the process.

Here's a better argument for you. Let's say Rito Games actually does jack of all shit and its entire player base knows it. What do you think those numbers will say then?

Of course it'll take a significant investment of resources to fix the problem, that's because Rito Games let it get so far out of hand in the first place. But once they start actually taking care of business, actually putting their own humans on the case and ensuring everyone is given their slice of justice pie, it becomes less of a problem and thus requires less resources to maintain.

Then we can actually play League of Legends, rather than this sick slot machine of a game where the main determining factor is which trolls were placed on which team.

KarunamonApr 24, 20181 votes

Definitely not the case with Rito Games. In fact, troll a certain way and you'll have ruined the game experience of hundreds of players before anything meaningful is done to your account, probably even getting a few other players actioned in the process.

If you're saying that Riot (you're not cute or clever with "rito" btw) gives people entirely too many opportunities to ruin other people's time before finally dropping the hammer, you'll find no disagreement here. I advocate that they get rid of the "bad game protection" and start handing out punishments immediately, every time. Getting caught inting even once should be a ban, not just on the account, but on your hardware ID, payment method, and email address, making it as difficult as possible for you to ever touch this game ever again.

Let's say Rito Games actually does jack of all shit and its entire player base knows it.

Then you'd be saying an absolute falsehood. I really stress that you're underestimating how difficult it is to detect inting short of anything other than watching full game replays, and there is no company in the world that is going to pay that many people the money required to do something like that.

Every single MOBA is going to have this problem - Riot just has it in spades since they're the largest by multiples.

TrulyBlandApr 22, 20181 votes

Funny, I seem to recall in the real world instigation plays a big part in who is arrested by actual police.

Only when one of the party's actions were just a means of protecting themselves from the instigator. If I steal your car and you light my house on fire in response, we're both going to be arrested for our respective crimes.

9 XApr 24, 20181 votes

Kind of a silly comparison honestly. If I see someone stealing my car and I know where they live, that's an easy police report.

On the other hand, if I don't know where they live I could just shoot them dead. Protection of my own personal propertah is kind of a big deal.

TrulyBlandApr 24, 20181 votes

Protection of my own personal propertah is kind of a big deal.

Nice to see that you totally read what I wrote...

Only when one of the party's actions were just a means of protecting themselves from the instigator.

Now that we've concluded that you and I actually agree in principle, feel free to elaborate how you protect yourself from other players' with your actions.