Why can't I undergo a "reformation" or whatever like t1 and get my account on euw unbanned? Why can't I do something like this if I wish to get my account back. I didn't even int like he did, sure I was a bit toxic but what can I say about duo trolls? Need sum explaining pls.
BeatzBoyFTW7 votesTyler1 is ID unbanned, but his previous accounts were NEVER unbanned. He's just allowed to make a new account without having the consequences of getting instaban on sight.
Oxyrotten1 votesBut he's no longer playing on the new account, he plays on an old account that he didn't turn over because it has toxic behavior associated with it..
Not that I care, just sayin. :P
SnyperWulff2 votesIf that's the case then he's going to get caught and ID banned again. As the terms of being allowed to play again without getting banned on site were that he turned over every account he used that wasn't banned.
Oxyrotten1 votesI am aware. I was just sayin.
Although he has been playing it for awhile now and hasn't been banned yet. So I dunno.
The Cream Reaper1 votesthat he didn't turn over because it has toxic behavior associated with it..
because that's how bans work. people willingly give away the accounts they were rude on so that they can get banned
please don't reporoduce
Oxyrotten1 votesDid you bother to read?
Your reply has nothing to do with what I said, and literally makes no sense. And your worried about ME reproducing?!?!?
The Cream Reaper1 votesi read
you are severely missinformed about his situation
please document yourself THOROUGHLY about his situation before making any future arguments concerning tyler
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Oxyrotten1 votesOr what you'll argue me to death with your own misinformation and misguided opinions?
I happen to be well informed of the situation, I have had this argument a hundred times already.
Fact: Tyler had well over 20 chances to reform but did not Fact: Tyler was ID banned Fact: ID ban's forbid you from making new accounts Fact: Tyler made new accounts despite the ban Fact: Tyler was made to turn over his accounts for review and confiscation Fact: Tyler only turned over accounts with no toxic behavior associated Fact: Tyler still had account(s) with toxic behavior he did not turn over
Fact: I said he did not turn over an account Fact: You made some nonsensical comment about that being how bans work Fact: Your implication is not how bans work.
Fact: You are toxic yourself and are only being defensive because of a maturity issue
What am I misinformed about?
The Cream Reaper2 votesFact: Tyler only turned over accounts with no toxic behavior associated
citation/proof required
Fact: Tyler still had account(s) with toxic behavior he did not turn over
and you know this because...?
also why is it relevant that he had toxic behaviour? the ideea of the id ban was that any account he plays on, would be banned on sight. nowhere does it say that the quality of his account is relevant in the slightest
Fact: I said he did not turn over an account
proof?
also why do you care?
again. the point of the id ban was that the account he plays on will be banned on sight. if he managed to play with the account under the radar then ...so what?
Fact: You made some nonsensical comment about that being how bans work
i'm sure it's nonsensical to someone like you :)
Fact: Your implication is not how bans work.
if you say so
Fact: You are toxic yourself and are only being defensive because of a maturity issue
right now i'm questioning yours...
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Oxyrotten1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dtcjIqyq,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T07:48:55.347+0000)
citation/proof required
Riot's decision, it can be implied from Riot's decision (who in this case is considered a subject matter expert) that the accounts turned over came up clean.
and you know this because...?
Numerous master/challenger tier players had suspected ROFLMFAO LOL as being Tyler during his ban, this was partially due to the toxic nature the account displayed matching Tyler's known behavior. The account has a history dating back prior to the ban removal, which according to Riot is against their agreement with Tyler. If Tyler had adhered to the ban, or to the agreement after the ban removal this would be impossible (barring the possibility that he bought the account, which again is against the rules).
proof?
Scroll up, jesus you quoted me saying it yourself...
i'm sure it's nonsensical to someone like you :) because that's how bans work. people willingly give away the accounts they were rude on so that they can get banned
Your right, I try not to be toxic so your concept that people only get banned because they willingly give up their accounts doesn't make sense to me.
if you say so
It's not me who says so, Riot clearly defines the terms of a Ban. "please document yourself THOROUGHLY about his situation before making any future arguments"
right now i'm questioning yours...
I'm sure you are.
[slayer-jinx-catface]
The Cream Reaper2 votesit can be implied from Riot's decision (who in this case is considered a subject matter expert) that the accounts turned over came up clean.
that the accounts turned over came up clean.
why? why would that matter?
unless it's an official statement that you can... i hope... link me to, it's nothing more then your personal preferance
which according to Riot is against their agreement with Tyler. If Tyler had adhered to the ban, or to the agreement after the ban removal this would be impossible
their deal with him was that he should forward them all the accounts that he has, that they were unaware of, as a show of good faith. i dont remember them saying anywhere that those accounts would be banned, regardless how old they are
Scroll up, jesus you quoted me saying it yourself...
that's because your rephrased your point and presented it as two separate facts... which was cute
so your concept that people only get banned because they willingly give up their accounts doesn't make sense to me.
i was being sarcastic. you're likely the only one that didn't get that
>he plays on an old account that he didn't turn over because it has toxic behavior associated with it..
your stance was that the account didnt get banned because tyler didn't tell them that it had toxic behaviour on it
tell them
since when does riot need to be told about account toxicity?!?!
Oxyrotten1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dtcjIqyq,comment-id=000200000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T08:11:55.993+0000)
why? why would that matter?
unless it's an official statement that you can... i hope... link me to, it's nothing more then your personal preferance
I have no idea why it would matter, your the one who asked for it. Riot stated that they would not release any official statement and that it would be kept private between Riot and the party concerned. I am surprised you did not know this what with you being so documented on the subject.
So I am not sure what else to tell you. Beyond that I am not sure why it matters, the issue is not with the accounts he turned over but with the account(s) he did not turn over. Please try to keep up.
their deal with him was that he should forward them all the accounts that he has, that they were unaware of, as a show of good faith. i dont remember them saying anywhere that those accounts would be banned, regardless how old they are
The agreement was that he turn them over and he would no longer be allowed to play them, that is why he had to level a new account upon his ban removal, and it was not in good faith it was so that they could be reviewed in order to determine if he was truly reformed or not and that decided the ban removal.
Really man your telling ME to educate myself on the situation?!? You think I'M misinformed on the situation!?!?! Really!??!
that's because your rephrased your point and presented it as two separate facts... which was cute
I did no such thing, you quoted my first comment on this post. Don't try and backpeddle now. The writing is up for everyone to see.
i was being sarcastic.
you're likely the only one that didn't get that
It's hard to tell sarcasm when everything you said after that was so sorely uneducated. I apologize I did not catch your attempt at humor.
The Cream Reaper1 votesand that it would be kept private between Riot and the party concerned.
the issue is not with the accounts he turned over but with the account(s) he did not turn over. Please try to keep up.
if their deal is private then the issue does not concern you
Really man your telling ME to educate myself on the situation?!? You think I'M misinformed on the situation!?!?! Really!??!
yes. you are. you presented the proof for that at the begining of this reply:
"and that it would be kept private between Riot and the party concerned."
if it is a private deal then the particular details are also private, no?
please try to stop looking for drama just for the sake of making it your own issue. you must have better things to do...
[slayer-jinx-catface]
I did no such thing, you quoted my first comment on this post. Don't try and backpeddle now. The writing is up for everyone to see.
oh really?
what do you call these two then?
Fact: Tyler only turned over accounts with no toxic behavior associated Fact: Tyler still had account(s) with toxic behavior he did not turn over
you are a dishonest -edited out by moderation-. and we are done here! i don't chat with dishonest trolls!
-TCR
Oxyrotten1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dtcjIqyq,comment-id=00020000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T09:00:39.610+0000)
if their deal is private then the issue does not concern you
Your confusing the details of their agreement with our situation, don't take things out of context it isn't healthy for discussion.
yes. you are. you presented the proof for that at the begining of this reply:
"and that it would be kept private between Riot and the party concerned."
if it is a private deal then the particular details are also private, no?
No, the details are public domain since he has discussed them on publicly accessibly media, as well as Riot has well defined the Ban requirements. Your failing to follow along your own logic. Please try to keep up.
We don't have the particulars of Tyler's and Riot's conversation, all we have is what Tyler has told us and what Riot has posted regarding ID ban's and removal in general. You should know this shouldn't you? I find it funny how you asked for proof, couldn't refute the facts, and had no proof of your own to show.
oh really?
what do you call these two then?
I call that you backpeddling again, please scroll up and follow along our discussion. Your comment was in regards to my refuting yours. Don't take separate parts of our discussion and shoehorn them into your point simply because you know you are wrong.
you are a dishonest p.o.s. and we are done here! i don't chat with dishonest trolls!
No you are simply realizing your in over your head and that you don't know as much about the situation as you thought. You can not refute the facts that I provided so instead you are taking things out of context, putting words in my mouth, and trying to convolute the discussion by bringing up topic A then when I prove you wrong you say Topic A is right because I said something in regards to Topic B. That is dishonest and hypocritical.
I suggest you keep to your word and not respond, your only embarrassing yourself. No one is fooled by your word twisting.
ModPeriscope1 votesif Riot knew of an account of his, it was banned. If he had an account that he never streamed from, then how would they know it to be his? I don't know if he was forced to divulge any accounts, but any that he did, through streaming, were banned.
Oxyrotten1 votesThat was part of the deal, he had to turn over all his accounts for review, if they came up clean he was unbanned.
He has accounts that he did not turn over because they were not clean.
TrulyBland2 votesHe has accounts that he did not turn over because they were not clean.
I've seen people (though mostly you) say this very frequently, but I've never seen anybody prove this. You are aware that Riot isn't going to punish somebody based on rumours, right?
Oxyrotten1 votesNobody is asking them to. I haven't reported it, I don't know if anyone else has. What's your point?
TrulyBland2 votesWhat is yours? You are spreading rumours as if they were facts for absolutely no reason, seeing as you (by your own admission) do not even want Riot to re-punish him. So what's the point of all of your posts on this subject?
Oxyrotten1 votesI take issue against Tyler, I think his behavior is toxic and I think he negatively influences the community to be toxic as well.
And I dislike how argumentative his fangirls are and how misinformed they are about the situation.
You can call them rumors if you want, the facts don't lie.
TrulyBland3 votesI'm not a fangirl btw... In fact I actually agree with your first paragraph. But you know what also negatively influences the community in terms of toxicity? Witchhunts. And as long as there's no actual proof of his misconduct (on the accounts, not on the stream, naturally) I find it extremely questionable to throw around rumours (which are just that as long as there is no proof) to attack an - assuming his innocence until proven otherwise - innocent person.
The only person being argumentative is you, by consistently throwing this "fact" of yours around in every single discussion about him and getting defensive the moment anybody asks for actual proof.
Oxyrotten1 votesFair enough.
The is no empirical evidence, only that which we can deduce. I think your misunderstanding the situation, I simply react to the attacks I receive by stating unpopular comments, after that your probably right I do get defensive. The issue that I take with your statement is that nobody every asks for proof, they simply say the same things over and over, "You don't understand how an ID ban works" and when I post the link to RIot's description of an ID ban they reply with "You didn't read the whole thing, he doesn't get his accounts back" which never has any bearing on the conversation at hand.
If you have seen me then you know it is the same argument every time, and it just ends up being circular logic, "That's not how the ban works" -> "You didn't read the whole ban description" -> "He didn't get his accounts back" -> "That's not how the ban works". Nothing ever comes of it, I will admit, because no one ever has a logical approach to the situation, they just argue because their feelings are hurt that their favorite streamer can do no wrong.
BUT TO THE POINT:
ROFLMFAO LOL is an account that numerous master/challenger tier players have accused of being tyler during his ID ban. This is rumor and speculation but I think that we can safely assume that their assessment of the accounts toxicity is accurate, despite not having proof that it was Tyler1 behind the wheel. (if you don't want to assume their assessment of the account bm'ing and int'ing is accurate of the accounts toxicity fine, I won't argue that, it's rumor)
Tyler1 was required to hand over all previous accounts for review and was made to create a new account from his ban removal forward. Any accounts prior to his ban removal are considered illegal for not only the ID ban but the agreement upon the ID ban removal. Furthermore he has a well established history of not complying with ban requirements.
Tyler1 got hardstuck at the bottom of plat on his main account (that he created upon ban removal and leveled so that he could begin streaming again). Upon getting hardstuck he began playing ROFLMFAO LOL.
ROFLMFAO LOL has master tier ranking dating back prior to the ban, that by itself violates the terms of the unbanning, assuming it was not bought or shared by tyler (both of which violate Riot's policies).
Witchhunt? Maybe. I will let you decide for yourself.
The Cream Reaper1 votesand getting defensive the moment anybody asks for actual proof.
which he consistently fails to humour and instead throws around more "facts" and insults while not failing to contradict himself within every single wall of text
sigh
trolls...
Butt Ρlug6 votesWhere you ID banned ? I'm pretty sure it isn't the case you can always make a new account. Tyler was ID banned which mean any new account he would made riot would have ban him on sight. He didn't get any of his banned accounts back.
Oxyrotten2 votesinb4 tyler fangirls: "he didn't get his accounts back"
And this is why he should not have been unbanned.
General Esdeath 3 votesSpreading information makes me a fangirl?
Am I at least a PRETTY fangirl?
Oxyrotten1 votesThe prettiest! :D
General Esdeath 2 votesty
The Cream Reaper2 votesif by "pretty" you mean "pretty on the inside" then sure
Oxyrotten1 votesHe is pretty to me and his mom, and that's all that matters.
General Esdeath 1 votesBreaking my heart :(
The Cream Reaper1 voteswish i had one
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Ph03n1xb1rd1 votesI'll tell you one magical word: "MONEY".
deathgod51 votesTyler one is not allowed to play on the accounts that already had bans associated with it, he is allowed to play accounts that he made that didn't get banned yet. You have the exact same right to make a new account and play on that so he didn't get special treatment.
Chances are, an answer that explained the same thing is already here, I just decided to make this template response to every thread with this title.
Pandemic Punch1 votesTyler1 did not get unbanned in the traditional sense. He still has to create new accounts like you do.
Xidphel1 votesHis accounts are still banned.
