Not naming names, just curious if my afk here was justified. I'm in a normal game as jungle, this duo starts following me around stealing camps and buffs after we had an argument over a map rotation. I left after they stole my red and several camps. I can't get gold or xp, I can't scale and they aren't typing so I can't even guarantee a punishment after. How am I expected to "mute and play to win" here?
Biscuit Bite3 votesMy opinion is, go "help" mid and call everyone man babies. Riot agrees that is ok to call someone man baby, or you can even tell them to sea lion somewhere else, if things get out of control ofc.
Preata1 votesOne of the duo was our mid lane, the other was support. They both left lane to grief me. I'm worried to type ANYTHING in chat since Riot has already proved themselves to be MASSIVE hypocrites on several occasions. You can get chat restrictions for quoting Klein, Froskurrin or anyone else in Riot spouting off 'anti-sexism' beliefs. I think this has been the final straw for my hope in Riot, they clearly have no clue how to run a company, run a game, run anything well. It's funny how oblivious they are honestly, this company is a shining example of how to kill itself. A game grows because of it's community, and they thank us by turning around and telling us to leave. Do they not understand WHY they've grown?
Biscuit Bite1 votesYup. It's just not fun anymore, so, the only fun that's left to the game is just to passive troll and see people get mad.
Preata1 votesKinda sad that the best alternative really is Fortnite, which hurts me to say. I love climbing and getting to higher ranks, it just feels impossible since 99% of the community has the mental strength of a 2 year old. Riot believes they have a good ranked system, "average winrate is 50%", but that's only because most games are won in champ select by flipping the "who got more trolls" coin.
Silent Gravity1 votesPreata, I know that right now you're upset about how that game went, but I'd like to to take a moment to think about the players who you are agreeing with.
One is named Aryan MasterRage and the other specifically admits to doing the thing that made you upset.
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the only fun that's left to the game is just to passive troll and see people get mad.
Do you really want to publicly agree with players like that?
Preata1 votesWhere in my response did I validate that opinion? I merely commented on his first point, that League is no longer fun, which I do agree with. I ignored the point that you quoted because I think trolling does nothing to bring back what made League great. The only enjoyment in League now comes from winning. Nexus Blitz WAS fun at first but even that turned toxic after a few weeks.
As for MasterRage, I don't know if his name reflects his views or it's just a troll name to get a reaction out of people. I don't think it discredits his opinion on this specific thread though. I asked the community for their opinion, he agreed that the game was ruined whether or not I left. That doesn't mean I sympathize with him on any other topic besides the one he responded to.
Biscuit Bite1 votesWhat do you mean? I am not saying people should troll. But I see why people troll more that they use too. Since trolling seems more fun now than it ever was.
Biscuit Bite1 votesI know. Tho, I wish Fortnite was simpler, I don't like that you have to build to save yourself. If it wasn't for that, I might be a Fortnite player.
Preata1 votesMy issue always returns to Fortnite being extremely complicated to play, the building element is what makes it great and also so difficult to learn. Last time I tried to play, there was no learning game mode, nothing to help new players besides advising them to drop in TT and get their ass beat until they learn that way.
HalcyonDweller4 votesDon't be an idiot. A few individuals think that, that's not the same thing as the whole company thinking it.
Encouraging other players to break the rules can actually get you into trouble, so I suggest you stuff it with your bad advice.
Preata1 votesI don't agree with intentionally breaking the rules. However, the individuals in question DID post as representatives of Riot and the last time I checked, those posts are still up, meaning Riot either approves, or doesn't care.
Biscuit Bite1 votesNo. As long as Riot does not punish their OWN people for doing that, then it means everyone can do it.
HalcyonDweller3 votesWell! I guess that we should let everyone go around murdering each other, since there are instances where people got away with murder. It would be unfair to those poor people who were caught for it if we punished them and not the people who got away with it. /s
By your own logic, murder should be allowed because some murderers have not been punished for their crimes.
But stupid logic aside....
Different systems, different jurisdictions. Playing a videogame is a completely different environment from going on social media. Similar morals may be enforced, but it's through different systems, not the same system.
There is nothing hypocritical or wrong about punishing people in-game for being inflammatory and disruptive.
Mc Truck2 votesI don't think afk is justified. From my own experience as jungle Sona back in season 5, I had to deal with this shit A LOT, but I couldn't afford not being saint. So I practiced lasthits against Udyrs. That made me a better player.
If they follow you like that, you can also farm their lane.
Preata1 votesI tried doing that, they followed me everywhere. I can farm their lane but I'm sharing XP and only getting what cs I can from a Leblanc and Veigar
Mc Truck1 votesI tried doing that, they followed me everywhere. I can farm their lane but I'm sharing XP and only getting what cs I can from a Leblanc and Veigar
It's better than zero exp. And you can farm a camp when your smite is up. The game is ruined and tou can't win it. What is the next best thing after winning the game? Getting strong and looking cool under harsh conditions, of course. So pursue that goal.
Preata1 votesI can only smite one monster though, and I would obviously use it for my buffs. Regardless, that still leaves the rest up for grabs. Not much of a trade lmao
Mc Truck2 votesI can only smite one monster though, and I would obviously use it for my buffs. Regardless, that still leaves the rest up for grabs. Not much of a trade lmao
You smite a buff and go laning for your share of gold exp, which is bigger than 0.
Preata1 votesAnd sacrifice the rest of my camps? This still isn't enough to keep me relevant. Not to mention that our adc is 1v2 bot, mid is basically open, the enemy is getting farther and farther ahead as well as my team putting us farther and farther behind.
Mc Truck2 votesAnd sacrifice the rest of my camps? This still isn't enough to keep me relevant. Not to mention that our adc is 1v2 bot, mid is basically open, the enemy is getting farther and farther ahead as well as my team putting us farther and farther behind.
And sacrificing the rest of your camps, you are not getting them anyway. It's not about being relevant or winning the game - it's about thinking logically and practicing right decisions, which is better than going afk.
Preata1 votesThinking logically tells me that 4 of our team are now heavily gimped, mid is open, and we can't win. Maybe it's better to just watch YouTube before I tilt and say something I'll regret
Mc Truck1 votesThinking logically tells me that 4 of our team are now heavily gimped, mid is open, and we can't win. Maybe it's better to just watch YouTube before I tilt and say something I'll regret
First of all, getting tilted in such games is a good thing - you can recognise it and learn dealing with it. And the second, saying something has nothing to do with tilt. Just don't do it. [sona-playing]
Preata1 votesAt what point, is "playing to win" just delusional and time wasting? If I played like Summoner GoodBoy, I would vote no to every surrender, continue ganking and dying repeatedly, falling farther and farther behind while refusing to move on to the next game where it won't be ruined by a premade. Holding games hostage is just as reportable as afk, I took the option that presented the least risk to my account, since I don't afk frequently.
Baka Red1 votesYou play with what you got and try to make the enemy work for their win. Afterwards you report the trolls and hope they get punished some day. That is all you can do and that is what you should do. Afking is never okay (at least in my books); you need to play as well as you can, whatever the odds. Afking is never playing as well as you can.
As long as you do that, you yourself won't be punished for afk (and as long as you keep your calm, you won't be punished for your chat use). The trolls might be punished some day, but unfortunately with the current IFS that day might be far in the future as long as the trolls resort to gameplay only trolling, not chat use.
Preata1 votesIf I tried to help my team, I would only feed more. I don't think you understand being starved out...I would be too far behind to do anything to contribute.
Mc Truck2 votesAt what point, is "playing to win" just delusional and time wasting? If I played like Summoner GoodBoy, I would vote no to every surrender, continue ganking and dying repeatedly, falling farther and farther behind while refusing to move on to the next game where it won't be ruined by a premade. Holding games hostage is just as reportable as afk, I took the option that presented the least risk to my account, since I don't afk frequently.
You have no idea at what point playing to win is delusional, but if you have a couple of griefers you are probably in one of those. It's never timewasting though - if you get better at the game after a crushing loss(or even a series of losses), it will be easier to climb back.
Preata1 votesMy most recent game, I carried vs a Challenger Camille, after my top and mid both hard lost lane. I know resilience despite it being difficult. Some games are unwinnable, and I don't see why it's really worth the effort to try to win in a pre 30 norms with a griefing premade. I have nothing to lose and I WILL tilt if I tell myself we can still win and beat my head against the wall for God knows how long until the enemy lead becomes too much and they decide to stop playing with their food.
Mc Truck2 votesMy most recent game, I carried vs a Challenger Camille, after my top and mid both hard lost lane. I know resilience despite it being difficult. Some games are unwinnable, and I don't see why it's really worth the effort to try to win in a pre 30 norms with a griefing premade. I have nothing to lose and I WILL tilt if I tell myself we can still win and beat my head against the wall for God knows how long until the enemy lead becomes too much and they decide to stop playing with their food.
So don't tell yourself that you can win, because, most likely, you can't. Set other goals that are not conflicting with winning(farm, k/d/a, warding, taking nashor, camping specific vulnerable enemy player), because games like this happen:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CL4wHvotF1g
As for the enemy team playing with their food, it happens too rarely to bother. Because when it happens, it often backfires hard.
Preata1 votesIt was a normals game, I lost nothing from losing. As for taking nashor, you have to be kidding me. Who is gonna come take it with me? I have two griefers following me, but I doubt they're gonna help. Other than that, I have an underfed adc and a top. You want an underfed jungle, an underfed adc, and a top laner to try and take baron? We have no mountain drakes, low DPS, and we are all MUCH weaker than our counterparts. We go to baron and get wiped, lose baron and fall even farther behind.
Preata1 votesThere is a BIG difference between inting and griefing. One puts the enemy ahead, the other forces your own team behind. I would choose an inter any day because they become worth no gold eventually and the enemy team will chase them for kda padding. Griefing is MUCH more harmful to a teams chance of winning
Mc Truck1 votesIt was a normals game, I lost nothing from losing. As for taking nashor, you have to be kidding me. Who is gonna come take it with me? I have two griefers following me, but I doubt they're gonna help. Other than that, I have an underfed adc and a top. You want an underfed jungle, an underfed adc, and a top laner to try and take baron? We have no mountain drakes, low DPS, and we are all MUCH weaker than our counterparts. We go to baron and get wiped, lose baron and fall even farther behind.
That might be right, finding the reachable goal is the challenge by itself. This is why it is going to improve you as a player.
Telephone Booth1 votesWhat do you mean "justified"? It's more just a matter of what you value more. You'll get whatever punishment the system gives either way. It's just a priority issue... and you're the only judge of that.
Preata1 votesI personally think that leaving in this case is justified, I just wanted to get the communities opinion so I can mention it in my support ticket.
zPOOPz1 votesThere are a couple of things to consider here.
For your personal penalty, if you have not been making a habit of afk-ing games, 1 afk game will not even give you a warning let alone LPQ so no worries about that. If you do have high leaver meter, then getting put into LPQ may not be worth it. Personal call.
For the trolls, if you leave game, you will lose the ability to report them after match. You can probably submit a support ticket there after, but the most surefire way is to report them after match and that means endure the game.
Personally, I would play the game out maybe go practice cs-ing. I main support so my cs-ing skill is pretty weak. Every troll game I play is a practice game for when I have to play another role, but that's just me. I would play the game out and report them after match, make sure to leave a descriptive details of what happened in the comment and submit a support ticket follow up. If it gets to the point that I can't even practice cs-ing, I would just stand in a safe spot, minimize League, go watch a youtube vid and make sure to move every 3,4 minutes so the client wont' force close. Yes, I will get hit with leavebuster even doing that, but I will not lose the ability to report them after match.
Preata1 votesI didn't get a leaverbuster, I'm not concerned about that. I stayed in the end game lobby so I was able to report after. I'm just wondering if my behavior is considered toxic, due to the circumstances. I've also submitted a support ticket on both of them.
Saezio1 votesWell 2 (or in this case 3) wrongs don't make a right. So Riot will never agree that it is ok to AFK in any situation. And I have to agree there were still 2 more people in the game that were NOT trolling. Just play with those 2, even if it is just to make sure they don't report you along with the trolls.
Preata1 votesI know I shouldn't AFK but I don't know what the correct solution here is. I can't do anything to stop them and the longer the game goes on, the further behind I fall, that's the issue with a premade starving me like that. Also it doesn't matter if I get an additional 2 reports (obviously the duo reported me) since the amount of reports doesn't increase the chance of a punishment.
Saezio1 votesI get the sentiment and i 100% understand it. But I think in these situations you need to keep playing even if only 1 more person wants to play. Start a /ff vote and if its not successful keep trying to play around the people that are still playing. The game won't drag too long anyway as a 3v7
Preata1 votesbut it's not a 3v7. our mid is open, our adc is trying to 1v2, im gimped and my mid/supp are gimping themselves to do so
Aryan MasterRage1 votesOf course it is. If the game is already ruined, what there is to do?
Preata1 votesThat's my reasoning. If I'm being starved by my own team, I'm effectively out of the game. Yet the two who are griefing are also crying the loudest for my permaban. I just wanted to get the community take on this, obviously Riot wants me to keep playing but there's zero chance of winning after this. They abandoned mid and bot to grief jungle. The only lane unaffected was top, we weren't winning at all.
HalcyonDweller1 votesI would submit a support ticket about the game, there's not much else you can do about it, maybe report them for griefing after the game.
I'm sorry you went through crap like that, nobody deserves that.
Preata1 votesI don't expect them to be punished. Riot doesn't punish gameplay, just chat. Which is why I said nothing, I'm not risking a chat ban for flaming griefers, that's how I lost my first account. God forbid someone at Riot does their job, they just let the automated system do everything for them.