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4cetk19Bmd··5 votes·2,042 views

I am not going to deny that i can be fairly toxic at times, but i have been trying to hardest to tone it down when it comes to this game due to me getting multiple perma bans on accounts. but i am trying my hardest to be reformed and in my eyes i believe i am some what reformed. but after coming back from a 14 day ban and being perma banned for this just really upsets me. in my eyes i was doing nothing wrong and i am still banned for thinking i am being reformed and it bothers me. and if i am in the wrong i would like it to be brought to my attention so i can figure this out. here is the text attached to my account.

Game 1 amr: gargas f amr: asssasin main? amr: LOL amr: nami why would you possibly need to be taking cs amr: orianan amr: learn to target. amr: no we didnt. amr: you all are attacking tanks amr: while im 2v1 with a adc and top laner. amr: how is me telling you common sense toxic mate? amr: ive died less then you? amr: why do you need every one. amr: i am in a call with jgler amr: muted amr: aboslute joke amr: no thanks amr: you are carrying remember? amr: carry me man. amr: im crying man amr: just pick me up amr: are you mad ori? amr: na amr: meh you tried. amr: its what matters. amr: idk where our "carry" was. amr: again amr: where is our "carry" amr: na amr: you and him decide to constatnly cs amr: while we fight amr: 0/9/18 amr: talking way to much mate amr: scroll up orianan amr: and ask yourself what you did wrong. amr: literally cant stand people like you. amr: "what did i do" i didnt do anything,. amr: np, amr: everytime i go in, orianna and nami run. amr: then after theey run and i die, start complaining. amr: no im good amr: im tired of grouping and you never following up amr: thats cool amr: sure do. amr: no thanks amr: i went for the adc, like i am suppused to. amr: what does you playing well have to do with you raging ori? amr: literally all you have stated is you have been doing good. amr: gg

37 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram16 votes

The problem here is this was your behavior literally the day after you got back from a 14-day ban. You were fresh off a penalty and jumped right into harassing teammates. You were going out of your way to taunt someone on your team. It became your primary form of entertainment in the game.

You basically proved early on that you were not going to change your behavior after your penalty.

If you would have actually muted like you said you did, nothing would have come of this.

4cetk19Bmd2 votes

i did mute them, hence the whole 30 minute game i typed about 26 times. i didnt type anything vulgar or offensive. only thing i see wrong is me critisising someones gameplay so we could win. im not sure what else you want me to do here. you are more then welcome to pull up my other chat logs from being banned and can clearly see im not being toxic. i stopped cursing, i stopped calling people morons, i stopped being toxic towrds people in general. how else is a team supposed to win without someone trying to get everyone together.

GoleBilon3 votes

The only possibility is to not communicate at all with your teammates after suspension then , because everything can be taken out of context and with your great policy " we dont reverse bans " and " manually reviewed " and we all know this manual review takes less than 5 seconds sometimes. But if it is the only possible way ( which i belive it is ) plz implement an option to turn off chat permamently. Dunno about you all but im suspended right now ( there is a thread about it understood my mistake thx to great summoner who helped me understand it better and why it was taken as negative) and im scared that i will see someone wish me cancer in a bad moment and i will respond to them.. System does not care about what will i do bad , it can be simple cuss word ( even to myself ) so if i can be banned for so many things let me save others from my "toxicity " and mute chat as well as pings. Its super annoying when smbd is "?" pinging you for 20 minutes , and i have no solution in this situation. Literally trapped in a game , cant go afk ( negative behavior ) , begging him to stop and play does not work , cant mute it. Just my little #PlzRito .

PS this chatlogs are deffo not permaban worthy , this guy was reported purely because of his in game performance or how others thought he did. You know it , i know it. He actually shown he wants to communicate with his teammates and find a way to be on the same page , guess you need to write it down as negative behaviour. Only thing he did which can be taken as negative is he typed smbds score. Still without context we cant know if he was actually toxic or he was proving a point. It's sad that riot does not care about those bans, and treat them all the same , yea we got an inter , rage quitter , guy who wished someone death , and a guy that was in a bad mood and was tilted by the game he was loosing.

LordGeovanni2 votes

He isnt even being toxic telling people what they are doing wrong so that they fix it and you can try to win the game isnt toxic its that communication that the support singed supposedly didnt provide enough of and got 14 day banned for.

Jo0o6 votes

This isn't something that would get you banned out of the blue, but Riot operates on a tier system of punishments. You would have been warned of this from your 14-day ban.

This entire log, while not abhorrent, is basically you berating and arguing with your teammates for an entire game. That's not okay. It triggered a punishment, and since your next step was a perma ban, away you go. Sorry.

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

Nope, not even remotely close. But it doesn't have to be permaban worthy. Once you've already reached the point where your next step is a permaban, any punishment whatsoever will trigger it.

4cetk19Bmd2 votes

but i wasn't being negative or toxic. so what could of triggered the ban? i feel as if my attempt at reforming myself is useless.

KVbqbFsC8e3 votes

You'd be surprised at what Riot and this community considers to be "toxic".

4cetk19Bmd2 votes

it already does amaze me. i was perma banned for that.

sirwaterfles1 votes

When you said muted that should have been the end. Just actually mute them all and shut up yourself. This is hard i know but the only way to keep that shit from going out of control. Y this game wasnt that bad and alone should not even merrit a chatrestriction but thats not the point. After a 14 day ban you are litterally on your last chance. Now you cant show any signs of negative behavior for the next weeks. I have a really good reallife friend who has the same complaints as you . 'how can this be enough for a perma" But he forgets all those disgusting, incredibly toxic chatloggs that he has gotten prior to get to this point.

TDLR; Getting perm is easy, getting actually noticed by the system is hard.

LordGeovanni1 votes

nothing in there waranted being punished at all it looks like he was punished because people reported him and he was punished before.

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

Yeah, but unsurprisingly Riot and this community believe that it was justified. I find it baffling.

Athina2 votes

You were harassing others and being passive aggressive all game. Once you pass the 14 day suspension, you are on incredibly thin ice with the system. This was plenty to push you over the edge.

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

can you tell me what i was harassing and what i said that could be taken that way.

Athina3 votes

amr: nami why would you possibly need to be taking cs amr: orianan amr: learn to target. amr: how is me telling you common sense toxic mate? amr: ive died less then you? amr: why do you need every one. amr: muted amr: aboslute joke amr: im crying man amr: are you mad ori? amr: na amr: meh you tried. amr: its what matters. amr: idk where our "carry" was. amr: again amr: where is our "carry" amr: 0/9/18 amr: talking way to much mate amr: scroll up orianan amr: and ask yourself what you did wrong. amr: literally cant stand people like you.

I'm sure the system would pick up on most of these select lines. You continue to insult the intelligence and skill of the players in question, which is unacceptable.

GoleBilon1 votes

its a little bit of salty talk , its not even negative , from lines you chose the only negative thing is that he typed smbds score which still without context cant be taken as negative.

" meh you tried , its what matters " How is this toxic ? i mean are you brain washed ? thats actually positive behaviour.

He asked nami in the most kind way to not take CS. If you want to witch hunt tell this guy that using " in a message was extremely toxic and is punishable , cmon he rly tries to be kind in those chatlogs and all you loook for is a way to call him toxic

MiriaJiyuu1 votes

There aren't time stamps so some of this may not have been said same time, I'm just going by context of the lines if i group them. I'm just saying why I would be offended by your chat assuming I hadn't muted you already for talking so much about stuff unnecessary to the game :P

amr: nami why would you possibly need to be taking cs' -> Relatively not toxic, but kind of a shitty way to say it. Could have just said 'Please don't take CS' No system will flag you for that. This was just icing on the cake compared to below however.

amr: learn to target. -> If you're going to tell someone they're doing something wrong, either tell them how to fix it, or phrase it in a way that come

amr: how is me telling you common sense toxic mate? <- Unnecessary implication of stupidity (IDC how stupid they are, just don't say it)

amr: ive died less then you? <-Probably the point you should have stopped

amr: muted <- not as bad as saying reported, just mute them silently and let them rage in the chat at you that you can't even see

amr: aboslute joke <- Again, unnecessary call out

amr: you are carrying remember? <- Not really toxic, but at this point it's like throwing gas on the fire

'amr: carry me man. amr: im crying man amr: just pick me up' <- This was more like just driving a gas truck in

amr: are you mad ori? <- Actually a pretty 'toxic' statement by most community standards.

amr: 0/9/18 <- They are aware of their score, remember that gas truck? You just added a tanker.

It's not so much any individual comment as opposed to an accumulation of all of them making you just look like a petty person who doesn't know when to stop typing. Teams that don't work together lose, and when 2/5 players are arguing, game is over, you may as well surrender, because the outcome is the same, and it would save you time.

Martensitic1 votes

How about calling it your "carry" all the time?

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

also this was a 30 minute game. i did not harass anyone passively for 30 minutes. not enough writing sorry.

BladeSteel1 votes

They give you 3 games where are the other two?

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

would you like a screenshot of me logging in and showing you that that is all i was given?

BladeSteel1 votes

They send you an email as well.

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

i checked my email, and never got one about the perma ban. how do i show you the screenshot?

BladeSteel1 votes

check your spam

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

nothing, im telling you i didnt get a email for the 14 day ban which was deserved in my opinion, nor the perma. what i was given is shown. now how do i show you the screenshot of my accounts message.

Sona Ping2 votes

This isn't about my opinion. No, your chat that isn't "bad", relatively speaking, and all that. But it makes sense.

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but i wasn't being negative or toxic. so what could of triggered the ban? i feel as if my attempt at reforming myself is useless.

I'll explain.

When a player consistently behaves in ways that violate the terms of use for the game a moderating action will be issued, such as a chat restriction. When a player continues to behave in that way, moderation escalates up a tier.

First is a 10 game chat restriction; strike one. Then is a 25 game chat restriction, strike two. After that, a 2 week ban which is strike three. As it goes in baseball "Strike three; your out."

At this point, the player has reached "Ban" status. Now they can keep playing the game, as much as they want, but they are not allowed to continue to act they way that they have been. If the player acts so that they violate the agreement again, when any one of their multiple violations that got them to the first tier and the multiple that got them to the second and so on, are grounds to terminate the agreement, the agreement and the associated account will be terminated.

On to your case: No, your chat that isn't "bad", relatively speaking. I probably wouldn't have reported you because I don't even notice chat that often. But none of that is relevant.

It doesn't even really matter what you did type in this one particular game at this point. I'll stress again: if you violate an agreement, the agreement is terminated. Due to many, repeated violations of your agreement, you reached a point where moderation stops overlooking it and considers following through and terminating the account.

You were free to play as much you wanted with no effect on you but once again you violated the agreement. It doesn't matter what you wrote, you were using the chat system not to coordinate with other player like it is supposed to be used for but abusing it to pick arguments with other. I'm supposing this was also the reason for the other punishments and when you demonstrated that you will continue to do this, moderation followed through with their part of the agreement and terminated the account.

GoleBilon2 votes

Man if it helps nothing i read in your chatlogs is toxic for me , would never report you for that and i would be more than happy to have a teammate that actually types smth more than "report XXXXXX " and " K*S" ... Sadly for you , riot will never reverse your ban , thats their policy and even tho you actually tried being better than before they dont care they will give you msg about how you are "0,00067% of most toxic players " because it would require work and time to diffrentiate guys spamming chat with deathtreats and you. Hope you will just lvl up new account and /mute all its not worth it after all

PrimeWraith1 votes

It's passive aggressive. Only little kids report for passive.

CrazyBear19871 votes

based on this? no.

but you had 5 other games, so either we are missing something or something has been left out.

your 14 day ban does not mean it's been reset, it means you are clear to play games and receive rewards.

any new behaviors would push you forward to the next punishment.

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

i dont get what you mean by there is 5 other games. this is what was given to me.

CrazyBear19871 votes

I looked at your match history and saw in December you had 6 games.

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

ahh, thats what you meant. if i had done anything wrong in those 5 matches i would have been listed.

CrazyBear19871 votes

not much as to say. send a support ticket to riot to clarify your ban.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Most of that is discussion he isnt insulting any one besides talking about game play which if you get insulted there thats your own business and are probally too insecure too be playing interactable games with other people over the internet especially in a competetive online game.

4cetk19Bmd1 votes

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Most of that is discussion he isnt insulting any one besides talking about game play which if you get insulted there thats your own business and are probally too insecure too be playing interactable games with other people over the internet especially in a competetive online game.

thank you, because that literally is what it was. we had a mid lane orianna carrying the hell out of us, but she would sit back and wait for almost everyone to die then come in to clean up kills. then after we would die she would harass us about dieing.

the weeaboo1 votes

If you got perms banned on multiple other accounts you should have learned your lesson then. Geez. Stop getting banned. It's not that hard. Damn. Just turn off you enter key already.

LordGeovanni1 votes

but then you would be refuseing to communicate and thats bannable

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