First time getting Banned for Retaliating against a Toxic Flamer. Please help me understand

THIS LISS THOUGH·May 15, 2017·2 votes·651 views

Hi Guys. I was recently banned for 14 days due to talking back to a toxic flamer. Long story short, I did use some curse/offensive words at him. I reported him after the game ended, and a few minutes after I got a notification saying I was banned for 14 days? I was never banned on this account before. I heard that you usually get some chat restrictions first, then banned for a few days? Somehow I skipped that and got the harsher punishment.. how's that possible?

Can someone explain this to me. Do riot employees manually ban people or does riot have its own script to ban people?

Thanks for your insights in advance

Edit: Chat Log (so you can see what I had to deal with, and this was after the game ended..)

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11 Comments

Scary DoorMay 15, 20173 votes

The saying "two wrongs don't make a right" applies here.

Someone harassing you doesn't mean you get to retaliate by being a jerk. Honestly, ask yourself this question, how does that help anyone?

EvilDustManMay 15, 20172 votes

Most people don't rage as much in response. It's up to you not to flame back. Mute right away, report, move on with your life.

ModThe DjinnMay 15, 20171 votes

Do you have your chat logs?

Immediate escalation to a 14-day ban is usually the result of encouragements to commit violence ("kill yourself" or "kys" being common reasons for bans), or derogatory language and/or hate speech. It's rare to see an escalation to that level without this language being present.

In short, certain behavior CAN occasionally trigger an escalated punishment. The normal pattern of punishment tiers is for casual toxicity that simply does not improve with each subsequent warning.

THIS LISS THOUGHMay 15, 20171 votes

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Do you have your chat logs?

Immediate escalation to a 14-day ban is usually the result of encouragements to commit violence ("kill yourself" or "kys" being common reasons for bans), or derogatory language and/or hate speech. It's rare to see an escalation to that level without this language being present.

In short, certain behavior CAN occasionally trigger an escalated punishment. The normal pattern of punishment tiers is for casual toxicity that simply does not improve with each subsequent warning.

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It depends on why exactly you were banned. Riot has a zero tolerance policy against racism and hate speech. It's very well possible you used something like that alot in that game, so you should be rather happy you didn't get perma'd yet.

I'd recommend /mute all at the start of your games for the next 500 games and/or 6 months

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This was the level of toxicity I had to face with in game. A normal human being wouldn't simply just mute before retaliating. I retaliated because I had to defend my pride. I told him to kill himself and AFK. That was nothing compared to what he's said to me. If you take a look at my match history, you can see that I don't troll. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=thislissthough

He was intent feeding for a while and my whole team called him out on it. He then started flaming me and that's when I lost it.

I'm just wondering if a Riot employee actually banned me or if this was done automatically by Riot?

ModThe DjinnMay 15, 20175 votes

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First point of order -- there is a "no name and shame" policy on the forums. You should remove the images in question, or block out the names of all players save your own.

This was the level of toxicity I had to face with in game.

I can see that is frustrating, yes. But I needed to see YOUR chat logs, not what another player said.

A normal human being wouldn't simply just mute before retaliating.

A lot of us do, actually. I've been playing since Pre-Season 1, and I've done exactly that on any number of occasions.

I told him to kill himself

This will get you an escalated ban, yes. Almost every time.

I'm just wondering if a Riot employee actually banned me or if this was done automatically by Riot?

I'm not certain, but either one would have had the same result if you told another player to kill him/herself.

Now, let's get to the two points that may be able to help you in the future.

I retaliated because I had to defend my pride.

WHY? No one in the game cares. It won't make him stop. It will make others thing you can't control yourself and HAVE to stoop to his level. It puts your account in danger, shows he got to you, and shows that he won -- he trolled you into damaging your own account's standing.

Mute, ignore, move on. Some people suck -- we're lucky that League is a place where we can often ignore them.

That was nothing compared to what he's said to me.

And I definitely hope he gets punished. But this isn't a justification for making the game MORE toxic for everyone. When you respond to toxicity WITH toxicity, you just get MORE toxicity. You are judged by what you choose to type, and how you choose to act -- not by what others are doing around you. There is ALWAYS the option to simply not type anything back.

BansheenoirMay 15, 20172 votes

Remove the names. Riot stated that "naming and shaming" is not allowed.
By the gist of it, you ARE also toxic if other players are calling for YOUR report.
Defend your pride? Take a seat dude, everyone is responsible for their words in a chat log as everyone is a captive audience the moment you say something.
Even if this was an automated ban, you really must have said something unacceptable to warrant a ban instead of chat restriction.

Conclusion: You brought this to yourself, GG

OnlyYouCanHearMeMay 15, 20171 votes

If it happened within just a few minutes of the match ending, it was due to the Instant Feedback System. If you try to log back in to the client, it should show you a Reform Card with your chat logs. You should also be sent an email with a copy of the logs. The Reform Card is only issued by the IFS, so if you ever see someone end up banned for toxicity, but they don't have a Reform Card on their client, they were likely banned manually.

ChønklordMay 15, 20171 votes

He's asking for the logs that show up when you log in to your account (reform card). It has an easy copy-paste function.

Who is TaliyahMay 15, 20171 votes

It depends on why exactly you were banned. Riot has a zero tolerance policy against racism and hate speech. It's very well possible you used something like that alot in that game, so you should be rather happy you didn't get perma'd yet.

I'd recommend /mute all at the start of your games for the next 500 games and/or 6 months

OnlyYouCanHearMeMay 15, 20171 votes

From Deep Terror Nami on ban procedures:

Punishments are done by escalating through 4 tiers;

10 game chat restriction

25 game chat restriction

14 day account ban

Permanent account ban

Players that exhibit extremely toxic behavior, such as for using hate speech or urging someone to harm themselves, may be escalated multiple tiers. Otherwise you typically move up one step at a time, moving to the next punishment if you continue showing negative behavior. Gameplay offenses, such as intentional feeding, do not get chat restrictions; they move to the account ban steps.

Currently, most behavioral offenses and things like intentional feeding are handled by the Instant Feedback System. It does not require a Riot staff member to manually enter in the bans. It's the system that is responsible for scanning the logs of every single game that is reported. It's very efficient, and works much faster at reviewing matches than Riot staff members could. However, Rioters are able to do a manual review of an account and issue punishments if needed.