Honor System Rewards

Gone Lethal·Oct 1, 2017·2 votes·1,140 views

Well today I received my second Honor capsule and I was deeply and I mean deeply disappointed. I have been a Honor Level 5 for 2 months or a bit more and within those two months just recently got my first capsule containing 5 key fragments and a Champion SHARD for Nasus, a 1350 Ip or 585 RP. Before the capsule reward, I had received 2 rewards since the Honor Update, containing a message "this is for being sportsmanlike" and giving me 2 key fragments. I can't begin to tell you how annoying this is, A WHOLE KEY NEEDS 3 not 2 but 3 key fragments to make and you can't get key fragments after a game when you get A or S grade anymore. So in 3 months I have received 3 Hextech keys (9 key fragments) and 2 champion shards worth 1350 Ip or 585 Rp. The Honor System/Update was release 6/30/17 and now is 10/01/17. When you create a rewarding system and it takes this long to receive it, then you are just pushing people to spend money on keys since you cant earn them anymore. Now, you earn a chest every 6 days and if you get 1 Hextech key a month then you have 4 Hextech boxes you have obtain but you cant open them so what do you do?, YOU BUY KEYS WITH REAL MONEY. I understand they have made a bit an improvement recently here [http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/honor-capsule-update-delivers-new-drop-rate] but that was more then 2 weeks ago. AS you can see it says:

You have a chance to earn an Honor Capsule with every key fragment drop. Your chances for getting an Honor Capsule double each week as you play games. You’re guaranteed an Honor Capsule within two months. Your drop rate resets after getting a capsule. You can only earn one capsule every three weeks.

Riot knows that people will go 2 MONTHS without receiving a Honor Capsule, sure the drop rate will reset after getting one but why cant there be a time like when my next chest is available, win of the day or rerolls for Aram. I feel like I have to make sure to write it down and stick it on my fridge or monitor to keep track. Why couldn't it make it where You're guaranteed a Honor capsule once a month and a Key fragment drop through out that month since you can EARN 5 Hextech chest available in one month and we can buy some keys for the rest or wait for the next reward. If Riot wanted to have more positive and engaging community I would reward them a bit better so they continue and affect others not forcing them to spend more money because they don't know when they are going to receive their next reward. I love league but this has me mad because I thought their objective was to encourage and make players feels like their sportsmanlike and positive actions are rewarded by good rewards if not, a constant decent rewards. I also cant believe the Honor Capsules has chances to drop STUFF YOU ALREADY OWN, I cant simply be the only one that doesn't like this system or how it is almost forcing people to spend more money since you could earn key fragments before not just by some random chance of a drop. I just hope that the End of Season Honor Rewards are not just simply Honor Capsules or little summoner icons so let's looks towards that at least and I hope someone has agreed or had better experiences with this I feel like being positive,engaging and reporting is not worth it or encourage. I would love to hear your thoughts even if its one person. my twitter is @gonelethal or Lethal Punch summoner name or just write a response here

17 Comments

Umbral RegentOct 2, 20171 votes

Just wanna point a few things out here;

and you can't get key fragments after a game when you get A or S grade anymore.

This was never the prerequisite for getting Key Fragment drops. Before the Honor Rework, Key Fragments would randomly drop from matches where your team won, not where you got an A or S grade. The only thing tied to grades are Champion Mastery Tokens (requiring S-, S, or S+ for Mastery 6 Tokens, and S, or S+ for Mastery 7, alongside some other prerequisites), and Hextech Chests (requiring S-, S, or S+ on Champions you have yet to earn a chest on for the season).

With the Honor Rework, Key Fragment drops are now tied to your Honor Level, and drop sporadically in the client, no longer requiring players to win matches to earn Key Fragments. This also means that the Key Fragment drops can't be influenced by having a premade group (which they were in the old system), so (and anyone who knows about this, please correct me if I'm wrong) the new Key Fragment drop rate was changed somewhat so as to make Key Fragments drop in a reliable trickle for anyone and everyone. (above Honor Level 0, anyway.)

then you are just pushing people to spend money on keys since you cant earn them anymore.

I dunno about you, but my Key Fragment drops have been pretty generous since the Honor System was reworked - which, up 'til now, left me with more keys than I had chests until I started working on it. The whole Hextech Chest/Key thing is kind of there with a strong balance anyway; players can either work hard in-game to earn their Chests and play with sportsmanlike behavior to earn their Keys, or they can work hard out-of-game to buy their Chests and Keys, regardless of skill or Honor.

Not to mention, players who lack the ability to meet the requirements for S ranks can actually piggyback on skilled players, since, you can get a Hextech Chest even if you don't get an S rank, provided at least one teammate in your premade scores one.

Which, altogether, means that the system is available for those who are skilled, unskilled, sportsmanlike or neutral-players, and folks with and without money. It's not a scheme, it's a balanced system.

I also cant believe the Honor Capsules has chances to drop STUFF YOU ALREADY OWN,

This...Isn't new, though. It's been the case with Hextech Chests before it, and a number of other Hextech Crafting Containers. Which, that's basically what an Honor Capsule is; a Hextech Chest with no lock, and the added potential to reward players with Medieval Twitch and Grey Warwick.

That being said, though, this is a concern many players in the community have - Champion Shard/Permanent duplicates cluttering up their inventories, or otherwise being a general waste. And, Riot is working as best they can on solutions to Champion Shard clutter, one solution they've found being the Blue Essence Store that'll open sometime during Pre-Season 2018.

I just hope that the End of Season Honor Rewards are not just simply Honor Capsules or little summoner icons

I'm afraid I was uninformed on this section of the response, so, do consider the below that I've marked off with strikethrough to be unreliable information.

I was mistaken in saying that End-of-Season Honor Rewards were one-in-the same with End-of-Season Ranked Rewards, as it had been a while since reading the Honor FAQ. Though, I'm thankful for The Archive for catching me on this - and I hope that the majority of the struckthrough information after the first paragraph is at least correct.

Just to clarify, the "End of Season Honor Rewards" aren't honor-exclusive rewards, they're they End-of-Season Ranked rewards. Boards profile emblems, in-game Ranked Loading Screen Borders and Summoner Icons, and, for those Gold V and up, the exclusive Victorious Skin (and in team-queues, special ward skins, if I'm not mistaken).

To reiterate; Honor Rewards - (Honor Level 2+) Key Fragment drops, (Honor Level 3+) Blue Honor Flair eligibility, access to End-of-Season Ranked rewards, and chance to earn Honor Capsules, (Honor Level 4+) Violet Honor Flair eligibility, (Honor Level 5) Amber Honor Flair eligibility.

~~End-of-Season Rewards - (Silver+) Division-Specific Loading Screen Border, Boards Emblem, Summoner Icon, (Gold+) Victorious Skin, (Gold+ Team-Queues*) Victorious Ward Skin~~

*Don't quote me on it, it's been a while since I've looked at the Ranked Season Rewards page and I only started into Ranked Solo Queue for the Victorious skin, so - those out there with the info, do please correct me if I'm wrong, or add more information if need-be.

The ArchiveOct 2, 20172 votes

Actually, both the honor faq and the honor update page both list end of season honor rewards.

"Also, Honor-exclusive loading screen flairs let others know when you’ve received honors from teammates and you’ll unlock even more rewards at the end of the season."

Umbral RegentOct 2, 20171 votes

Ah, thank you very much for correcting me on that; I'll update my initial comment to reflect it.

Gone LethalOct 2, 20171 votes

Hello Umbral Regent, first I want to thank you for just replying, it means a lot to me.

To you first point, I was wrong not to point that out i that you could earn key fragments upon winning before the Honor Update and you didn't have to get ( A,S-, S, or S+) but that was the only way I got keys. Either way you are right there but key fragments are now just random no matter what, you dont know when you will receive them. Like I said I have only receive 2 of those key fragments before the Honor Capsule for being Honor Level 5.

Second Point, I do I agree that people of all kinds can do this but I cant simply just accept a system that doesn't have consistency with rewards. I have had 2 key fragment drops total of 4 and plus 5 I got from the capsule and that is 9 fragments in the range of 3 months, that is insane. Maybe it is just different amount of keys people get but I haven't got ban or reported to my knowledge so I don't know if those would be something that effects it. I sometimes feel like I have to buy keys because I would work hard on my hextech chest instead of spending money and I would be beyond short.

Third Point- That is a way to look at capsules just being a hextech chest with no key but with the wait I had and not to mention that Riot knows people would go out for 2 months with no REWARD, might as well not give me duplicates. I have some concern on the Blue essence store not the Idea turning IP to blue essence but the store and if you were to look at it that way where capsules are hextech chest then it is just a free guarantee hextech chest every 2 months then that is not worth for some that actually don't hurt the community.

Lastly, here [http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/honor] at the very bottom, click the 2017 circle before key fragments it saids :

Just like Ranked, Honor grants exclusive rewards at season's end for those who put the work in. Details to come later this year. We're gunning hard to get this fundamental reboot of Honor live for you in patch 7.13. The renewed Honor will be a pillar for League of Legends long after you first get to play with it, and there are many more additions to come to the system in the months ahead. We're excited to get this into your hands, listen to what you think, and build on this foundation with you.

If they are going to promise something and dont say something or reward something different and better then what we are receiving then it feels like a slap to the face.

I honestly haven't been rewarded that great, sure I don't NEED to spend money but It surely feels that I HAVE to spend money because I'm earning 5 hextech chest a month (since you have 1 available ever 6 days) and I have received 3 hextech key (9 key fragments) throughout 3 months. It is simply a system you cant sort of control WHEN since before you could earn them more efficient and for didn't feel like expending money unless it is an event.

Thanks Umbral Regent for the reply, keep them coming if you have more you want to discuss about. I simply feel like crap when you are a nice, sportsmanlike player and their is a system and doesn't kinda recognize you for it, well at least to what it should be.

MinardeOct 2, 20171 votes

you could earn key fragments before not just by some random chance of a drop

Not in any practical or realistic manner. Winning games only gave you a random chance to get a key fragment drop, scaling down based on how many fragments you'd already gotten in some invisible 30-day window.

So in 3 months I have received 3 Hextech keys (9 key fragments)

Presumably, fragment drop rate still scales with games played. In that same timeframe, I've gotten 33 fragments, which is about as much as I was getting before the change.

Gone LethalOct 2, 20171 votes

I have played 90 percent of the last 3 months if not everyday. I have gotten 4 key fragments and that is no joke, that's why i have such problem with this. It would be a bit better if you get more but I haven't. It feels like I'm being force to buy them with money because is so little that I have receive compare to the amount i could get before and even wasn't that easy to get them. Hope you can look at all my history in the last 3 months because its bull crap.

ModPeriscopeOct 2, 20171 votes

Ya I got a teemo shard on my first capsule drop. I'll point out that you can get three shards and reroll them into a champ that you don't own.

Gone LethalOct 2, 20171 votes

Thanks for the reply, very true, you can reroll 3 champion shards into 1 permanent champion you don't own but you see there is two problems. First,have to wait a random time to get a honor capsule, at max 2 months like me and receive 5 key fragments and 1 champion shard Nasus worth 1350 IP or 585 Rp. Second, you can buy champion shards for 1700 IP or 195 RP and that has no honor system attachment.

ModPeriscopeOct 2, 20171 votes

I guess, you're complaining about stuff we get for free. Free stuff means less profit for Riot. They talked about this when they discussed the runes update and the refunds towards runes and rune pages. I did find it laughable when I got the Teemo shard, but it still has value, either for people who don't own all the champs, or for the shop that will eventually open up at the beginning of next season.

Gone LethalOct 2, 20171 votes

I don't have all champions and I don't have all skins, I buy hextech chest from time to time but the problem is that you can earn a hextech chest but to open it you need hextech keys or 3 key fragments to make a whole key. These fragments used to be earn-able randomly by winning games before this honor system so when they make them only a certain limit they are controlling sort of in a way how many you get.I time to time feel that i HAVE to spend MONEY because I'm being rewarded enough even though I'm honor level 5 and waited for 2 months for the honor capsules.I have been a player since early 2013 with the account GoneLethal and two other accounts I switch from time to time. I certainly love riot and he game, being that said they are are not invulnerable from criticism about their game. I certainly love getting free stuff or earning stuff but when you get 3 hextech keys 2 champion shards Master Yi and Nasus in the long span of 3 months since the system been out it is completely disappointing. this system is not bad in the eyes of new players but you can get the likes of Teemo Master Yi and Nasus in a week of playing league then just waiting 3 months but if the capsules that you wait that long dont have good rewarding then Im going to point it out. Im a player that doesnt harass, have bad attitude or just straight damage the community and they have made a system to reward that and its not good, I want to speak out and see if other have this.

ModPeriscopeOct 2, 20171 votes

I had to log in to see how my keys to chest ratio was doing. Don't cry, but it's 0 chests to 8 keys. This season, I've gotten 31 chests (How did I get that Azir one? Oh right, ARURF). I don't know if it's fair to equate my problem with yours, because there have been weeks where I have had max chests, and I probably had keys at the end of the last season. But overall, this ratio should be consistent for both of us, right? My brother has run into the same problem you have, but I don't know what his ratio is.

Bottom line, I don't (currently) have the same issue with keys that you do.

As for the champ shards, I guess it'd be nice if they lean more towards champs we don't have, but having them drop solely champs we don't have cheapens the work put in by Riot for those champs.

Gone LethalOct 2, 20171 votes

I recommend from being passive aggressive because this is a discussion with that being said, this is more about recently where you can't earn fragment keys after a win before. I try to get every chest and I got 4 or 5 most of the time but since this change im being force to buy them which wasn't so much the case. If they made the capsule more frequent or perhaps champion shards that you have that would be great. For skins I think its different since you cant simply earn them in anyway, only buy them with money and I that is great to have Riot Games make insane profit so they can further improve the game. My Ratio is terrible and I want an answer why, I simply want to know if players like myself deserve to wait 2 months for something can be obtain in a week. That is my point of view and is great to have different but I simply cant accept it being sort of force to pay to not wait for 2 months, specially when fragment drops only contain 2 LOL.

ModPeriscopeOct 6, 20171 votes

Just got another honor capsule.

Nunu shard, 3 key fragments.

Why give me 3 frags instead of just a key>.>

OnlyYouCanHearMeOct 2, 20171 votes

I wish I had kept track of how many key fragments I had actually gotten over the season, since the new Honor system went live, as I'm curious as to whether it was more or less than before. I suspect it has been a fairly high amount for me, perhaps 20 key fragments. Out of all of my friends, I had one of the lowest number of Honor Capsules, being the last one of our team to actually get one, and one of my friends had already had 4 before I got that one. Since that time, I've gotten a second Capsule. I'd actually been meaning to post a thread with a poll asking people about the sorts of things they had gotten in the capsules, as I'm curious if the amount of honor a player had on the old system had any effect on how likely they were to get one of the two Honor exclusive skins.

It seems a bit interesting that people tend to get champion shards for things that they already own. I suppose that wouldn't bother me too much; I've owned all champions for a very long time, and have over 630 skins, so pretty much any chest/capsule is going to have a very high chance of being something I own unless it's got some clause saying it will be something I don't already own. I usually just disenchant them for essence if I have something in Loot to unlock, or reroll 3 together. I've been saving up a ton of essence for the Blue Essence Store!

One thing I have noticed recently, in many of the events, they have had a way to use the leftover event material to purchase key fragments. Which, while there isn't always an event running, they have been happening very frequently. The Riven/Yasuo event and Worlds both have the option. I believe the Arcade Boss event did as well. So, that is also an option for players who don't want to buy RP, but would like to unlock the chests that they have. If you have a little bit of extra event stuff, buy some key fragments with it, as it just disappears from inventory after a certain date anyway.

Gone LethalOct 2, 20172 votes

Hello VentressRedeemed, Thanks for the input. This is very interesting, I had someone tell me they have received 33 key fragments compare to my 9 since the Honor update. It wouldn't bother me if it was a bit more constantly with the Honor capsules or key fragments but for me it hasn't. It's all random which I don't like since they are levels in this system and it feels like there is no difference from a level 4 to level 5. I been meaning to submit a ticket and ask if there is something wrong with my account or if this is how it suppose to be just random. Thanks I found your reply interesting because I usually buy the champion shard for 1700 because I dont all champs and its faster that way then waiting for the capsule. I dont mind if you get skin shard that you own because you cant earn those, you have to pay with RP or lucky enough to get them from a hextech chest you have bought or earn.

OnlyYouCanHearMeOct 3, 20171 votes

There does seem to be quite a bit of variation to things. If I knew what section of the Board to put the poll in, I would go ahead and make a poll, just to try and get some anonymous data to run some statistics on what is really dropping as far as keys/capsules.

It you don't mind, I do have a bit of a suggestion for you on getting the champions. If you've already unlocked all the champions that you really, really want, start to unlock the other champions with IP (or blue essence, once the system switches at preseason) beginning with the cheapest champions first. It was how I unlocked all of mine, and it actually makes the process go fairly quickly, but it has another advantage. To buy three of the shards is 5100 IP, but that is still cheaper than the cost of a 6300 IP champion (or 7800 the first week they come out). If you start from the bottom, you will be able to buy the others, and then get to a point where you just buy shards and then reroll them. Or, if you end up getting a champion shard in a capsule/chest, you can simply purchase one or two shards, and you are at 3400 IP, which is cheaper than all of the 4800 IP champions. I don't remember if they said anything about the champion shards for next season, if they would be changing or not. Did you happen to hear about them?

One thing to keep in mind, they will be changing the prices for the champions coming up, so some of the champs you may be looking at getting will be getting a bit cheaper for you! You can look at this article on the Support site to get an idea on the schedule. There are no exact dates, but you can at least see whether the ones you want are going to be reduced soon, or if it's far enough away to not bother waiting.

Gone LethalOct 5, 20171 votes

VentressRedeemed I appreciate it a lot, I was giving a link to where I can make another discussion where developers might see it and give some of my feedback on this whole situation.I did have a poll but it was on another board, Im quite new to making discussions here, never kinda had issues with things with riot till now. I dont have all champions and yes, they will be switching to the blue essence and also a store is going to be up to use all that Ip-blue essence but that is another concern I have with it. This is a whole issue with how long it has taken for me to receive a Honor capsule and as well how little you get key fragments. Like I have said in the post, I have received 3 hextech keys (9 key fragments) in a 3 month period and 2 capsules with champions that I have own already that were worth 1350 Ip or 585 Rp. As you can see someone else in this dicussion has said they had receive 11 hextech keys (33 key fragments) which is insane to what I have receive, it is completely random and who knows if that person is a level lower then me, Honor Level 5 or he could be just be lying. Like I said, I will be making another post on a different board and hopefully I can get somethings answered or something because this is crazy dumb.