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Vote Kick in Champion Select (Ranked)

tonguekiss·Dec 21, 2015·4 votes·734 views

I'm sure there have been other threads on this, but I'd like to re-highlight the issue as we approach the start of another season. It would be greatly beneficial to ranked gameplay if there was a vote-kick/vote-disband option during champion select. People's biggest pet peeve is trolling, and trolling happens at all elos.

If someone decides to troll (e.g. picks a champion in a role that greatly reduces your chances of winning, or tells the team that they are going to feed/afk/disconnect/etc...) then a four man vote should be enough to kick them and force them to dodge the game. There can even be a dialog box to keep track of the reasons for the kick vote so that these pre-game reports can be tallied and monitored by Riot.

Another prime example would be someone using explicit, racist, or hostile/abusive language throughout champion select. Why should one of the reasonable players be punished because of a "toxic" individual? A four man vote to kick that player and disband the game would be excellent and would lead to higher quality solo queue games.

This type of system would begin to isolate players who are not beneficial to the ranked community. They would be forced to either change their ways or play other game-modes.

17 Comments

Deep Terror NamiDec 21, 20156 votes

If someone decides to troll (e.g. picks a champion in a role that greatly reduces your chances of winning

So people that play off-meta or simply unpopular picks can get removed from the group and punished by Riot? Picking something the others don't like isn't a reportable offense. There would also be the problem of 4-man dynamic groups bullying the 5th; currently 4 people have no more weight in their reports than 1 does so they can't abuse that, but if they have the power of judge, jury and executioner then that is a whole new level of things we can't allow.

tonguekissDec 21, 20151 votes

Four people have the ability to vote for surrender at 20 minutes. There's a difference between playing something unpopular and something that leaves your team at a severe disadvantage. Yes, the team should have the right to vote kick a player whose pick/attitude impacts all of their ranked mmr. I don't know where you're seeing these "4 man dynamic groups bullying the 5th player" but since season 3 I've only seen this in normals, and this proposition is for ranked only.

Deep Terror NamiDec 21, 20152 votes

Dynamic Queue is going to be the grouping system for Ranked next season. It's replacing Solo/Duo so that you can queue with as many people as you want.

As for you choosing what other people play, if you want to do that then you should captain a Ranked Team with people who are willing to accept your demands. You have no power over their picks otherwise.

tonguekissDec 21, 20151 votes

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah if a system was implemented it would need to account for that as I can see the concern for abuse.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 21, 20152 votes

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So people that play off-meta or simply unpopular picks can get removed from the group and punished by Riot? Picking something the others don't like isn't a reportable offense. There would also be the problem of 4-man dynamic groups bullying the 5th; currently 4 people have no more weight in their reports than 1 does so they can't abuse that, but if they have the power of judge, jury and executioner then that is a whole new level of things we can't allow.

I'll take the risk of that just for the option to kick champ select trolls from ranked because it happens WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too often.

Deep Terror NamiDec 21, 20152 votes

Even in high Silver I didn't see many intentional troll picks, and matches were significantly better by mid-Gold. I'm sure around Bronze it's an issue, but probably more often it's just because they don't know what they're doing.

Actual trolls will get what's coming to them if people remember to report them, but punishing people before they've even done anything wrong is just immoral (like, I had an Olaf ADC once. with the opportunity the group would've punished him before we even started, but it was actually a good match and we won and he didn't troll).

tonguekissDec 21, 20152 votes

You're making a lot of assumptions. It would require four people to vote. KoreanADC aka Ryan Choi used to play Rengar ADC. 3 people might vote kick him, but one search on op dot gg and you'd see their match history. If that "olaf adc" went 0/10 in his last 5 games, yeah, I'd vote kick him. If he had a solid kda and most importantly won, then there wouldn't be a reason to vote kick him.

Deep Terror NamiDec 21, 20152 votes

I'm not a jerk, so I don't vet my teammates in a random match. Your idea seems extremely discriminatory, and this is not something I think Riot could morally back. If someone is feeding then there is already a system in place to ban them; players don't need additional and specific power on top of that which can be easily abused.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 21, 20151 votes

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Even in high Silver I didn't see many intentional troll picks

What year was this in (lol)? S2 was easily the worst division I came across this in bar none in 2015.

Deep Terror NamiDec 21, 20151 votes

/shrug

Lucky me. Or my negativity bias is weak.

Awkward CouchDec 21, 20152 votes

Well I see two big problems with this suggestion

I like to play off meta champs, or champs in different roles. One of my favorites is playing Rammus top lane (with my rammus hat on my head I might add). This would only increase the chances for enforcing a meta. You want to play AD Malz jungle? Well vote to kick. I'm not saying this will happen, it is just very possible that it would.
This has very high abuse potential. Voting to kick is just because you can, it is almost guaranteed to happen. Especially with having more than 2 people the ability to duo que this upcoming season, IIRC.

As far as the racist/ homophobic language, if I see that in pre game chat, I'll just block that player.

TLDR: whlie it would be nice, it just has too much potential for abuse.

tonguekissDec 21, 20151 votes

Rammus top and even Malz jungle I don't see getting kicked. I mean, it's hard enough to get a team to 4 man vote surrender when you're down 20 kills at 20 minutes, I think getting 4 people to kick a player would typically happen in situations that warrant it.

I don't think 4 people would vote to kick a rammus top. If someone said "i'm going AD Malz Jungle" then yeah, that probably warrants a kick because it's leaving your team at a severe disadvantage. That stuff really has no place in ranked; that's what normals are for.

Awkward CouchDec 21, 20152 votes

I've gotten threatened with reports for Rammus top before. Never got punished for it, but none the less.

One of the favorite lanes I've done with friends is Rengar Mao bot. Mao roots them and then Rengar comes from the bush and just kills everyone. Again it's one of those "put your team at a disadvantage" but it works.

I think what I have a problem with is that it really enforces the idea of having a meta. Let me be clear, I mean meta champs, not necessarily lanes. If I wanted to play AP teemo bot, not as support but instead of ADC, I would most likely be kicked.

The other problem is with dynamic que replacing duo que, you can have up to 4 people you are playing ranked with. You and your friends could just kick whomever off because, well, you can. I'm not saying you personally would do that,I'm just pointing out the potential abuse.

Actually AD Malz jungle used to be really broken (might still be) because his crab did 100 percent AD damage. Build and IE and that little sucker would hit like a truck without tower diving.

That stuff really has no place in ranked; that's what normals are for.

I actually really disagree with you there. Doing things off meta can really put people in an uneasy position. Pulling out a champ that people don't see often, they will not necessarily know how to play against that. For example, old Sion, RIP, used to get increased crit and attack damage and sort of worked like how grasp of the undying works now. I would pull him out all the time in ranked because people didn't know how to play against it. This gave me an easy lane, and often times the game.

I've seen things like AP Sona top stomp lanes. That may be something that you don't think has a place in Ranked, but at the end of the day, a win is a win.

tonguekissDec 21, 20151 votes

If you see my above comment I actually mention Ryan Choi's Rengar ADC. In this day and age there are so many resources like op dot gg that you can see their match history. Also if you're in a duo, you would never have to worry about having 4 vote against you haha.

Awkward CouchDec 21, 20151 votes

The Ryan Choi comment wasn't up when I was writing my response. RIP. My bad man.

You are right, you can to go na.op.gg and check out match history etc. but I don't know how much good that does. I mean I have a lot of games on Thresh, Leona, Rammus, Mundo, Sion (still my fav) but that just tells you the champs that I play a lot. My personal op.gg history can tell you that I don't play much mid, but that doesn't mean I don't play it at all. To me, all that you can get out of sites like op.gg is just how much has a person played X champ. And even then that doesn't really tell me much because they could be playing a smurf.

And while I know you are joking about the last sentence, I shouldn't have to rely on a duo to prevent from being kicked. :/

LF AnnieDec 21, 20152 votes

poor uneducated sap doesn't know 5 man premade soloQ is next season.

Makior72Dec 21, 20151 votes

I suggested a system like this a while back and people still shot it down, I thought it was a fair system though.

My idea was basically the same as yours, except with the limitation that people could only initiate a vote to kick ONE TIME per 24 hour period. That way potential abuse in the system could be mitigated and people would be encouraged to save their kick for the day for an actual troll, rather than someone playing an off meta champion.

Edit: To build on your suggestion, after so many kicks by other players riot should have a system in place to automatically scan for troll / toxic behavior by looking for anything along the lines of "I'm going to feed" or your choice of insulting words.

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