its as simple as i am guys.
the reports are only taken seriously when atleast 2 or more people report. regaurdless if you are right or wrong, the bans work in favour of how many ppl reported said person. pretty simple huh? so gang up wit ur mates and report everyone!!!
viva la revolution
RiotRiot Tantram25 votesthe reports are only taken seriously when atleast 2 or more people report. regaurdless if you are right or wrong, the bans work in favour of how many ppl reported said person.
I'm happy to shed some light on this.
It only takes 1 report for a game to be reviewed. Punishments (for verbal types) are based entirely on the contents of YOUR chat.
Getting reports beyond 1 does not increase the chance or speed of a game being reviewed. So, the next time you encounter that player spewing off hate speech, just mute them and report them after. There is no reason to ask other players to report them.
CloudHalo991 votesHey Tantram, I think I was wrongfully chat restricted. I had a bad game and my teammates were bashing me all game long, even the other team was sitting there flaming me, I don't think I was in the wrong for being pushed to that kind of anger, they instigated me to that and I don't think its quite fair for me to be chat restricted for being pushed, I can't say I was in the wrong, and I hope you'd agree with me because being flamed isn't fun, and when everyone is doing it, it becomes an anger fest, thanks.
GaleWinUnleashed7 votesWhether you were provoked or not, you still lowered yourself to that level and fired back. The best way to deal with it is to ignore them completely.
CloudHalo991 votesYeah I'd like to see you be able to hold back when almost everyone in the game is bashing you, ignore them you say, ROFL, without them muted, because I was trying to be a team player, I couldn't have, it just wasn't possible, when you get that angry you can't just stay quiet. If you say you can I don't believe you, and I know if you were in my situation that game you would have done the same thing.
GaleWinUnleashed8 votesIt's really quite easy; just don't type. Think what you want, shout at the computer screen, throw things across the room if you must, just don't respond in chat.
Letting your emotions take over and drown your rational thoughts is never a good thing. I made the decision years ago to never let anger control my actions. If I type something, it's only after examining my emotional state and making the conscious decision to send the message.
CloudHalo991 votesAlrighty, well I'd like to ask you to go away, kindly, I didn't ask for your comments, I asked for Tantram's, thank you.
Nik Nikerson11 votesYou don't get to dictate who responds to your posts. It's a public forum.
Also, the if you get any official response it's going to be, "Everyone is responsible for their own behavior, and someone else being toxic isn't an excuse for you to be toxic.", as that's Riot's stance on the matter.
Photos of Ghosts3 votesNo thanks, we're not going away.
scazzman1 votesIt's really quite easy; just don't type. Think what you want, shout at the computer screen, throw things across the room if you must, just don't respond in chat.
Letting your emotions take over and drown your rational thoughts is never a good thing. I made the decision years ago to never let anger control my actions. If I type something, it's only after examining my emotional state and making the conscious decision to send the message.
then they need to remove chat. otherwise. it's like starving a dog, and then holding a steak in front of it. and then punishing them for trying to eat the steak
ModPrandine1 votesthen they need to remove chat. otherwise. it's like starving a dog, and then holding a steak in front of it. and then punishing them for trying to eat the steak
No, there's no need to remove a feature just because a select few choose to abuse it in a negative fashion. Riot's stance has always been to remove the people who abuse features to be jerks rather than the actual features themselves. If someone can't or won't control themselves enough to not constantly take the time to type out rage filled posts in the chat then that's on them, not Riot.
Also, your analogy doesn't work in this case since the people in question often know what will happen if they negatively abuse features constantly and just don't care. Riot doesn't punish people who use features in-game, they punish those who use them to constantly create a negative environment for those around them instead. If chatting is an issue for you then just move the chat box to where it's no longer visible to you on your screen.
Zielmann5 voteswithout them muted, because I was trying to be a team player
This has always seemed a weak argument to me. In my experience, players who are so negative in chat that I feel compelled to mute them will rarely, if ever, say anything relevant to the game itself in chat. They're too busy raging for that.
Yes, you might run into an exception to this now and then. But I think the benefits of muting these people far outweigh the risks, especially if you know you're prone to being set off by things people say in the chat.
Xidphel4 votesYou gotta mute them.
RiotRiot Tantram19 votesYou are welcome to make a post and provide your chat logs.
However, I did take a look and you were threatening to afk at 4 mins without any provocation because you didn't get a gank and were being held down. You then started in on the hate speech and harassment, and ended the game asking for the enemy team to report your teammates who were putting up with your behavior all game.
CloudHalo991 votesPlease explain, please explain to me how they had to put up with me, please do that, you make no sense with that, why not give them chat restrictions too for what they did, the Nidalee and the Thresh both sitting there flaming the whole entire game, I don't know how that's my fault, also, I asked for a level 3 gank, I was angry, and she did nothing but feed the fire, so that's my fault? Please elaborate for me, please I beg of you.
ModPrandine5 votesPlease explain, please explain to me how they had to put up with me, please do that, you make no sense with that, why not give them chat restrictions too for what they did, the Nidalee and the Thresh both sitting there flaming the whole entire game, I don't know how that's my fault, also, I asked for a level 3 gank, I was angry, and she did nothing but feed the fire, so that's my fault? Please elaborate for me, please I beg of you.
Someone else behaving poorly doesn't excuse your own poor behavior as well. If someone is acting up and they refuse to stop them just mute and report them instead of feeding the trolls so-to-speak. As for why you were punished first it's because you were already close to crossing the line and this game was the one that pushed you over that line so-to-speak there. If that other player continues to act up then they will eventually be punished as well just like you were here. From Understanding the Tribunal:
4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.
Now if you want to actually discuss your punishment then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here for us to see (check your email/spam folder and the game client for it: the email contains one game while the game client can contain up to three).
scazzman3 votesSomeone else behaving poorly doesn't excuse your own poor behavior as well. If someone is acting up and they refuse to stop them just mute and report them instead of feeding the trolls so-to-speak. As for why you were punished first it's because you were already close to crossing the line and this game was the one that pushed you over that line so-to-speak there. If that other player continues to act up then they will eventually be punished as well just like you were here. From Understanding the Tribunal: a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.
Now if you want to actually discuss your punishment then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here for us to see (check your email/spam folder and the game client for it: the email contains one game while the game client can contain up to three).
most people. even "toxic" players can probably accept this as long as we have assurance that the other guy got punished too. however. we have none. just a popup that only appears if your report did them in. and we have no proof that multiple reports per game dont stack. other than riot's word which considering the tribunal. doesnt count for much . so the 1st logical response is to either ask for reports. which riot considers "toxic", or take matters into our own hands by retaliating. hoping we can say the right things to coerce the other guy into shutting up. before we have enough reportable chatlogs to get ourselves banned in the process . and this is an issue which riot has always has been hush hush and beat around the bush about. which not saying ANYTHING only reinforces these types of players. because in thier minds. if they werent hiding something they would offer some sort of proof
TequilaZombie2 votesOr they just don't want their entire algorithms out there to be abused.
Sweenster8 votesPost the chat log, the community would love to explain it to you.
Photos of Ghosts3 votes
Hyrum Graff2 votesThis is actually two separate questions:
Please explain, please explain to me how they had to put up with me, [...] I don't know how that's my fault, [...] so that's my fault?
You are responsible for what you say. Not anybody else. No matter how anybody else is acting, you have the choice of how you react.
Your behavior is your fault. If you choose to react in a way that the League community does not consider acceptable, you need to figure out how to change that if you want to stay a part of this community.
I would advise you to react in the way that Riot Tantram suggested:
[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-22T17:41:28.314+0000)
The next time you encounter that player spewing off hate speech, just mute them and report them after. There is no reason to ask other players to report them.
If your teammates are acting in a way that you don't consider acceptable (after all, you're part of the community, too!), you can express that by reporting them, and they'll be held accountable for their behavior just the same as you.
why not give them chat restrictions too for what they did, the Nidalee and the Thresh both sitting there flaming the whole entire game [...] she did nothing but feed the fire
If you reported them, maybe they did get chat restrictions. Quoting Tantram again,
[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-22T17:41:28.314+0000)
Getting reports beyond 1 does not increase the chance or speed of a game being reviewed.
ModThe Djinn1 votesPlease explain, please explain to me how they had to put up with me, please do that, you make no sense with that.
He did: "you were threatening to afk at 4 mins" | "You then started in on the hate speech and harassment." That's not something I'd want to have to put up with in game.
There may have been mitigating circumstances, but that doesn't matter: the actions of allies do not excuse your actions, as Riot has said many times. The option to mute them, or to not respond and simply read the chat, or the option to simply respond with in-game information and keep your anger out of the game chat are all possible, and if you choose to engage on a toxic level it is your decision, no matter WHAT the other players may or may not have done.
We have the parallel in real life. If you engage with someone causing a Disturbance of the Peace in an equally aggressive manner, you can ALSO be cited for a Disturbance of the Peace, even if they "started it." Since it was no direct threat to you you had the option to not engage them -- you can't cite "self defense" in these situations unless there was some actual tangible danger to your person.
Dehitay1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-22T17:41:28.314+0000)
regaurdless if you are right or wrong, the bans work in favour of how many ppl reported said person.
I'm happy to shed some light on this.
It only takes 1 report for a game to be reviewed. Punishments (for verbal types) are based entirely on the contents of YOUR chat.
Getting reports beyond 1 does not increase the chance or speed of a game being reviewed. So, the next time you encounter that player spewing off hate speech, just mute them and report them after. There is no reason to ask other players to report them.
lol, the irony of it being Tantram that says multiple reports don't affect anything is kind of ironic cause he's the only Rioter I've found that finally admitted they do keep track of how many reports come in.
Sure, I'll believe that only a single report gets a game reviewed. But it just wouldn't make sense for multiple reports not to be taken into consideration for weight of severity outside of premades ganging up. If all other 9 players in the game reported you, you probly did something more screwed up than if only one player or one premade reported you.
Deep Terror Nami8 votesWhile many reports in a single match increase the chance of the system reviewing their case, premade groups only have the weight of a single report no matter how many of them do it. It only takes one report to flag a match for review, so if they continue their negative behavior and are consistently reported even by just one solo player, they'll get reviewed and all the matches will count just the same.
If you were punished, feel free to post the chat logs if you'd like to discuss it with the community. If you think your ban was an error, then you can contest it by submitting a Support Ticket.
Stavro Mueller2 votesmany reports in a single match increase the chance of the system reviewing their case
Wait, what's your source for this statement? I've never read anything except "one report = enough for review" from Riot sources*, such as @RiotTantram in this thread.
Then you also say, "It only takes one report to flag a match for review" - so what exactly did you mean in the first sentence?
*except, "players who consistently make false reports against others diminishes the value of that player's report and renders them meaningless" - but that seems irrelevant here
Deep Terror Nami3 votesThe confusion is likely because reviews do not happen every time someone makes a report. One report is enough to flag a match, and when a review does happen it's going to get checked no matter what (which is what Tantram is saying). If the system does do a case review every single time a report is made, then Tantram needs to clear that up with the Player Support staff because I get my information directly from them when I need it.
Stavro Mueller2 votesThat clears up your comment, thanks.
Just to be clear, Tantram said
Getting reports beyond 1 does not increase the chance or speed of a game being reviewed.
This does directly contradict the idea that "many reports in a single match increase the chance of the system reviewing their case," even if there is a delay between a flag and a review.
You're always helpful and accurate on the boards, DTN, and I appreciate it; this misconception is just a major pet peeve!
JQKAndrei1 votesI knew that speed and chanche of review increase with number of games reported, instead of number of reports. Which makes sense to me.
ModPrandine4 votesSorry but that's not how it works. One report is as good as nine reports, and multiple reports won't get someone punished any faster than one report would, especially if the reports in question are false. If you get punished then it's because you were consistently showing poor behavior across multiple games and refused to stop.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesTechnically, more reports in a single match can trigger a review faster, just not premade reports. Worse behavior tends to get more reports per match, so it helps get the worst offenders off the Rift faster.
[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-07-22T06:49:00.343+0000)
Technically, more reports in a single match can trigger a review faster, just not premade reports. Worse behavior tends to get more reports per match, so it helps get the worst offenders off the Rift faster.
I suppose you're right on that one. I just remember reading somewhere that multiple reports doesn't necessarily mean that a player gets reviewed faster, so the assumption that more reports=a faster review isn't entirely accurate. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.
Awkward Couch1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-07-22T06:49:00.343+0000)
Technically, more reports in a single match can trigger a review faster, just not premade reports. Worse behavior tends to get more reports per match, so it helps get the worst offenders off the Rift faster.
I think the common misconception is that more reports = more likelyhood that the person reported is going to get punished / banned.
scazzman1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-07-22T06:49:00.343+0000)
Technically, more reports in a single match can trigger a review faster, just not premade reports. Worse behavior tends to get more reports per match, so it helps get the worst offenders off the Rift faster.
i think the best way to target premade harassment. would be to change how the report system works. instead of individual reports per player. have a single report button saying "flag game" and the automated system would review the accounts of anyone in that game including the reporter. and if a player is in a lot of flagged games. and isnt being punished. a manual review could be triggered to look for things like ban evasion or subtle trolling
what this would do would
make it so players could no longer be singled out by asking for reports
make it so flamebaiters and trolls would also be reporting themselves.
make it so false reporting couldnt happen since there's a toxic player in almost every game
welovegag2 votesI had the same issues with the reporting system. So I reported a player but then I still lost LP in the process of playing ranked game because some players have decided to troll. Is there any mechanics or systems that can refund the LP that I have lost or "Lost prevention"? Hope rioters could help me out with my frustration.
balbraaksel2 votesYou're probably new or something, there isn't any compensation for trolls because Riot assumes both sides get the occasional troll.
welovegag1 votesThen maybe starting reading the damn question? Im asking if there will be a system to do so in order to clear out my frustration to trollers; idk probably u r one of them who "occassionally trolls"?
As playing in Bronze for players like me who the only goal is to climb some elo and start playing with "normal"!players who actually have decent skill levels and mechanics of the game. Apparently, no matter what tiers u r in, they are still the same.
balbraaksel1 votesAnd the answer is that you lose AND win LP because trolls happen on both sides of the team, balancing out eachother making it fair not to compensate for trolls. Sometimes you get LP because of trolls, sometimes you lose LP because of trolls. Hopefully you can understand it now, lol. Occasional is typed wrong by the way, one 's' too much.
welovegag1 votesAnd the answer is that you lose AND win LP because trolls happen on both sides of the team, balancing out eachother making it fair not to compensate for trolls. Sometimes you get LP because of trolls, sometimes you lose LP because of trolls. Hopefully you can understand it now, lol. Occasional is typed wrong by the way, one 's' too much.
There goes back to my question, it is unfair to both sides and makes it "fair" when this "troll" happens? Im suggesting/questioning of what Rioters can do instead of cannot do. Id rather remake/not gaining any LP when the enemy team is feeding rather than just playing with bunch of kids. I play for displaying my skills and fair matchups not blindly rushing for Elos. I dont see any further explanation that can make u understand that lol
balbraaksel1 votesIt's that I completely understand what you mean, it's just not how it works and I explained to you how it works and why it works like that. I also want to add another reason, it's because of that such a system can be abused. So it's basically Riot saying, there's a chance for trolls on your team but we won't compensate in LP for it because trolls happen on both sides.
welovegag1 votesIt's that I completely understand what you mean, it's just not how it works and I explained to you how it works and why it works like that. I also want to add another reason, it's because of that such a system can be abused. So it's basically Riot saying, there's a chance for trolls on your team but we won't compensate in LP for it because trolls happen on both sides.
And there goes the toxicity culture around this community. If this isnt going to address, the community will eventually fall off the wagon and becomes another COD kids summer fun party but who am i to judge. Perhaps they got more money from scrapping off kids/ parents money to buy boosting and skins. FFS
balbraaksel1 votesThe point is it is dealt with without dealing with it. Trolls actually work in your favor unless you're one yourself because there's 4 teammates and 5 enemies, making it likelier that the trolls end up on the enemy team than your team. If you can't understand me even now I give up, lol.
welovegag1 votesThis is so far the most stubborn yet pointless argument, u were just saying what i just said and repeat then make it an argument and to sound legit. Maybe u shouldnt make any replies before knowing one? Bronze kids just never give up lol
balbraaksel1 votesI'll just assume you're a troll.
welovegag1 votesUr comment says it all
Photos of Ghosts1 votes*VIVE la r*évolution or viva la revolu*ciòn
