smurf just got perma banned

Sun God Leona·Jun 22, 2018·1 votes·1,777 views

hello, this is my smurf. lvl 22. and i just gotta perma-banned

i always fill, so i filled top this game. little did i know the other 4 people in my team are grouped up. now i didnt do complete shit and rage or anything but over the smallest inconveniences i did they harassed me for, with pings and words. sure i shouldve muted but i doubt that wouldve stopped my getting reported by all of them.

so here i am. perma banned for the amount of reports i took, not cause of what i said (which i did say a few things which i called them dumbasses like 2 times) other than that i was not toxic, after enduring unprecedented harassment and toxicity

edit: and sure its just a smurf but getting perma banned just for taking reports and not even being reviewed? i guess new accounts have a little less wiggle room when it comes to the punishment system

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ZombiemasterJun 22, 20187 votes

sure i shouldve muted but i doubt that wouldve stopped my getting reported by all of them.

It wouldn't have stopped you from getting reported, but muting them (on top of not saying anything toxic in retaliation) would have stopped you from getting punished. Showing zero inappropriate behavior means any reports against you will be false, and the punishment system is very good at filtering out false reports and not punishing players for them.

so here i am. perma banned for the amount of reports i took, not cause of what i said (which i did say a few things which i called them dumbasses like 2 times)

No, you were not permanently banned for the amount of reports you received. The number of reports you receive in a single match does not matter. Reports alone only trigger a review of your behavior for that game, and it only takes one report to do this. Any additional reports do not do anything extra. You could receive 1, 4, or even 9 reports in a single match, they will still only trigger a review, nothing else. Punishments are given based on your behavior.

Now, you already said you called others dumbasses. That is not acceptable even if they started flaming you first, and, without seeing the rest of your chat logs, is quite likely what triggered this particular punishment. However, the reason it's a permanent ban is because you have a history with the punishment system on this account. Unless you show very extreme and outrageously unacceptable behavior, you do not get a permanent ban for your first offense. You go through the multiple punishment tiers, one of which is a 14 day suspension (the last step before a permanent ban), before reaching a permanent ban. If you haven't had a 14 day suspension on this account prior to this incident (which you claim you haven't), then perhaps you can reach out to Player Support and maybe they will reduce the punishment on the grounds of it being too severe.

My guess, though, is that you have had a 14 day suspension on this account but you simply don't remember it. I mean, there's 2 separate gaps in your match history that are a little over 14 days long, so I'd bet that one of them was the result of a 14 day suspension.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

the only thing i had on this acc was 10 games of lower priority que for leaving back to back. and ya i know saying bad things is wrong but i doubt that wouldve stopped me from getting suspended. i really dont believe it took tribunal less than a minute to evaluate that game and ban me even tho i wasnt "that" toxic.

ZombiemasterJun 22, 20182 votes

The current punishment system is called the Instant Feedback System, or IFS. It is completely automated and is capable of reviewing reports and issuing punishments (if necessary) within 15 minutes of the game's end. That's how quick it was when it first came out, but maybe Riot has tuned it a bit to be faster since then? I don't know for sure.

Also, if you truly have not received a 14 day suspension (or any other chat related punishment like you're claiming) on this account prior to this incident, then like I said it's possible that Player Support may reduce your punishment on the grounds of it being too severe for the offense. It's up to you to contact them, however I saw in another comment that you don't really care since this is a smurf, so that's your choice.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

i probably could, but im not. i feel like a minority right now. that the community is so whacked and dont realize how insane this all sounds

a normal player that usually isnt toxic but cause i left 3 games back to back and harassed until i got perma-banned but somehow im in the wrong.

and now im bringing it to tyler1 cause he was unbelievably toxic but look at him now, famous and still playing league and making lots of money. but when i do it? i just get told im wrong and ure a toxic piece of shit and u deserved to be perma banned

im done with league and its nonsense, really

Imperial PandaaJun 22, 20181 votes

Feel how you want, doesn't make it right.

Tyler1 has never gotten one of his permabanned accounts back.

Again, the number of reports doesn't matter if you don't actually do anything wrong. I can get reported by 9 players 10 games straight, and if I haven't actually done anything wrong. I won't be punished.

ChermorgJun 22, 20185 votes

If you think your logs were not toxic and deserving of a punishment, you should have no problem posting them to prove as such.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

ya but why would i do that, its just a smurf. sure i wouldve liked to keep playing and lvling up my smurf. but am i going to waste my time for riot support which ive dealt with and takes a few days to get replies.

and i did say i was toxic, but not nearly to the degree i think deserved a perma-banned, im simply pointing out the flaw in the system that maybe if people are grouped together and/or report alot that it should have less of a meaning? that maybe theyre abusing the power of the system?

JamareeJun 22, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sun God Leona,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ci9sqPE0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T03:52:51.503+0000)

ya but why would i do that, its just a smurf. sure i wouldve liked to keep playing and lvling up my smurf. but am i going to waste my time for riot support which ive dealt with and takes a few days to get replies.

and i did say i was toxic, but not nearly to the degree i think deserved a perma-banned, im simply pointing out the flaw in the system that maybe if people are grouped together and/or report alot that it should have less of a meaning? that maybe theyre abusing the power of the system?

Except 4 reports = 1 report. It isnt the amount of reports, it is how often you get them.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

if u look at my match history, i mightve took reports from my 0/1 game. but i doubt i took any from my bot games. so 2 games of reports i guess? and how are you so sure 4 reports = 1 report. that doesnt make any sense

AneirinJun 22, 20185 votes

Because it's been stated repeatedly. They've even shown the code.

You also appear to have quit or afk'd 3 of your last 10 games, what's that about?

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

more than 10 but its not usual for me either as u can see. but if u need to know it was my time of the yaknow :/ out of at least 100 games ive left like 4, maybe 5. thats over 90% still, am i suppose to strive for 99% attendance? are we a hardcore wow guild :v

JamareeJun 22, 20186 votes

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more than 10 but its not usual for me either as u can see. but if u need to know it was my time of the yaknow :/ out of at least 100 games ive left like 4, maybe 5. thats over 90% still, am i suppose to strive for 99% attendance? are we a hardcore wow guild :v

Yes...because you ruin other people's experience when you aren't there, hello?

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

so uve nvr left a game huh? please tell me with all certainty that you havent left a single game and ill take your attitude towards me like youre all about justice and doing the right thing and im some worthless piece of shit ruining other peoples games

JamareeJun 22, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sun God Leona,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ci9sqPE0,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T04:10:40.293+0000)

so uve nvr left a game huh? please tell me with all certainty that you havent left a single game and ill take your attitude towards me like youre all about justice and doing the right thing and im some worthless piece of shit ruining other peoples games

I have before, some of them were utterly out of my control, others were me just not wanting to deal. I'm not perfect at all, however, that just goes to show that you don't get punished for one or two occurrences. No one is perfect, and the system realizes that, hence why you have to do it so much to actually get punished.

AneirinJun 22, 20184 votes

more than 10

No, it's 3 of the last 10. I can count. On top of that 6 of those are bot games so really it's 3 out of your last 4 normals. Striving for more than 25% attendance would be encouraged, yes. If you can't commit to finishing a game don't start one.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20182 votes

so what, 10 games is all that matters? really? i feel like people are cherry picking shit and coming down on me, srsly, this is bullshit.

AneirinJun 22, 20184 votes

Because your recent history is all that matters when your account is on the line. Use your head - your account is basically on probation and you can't see why leaving 3 normal games in a row might be a problem? It's like you just got out of jail and stole a pack of cigarettes on your way home - sure it might be a small offence but you've basically shown your last punishment didn't help and you're not reforming.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

ya, and im the poor citizen that the law hates

but tyler1 who is without a dobut one of the most toxic league players does it and gets out of jail free and makes even more money.

so i left a few games recently, then harassed until i got perma banned

see how fucked up league community seems?

i guess all im missing is making a fool of myself and a webcam to display my "toxicity" that i so clearly am, so i can make lots of money while being the toxic piece of shit i am. and have wiggle room with riot and its punishment system

AneirinJun 22, 20182 votes

but tyler1 who is without a dobut one of the most toxic league players does it and gets out of jail free

Not true. All his accounts that were permabanned remain permabanned. He's simply free to make new accounts, as you are.

If you really feel innocent then post your chat logs - if they aren't punishable then you could open a support ticket and get Riot to look into it. Otherwise there's no point posting here - you don't want discussion, you just want people to side with you. We're obviously not going to agree so I'm done. Peace. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

all his accounts? a repeating offender and hes allowed to make more?

seriously, its not helping. all im seeing is just how fucking ridiculous the system is even more so. and ure wrong about no point posting here

and idk how to post my chat logs, i thought only riot could see that stuff.

but i guess youre done. cause theres no point discussing the system and its flaws.

Imperial PandaaJun 22, 20181 votes

To get chat logs, you simply need to log into the punished account. A reform card will appear and you can copy paste them.

DearPearJun 22, 20181 votes

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all his accounts? a repeating offender and hes allowed to make more?

You're allowed to make more too. Because riot can't stop you.

[{quoted}](name=Sun God Leona,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ci9sqPE0,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T04:35:01.231+0000)

seriously, its not helping. all im seeing is just how fucking ridiculous the system is even more so.

You were toxic, you got banned, what's so ridiculous about that? It doesn't please you, that's the issue there? Good.

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a normal player that usually isnt toxic but cause i left 3 games back to back and harassed until i got perma-banned but somehow im in the wrong.

You are so dense... Your leaves have NOTHING to do with your ban. You calling your mates "autistic dumbasses" have EVERYTHING to do with your ban. Get that simple fact in your head. Bye.

JamareeJun 22, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sun God Leona,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ci9sqPE0,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T03:54:55.424+0000)

if u look at my match history, i mightve took reports from my 0/1 game. but i doubt i took any from my bot games. so 2 games of reports i guess? and how are you so sure 4 reports = 1 report. that doesnt make any sense

I wouldn’t know, I’m not you, how many times have you been punished?

They made it like that because they realized pre mades could abuse the power so it doesn’t matter if all 9 report or just one, it is a question of how often you get them.

ChermorgJun 22, 20184 votes

Once you've been 14 day banned, it is not "does this log merit a permanent ban" but "does this log merit a punishment at all". If the answer is yes, and it's within a couple months of active play of your 14 day ban, your punishment will be escalated to a permanent ban.

People grouping together to report does nothing. One report is the same as 9 reports is the same as 3 reports is the same as 5 reports. The game is reviewed all the same - you are only punished if your behavior merits it.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

ive only had one account get a 14 day suspension. and it wasnt this one. so what youre saying is after a 14 day ban, if i get one measly report? im done for? im just trying to confirm thats the system cause wow this system is more messed up than i thought

ChermorgJun 22, 20185 votes

No, it is not based on if you are reported. It is based on if you are reported and your behavior was inappropriate.

Kei143Jun 22, 20185 votes

depending on your history and how severe your chat was, it is possible to get permabanned after 1 game of 14-day ban.

The system punishes based on consistency x severity. If you instantly reoffend right off a 14-day ban, it shows to the system that you totally didn't reform and thus they are removing you from the game as Riot deems you to be unreformable.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

ive been 14 day banned. only 10 game lower priority cause i left 2 matches back to back out of the hundreds i have. then i played bot to get rid of those and then ended up leaving another, and the game right after that the darius one i was harassed. feels like i just cant win. and im being made the villain here.

im hardly ever toxic, and i hardly ever leave games.

but just because i left a few games back to back out of the hundreds i have, im the bad guy and to rly throw on the cherry, then getting harassed and perma banned.

you realize how i feel right? like im such kind of slave right now and have no fucking rights.

im done with league, some bullshit that i make a handful of blunders of leaving games, to go on and get verbal assaulted until i get perma banned, shit is fucking whack. im uninstalling this bullshit

Kei143Jun 22, 20182 votes

Glad you realised what Riot is trying to do, that is to make it as unwelcoming as possible for people with disruptive behavior.

At this point I think you are just trolling us and trying to get a reaction out of us.

AneirinJun 22, 20183 votes

sure i shouldve muted but i doubt that wouldve stopped my getting reported by all of them.

Maybe not, but it would have stopped you being punished. You can't be banned simply for being reported.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

trust me i was.

game ended, about a minute after post lobby, client closed itself saying account has suspended. relog to see how long and permad

AneirinJun 22, 20185 votes

Trust me, you weren't. In any case to get a permaban you have to have had prior punishments, mind telling us about those?

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

ok, first. dont tell me i wasnt cause i was sitting right the fuck here when it happened, ok.

second, it wasnt more than 2mins after that game ended that i got banned. could it be coincidence that tribunal or something like that reviewed my game where i left with cait and it just happened to me same time as that game? sure maybe, but highly doubtful

and before that was 10 games of lower priority que

AneirinJun 22, 20185 votes

You were banned for repeated punishable behaviour, not because you simply got a report.

There is no tribunal. Toxicity is dealt with by an automated system - any report flags your chat for automatic review (any extra reports are discarded). If you've been consistently getting reported deservedly then the last one was simply the one that pushed you over the edge to another punishment.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

thats so dumb though. i have a history with over a hundred games at least, and just cause i left 3 games near eachother im done for? doesnt that seem ridiculous? and the whole justice everyone telling me about.

everyones coming down on me even tho all i did was leave 3 games near eachother out of the 100-200. and im made to feel like the bad guy after i just got harassed and perma banned, like im the one thats wrong here

tyler1 does it and that fucko gets 2m followers.

it just feels like such bullshit

420 gramsJun 22, 20183 votes

Chat logs or it didn't happen

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

fin you got me, it wasnt 2 dumbass, it was one. autistic dumbasses. but for real thats the only insulting thing i said after being harassed, which to me is called for. but still bad i guess

DearPearJun 22, 20183 votes

Dude, just freaking read documentation on the matter before going apeshit on the boards with all your beliefs that are just plain wrong.

1 - number of reports do not matter 2 - reports only trigger the verification of your behavior. 3 - the verification takes little time because the AI is not hosted on a pentium2. Analyzing a few sentences is never going to take long. 4 - calling people "autistic dumbasses" IS enough to get either a 14-days ban or a perm-ban.

Sun God LeonaJun 22, 20181 votes

ya, i guess it only applies to me though huh.

surely im the most toxic league player ever and i deserved to be perma banned after being harassed. surely there isnt anyone playing league who isnt more toxic than i.

im just a filthy toxic piece of shit that deserved to be perma banned cause i left 3 games out of hundreds and called my harassers autistic dumbasses. im just the fucking worst and should probably kill my fucking self huh