I really Liked the chat restriction since it came out, you arent 100% restricted to chat (you can still write X no F or do calls) but you dont have enough messages to fight with your teammates over things and risk getting penalties like a permanent ban.
I think it would be a good Idea to even make an option where you can enable/disable chat restriction as Player on your Account to safe yourself from getting toxic.
Thoughts?
BlackProffon13 votesSounds Good!
Your Idea doesn't have a downside in my opinion since if you dont want it you can straight up just not enable it
Bladerunner77772 votesI was watching one of tyler1's rants and he was talking about when he first got banned. After his first or second ban he sent a ticket to Riot and asked to be chat restricted but they replied that they "can't"
It probably has something to do with avoiding getting in trouble with people claiming they were "falsely punished" even though they asked for it. Some people will actually go out of their way to find loopholes just to cause people trouble.
scazzman6 votesriot wont do it. because they would rather patronize and mock toxic players and drive them out. then actually help them not be toxic
Deep Terror Nami6 votesJust because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they are mocking you.
scazzman4 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cH9NRUA3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-06-19T01:24:16.017+0000)
Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they are mocking you.
maybe not mock. but they definitely DO patronize. and it is beginning to reflect on the community
Troll for Trump2 votesYeah, there are a LOT of posts that ask for the same thing this guy is asking for, if you check PB&M. Almost all of them get downvoted to oblivion. Heck almost all the PB&M posts get downvoted by white knight mobs.
And the people who comment on those are pretty... "edgy"
Jorencice4 votesBecause
It's just a game.
It's extremely sad you HAVE to rage at people.
Learn to control your self. You control your actions 100% no one else does.
It's like a smoker demanding places stop selling cigarettes because they can't help themselves. It's rediculous.
Troll for Trump3 votesIt's just a game then, no need to be offended by anything in the chat, it's only a game.
It's extremely sad that people get triggered off the smallest things
Smokers get rehab and other forms of help, and they have an addiction to cigarettes. You don't get addicted to toxicity, and you don't get reform for it.
Whoa,man, you're being passive-aggressive towards toxic people. Why you have to be so toxic? Learn to control yourself, dude. You control your actions 100% no one else does. It's extremely sad you HAVE to be rude./s
Jorencice2 votesHuh?
I'm so confused. You agreed with me and disagreed with me in the same post.
CasterxRYUNOSUKE3 votesThey won't, although I wish they would. I've been permanently banned 4 times. Before my 3rd permanent ban in 2013 they said no when I asked for a permanent chat restriction, and before my 4th permanent ban in 2016 they said no when I asked for a chat restriction. They don't care about players who are toxic, regardless if they are trying to reform or not. Look at the change in tone in the later shown support tickets down below from 2013 to 2016.
In 2013, they would say "Thank you" and "I'm happy [to hear a good experience]" and give sound advice to help you stop being toxic and not in a patronizing way. In 2016, they talk about how you get punished and how it's your fault. Of course, these are two different people, but truly this is just how Riot Games has changed. They don't care about the player base who are toxic regardless of attempts to reform and better themselves, and they certainly don't try to help them reform only punish them. Riot won't change their views on anything, as shown by their zero tolerance policies, refusal to readd solo queue (despite most people demanding it), and how their view on this hasn't changed in 3+ years.
The only way I've stopped being permanently banned is because I figured out a way to completely disable enter key in game, using this method (read description): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KET_tpV1xk
It will take time to get adjusted to not having chat. You WILL actually use summoners you don't mean to, but you will get used to not having chat enabled in less than 10 games.
You will play better, and you will focus less on flaming your teammates.
First no, July 19, 2013:
Hello LeaverBuster Pls,
Thank you for writing in. I’m happy to hear that our latest player behavior initiative “Restricted Chat” has drastically improved your gameplay. Unfortunately we are not able to manually place restricted chat on an account at this time. Restricted Chat is only applied as a result of a guilty judgment in the Tribunal.
While I can’t restrict chat on your account, I’d be happy to share some tips and advice on how to avoid toxic situations in the future!
First, be sure that [All Chat] is turned off so you won’t see messages from the enemy team. You can do this by going to the Options Menu, and selecting “More Options”.
You should also check out the Summoner's Code if you haven't. The Code is intended to help players maintain perspective on why we're all playing League of Legends, what we hope to gain from it, and how we want to be treated while we're a part of the community. You can find it here:
Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any further questions or concerns!
Regards, KramSyhr Riot Player Support Specialist
**Second no, April 13, 2016: **
Hey Summoner,
There seems to be a little confusion here over the nature of our punishments and systems. Restrictions are only issued when there is consistent - but relatively mild - negativity over many games. Three may be referenced (from a larger pool) but only as examples for negativity becoming common > in your games. It doesn't mean that only three games displayed negativity in any respect.
Our systems work on a progressive scale; meaning that if a player continues to be negative, their punishments will continue to escalate. This isn't > about a single game, it's about your overall behavior over many different games and how it remains consistently negative. This account received > previous warning in the form of chat restrictions, yet improvement has not been consistent. As a result it was issued a warning suspension that we won't be reducing or removing. Please understand that if those behaviors continue it will result in a permanent suspension.
I'd recommend using chat more conservatively and taking advantage of smart pings as an alternative. If someone upsets you, simply mute them and report them rather than retaliate, insult, or argue with them. Remember that you can't control how others are going to act or play, you can control how you react to them.
Moonsugar Player Behavior & Game Support ♡ Lunari Princess ♡
Jorencice5 votesTo be fair it's literally 100% your fault you got punished.
Your keyboard didn't get hacked.
YOU typed those words AND YOU pressed enter.
Icy Hot Shoto3 votesAdding a permanent chat restriction would make toxic players be worse imo. Just because they can't "speak" doesn't mean they wont be toxic, after all not all toxic players actually speak. Some of them troll, feed on purpose, refuse to help their team, etc etc.
Remove a toxic player, who is only toxic in chat, their ability to speak and they'll turn to other ways to troll. Ways that aren't easily detected by the system, which are a few ways stated above.
CasterxRYUNOSUKE3 votesMost toxic players aren't banned for intentional feed and griefing. Most are banned because they can't control themselves and flame teammates in chat. In fact, intentional feeders and griefers are punished very infrequently compared to those who flame in chat, because it is much harder to prove someone was actually intentionally feeding rather than having a bad game. This is a whole entirely different and separate issue.
scazzman3 votesAdding a permanent chat restriction would make toxic players be worse imo. Just because they can't "speak" doesn't mean they wont be toxic, after all not all toxic players actually speak. Some of them troll, feed on purpose, refuse to help their team, etc etc.
Remove a toxic player, who is only toxic in chat, their ability to speak and they'll turn to other ways to troll. Ways that aren't easily detected by the system, which are a few ways stated above.
not all toxic players are trolls. some of us just get heated. which is why we are desperately asking for a way to stop ourselves from typing
sneezing slug3 votesI mean, I don't see why not.
If you don't want to use it you don't have to, and I know a LOT of people that this would help.
Most of the time a "toxic" player isn't really toxic, they're just super piped up about something and it just builds up inside of them. People are people, and because of that we constantly find conflicts with other people for the most random of reasons. It's human nature to get angry and say a few things you didn't mean to say from time to time.
So yeah, I'd really like this to be a feature in the game.
grooveline3 voteshonestly wish this was a thing. i'm so toxic i'm gonna turn in to muk soon.
Archadria2 votesThoughts: 1: first chat; I'm muting you all because you all deserve to die and should drink bleach. 2:second chat; don't argue with me or i will fuck your mom. 3:Third chat; muted and reported. 4: mute them all, report them for unsportsmanlike conduct and move on with carrying. 5: don't do 1 and 2.
Deep Terror Nami6 votesDon't do 3 either. You're going to cause problems by doing that and you could get punished for it, so just mute/report without telling them.
scazzman2 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cH9NRUA3,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-19T01:25:27.793+0000)
Don't do 3 either. You're going to cause problems by doing that and you could get punished for it, so just mute/report without telling them.
i feel like you should be able to tell a player you've muted them. for strategic purposes. so they dont waste energy trying to type to you. reports are a gray area. but there is actual purpose for telling someone theyre muted
Angry Monster4 votesits the report part is the problem. You do not say it. You can just say muting and leave it at that.
Stasis6911 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cH9NRUA3,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-19T01:25:27.793+0000)
Don't do 3 either. You're going to cause problems by doing that and you could get punished for it, so just mute/report without telling them.
Why do you guys word's like "could?" Why is it possible for some but not possible for others. Why is it not, "will?"
Why such subjective punishments?
Deep Terror Nami2 votesBecause not everyone is consistent or caught or only does that etc?
Stasis6911 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cH9NRUA3,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2016-06-21T19:42:46.330+0000)
Because not everyone is consistent or caught or only does that etc?
You don't need to be "consistent" with it to be banned and why is there a system in the first place that doesn't catch everybody for every infraction?
Also, you say "not everybody only does that etc" yet nothing else was even referenced. Just like you have said "your judgement is based on it's on merit" the only thing being discussed here is reporting/muting. So stick to the topic. Which is just another example of Riot having their own agenda when it comes to their facist kindergarten playground.
TrulyBland1 votesMildly toxic behaviour is not punishable in a vaccuum, but it adds up. Either with the behaviour being consistent/frequent, or that behaviour existing on top of other patterns of toxic behaviour. That's why consistency and doing other things could make even mild statements like that result in punishments.
Getting caught... well.. Obviously a system like this aims at catching everybody for every infraction. But realistically it won't. Simply because it involves language, and language is complicated... at least for machines. Meanings of same words or even phrases differ from context to context. And ultimately there's always the possibility that somebody gets away with it, simply because literally everybody in the game forgets to report that person.
Stasis6911 votesMildly toxic behaviour is not punsihable in a vaccuum, but it adds up. Either with the behaviour being consistent/frequent, or that behaviour existing on top of other patterns of toxic behaviour. That's why consistency and doing other things could make even mild statemnts like that punishments.
Getting caught... well.. Obviously a system like this aims at catching everybody for every infraction. But realistically it won't. Simply because it involves language, and language is complicated... at least for machines. Meanings of same words or even phrases differ from context to context. And ultimately, at the very least somebody won't get caught if literally everybody forgets to report that person.
I have an easy and oft-presented solution that is ignored. Each game that gets any reports at all is reviewed by the system and ALL violators are punished per infraction. This would be the most fair and also comprehensive way to accomplish the goal of cleaning up the trash. Is nobody curious as to what sort of numbers that system would produce in terms of violators?
TrulyBland1 votesOkay, let's ignore for a second how ridiculous it is to start banning people on single infractions regardless of how mild they are... that's not an easy solution. In fact, I'd argue this is more difficult than what Riot is doing.
If you want to be able to ban for every infraction, you will have to define every possible infraction. Hell, you would have to include derogatory terms that don't even exist yet because they will only be made up in the future.
Again: Language is complicated. If you think you have come up with an easy solution to something regarding language, you haven't put enough thought into it.
Stasis6911 votesOkay, let's ignore for a second how ridiculous it is to start banning people on single infractions regardless of how mild they are... that's not an easy solution. In fact, I'd argue this is more difficult than what Riot is doing.
If you want to be able to ban for every infraction, you will have to define every possible infraction. Hell, you would have to include derogatory terms that don't even exist yet because they will only be made up in the future.
Again: Language is complicated. If you think you have come up with an easy solution to something regarding language, you haven't put enough thought into it.
I didn't say for individual infractions. It just will keep a tally on your account and once you reach a certain amount of tallys you're punished. It wouldn't be any different than now except that the players "defending themselves" can actually get a little bit of relief so that when they're sitting there banned they know that the two or three players that started and amplified the negativity tenfold can no longer get away with it.
There is no excuse as to why a game that had four, five, or six people trolling and berating and causing negativity should allow all of those players to get away with it, instead of possibly just one or two. Each infraction should count against you, otherwise this system cannot be considered fair or legitimate or objective. It is a pick and choose facist kindergarten now run completely by judge, jury, executioner Riot.
TrulyBland1 votesOh okay... a tally... I see... then a threshold... So, if I understand correctly... in your system, something that is considered negative COULD (<---- super-mega-emphasis) result in a punishment, if it's consistent, or because they also did something else?
You also haven't really adressed the difficulty of accurately detecting infractions, which means there's still a realistic scenario in which your system also doesn't catch people.
Remind me... what was your issue with DTN's post again?
Stasis6911 votesOh okay... a tally... I see... then a threshold... So, if I understand correctly... in your system, something that is considered negative COULD (<---- super-mega-emphasis) result in a punishment, if it's consistent, or because they also did something else?
You also haven't really adressed the difficulty of accurately detecting infractions, which means there's still a realistic scenario in which your system also doesn't catch people.
Remind me... what was your issue with DTN's post again?
My issue is my perception that the punishment is essentially subjective and when he used words like "could" they really should be "should" or "would."
In my system, say you called someone an asshole, and were reported for it. This would trigger the entire game to be reviewed, so that if, for example, three of his teammates started the harassment, it wouldn't excuse the reported played, but it would also find all other guilty parties for that individual game and make a mark or note or whatever on that players account.
TrulyBland1 votesit would also find all other guilty parties
And how? How does it do that?
You keep dancing around this crucial point. You created this system in your mind where you simply catch all the bad guys, but without specific ideas of how to actually achieve that.
Stasis6911 votesAnd how? How does it do that?
You keep dancing around this crucial point. You created this system in your mind where you simply catch all the bad guys, but without specific ideas of how to actually achieve that.
How does it do it now? It reads the chat logs, correct? If it can make the determination an individual is guilt why can't it decide if more than one are?
TrulyBland1 votesOkay, if you want to keep the current way of catching players, and the current system doesn't catch them all, then logically yours won't either. So we can cross that off our list as well... and we're out of points you made.
As a reminder:
So maybe, next time before you attack a system as being a "pick and choose facist kindergarten now run completely by judge, jury, executioner Riot", and you propose an "easy solution" to this problem...
maybe you should come up with something better than just using the same system with the same flaws you pointed out just don't.
TrulyBland1 votesMine is more comprehensive and complete than the current one, therefore it could be considered better.
How is it more comprehensive or complete? The only specific difference you've mentioned was the thing about everybody being reviewed. Which not only has miniscule effect (because most of the time, people don't forget to report somebody), but also increases the load on the system, and depending on the exact way the system works might also increase noise and thus uncertainty in whether a player should be punished or not.
Congratulations, your system is still a facist kindergarten now run completely by judge, jury, executioner Riot... but at least you can now occasionally forget to report people! W00t! Edit: Which wasn't even what you complained about earlier. I'm fairly certain you just made that point up when you realized all your other points were a bit more tricky to solve than you thought.
scazzman1 votesHow is it more comprehensive or complete? The only specific difference you've mentioned was the thing about everybody being reviewed. Which not only has miniscule effect (because most of the time, people don't forget to report somebody), but also increases the load on the system, and depending on the exact way the system works might also increase noise and thus uncertainty in whether a player should be punished or not.
Congratulations, your system is still a facist kindergarten now run completely by judge, jury, executioner Riot... but at least you can now occasionally forget to report people! W00t! Edit: Which wasn't even what you complained about earlier. I'm fairly certain you just made that point up when you realized all your other points were a bit more tricky to solve than you thought.
the idea. is to make it so premades can no longer blackmail with "you report me all 4 of us report you". and so flamebaiters can get punished at the same speed as the people they provoke
leaugesbane1 votesMine is more comprehensive and complete than the current one, therefore it could be considered better.
nope its garbage. the same way the current one is.
human nature is one exploiting for benefit. its the primary difference between a dog and human or human and any other animal we exploit all kinds of things and as a result we can do anything and everything better then animals specialized in it their are only few exceptions because science isnt there yet or hasnt had a purpose found yet to push it there. league of legends is less of a game and more of a giant bs social experiment
scazzman1 votesI have an easy and oft-presented solution that is ignored. Each game that gets any reports at all is reviewed by the system and ALL violators are punished per infraction. This would be the most fair and also comprehensive way to accomplish the goal of cleaning up the trash. Is nobody curious as to what sort of numbers that system would produce in terms of violators?
i had a better solution thats similar but different. do away with INDIVIDUAL reports. and have a single report button saying "report toxic game" all 10 players in the game are reviewed for toxicity. but they would still be punished in the same amount of games.
this would make it easier for truly negative players to get caught faster. and also reinforces the idea of "dont be a hypocrite" because it makes it so you're reporting yourself as well.
scazzman1 votesalso. if a player uses the "report toxic game" button in the proposed new system. they would be REQUIRED to write a description in the box. "to prevent frivelous reporting by the enemy team who may not even be reading chat"
Ellis McPickle2 votesYou could just learn to have control over your emotions, stop being a child, and control what you say. Else you could continue to not learn and hope Riot gives you a perma restricting so can continue to rage in your own mind. Good luck in the real world.
aLawfulFalafel1 votesOh grow up and stop acting childish? were gonna hafta put ya in every rift game from now on, you can hand out these gems of knowledge /s hue hue hue
this is a toxic player reaching out for help, of any sort, to actually help this person, and you give the type of answer thats likely to draw a negative reaction? why? what does this accomplish?
Ellis McPickle2 votesHe's not reaching out for help. He's saying I am toxic and will continue to be forever , so restrict my chat permanently. Not looking for a negative reaction, I'm explaining the two options, either continue to not have any emotional control, like a toddler would, or grow the fuck up. Instead of trying to mock me, you can omit the first part of your statement and just get to the point.
leaugesbane1 votesHe's not reaching out for help. He's saying I am toxic and will continue to be forever , so restrict my chat permanently. Not looking for a negative reaction, I'm explaining the two options, either continue to not have any emotional control, like a toddler would, or grow the fuck up. Instead of trying to mock me, you can omit the first part of your statement and just get to the point.
its why blizzard and hots are better
they have removed most of the functions that lead to toxicity and they do a chat ban some kid had 9000 and he was a certified dick
best yet even if you are restricted you can chat with friends.... hots community is better all around even on the worst days the stress wont build up like it does with lol
RedTao1 votesAll very true. It's also funny how even being associated with LoL is considered a bad thing there. I played there for maybe a week and some of the most common things told to players trying to be toxic was if they came from League of Legends.
You know your community is toxic when other games use it to describe toxic people in theirs xD
leaugesbane1 votesAll very true. It's also funny how even being associated with LoL is considered a bad thing there. I played there for maybe a week and some of the most common things told to players trying to be toxic was if they came from League of Legends.
You know your community is toxic when other games use it to describe toxic people in theirs xD
its because they only goto hots to make a mess usually because lol will ban them and or severs crashed we dont need such people in hots
BreadSammich2 votesI don't see why people would want this. If you're hecka toxic then don't chat?
I7A6X2v21 votesI think it would be a good Idea to even make an option where you can enable/disable chat restriction as Player on your Account to safe yourself from getting toxic.
So you can't control yourself?
Guy Fox Teemo2 votesSome people honestly can't, so I don't see anything wrong with this system, although I've ever personally been chat restricted once (When I was Toxic Bronze nub), theres no reason to not have such an option.
PraetorAmalthus1 votesIf i would be in that Position, I would just buy a 2nd Keyboard, remove literall EVERY key excepts the ones i Need for skills summs and items and use that for lol. the normal one when im actually writing something
Laaaata Bitch2 votesyou need qwerdf. which is enough for me to call someone a "feeder"