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Pre-made Parties are more dangerous than ever

MarkThe2nd··2 votes·652 views

So I queue for a normals solo queue match, and I get my hands on Illaoi going as support. I like to have fun, I really do; but when I see my Jinx ADC come at 20 cs at 10 minutes, my Ryze Mid lose to a Tahm (that became 3/0/1 at 10 minutes), and a Sejuani that loves trying to 1v1 a Kayle, things get pretty frustrating. I haven't said anything remotely toxic or unsportsmanlike besides "You could work on your cs skills Jinx, take your time last-hitting". By the time we reach the inevitable surrender by my team, I realize they were pre-made ( the Jinx, Ryze, and Sejuani). I am pretty frustrated by this point and restrain to myself to a statement along the lines of "You guys weren't the best".

IMMEDIATELY, I received a pop-up of offensive language and unsportsmanlike (along those lines) and I know for a fact all three of them reported me for my last statement.

I'm not sure of you guys but I'm not happy with this injustice this system is bringing. I know the system isn't perfect, but I can't stand the fact I was vilified by a pre-made who just didn't like what I wasn't saying, let alone happen at all (albeit my frustration at the end). If pre-made parties are pretty much able to "gang-up" on practically innocent summoners, especially on things that they haven't committed, shows the flaws of the system currently in place.

I know this is just one game, but I'm pretty sure this kind of scenario has happened to many summoners already in the face of pre-made parties. This is just me just venting on the injustice I received. Thoughts?

8 Comments

Zombiemaster6 votes

First, the pop up you received is just a warning that you received a spike in reports lately, that's it. It doesn't mean that you will be punished anytime soon. The system also sends out these warnings without checking for false reports, so it's entirely possible to receive one of these warnings purely from false reports. The punishment system, on the other hand, does indeed check for false reports before handing out punishments, so you won't be punished for false reports. If you absolutely know that you did nothing wrong/punishable, then you can safely ignore the warning.

Just note, though, that retaliating against negative players with your own negative behavior is not acceptable and can get you punished. If you meet someone who is toxic in chat, the best thing for you to do is to ignore them and report them after the game.

Second, as far as reports go, the system doesn't actually look at the raw number of reports a player has received. Instead, it looks at the percentage of games that player has been reported in. This essentially means that 1 report in a single game is treated the same as 9 reports in a single game. This is to prevent premade parties from having too much power over solo players, as well as give solo players a strong enough voice when they run into toxic premades.

Teenage Riven1 votes

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First, the pop up you received is just a warning that you received a spike in reports lately, that's it. It doesn't mean that you will be punished anytime soon. The system also sends out these warnings without checking for false reports, so it's entirely possible to receive one of these warnings purely from false reports. The punishment system, on the other hand, does indeed check for false reports before handing out punishments, so you won't be punished for false reports. If you absolutely know that you did nothing wrong/punishable, then you can safely ignore the warning.

Just note, though, that retaliating against negative players with your own negative behavior is not acceptable and can get you punished. If you meet someone who is toxic in chat, the best thing for you to do is to ignore them and report them after the game.

Second, as far as reports go, the system doesn't actually look at the raw number of reports a player has received. Instead, it looks at the percentage of games that player has been reported in. This essentially means that 1 report in a single game is treated the same as 9 reports in a single game. This is to prevent premade parties from having too much power over solo players, as well as give solo players a strong enough voice when they run into toxic premades.

No the report doesnt mean you have been reported a lot if you get reported for offensive language or harrasment no matter what you will get a pop up its been proven

Jubbinaut2 votes

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No the report doesnt mean you have been reported a lot if you get reported for offensive language or harrasment no matter what you will get a pop up its been proven

Has it? Let me ask you some questions about that study, then.

What was the average report rate of the test account before the test was performed? What was the average report rate of the test account after the test was performed? What was used as a control? How many games were used in the test? How many total games had the test account played before the test was performed? What was the test account's standing with the PB systems before the test was performed? What steps were taken to prevent observer bias?

Teenage Riven1 votes

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Has it? Let me ask you some questions about that study, then.

What was the average report rate of the test account before the test was performed? What was the average report rate of the test account after the test was performed? What was used as a control? How many games were used in the test? How many total games had the test account played before the test was performed? What was the test account's standing with the PB systems before the test was performed? What steps were taken to prevent observer bias?

Simple be toxic every game. Get reported evry game observe popups

Jubbinaut2 votes

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Simple be toxic every game. Get reported evry game observe popups

That's... not very scientific. It doesn't account for nor prevent multiple possible explanations for the results. Included in those possibilities that it doesn't account for is the method that Riot's stated they use - namely, that it triggers pop-ups based on spikes in a player's average report rate.

If your "proof" doesn't invalidate other possibilities, it doesn't really prove anything.

AJStarhiker2 votes

Yeah, I know. I've had plenty of games where I had some snarky comment or complaint typed up and my finger hovering over the "Enter" key. I usually remind myself the player isn't worth the effort and hit Escape, instead, and the comment disappears into nothing.

Horse Grenades1 votes

False positives are thrown out, if you don't say anything then nothing will happen.

MarkThe2nd

Oh, didn't know that. Well, I'm glad it doesn't add offense strikes to my account at least. The thing is, it's realistically hard to NOT express my frustration. I know I shouldn't, but I'm pretty sure you guys have been at that tipping point at one point or another. It's just hard y'know?

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