Toxic players are destroying this game

Spoil3d·Jul 13, 2016·2 votes·1,369 views

There is so much to say here but i will get straight to the point.

I think toxic players should be severly banned. A simple 5min waiting time is not enough, in the last 100 ranked games i played i found more than half of these games are overwhelmed with toxic players. I lost more than half of my games due to one person refusing to listen to ithers fir advice, feeds and flames. I am at the point where i no longer want to play anymore.

This game is suppose to be fun and reasonably fair. But its always an unfair queing with feeders and flamers.

Ban these toxic players for the remainder of a season from the ranked games this will allow good player to truly improve their gameplay.

And the toxic players will realise the consiquenses of their actions.

A simple 20min ban is not enought to stop me from flaming or feeding intentionally just for the record.

40 Comments

AraMoOseJul 13, 20163 votes

Um, toxicity is not punished by 5 minute waiting time.

The first offense is a 10 game chat restriction, 2nd offense 25 game chat restriction 3rd offense 2 week suspension 4th offense permanent ban.

If you are meeting toxic players in 50% of your games (and for some reason, they are always on your team), they you need to look at the very real possibility that something in your behavior is causing them.

 A quick look at how you describe the situation leads me to believe the place you should look is :  "due to one person refusing to listen to ithers fir advice"

Unless you are a diamond smurf playing in bronze, you are matched with these people because you are roughly the same overall skill level as they are.
Unless you are the world's greatest diplomat, your "advice" is probably received as criticism.
Unless you are the world's fastest typer, your advice requires that you stop playing to type it.

Nobody likes to be bossed around, I'm sure you don't.

  So there is this one guy who makes plenty of mistakes himself, who stops playing all the time to bitch at me and tell me what to do. How would you react to that? I can tell you I would just dismiss that person as an annoying idiot on a power trip wasting my time and everyone else's. 

   Now I don't mean to call you an idiot, for all I know you're a super nice person. I'm saying that is how the kind of people who give unsolicited "advice" in game appear to me. I mute them and in the off chance they do make sense (it has happened once or twice), I will think about it post game when in a less stressful situation.

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

everyone is toxic to someone else because we're not clones. the problems is what is perceive has such by riot to get a punishment they don't want to disclose it. even to people that have been banned for toxic behavior. In the past i have been banned for such asked them what exactly it was 3 years later still waiting for an answer.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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everyone is toxic to someone else because we're not clones. the problems is what is perceive has such by riot to get a punishment they don't want to disclose it. even to people that have been banned for toxic behavior. In the past i have been banned for such asked them what exactly it was 3 years later still waiting for an answer.

Did you really need to spread this conversation over 2 posts (3 if you count the weird attack on the other thread)? The reason Riot doesn't take you by the hand to explain what you did wrong is because they already know you know what you did wrong. They also know you will just argue pointlessly (see any thread in here where someone got banned). Riot has sent you your chat logs in case you didn't remember. You say it's been 3 years, but if you still have them, feel free to post them here and we can look at them and find out what you got punished for.

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

chat log represent nothing because it's only a portion i had chat log shown to me where i didn't even typed so. the system is not perfect that's why you ask question to get answer. answering them prevent, help breaking the cycle.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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chat log represent nothing because it's only a portion i had chat log shown to me where i didn't even typed so. the system is not perfect that's why you ask question to get answer. answering them prevent, help breaking the cycle.

Chat logs represent the only part of the chat you are responsible for. You are not responsible for idiots in your game, you ARE responsible for how you act with these idiots.

Spoil3dJul 13, 20161 votes

I mainly play support role, so my score is never good because i have to get my carry fed. so my average score is terrible because i only get assists.

The advice I try to offer someone when he is 0/8/0 is to either start warding if he gets constantly ganked. But what I always say is tower hug. after 8 defeats in a 1v1 in your when are you suppose to realise you are feeding?

I even abandon my adc and go to the other lanes to help them, when we do get a chance for a kill they either run off or get greedy and die.

I can manage with other players lacking skills and the know how. but the fact that they rage and flame so much at the whole team like they did nothing wrong is unacceptable. When they take my advice as insults and start to involve my mother in the conversation I simply mute them and know its a lost cause.

Heroes of the storm has much less toxic player(my personal experience)

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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I mainly play support role, so my score is never good because i have to get my carry fed. so my average score is terrible because i only get assists.

The advice I try to offer someone when he is 0/8/0 is to either start warding if he gets constantly ganked. But what I always say is tower hug. after 8 defeats in a 1v1 in your when are you suppose to realise you are feeding?

I even abandon my adc and go to the other lanes to help them, when we do get a chance for a kill they either run off or get greedy and die.

I can manage with other players lacking skills and the know how. but the fact that they rage and flame so much at the whole team like they did nothing wrong is unacceptable. When they take my advice as insults and start to involve my mother in the conversation I simply mute them and know its a lost cause.

Heroes of the storm has much less toxic player(my personal experience)

You can mute the guy raging. It's great that you try to roam to help them out. I could also suggest you try to use him as bait.

xeviJul 13, 20161 votes

Trolls are destroying this game even more. Players who just sit in base after feeding and just pissing off you and your teammates. A Hecarim in my last ranked game got mad at the bot lane who just trolled for nearly the entirety of the game. He didn't say anything toxic or cancerous but did say he was pissed at the trolls in our game. Needless to say we lost. I feel most of these trolls are not getting banned for ruining another player's experience. In comparison to the amount of toxic people though the trolls are infrequent. But you can mute toxicity. You can't stop another player from trolling.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20163 votes

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. I feel most of these trolls are not getting banned for ruining another player's experience.

How you "feel" is irrelevant. Report them, then move on. They will get banned eventually, whether you "feel" they will or not.

There are idiots in life. They are affecting you because you are allowing them to.

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

aramoose you obviously never had to deal with that kind of situation on a match basis to say that it will eventually get to you. the main issue is this part They will get banned "eventually" shouldn't be less then 1 open work day. But since riot doesn't condenm multiple account they will always have a huge workload and by the time they finally get to the complain files that person will have ruined over 300 match. he get ban make a new account and repeat 3 month to 1 years later he get that account ban after ruining has many or even more match.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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aramoose you obviously never had to deal with that kind of situation on a match basis to say that it will eventually get to you. the main issue is this part They will get banned "eventually" shouldn't be less then 1 open work day. But since riot doesn't condenm multiple account they will always have a huge workload and by the time they finally get to the complain files that person will have ruined over 300 match. he get ban make a new account and repeat 3 month to 1 years later he get that account ban after ruining has many or even more match.

Well on the one hand, I would want to ask why it is that I don't meet these people, but you do. This is the old Troubleshooting 101 principle. If it doesn't happen to me, but it keeps happening to you, then the problem is with you.

Then on the other hand, you are asking that Riot ban people within 1 day of the offense, which you must remember would also apply to you. You make someone angry accidentally in one game, BAM, you're gone. This is not reasonable.

Finally you make a false assumption that Riot does not know when people make new accounts. They are spotted very quickly. If they violate the ToS on this new account, their punishment is far quicker. This has been stated by Reds on numerous occasions.

Even more finally, it is well known why Riot cannot blanket ban every account on a given IP or computer or whatever method you would propose to prevent these people from making new accounts. Doing so would inevitably ban every family members or roommates of toxic players, not to mention college dorms in which hundreds of people can share an IP. Would you want to get banned because there's some moron in your college dorm who rages in game?

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

doesn't happen to you because you got lucky when you started playing rank preventing that kind of issue to appear on a game basis in your case most likely a weekly basis.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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doesn't happen to you because you got lucky when you started playing rank preventing that kind of issue to appear on a game basis in your case most likely a weekly basis.

I have been lucky for 6 years?

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

you were lucky the first 2 years since they are no full hard reset that send everyone to b5 0lp with 0 mmr each season. You won't be matched with people who will instigate or be the target of blazing argument unlike many peoples mainly those near or below gold.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20161 votes

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you were lucky the first 2 years since they are no full hard reset that send everyone to b5 0lp with 0 mmr each season. You won't be matched with people who will instigate or be the target of blazing argument.

You may not be aware that I have played in bronze for all of those years. Your argument is therefore not valid.

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

well you don't take ranked seriously or you're playing for fun with friends anyway it doesn't matter consider yourself lucky that you don't have to deal with that issue.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20161 votes

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well you don't take ranked seriously or you're playing for fun with friends anyway it doesn't matter consider yourself lucky that you don't have to deal with that issue.

This entire discussion has been about arguing that is has nothing to do with luck. You are making excuses. Start making changes instead. You bore me, I'm going back to bed.

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

so did you like what you reeled with your fishing gear. :)

archerno1Jul 13, 20161 votes

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doesn't happen to you because you got lucky when you started playing rank preventing that kind of issue to appear on a game basis in your case most likely a weekly basis.

It doesnt happen to him because he has proper view on the game. Not everything you consider trolling is actually trolling or toxic.

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

has i said it's a matter of perspective and riot didn't draw many hard lines and many of their tips and warning are very vague on many subject they have more hard line on board rules to prevent toxic behavior then they have for the game itself.

IntoxableJul 13, 20161 votes

I disagree and Agree with you AramoOse, it happens to everyone in Gold or lower ELO. if you're not in gold or lower or you do not play ranked then honestly you have no business being in this thread. Plat + has weeded out majority of this horseshit.

This is something that started out small and has become almost an every other game experience. People troll or get upset after the first team death or they get mad because another player didnt do their job. I cannot tell you how many times jungle gets blamed or top gets blamed, yes there may be factors that are their fault, but blaming them does not help the outcome, it just starts the tilt.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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I disagree and Agree with you AramoOse, it happens to everyone in Gold or lower ELO. if you're not in gold or lower or you do not play ranked then honestly you have no business being in this thread. Plat + has weeded out majority of this horseshit.

This is something that started out small and has become almost an every other game experience. People troll or get upset after the first team death or they get mad because another player didnt do their job. I cannot tell you how many times jungle gets blamed or top gets blamed, yes there may be factors that are their fault, but blaming them does not help the outcome, it just starts the tilt.

Every tier thinks their Elo is exclusively toxic (as evidenced by this Totalwanabe character who told me it was because I wasn't bronze5) The solution is always the same. Be a positive force on team morale, ignore idiots and worry about what you can control (i.e. yourself).

xeviJul 13, 20161 votes

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**ignore idiots **

The thing about trolling is that you cannot ignore them. You can't ignore the 0/7 Jinx running it down mid all game. With a toxic flamer, you can mute, report, and move on, With a troll, you have to deal with that experience for the entirety of the game which is why I'm claiming that trolls ruin the LoL experience more than toxic flamers.

seraph1mJul 13, 20161 votes

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The thing about trolling is that you cannot ignore them. You can't ignore the 0/7 Jinx running it down mid all game. With a toxic flamer, you can mute, report, and move on, With a troll, you have to deal with that experience for the entirety of the game which I'm claiming that trolls ruin the LoL experience more than toxic flamers.

this is the problem with the way the system works they arent deemed toxic unless they say bad words in the game and thats the issue with the system as a whole

you cant say anything mean to people you might hurt their feelings but they can be outright garbage cost you the game and waste your time and your lp in ranked

there are no concequenses for being a burden to your team there should be

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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this is the problem with the way the system works they arent deemed toxic unless they say bad words in the game and thats the issue with the system as a whole

you cant say anything mean to people you might hurt their feelings but they can be outright garbage cost you the game and waste your time and your lp in ranked

there are no concequenses for being a burden to your team there should be

This is obviously false. There are plenty of people on these boards complaining about their bans that are not chat related.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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The thing about trolling is that you cannot ignore them. You can't ignore the 0/7 Jinx running it down mid all game. With a toxic flamer, you can mute, report, and move on, With a troll, you have to deal with that experience for the entirety of the game which is why I'm claiming that trolls ruin the LoL experience more than toxic flamers.

Of course you can ignore them. I can, why can't you? You focus on your performance. That is all.

xeviJul 13, 20161 votes

Because my performance is affected when someone is inting on mid team. May as well open mid when the enemy mid laner is 7/0 and it's already 4v5 because of the troll.

No one can remove them from the game immediately. There is no delete this player experience. You can mute someone. You can report someone. But you just have to deal with trolls. This is why they ruin the fucking experience from a gameplay perspective.

You can win with a toxic player on your team. But even trying to farm with a player running it down mid, feeding his/her ass off continuously making the game a 4v5?? Good luck. In the end it's a team game and not a 1v1.

Unlike most FPS games where the only difference between you and the enemy is skill and you can easily win 4v5s if skilled enough. You can actually ignore the guy purposely dying because the only reward the enemy gets for that is the troll dying.

LoL actually has farm and gold that can give leads. So when a troll starts inting making the game a 4v5 where the enemies are complete monsters the entire experience is ruined. The only way to actually ignore these trolls is to sit in base and AFK, and that's not fair to the rest of your non-trolling team even though they probably just want to do the exact same thing and open mid so the game ends before 20 and you can queue for a new game, hopefully without trolls.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20161 votes

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Because my performance is affected when someone is inting on mid team. May as well open mid when the enemy mid laner is 7/0 and it's already 4v5 because of the troll.

No one can remove them from the game immediately. There is no delete this player experience. You can mute someone. You can report someone. But you just have to deal with trolls. This is why they ruin the fucking experience from a gameplay perspective.

You can win with a toxic player on your team. But even trying to farm with a player running it down mid, feeding his/her ass off continuously making the game a 4v5?? Good luck. In the end it's a team game and not a 1v1.

Unlike most FPS games where the only difference between you and the enemy is skill and you can easily win 4v5s if skilled enough. You can actually ignore the guy purposely dying because the only reward the enemy gets for that is the troll dying.

LoL actually has farm and gold that can give leads. So when a troll starts inting making the game a 4v5 where the enemies are complete monsters the entire experience is ruined. The only way to actually ignore these trolls is to sit in base and AFK, and that's not fair to the rest of your non-trolling team even though they probably just want to do the exact same thing and open mid so the game ends before 20 and you can queue for a new game, hopefully without trolls.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the expression "Inting". I'm getting a bit old.

All I can do is point at my win rate. Presumably there is not some sort of conspiracy against you by the automated matchmaking system. This means that I am playing with essentially the same player base as you. The only time I've seen someone troll is when they are being raged at. And even then I've won plenty of those games too.

It's important to remember that as long as you are not a troll, there are only 4 slots available for trolls on your team, while the enemy has 5. The difference is you don't notice the idiot on the other team. Stay calm and do your best to destroy your lane opponent and it'll be his team raging at him and it'll be him acting like a moron.

xeviJul 13, 20161 votes

Inting = Intentionally Feeding

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In comparison to the amount of toxic people though the trolls are infrequent.

As I said in the original post I rarely get trolls. Every 5 games or so I'll get a flamer and in comparison to that the trolls are still pretty rare. But they ruin the fun and experience whenever I get them in my games.

And you should be able to notice the trolls on the enemy team too.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2240513361/231597454?tab=overview

Irelia inting early in the game.

Thing is you can't duel your lane opponent. If he's ahead 7 kills because of the troll on your team.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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Inting = Intentionally Feeding

As I said in the original post I rarely get trolls. Every 5 games or so I'll get a flamer and in comparison to that the trolls are still pretty rare. But they ruin the fun and experience whenever I get them in my games.

And you should be able to notice the trolls on the enemy team too.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2240513361/231597454?tab=overview

Irelia inting early in the game.

Thing is you can't duel your lane opponent. If he's ahead 7 kills because of the troll on your team.

If YOUR lane opponent is 7 kills ahead, you should be looking in the mirror, not at the other guy in your team... I feel like there's a lot of information lost in the generalization. What were you doing while your lane opponent was out of lane for long enough to get 7 kills?

The fact that I really want you to come to grips with is that I don't meet these people. At least nowhere near the rate that you describe. I am no smarter than you, no better at the game than you, what could possibly be different between you and me?

xeviJul 13, 20161 votes

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The thing about trolling is that you cannot ignore them. You can't ignore the 0/7 Jinx running it down mid all game.

Running it down mid - Running down mid and dying (worst kind of inting)

These posts are supposed to connect so sorry for the lack of clarity. If my enemy was roaming I would call mia (95% of the time) and either A. Push for tower B. (counter?)roam C. Try to secure an objective with the jungler

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The fact that I really want you to come to grips with is that I don't meet these people. At least nowhere near the rate that you describe.

Read my post above. The rate as I said was pretty rare.

The ~~point~~fact that I am trying to get across is that you can do very little to deal with trolls in your game. Ignoring them is useless since they aren't flaming chat, and they change the outcome of the game in the worst way possible but most impactful way possible by trolling and feeding intentionally. Unless they stop trolling it's very unlikely that you will win the game. Still very unlikely that you will win after the damage was done.

You probably have ran into trolls in past games but just failed to notice them if they're on the enemy team.

Sidenote: Try playing ranked more often. You can probably climb and once every blue moon you'll run into a troll who just wants to ruin the experience for everyone because they had a bad game(s).

AraMoOseJul 14, 20162 votes

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Running it down mid - Running down mid and dying (worst kind of inting)

These posts are supposed to connect so sorry for the lack of clarity. If my enemy was roaming I would call mia (95% of the time) and either A. Push for tower B. (counter?)roam C. Try to secure an objective with the jungler

Read my post above. The rate as I said was pretty rare.

The ~~point~~fact that I am trying to get across is that you can do very little to deal with trolls in your game. Ignoring them is useless since they aren't flaming chat, and they change the outcome of the game in the worst way possible but most impactful way possible by trolling and feeding intentionally. Unless they stop trolling it's very unlikely that you will win the game. Still very unlikely that you will win after the damage was done.

You probably have ran into trolls in past games but just failed to notice them if they're on the enemy team.

Sidenote: Try playing ranked more often. You can probably climb and once every blue moon you'll run into a troll who just wants to ruin the experience for everyone because they had a bad game(s).

Well, I want to make a special effort not to be rude, because you're engaging and respectful and such things, but I feel like we're going around in circles. What I mean by ignoring these trolls is not "mute them" it is "act like they are a normal player", because usually they are. They are usually behaving like this because someone on their team is putting them on tilt (calling them a feeder, raging at them, giving them obvious and stupid "advice", etc.). The first thing to do is to not be that guy pushing the Jinx into super tilt mode. I get the impression you've got that one down already. The next step is to be a force for good on your team. After the first dumb mistake you say something like :

"I still love you jinx"

 If you're good at humor *looks at self adoringly in a mirror* like I am, you can make a joke that'll preempt the tilt. Midget or Hamster jokes for Yordles, cat vomit jokes for Rengar or nidalee, etc.

Finally for the specific example we're discussing, I want to re iterate that if your lane opponent is able to leave the lane long enough to get 7 kills, there is really something going wrong in your lane. Let's just assume for discussion that your opponent is Leblanc (or anyone who likes to roam). You should be applying lane pressure to that Leblanc before she gets a chance to roam. Pushing the minions into her tower AFTER she's gone is ok for denying her minions, but it's hardly punishing her if she's getting a double kill every time. Make it so that the second she leaves, she loses her tower AND she gets counter ganked. The only way she can afford to go bot lane 7 times (or 3.5 times) is if she is not receiving any pressure whatsoever in her lane.

  Also since you know where she's going to go, you can follow her (assuming you've warded correctly and don't facetank her combo). When she comes into botlane for a 3v2, you can meet her along with your jungler for a surprise 4v3 and murder her stupid face. Then you can say something like

"This is for JINX! RAISES FIST TO THE SKY

xeviJul 14, 20161 votes

Trolls troll because they can. They don't do it because someone on their team is flaming. They do it out of spite from past games. Some do it because they can. The games are rare but when it happens you can't do anything about it. Just accept the lost and move on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhZxzTNdyM

Spoil3dJul 13, 20161 votes

a simple solution to the problem I am facing, I like ranked for the banner rewards etc, so when toxic players screw up ranked games, they should be banned from playing ranked for the rest of the season. this will still keep them in the league community and allow them to improve their behavior while not holding back player who are seriously trying to climb the ladders of ranked games.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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a simple solution to the problem I am facing, I like ranked for the banner rewards etc, so when toxic players screw up ranked games, they should be banned from playing ranked for the rest of the season. this will still keep them in the league community and allow them to improve their behavior while not holding back player who are seriously trying to climb the ladders of ranked games.

I'm not sure why you would want to keep a toxic player in the community to be honest. If the guy has had a warning, a 10 game chat ban, a 25 game chat ban, a 2 week suspension and then a permanent ban, this person is not going to change their behavior. Banning him from ranked will just transpose his behavior into normals.

scazzmanJul 13, 20161 votes

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a simple solution to the problem I am facing, I like ranked for the banner rewards etc, so when toxic players screw up ranked games, they should be banned from playing ranked for the rest of the season. this will still keep them in the league community and allow them to improve their behavior while not holding back player who are seriously trying to climb the ladders of ranked games.

they tried that. and then normals became a hellhole

MissFishbonesJul 13, 20161 votes

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aramoose you obviously never had to deal with that kind of situation on a match basis to say that it will eventually get to you. the main issue is this part They will get banned "eventually" shouldn't be less then 1 open work day. But since riot doesn't condenm multiple account they will always have a huge workload and by the time they finally get to the complain files that person will have ruined over 300 match. he get ban make a new account and repeat 3 month to 1 years later he get that account ban after ruining has many or even more match.

Thats not true. There are hundreds of posts that have people saying they got permabanned and learned their lessons. I do agree that some people are only there to ruin the fun of othets but most people are there to have fun. A percentage of those people are toxic but they do learn from their mistakes.

And ofcourse they cant ban someone just cause they were reported once, otherwise people would start reporting good players just to get them off of league. And even the nicest person ever can make a mistake and rage, you wanna ban the whole league community?

TotalwanabeJul 13, 20161 votes

like tyler1 toxic like no others but quite good there's the controversy with meteos seem he's share tyler1 toxicity but doesn't seem to get punished. I guess it's because they are bias since Riot condone cheating to a certain extend when they fined a team during a championship for looking at the monitor that everyone was watching (ghosting in short) the team should had been disqualified period. i think it was azubu or assasins.

AraMoOseJul 13, 20162 votes

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like tyler1 toxic like no others but quite good there's the controversy with meteos seem he's share tyler1 toxicity but doesn't seem to get punished. I guess it's because they are bias since Riot condone cheating to a certain extend when they fined a team during a championship for looking at the monitor that everyone was watching (ghosting in short) the team should had been disqualified period. i think it was azubu or assasins.

If you think Meteos' behavior is in any way comparable to Tyler1, then I think we have found the real problem...

IntoxableJul 13, 20161 votes

I cannot begin to count how many games I have lost to trolls, which then makes Pro's advice for climbing Elo irrelevant.

Yes you need to focus on yourself not "your team" But that does not apply when you have a ryze die to irelia 8 times toplane then AFK ragequit. Then it becomes a ranked 4v5 and our Sejuani decides, i'm going to give up because 4v5 is impossible, which I tried to politely explain to him/her that never give up, we had a decent 4 man team and good wombo, but he chose to get tilted by the ryze and in turn it ruined a potentially winnable game.

I explained to him yes its hard, but sitting in fountain is just as bad as our Ryze, it was 9 kills to 11 kills, we were very much in the game. I also explained to him, thinking like he was, he will be stuck in silver for the rest of his life.

I agree trolls/ragers/salty people and even boosters/smurfs are ruining the game for Silver-Plat players. I have gone up elo and down elo as well as rank, regardless of my playing because 1 or 2 people decide their going to go teemo jungle and feed 30 kills. It's a rat race and it sucks. I hope Rito has some plans for the future because Heroes of the storm is looking better and better.