Ways to fix how people treat ranked.

StarGuardianYuki··3 votes·1,311 views

The problem that mainly comes into the ranked environment is that people do not care. "It's just a game." "Video games are suppose to be fun." I understand what these people are saying and are right in a way but there are time and places for that. Ranked is not one of them. Ranked is a very stressful place where most people come after 'training' growing their skills and want to put what they can do to the test and climb the ladder. Ranked is not meant to be fun not at all, the amount of time i get "First time (insert champion)" or "I'm trying this new full Ad mage build." People do not care what happens to other people as long as they get what they want and there is no punishment for it and other people have to suffer. Reporting does not help because it takes too many reports for something to get done and the enemy team will not report someone on the opposite team because they hope to go against them again for an easy win and the rare time that something is done it's not enough to punish the offender to make them change, but the people that screwed over have to suffer the most. Take me for example: Last season I was in my promos of Gold 5. I was 2 wins in and just need 1 win. Someone on my team says "Hey, I can't jungle can I swap roles with someone?" I gave up mid too him like a good player who cam play multiple roles should do. 10 seconds into the game the person that I gave my role too says. "Guys I'm trying to be the worst player in league so report me after the game." He then disconnected form the game leaving it a 4v5. We lost the game. I was mad but didn't sweat it too much and went into the next game. I lost the next game because our top laner wanted to play top for the first time and insta-lock a champion they have never used before and had seen a pro player use. He fed his lane and got mad at the rest of the team for now camping his lane and went and fed every other lane. That was the spiral to my mmr dropping so much that I get teamed up with people that just hit level 30 and want to jump into ranked but that is drifting for the point of what I wanted to state. Fixing how ranked and punishment are treated.

WAYS FOR FIXING RANKED

1: Change how the report system works, You can start but limiting how many times you can report like in Dota 2. This way if a person receives high number of reports it will mean that they are bad for the league community. I understand that a lot of games go on every hour but a team needs to be made to hand ranked reports.

2: Punishment needs to be more severe, Banning someone for sometime or perma-banning is not a threat because smurfing exist, Smurfing was created back in the early years of league when high elo queues took 30-45 minutes. Now it is used to troll or make people feel good about themselves for crushing weaker players. If people get too many reports with limited report system there should be levels of punishment. Strike 1, warning telling them they have been getting reported a lot. Strike 2, low-priority punishment where they can only play play with other people they are like theme toxic,ragers, etc. Strike 3 Division lose. Make them lose rankings. Gold 5 drop to Silver 1 no matter how much lp they have. Yes it is harsh but that is what they are doing to the people they are playing with I have had friends that have been dropped to bronze because stuff like this so those people should suffer as well.

3: Test a kick feature in champ select. A meta exist for are reason and in rank it really should be followed because I can not talk to people that I queue up with they are not my friend they do not know who I think and I do not know how they think that's why a meta is created to to help with throwing a game plan together. Have a kick vote in place. If someone says "I want this or that or else I feed." Let us be able to kick that person. There would have to be trial and error to make sure its not abused.

4: Reward people more/better. I have been giving the good sportsman award every season it has been out. I had the ribbon, I have the icon I have the skin, Which says I am a good person more or less but that doesn't help my rank, people with the system in place punishes people for losing when it could be completely out of their control, I will take a lose if I deserve it but other people or myself will mess up bad and cost the game how is that the other peoples fault? A way needs to be made to help with this. Instead of lowering peoples lp because of them losing raise it until the reach the next rank, then it can reset?

These are just some thing I can think of they may be good they may not but suffering for other people is not why I play ranked and is not cool.

36 Comments

Koonta Kintae2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Senpai Lordtokai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=br45Xtey,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-17T16:44:22.725+0000)

"Ranked is not meant to be fun not at all..."

Uh hahahaha

It's a game if it's not meant to be fun what is it meant to be? OP probably should lay off the tryhard pills.[slayer-jinx-wink]

WilliTheWit1 votes

All I read here is about ranks, mistakes, people insulting people, and fun or no fun. I would agree that any game mode should be fun - therefore it is a game, yes. I am not favouring the "first timers" on a champ that the OP mentioned.

Ranked is ranked for a reason, apart from the fun factor. Ranked is competition, and it is meant serious (at least if you take it as such). Changing reports / benefits won't change people's behaviour, I believe.

Thinking about what goes through my head when we see the splashes in the loading screen, is that whenever i see my teammates having a mastery crest on their champ makes me feel good.

Why not having a restriction that allows you to enter ranked only with champs where you have mastery level 4 or 5? This might empower the competitive landscape, keeps away the first timers, and is easy to implement. I only go into ranked with champs where I have lvl 4 or 5. The rest is for skilling up in normals. (Apart from that, I also support that mastery points should only be granted for wins).

Koonta Kintae1 votes

Having a mastery restriction only would decrease potential fun. Just today I played Sivir for the first time in ranked (in at least 6 months anyway) after a teammate intentionally banned my darius top pick. I then went on to get an S- victory complete with a hextech loot box. All while playing a champion that I hadn't played since before her last major update.

disregardable1 votes

Riot implemented Dynamic Queue so people could have fun with their friends in ranked. They seriously 100% believe that ranked should be fun and competitive at the same time.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

My friends are in ranking that stop them from playing with me in ranked, to have 'fun' in a competitive environment you have to go against people your skill or higher, and because of complete bad luck I can not do that.

disregardable1 votes

Make friends at your own elo?

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

Where I am and where I should be are two completely different things.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

A ranked game mode is not for fun, normals and special game modes is where fun should be. A RANKED mode is a game is for serious competition. Everyone has their own idea of fun. I have fun with competition that's is why I play to for the thrill of finding someone stronger then me and getting stronger to beat them I don't find "seeing how mad i can make my team at me" fun. Losing because other people want to mess around is not fun. Winning is fun I am a try hard I want to win I like winning that is my fun the feeling of victory is fun to me.

JlackBesus1 votes

Its just your case. I only play ranked just to have less retards in the team but IT IS STILL A GAME. Ranked is a game mode in a video game that was meant to be competitive. And if you have been "training" and trying hard for a couple seasons and you are still g5, good luck.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

You do not get it, you treat games as game some people do not see it that way. You do not have the right to tell someone to treat something as just a game you do not understand how they think or what their circumstances are.

JlackBesus1 votes

You do not get it, you should treat games as games, not your life.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

What right do you have to say that? Do you know me? Do you know others? Games are games is your opinion not mine. Also everyone has a different idea of 'fun' Being better then other people is fun to me, winning is fun. The stronger some is the more fun i have and when I go into a Ranked game mode, a mode that rewards you for being better them other people I expect to play with people that feel the same. If you idea of fun is to mess around and lose the game making other people lose just to have fun where is the line? "Oh, I'm just treating this as a game so I won't really try because it is a game." Am I suppose to take the lose thus me not having fun because you your type of fun, how is that fair?

notice me Sin pi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Senpai Lordtokai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=br45Xtey,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-17T16:44:22.725+0000)

2: Punishment needs to be more severe, ... Strike 3 Division lose. Make them lose rankings. Gold 5 drop to Silver 1 no matter how much lp they have. Yes it is harsh but that is what they are doing to the people they are playing with I have had friends that have been dropped to bronze because stuff like this so those people should suffer as well.

3: Test a kick feature in champ select. A meta exist for are reason and in rank it really should be followed because I can not talk to people that I queue up with they are not my friend they do not know who I think and I do not know how they think that's why a meta is created to to help with throwing a game plan together. Have a kick vote in place. If someone says "I want this or that or else I feed." Let us be able to kick that person. There would have to be trial and error to make sure its not abused.

If people can be lowered in rank simply by being toxic, it might encourage smurfers to be toxic in their main just to get demoted, unlike a perma ban. And seeing people not playing on par with oneself would also cause more toxicity telling them to uninstall or something

also Kick feature would be problematic in many ways: -4 premade wants to troll, go vote n kick. -4 premade doesnt want to comply with the solo player not going support, go vote n kick -some people get out of bronze and climb by going off-meta. There are streamers out there who have shown it by reaching challenger by playing one champ in all 5 roles. maybe make the kick feature available if champion mastery is below lv3??

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

That is why I said there will be trail and error, with your premade startment. A 4 premade alone is bad because they have say in anything anyway. If the random does not do what they say they will get trolled of dodge losing them lp anyway. The smurfing thing will always be a thing i have seen streamers make and account get it to 30 go into ranked to beat on bronze player then delete that account when it hit silver and make a new one. But the point of a meta is for players that clear do not know what they are doing. I was in a game not too long ago in a promo 1 win 1 lose. We got into champ select, the person queued for mid and support. He got support and demanded that I give up mid to him and he instalocked his champion. We ended up losing because he fed because I didnt give him mid and when i did he continued to feed saying I should have gave him mid sooner. No one but me reported him where is the justice in that?

Troll Armada1 votes

you clearly underestimate how many accounts angry nerds and vindictive boosters create in order to manipulate ranked

Ada Wong1 votes

The problem is Meta, Anyone who disagrees with something means a person is trolling, for example yesterday I went Sona top based off 3 other players playing weird stuff before they decided to change, and I get a toxic player go top, take my role, Yell at me to support, I tell them no at champion select, Game gets thrown off I die like 14 times and get banned for feeding?

So the only way to fix such issues would be to (Make Champions based off specific roles) for example would be to make champions have to be played by specific players filling a certain role which means.

A.) Players would still argue over what support is better during a lane phase as well as what ADC I would for example. (Because there are all different types of supports and different ways I personally group certain types of play champions vs what other people think or do.

B.) Players who are pro players would just pick and Swap lanes in game so it creates a whole new issue.

The kick / disband feature isn't a bad idea because of trolls like earlier griefing games if he was going to do that the game could have been disbanded/left the game to prevent a bad game for 3 other players.

The other problem with champion selection no one talks, and when someone disagrees with someone like 99% of the time players will argue or do it anyways so it doesn't matter you get unskilled players, its just going likely be a toxic experience, the only way to avoid this is Queue as 5 players.

The only way to solve these problems is to enforce strict communication policy's at champion selection for example someone says Don't go master YI because (X) reason here, and the player reply's with " I am going "X" Champion because of "X" reason, but then it still leads to an argument and with very little seconds and having to write a 300 word essay on a champion or types of play what you end up with is 5 players, each which do different types of composition based champions and that is what throws games hard.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

There is no way to tell is someone is intentionally feeding or not. With a limited report system how many people do you think would waste one of their limited report because you had a bad game? not many. In dota 2 they have that system and I do not report someone unless they are toxic or truly trolling. There is no communication in league to begin with some people have trouble typing so they do not have the time to write this and that. Meta is always changing but when someone says " I'm going ad mid lulu because sometimes it works." Everyone tells him not to and then he feeds why do i have to suffer because of that? Like I said before I can not play with my friends because a run in with bad luck I am stuck in a place lover them my actual skill level.

3rd Age1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ada Wong,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=br45Xtey,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-04-18T09:42:50.823+0000)

The problem is Meta, Anyone who disagrees with something means a person is trolling, for example yesterday I went Sona top based off 3 other players playing weird stuff before they decided to change, and I get a toxic player go top, take my role, Yell at me to support, I tell them no at champion select, Game gets thrown off I die like 14 times and get banned for feeding?

So the only way to fix such issues would be to (Make Champions based off specific roles) for example would be to make champions have to be played by specific players filling a certain role which means.

A.) Players would still argue over what support is better during a lane phase as well as what ADC I would for example. (Because there are all different types of supports and different ways I personally group certain types of play champions vs what other people think or do.

B.) Players who are pro players would just pick and Swap lanes in game so it creates a whole new issue.

The kick / disband feature isn't a bad idea because of trolls like earlier griefing games if he was going to do that the game could have been disbanded/left the game to prevent a bad game for 3 other players.

The other problem with champion selection no one talks, and when someone disagrees with someone like 99% of the time players will argue or do it anyways so it doesn't matter you get unskilled players, its just going likely be a toxic experience, the only way to avoid this is Queue as 5 players.

The only way to solve these problems is to enforce strict communication policy's at champion selection for example someone says Don't go master YI because (X) reason here, and the player reply's with " I am going "X" Champion because of "X" reason, but then it still leads to an argument and with very little seconds and having to write a 300 word essay on a champion or types of play what you end up with is 5 players, each which do different types of composition based champions and that is what throws games hard.

go away, your opinion means nothing

you're bronze 5 and banned for intentionally feeding

Lothàrs Edge1 votes

You want reports to stack based on how many people report X person without any reason behind it? You're joking right? You might as well roast yourself on a stake too. Unfortunately for you, it has been officially declared that no one person can decide how the game is played. Unless they're outright trolling, you cannot decide for yourself whether or not their choice to pick/build something is bad. You are in the same game as they are, you are in the same division as they are, therefore you must deal with it. Not the other way around.

Meta exists for a reason, sure. That reason is not absolute nor does it have to be followed to the T. You want to know the solution? Focus on yourself and only yourself. Don't look at the next person and blame them for your own mishaps. Nothing bothers me more than someone attributing fault in a false/delusional manner.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

What are you talking about? It would be the same report system but with limited reports per person, and have them carry more weight. You clearly are looking at this wrong and do not understand before running your mouth. Meta Most Effective Tactics Available. Do you understand what that means? I means what works for a bunch of people that have trouble communicating. As for me I am not in the elo by choice. I have had bad luck in matchmaking. Also yes you can too say if someones build is bad. If the enemy team has 3 Ap champions and they build nothing but armor because that is what a build says is wrong and makes you useless to the team. I someone is behind and is feeding but refuses to build defensive items to help them live they are wrong and is putting the team at risk. For your last statement I can not do that because this is a 'TEAM GAME'. If it was like a fighting game where it is 1 on 1 then I can't do that. And 'therefore you must deal with it. Not the other way around.' statement is stupid to say because it is a team game if you are not thinking about the team that is wrong.

Lothàrs Edge1 votes

Watch yourself before you drop yourself.

You are looking at this the wrong way and you lack the understanding here.

Meta- something that isn't enforced. Do you understand what that means? Apparently not.

LOL. So you think you're stuck in ELO hell. Ah, you belong in the category of "Blamers & Flamers". Everyone has bad luck in matchmaking. Some more so than others. All evens out at the end of the day. Hell, I'm dealing with a troll ADC as we speak.

You are definitely allowed to say that they're bad or their build is bad, just as much as they're allowed to say that you're bad. Is it encouraging? Probably not. Perhaps they are, but that isn't something you have control over.

It isn't stupid. It's something you have to deal with. You are the one with the issues. You are complaining. You are whining. Not the other people.

PDE5 Inhib1 votes

The community decides this, and they have decided that trolling in ranked is perfectly acceptable as long as they're having fun. It's the reason that NA won't win worlds.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

People troll when they want attention and because nothing bad happens to them it continues to happen over and over again. People say 'it's just a game' When they do not want to take blame for something. It is a scapegoat to not feel bad. Because they are behind a computer screen they feel they are protected that because they have this wall nothing should happen. To some people this may be more to them, maybe this is their lively hood. If you did this in real life it would be treated differently.

PDE5 Inhib1 votes

If you did this in real life it would be treated differently.

Aren't we in real life now?

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

People do not treat it that way because it is on the internet.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

you are silver 4:)..where do you think you should be?

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

silver 4 is where I got stuck, last season i was 1 win from getting gold then my mmr dropped and I continued to lose after that. By now i should be mid-high gold on my way to low plat. I would say between gold 3-plat 5 but no higher for now.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Senpai Lordtokai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=br45Xtey,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-04-18T13:00:57.079+0000)

silver 4 is where I got stuck, last season i was 1 win from getting gold then my mmr dropped and I continued to lose after that. By now i should be mid-high gold on my way to low plat. I would say between gold 3-plat 5 but no higher for now.

the truth is this..you deserve to be in silver 4 bcs you are silver 4;;)..simple as that

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

What right do you have to say that? Have you played with me? Have you tracked what I do in games? Are you my personal coach? If not you have no right to say where I should or should not be.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Senpai Lordtokai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=br45Xtey,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-18T13:21:34.282+0000)

What right do you have to say that? Have you played with me? Have you tracked what I do in games? Are you my personal coach? If not you have no right to say where I should or should not be.

Let me ask you this. Since you are silver 4 right..how did you came to the conclusion that you deserve high gold? i mean, that's a huge difference:).. just wondering how you think you deserve gold.

Bcs, in s5 i peaked at d3 and dropped back down to d5..was it my team? nope, it was me..i didn;t deserve to be d3:)

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

Who I face and beat in normals. I end up going against plat players. How I play, how I farm, my over all sense of the game.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Senpai Lordtokai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=br45Xtey,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-18T13:33:05.139+0000)

Who I face and beat in normals. I end up going against plat players. How I play, how I farm, my over all sense of the game.

normal games are normal games.. Most of the time, "high" ranking just play the game..They don't play to win..huge difference;) u If you think you deserve higher, it's not that hard to carry in silver as a gold player:))..But, you can't do that, bcs, you are bad at the game:).

Let me explain what ranked is..It's all about mistakes. The higher you go, less mistakes you should make, or, atleast know your mistakes. In my elo, i do make alot of mistakes that's why i am always between d4 and d5:).

You are in silver- you don't even know what mistakes you make:)..

I will give an example. I dropped bcs of inactivity last season. I dropped to p2. Anyway, i played 2 games to get back into the game. And decided to climb back. I was surprised to see that i was above them and dominating them.i could see that from my gameplay and the enemy gameplay. I was better;). And i climbed bcs i managed to make really good decisions and was pretty on point with my mechanics.

This season. i managed to climb to promos for d3. But i climbed there bcs i had really good decision making. My mechanics/champ pool for that elo was kind of bad-i have high mmr and i was playing vs d1. I had games with an ok KDA, but i didn't carry those games. I just made really good decisions and climbed;) My game knowledge is pretty good and i can win games just based on this.

In silver, if you think you are better, what's stopping you from carrying those games?

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

First off I look at my mistakes, i tend to record my games and watch them over seeing what I did wrong or what I could I have done better. 'If I had warded here I might have not died.' 'If we fought here or took this objective this or this might have happened.' I always look and see what I can do better. Where my mmr has put me is in where people want to get kills more then objectives, do not know how to build to suit the game we are in, refuse to ward and push out and getting mad they died. I have been in many games where I have do the right thing. IE: Ganking lanes(map pressure) and not taking kills to get others ahead, Throw down wards all over the mini map, buying the warding jungling item because our support refused to buy a sightstone. I secured 4 dragons in a right after they spawn, them what happens in those games? The team want ingore the calls the mias the baron calls and what to wander around the unwarded jungle and die or suicide push mid when clearly we can not team fight them. I make good decisions but because of things out of my control we end up losing. Like I said you do not know me personally you do not know what I do and do not do. I take every lose and learn from it. You may or may not have just gotten lucky. Alot of a team based rank system is it iis mostly made up of luck of the draw.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Senpai Lordtokai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=br45Xtey,comment-id=00080000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-18T14:19:47.820+0000)

First off I look at my mistakes, i tend to record my games and watch them over seeing what I did wrong or what I could I have done better. 'If I had warded here I might have not died.' 'If we fought here or took this objective this or this might have happened.' I always look and see what I can do better. Where my mmr has put me is in where people want to get kills more then objectives, do not know how to build to suit the game we are in, refuse to ward and push out and getting mad they died. I have been in many games where I have do the right thing. IE: Ganking lanes(map pressure) and not taking kills to get others ahead, Throw down wards all over the mini map, buying the warding jungling item because our support refused to buy a sightstone. I secured 4 dragons in a right after they spawn, them what happens in those games? The team want ingore the calls the mias the baron calls and what to wander around the unwarded jungle and die or suicide push mid when clearly we can not team fight them. I make good decisions but because of things out of my control we end up losing. Like I said you do not know me personally you do not know what I do and do not do. I take every lose and learn from it. You may or may not have just gotten lucky. Alot of a team based rank system is it iis mostly made up of luck of the draw.

dude, you are silver 4:)..enough said lol. If you deserve higher you will get higher:)..simple as that. Idk what you are doing wrong.. but you are doing alot of things wrong-hence the elo you are in.

Idk what you expect lol..everybody tryhard bcs you tryhard? no dude..everybody had good days and bad days.. sometimes i try new champs in ranked sometimes i tryhard in ranked..1 thing i never do. i never blame my team, especially if i am ahead. It's my fault for not being able to carry that game. and

I consider diamond elo a noob elo dude:)..just so you know.. I think real games begin in d1-masters.

I make sometimes bad plays, bad decisions..but i know i made them. You are stuck there bcs of yourself, not others..

And did i say luck? I've worked my way up to d5..so it is not luck..it's my skill/knowledge.

Your skill/knowledge is enough for low silver..not gold..

1 800 MID LANE1 votes

People climb better when they stop caring about their rank and start thinking more about what they could've done differently. High ELO players will tell you the same thing. You don't climb ranked by telling yourself you're better than your teammates. You climb ranked by first accepting that you just might be where you should be. The sooner you admit that to yourself, the sooner you can worry about your own mistakes and actually fix them.

Oh, there's a troll in my game? Guess I'll give up and waste 40 minutes complaining about it tilted as hell and not bothering to see what I could've done better in lane or somewhere else.

OR

Oh, there's a troll in my game? /ignore all and focus on my own thing because, believe it or not, you can still learn some things out of games like that.

Which sounds more beneficial? You gain literally nothing from being aggressive towards someone. It tilts you, your team, and you spend time typing when you could be thinking about the game itself. On the other hand, if some guy is trolling you specifically, you learn to play from behind. In the case of a support trolling an ADC or vise-versa, you learn to be independent and simply hold your lane. Both of which are skills that are notorious for being minimal or simply non-existent in low ELO bot lane mains. That also helps you learn one way to deal with split-pushers. You don't have to kill them. Just hold the lane. Optimally, you'd fight the 4v5, but letting your team go as a 4v4 and you holding the split off is generally the second best thing to do.

StarGuardianYuki1 votes

In game I always work and make decisions based on what is best for the team. I always learn from my mistakes and I tend to not repeat them. But my point with this list is that people such as myself suffer because of people and they do not get punished enough for it and the people that are sportsman and team players do get punished.

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