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chat and penalty system , opinion of an 8 year veteran player

Tomiboy·7/20/2018, 3:11:16 PM·3 votes·1,555 views

HI there, Its quite some time i have invested in LoL. Mostly and especially the last years were in my eyes a waste of time. The reason for it is simple: the chat system: Over the years i enjoyed the game, suddenly my attiude is not appropriate at all. 2 account got banned in this year, furthermore several chat restrictions happened; only cause I asked a player to stop feeding and concentrate on the game again. If i follow the guide of Roit:

  1. I should mute him and focus on my game. I cant. I am a verbal active and proud fellow veteran player, who thinks he knows what the right thing to do is. I try to behave proper and constructive, but as one who plays this game for such a long time, i just keep using some key words like "om_", "w_f" "reported" "fe_ding". Those "trigger" words are easy and fast to write and make the purpose by translating my meaning properly, cause everyone understands them. Even the verbal unprofund ones^^.But Roit prefs "Hey m8 lets work something out and we both concentrate on our game so we can win." First of all it sounds well, but think about it in game. Until i finished writing this i died already 1 time or lost one minion wave. So first of all: These trigger words are easy to write and everybody understand its meaning. Additonally how can I be silent if you filled in with rage, when there is somebody enjoying to be destrucitve by ruining the game? I cant... I am already proud of myself to nearly be always capable of going the construcitve way, moreover we all know how the easiest would be. Even if he insults me and keeps feeding, the disrespect, the time and so many more factors are getting onto my nerfes, by trying to be calm. But shall i just play like a machine and mute him and after this game i report him and i feel good? I dont even know mostly if someone got punished. The answer is no! i dont feel good, cause i know if i warn him to play good or i report him, he might play for real again. Over the 8 years i play this game i know one thing now for sure, that a warning to be reported and asking for help from the enemy team, often results into a blessing. Of course if my way is only constructive and i can rely on facts that way is the proper one. 2.Stating facts: By relying on arguments sticked togehter with the trigger words results in chat restraction. I just use them generally without meaning anything like: "omg, just look at your dmg, why you blame me??" this sentence resulted in punishment. i just defend myself emotionaly but based on given facts! Should i let him flame all game, moreover i know he is unright. Again my veteren self tells me no! I try to adjust my anger towards him and tell him my opinion relied on facts and arguments. Still its not proper for Roit....
  2. Interaction, causal Meaning: Roit forgets always in my eyes there are always 2 people who flame, but if i get punished i only see my chat log: its out of the blue. If i consider my words alone, some would seem to me emotional, even some could be felt as blaming, but reflecting on what happend, like some troll went my lane and i went his, with wrong champ and i feed, the team gets angry on me, i should have the right to defend myself... With there style to send me my offensive words, they ingore the most important thing about communication: its meaning and causal interaction betweeen 2 people. If there is a chat one should use it: If the other player blames and flames at you should have the right to at least see that both of you get punished and i see the words of the others: cause: nowadays everthing gets more complexed and everything is influenced and involved by something else. Its just past the time to pick one out of 2 interdepended and causal interlations! -> (the one cant live without the other one, otherwise like a blank space)
  3. Buying players to behave: Now so many events come across. But instead of fixing knowingly problems, they keep on trying to make their players behave. Thats not even a bad idea, but their way they try to blind their players to oversee the opening gaps are just hurting my eyes. I have to follow their new way of appraoching, if dont i dont get any rewards. i feel like a little child in a idealstic world, but as soon as i speak or think i get punished. If i follow their guideline i get rewarded; i even feel like a pet. I feel like my rights as a player and as an individual player who can difference between right und false are getting denied. Furthermore i really enjoy talking and communicate with other players who have different opinions on the game. LIke this i can live out a bigger horizont then before and be able to learn some new cultures from other contries. Sometimes its emotional and and the edge of an eye, but this is an epsport game right?- As long as we can be construcitve and know the commonly rules of a conversation, there is 0 reason to be influenced by the mechanics rules of Roit.
  4. emotions-esport: -if you punish feelings and emotions you lose your right as an esport game. No talking in game and no outliving of emotions is a dead game! Everthing is down mirrored otherwise punished immediately.
  5. Fun: I have not read a funny sentence in game nore even pre or past the game for a year. Years ago, there was a lots of fun a,lone just in the so long champion selection. Everyone wrote down their being and what they do, and wrote about series they watch. Now nothing. I mean i can understand that some hate this kinda stuff, but for this i would recommend a mute button. There is nor fun, cause i guess every one is scared to be punished by trivial talks. now everyone spams their emotes and expresses some random state of their being. It does not say a thing. I does not give me a feeling of communication, thats the main reason why I even sticked to the game: not because i want to win no matter what, no! , cause i wanna learn new people. Roit lost their identiy; or just for me i lost my connection for my so long game.
  6. conlcusion My idea is to rework the chat as whole new thing: no chating possible if you wanna go this uncompromising path where each player can open up a chat menu and can only click on the existing selections that are given, but you can freely talk before and after the game. LIke this there cant anyone missbehave like you dont want to and afterwards you can ban players for their unright action in game. If you decide to go the emotional athletical way i would just be more open up with communication in general. Ban those who say muddy words and send them the whole chat log of each player and mark the punished player words. Additonaly this player can only watch the words and only copy his own words and cant use them openly, thus there are no offended terms of privacy. But he should be able by asking the support to go on the whole chat log of each player and with this he can justifiy his actions. Everyone should have this right. Dispite this, dont just go for writing words but look also for their in game arguments. If they rely on facts , even though they wrote sth. like "o_g" or "w_f" dont punish it. One just try to respond quickly, while in the game.

Of course i have many more ideas towards this topic, "but too much is no good" :D tell me what you think about it, but i think we all know that this system needs a change, instead of a new emote thingy....

14 Comments

Voldymort7/20/2018, 3:51:30 PM4 votes

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As a fellow 8year old player, i'll have to disagree with all that

[sg-ahri-2]

But shall i just play like a machine and mute him and after this game i report him and i feel good? I dont even know mostly if someone got punished.

It doesn't matter if he did or not. You are here to play the game, not seek vengence on randoms to feel better about yourself.

The answer is no! i dont feel good, cause i know if i warn him to play good or i report him, he might play for real again.

If you threaten with reports, more often than not, the exact opposite will happen.

Over the 8 years i play this game i know one thing now for sure, that a warning to be reported and asking for help from the enemy team, often results into a blessing.

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i just defend myself emotionaly but based on given facts! Should i let him flame all game, moreover i know he is unright. Again my veteren self tells me no! I try to adjust my anger towards him and tell him my opinion relied on facts and arguments. Still its not proper for Roit....

That's because... [inhales]... there's no such thing as self defense in chat. You are not in danger from their words and talking back doesn't protect you from anything. All that is in danger is your ego. MUTING is the actual self defense.

  1. Interaction, causal Meaning: Roit forgets always in my eyes there are always 2 people who flame, but if i get punished i only see my chat log: its out of the blue. If i consider my words alone, some would seem to me emotional, even some could be felt as blaming, but reflecting on what happend, like some troll went my lane and i went his, with wrong champ and i feed, the team gets angry on me, i should have the right to defend myself... With there style to send me my offensive words, they ingore the most important thing about communication: its meaning and causal interaction betweeen 2 people.

They just send you your side of the chat because only that side matters

There is NO context in which you being toxic to someone else is ok. It doesn't matter what he did to rile you up. Someone else being toxic is not an excuse for you to be toxic too free of charge!

If there is a chat one should use it:

You can use it just fine without being a d!ck

If the other player blames and flames at you should have the right to at least see that both of you get punished

Why? Are you here to play the game or play chat based vigilantee? Because if the latter is your thing then there's a website you can use: twitter

I have to follow their new way of appraoching, if dont i dont get any rewards. i feel like a little child in a idealstic world, but as soon as i speak or think i get punished. If i follow their guideline i get rewarded; i even feel like a pet. I feel like my rights as a player and as an individual player who can difference between right und false are getting denied.

You agreed to follow riot's rules when you made the account. If you dont like the rules, you should play something else.

but this is an epsport game right?- As long as we can be construcitve and know the commonly rules of a conversation, there is 0 reason to be influenced by the mechanics rules of Roit.

Riot's game, riot's rules. Don't like it? Too bad!

  1. emotions-esport: -if you punish feelings and emotions you lose your right as an esport game. No talking in game and no outliving of emotions is a dead game! Everthing is down mirrored otherwise punished immediately.

Now everyone spams their emotes and expresses some random state of their being. It does not say a thing. I does not give me a feeling of communication, thats the main reason why I even sticked to the game: not because i want to win no matter what, no! , cause i wanna learn new people. Roit lost their identiy; or just for me i lost my connection for my so long game.

Im begining to think those fake life simulators would be a better fit for you since you care so much about talking in a game about kiling minions and punching turrets.

  1. Fun: I have not read a funny sentence in game nore even pre or past the game for a year. Years ago, there was a lots of fun a,lone just in the so long champion selection. Everyone wrote down their being and what they do, and wrote about series they watch. Now nothing.

Are those things relevant to the game? No

Is facebook/twitter/reddit/discord a thing? Yes

but you can freely talk before and after the game.

You can already do that

Ban those who say muddy words and send them the whole chat log of each player and mark the punished player words. Additonaly this player can only watch the words and only copy his own words and cant use them openly, thus there are no offended terms of privacy.

If riot makes a list about what words you can't use, it sends the message that if you use a different variation of a word, you won't get punished. Example:

"%%%%%%" and the tweeked-to-avoid-censorship-word "f4 gg ot"

And they're already doing this. Imagine if there was a list...

But he should be able by asking the support to go on the whole chat log of each player and with this he can justifiy his actions. Everyone should have this right. Dispite this, dont just go for writing words but look also for their in game arguments. If they rely on facts , even though they wrote sth. like "og" or "w*f" dont punish it. One just try to respond quickly, while in the game.

There is no justification for being toxic. I talk in chat all the time and im still not banned. It's not even difficult. You just need to not be a dick!

Of course i have many more ideas towards this topic, "but too much is no good" :D

If they are like the above ones, please keep them to yourself

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

dragfin127/20/2018, 3:22:05 PM2 votes

{quoted}

HI there, Its quite some time i have invested in LoL. Mostly and especially the last years were in my eyes a waste of time. The reason for it is simple: the chat system: Over the years i enjoyed the game, suddenly my attiude is not appropriate at all. 2 account got banned in this year, furthermore several chat restrictions happened; only cause I asked a player to stop feeding and concentrate on the game again. If i follow the guide of Roit:

  1. I should mute him and focus on my game. I cant. I am a verbal active and proud fellow veteran player, who thinks he knows what the right thing to do is. I try to behave proper and constructive, but as one who plays this game for such a long time, i just keep using some key words like "om_", "w_f" "reported" "fe_ding". Those "trigger" words are easy and fast to write and make the purpose by translating my meaning properly, cause everyone understands them. Even the verbal unprofund ones^^.But Roit prefs "Hey m8 lets work something out and we both concentrate on our game so we can win." First of all it sounds well, but think about it in game. Until i finished writing this i died already 1 time or lost one minion wave. So first of all: These trigger words are easy to write and everybody understand its meaning. Additonally how can I be silent if you filled in with rage, when there is somebody enjoying to be destrucitve by ruining the game? I cant... I am already proud of myself to nearly be always capable of going the construcitve way, moreover we all know how the easiest would be. Even if he insults me and keeps feeding, the disrespect, the time and so many more factors are getting onto my nerfes, by trying to be calm. But shall i just play like a machine and mute him and after this game i report him and i feel good? I dont even know mostly if someone got punished. The answer is no! i dont feel good, cause i know if i warn him to play good or i report him, he might play for real again. Over the 8 years i play this game i know one thing now for sure, that a warning to be reported and asking for help from the enemy team, often results into a blessing. Of course if my way is only constructive and i can rely on facts that way is the proper one. 2.Stating facts: By relying on arguments sticked togehter with the trigger words results in chat restraction. I just use them generally without meaning anything like: "omg, just look at your dmg, why you blame me??" this sentence resulted in punishment. i just defend myself emotionaly but based on given facts! Should i let him flame all game, moreover i know he is unright. Again my veteren self tells me no! I try to adjust my anger towards him and tell him my opinion relied on facts and arguments. Still its not proper for Roit....
  2. Interaction, causal Meaning: Roit forgets always in my eyes there are always 2 people who flame, but if i get punished i only see my chat log: its out of the blue. If i consider my words alone, some would seem to me emotional, even some could be felt as blaming, but reflecting on what happend, like some troll went my lane and i went his, with wrong champ and i feed, the team gets angry on me, i should have the right to defend myself... With there style to send me my offensive words, they ingore the most important thing about communication: its meaning and causal interaction betweeen 2 people. If there is a chat one should use it: If the other player blames and flames at you should have the right to at least see that both of you get punished and i see the words of the others: cause: nowadays everthing gets more complexed and everything is influenced and involved by something else. Its just past the time to pick one out of 2 interdepended and causal interlations! -> (the one cant live without the other one, otherwise like a blank space)
  3. Buying players to behave: Now so many events come across. But instead of fixing knowingly problems, they keep on trying to make their players behave. Thats not even a bad idea, but their way they try to blind their players to oversee the opening gaps are just hurting my eyes. I have to follow their new way of appraoching, if dont i dont get any rewards. i feel like a little child in a idealstic world, but as soon as i speak or think i get punished. If i follow their guideline i get rewarded; i even feel like a pet. I feel like my rights as a player and as an individual player who can difference between right und false are getting denied. Furthermore i really enjoy talking and communicate with other players who have different opinions on the game. LIke this i can live out a bigger horizont then before and be able to learn some new cultures from other contries. Sometimes its emotional and and the edge of an eye, but this is an epsport game right?- As long as we can be construcitve and know the commonly rules of a conversation, there is 0 reason to be influenced by the mechanics rules of Roit.
  4. emotions-esport: -if you punish feelings and emotions you lose your right as an esport game. No talking in game and no outliving of emotions is a dead game! Everthing is down mirrored otherwise punished immediately.
  5. Fun: I have not read a funny sentence in game nore even pre or past the game for a year. Years ago, there was a lots of fun a,lone just in the so long champion selection. Everyone wrote down their being and what they do, and wrote about series they watch. Now nothing. I mean i can understand that some hate this kinda stuff, but for this i would recommend a mute button. There is nor fun, cause i guess every one is scared to be punished by trivial talks. now everyone spams their emotes and expresses some random state of their being. It does not say a thing. I does not give me a feeling of communication, thats the main reason why I even sticked to the game: not because i want to win no matter what, no! , cause i wanna learn new people. Roit lost their identiy; or just for me i lost my connection for my so long game.
  6. conlcusion My idea is to rework the chat as whole new thing: no chating possible if you wanna go this uncompromising path where each player can open up a chat menu and can only click on the existing selections that are given, but you can freely talk before and after the game. LIke this there cant anyone missbehave like you dont want to and afterwards you can ban players for their unright action in game. If you decide to go the emotional athletical way i would just be more open up with communication in general. Ban those who say muddy words and send them the whole chat log of each player and mark the punished player words. Additonaly this player can only watch the words and only copy his own words and cant use them openly, thus there are no offended terms of privacy. But he should be able by asking the support to go on the whole chat log of each player and with this he can justifiy his actions. Everyone should have this right. Dispite this, dont just go for writing words but look also for their in game arguments. If they rely on facts , even though they wrote sth. like "o_g" or "w_f" dont punish it. One just try to respond quickly, while in the game.

Of course i have many more ideas towards this topic, "but too much is no good" :D tell me what you think about it, but i think we all know that this system needs a change, instead of a new emote thingy....

Nobody is going to read this wall of text. Maybe invest some time in paragraph and sentence formatting.

IRight ArmI7/21/2018, 5:51:36 AM2 votes

I agree I've been clean for a couple months now and out of nowhere getting bandwagoned on gets me penalized.

Kei1437/20/2018, 4:32:01 PM1 votes

What's with the EU players and keeping everything single spaced?

ModThe Djinn7/20/2018, 3:55:21 PM1 votes

{quoted}1. I should mute him and focus on my game. I cant. I am a verbal active and proud fellow veteran player, who thinks he knows what the right thing to do is. I try to behave proper and constructive, but as one who plays this game for such a long time, i just keep using some key words like "om_", "w_f" "reported" "fe_ding". Those "trigger" words are easy and fast to write and make the purpose by translating my meaning properly, cause everyone understands them.

Those words serve to express disbelief, anger, frustration, and threats (of reporting) / insults (feeding) to other players.

I would recommend instead developing a shorthand based on being a positive role model, rather than one who feels the need to express disbelief or outrage at your team's decisions. "OMG Jax feeding" and that sort of thing only brings down the tone of the game and corrodes team morale.

Additonally how can I be silent if you filled in with rage, when there is somebody enjoying to be destrucitve by ruining the game?

By not typing, and by realizing that getting angry at them serves only to give them what they want. Statistics have shown that trolls troll HARDER when they see they have provoked a reaction.

"omg, just look at your dmg, why you blame me??" this sentence resulted in punishment. i just defend myself emotionaly but based on given facts!

There's an inherent shift of blame to the player in question in this line, while you lose nothing by saying either "I'm oing my best" or "I think I played that right" or "Sorry" or "I'm muting you" or even just saying "Yeah, I could have done better there," whether it's true or not. All of these statements are shorter than what you typed, better at diffusing the situation, and do not veer into criticizing your teammate.

  1. Interaction: Riot forgets always in my eyes there are always 2 people who flame, but if i get punished i only see my chat log: its out of the blue.

Context is not included because context does not excuse toxicity. You don't get a free pass to behave badly just because someone else started it.

  1. Buying players to behave: Now so many events come across. But instead of fixing knowingly problems, they keep on trying to make their players behave.

They do consistently work on improving the system. The rewards are there because some players respond well to rewards, and others respond better to the threat of punishment. You can offer value to well-behaved players while also improving things on the back end -- the two are not mutually exclusive.

  1. emotions-esport: -if you punish feelings and emotions you lose your right as an esport game.

Feelings and emotions aren't punished. Expressing them in a toxic fashion is. Many sports have suspensions and even bans that can come about as a result of player behavior, so this argument doesn't hold water.

  1. Fun: I have not read a funny sentence in game nore even pre or past the game for a year.

This is anecdotal. I've seen a joke of joking, chatting, and general good-natured fooling around over the past few years, personally.

Xidphel7/20/2018, 4:41:33 PM1 votes

https://media1.tenor.com/images/34a4ac6202248ac03d8265c73955e57c/tenor.gif

You know you can type out omg, wtf and feeding, right? Just typing them isn't gonna get you in trouble, especially on the boards.

Valkyirus7/25/2018, 11:21:22 AM

I agree this chat system is 8 years old and with their new impressions over penalities they should do sth new and adjust their mistakes. Additionally with the gifts, its sth i did not even recognized, thx for that: they give us gifts for playing and then one gets chat restricted cause i used a word like " o-m-g". really hard to take , thx 4 dat again for being honest. maybe next time write less XD