Rules Against Language And Why They Should Not Exist

NickMasters·Dec 22, 2015·2 votes·2,529 views

Now I know it is the right of Riot to make these rules but I question their validity. In every game I play online there's always some rule about not cursing or saying hateful things to other players. Why is that though? Is it hindering your ability to play the game? Nope, you can mute them. So truly it's about Riot trying to keep a player base that is so easily offended by something another player says to them before they can mute them. I can't think of a single time that someone has trash talked me or flamed me and I said to myself, "Wow, that makes me not want to play more League of Legends". Because this isn't a chatting game, it's League of Legends. So I might have an unpopular opinion, but I think we live in a world that is filled with easily offended thin skinned little babies that let what others say on the internet bother them.

TLDR; Stop being a little bitch and grow up. People's words on the internet can't hurt you.

38 Comments

EndlessSorcererDec 22, 201512 votes

Muting exists to spare yourself from toxicity.

Reporting exists to spare other players.

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

Literally the only person that hasn't attacked me and assumed I'm some evil cyber bully. Cheers, rationally thinking person!

EvilDustManDec 22, 20157 votes

I'm not offended by the words 4chan spews out. I'm offended that people so lowbrowed continue to live despite having the combined vocabulary of pond slime.

You prove a magnificent point. You finish your well put statement with 'don't be a little bitch.' Had you left that out, we might be able to have a reasonable conversation. Except, instead, you already make everyone view you as insulting, and someone who can't fully control their language. As you can see, language is a powerful tool.

No, I don't go to 4chan. I enjoy stay away from intellectual black holes. I remove myself from most social media, because I fall into the middle ground.

What a lot of people forgot about that safe space episode of South Park, Reality acts like a dick and expects to get away with it. The answer is in the middle. Not everyone is going to be positive, but maybe you shouldn't be a dick. 'Don't be a little bitch?' That's you being kind of a dick.

SarutobiDec 22, 20156 votes

Just because there are options to hinder the words, doesnt mean it should be acceptable to say. I dont like hearing racial slurs, or swearing in general. its a childish thing to do and in my opinion shows a lack of vocabulary if the only words you can type/say are curse word. it has nothing to do with being thin skinned, or being offended. its just an annoyance and irritating which can hinder me from enjoying a game.

NickMastersDec 22, 20152 votes

Then mute me. If I can call you something racist in real life why can't I do it online. Cause I know you can't be implying that the internet is supposed to be more polite than real life.

Chaos689Dec 22, 20158 votes

a: you souldn be calling peopel racist things...and B the OP is just a toxci man who got banned. The below argument is far more relevant and has more meanign than ¨I WANT TO BE RACIST¨

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

I have never been banned, or punished in any way, as I am not toxic.

Ice Weasel XDec 22, 20158 votes

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Then mute me. If I can call you something racist in real life why can't I do it online. Cause I know you can't be implying that the internet is supposed to be more polite than real life.

Riot owns the environment in which you play League of Legends. Their house, their rules. If you go up to a business in real life and call their employees racial slurs, they have every right to eject you from the premises, even if you are a paying customer.

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

Did you not read the first sentence? Please actually read before you just comment.

Ice Weasel XDec 22, 20157 votes

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Did you not read the first sentence? Please actually read before you just comment.

Did you not read your own 2nd sentence? There is a reason that you see these rules in "every game [you] play online." People don't want that sort of stress, and companies don't want unhappy customers.

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

Thank you for the first real reply on here, I simply just wanted to discuss why these kinds of rules exist.

LukeTheSheppyDec 22, 201510 votes

The Nazi salute is punishable under law in Germany, but it is legal in the United States. If you were to go to Germany and perform the Nazi salute, you would be arrested. If you were to say "but it's legal in the United States" they'd say "Too bad, the Nazi salute is illegal here."

Berating your teammates is punishable and reportable in League of Legends, but it is only frowned upon outside of the game. If you were to go tin game and berate your teammates, you would be punished. If you were to say "but it's okay outside of League," Riot would say "Too bad, the berating your teammates is punishable and reportable here."

Moral of the story: Just because something is okay in one place doesn't mean it's okay elsewhere. By stepping on someone else's domain, you subjugate yourself to any and all rules set forth by the owner.

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

Again, read my first statement. I'm asking in general, not specifically to League, why society feels that they MUST be treated nicely on the internet?

Samus72Dec 22, 20155 votes

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Again, read my first statement. I'm asking in general, not specifically to League, why society feels that they MUST be treated nicely on the internet?

Why must people be treated kindly and with respect in person? Because that is the preferred way.

If you can ask the question, you can answer it as well. You're not doing yourself any favors by continuing in this manner.

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20153 votes

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Again, read my first statement. I'm asking in general, not specifically to League, why society feels that they MUST be treated nicely on the internet?

I donno that many feel that they must be treated nicely, they simply have no interest in going to places where they aren't treated that way. Since riot wants people to be here, they(at least try to) accommodate that.

Its really narrow minded to look at people who support this as soft or w/e you want to call it. In my experience it is not that most people can't handle the things people say, they simply have no interest in putting up with it.

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

To give you some background, I spend most of my time on the internet on 4chan. It's a place where you can't say, "That offended me please stop". So I guess I do have a harsher judgement on this subject than most people.

SmokedAlmondsDec 22, 20154 votes

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To give you some background, I spend most of my time on the internet on 4chan. It's a place where you can't say, "That offended me please stop". So I guess I do have a harsher judgement on this subject than most people.

Thats fine, people like different stuff. By all means go to 4chan and say w/e you want then. The problem comes in when people bring that into a community that both doesn't want that and expressly disallows it.

I wouldn't want everywhere to be as strict as league, but people need to respect the rules of places they go.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 22, 20156 votes

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Again, read my first statement. I'm asking in general, not specifically to League, why society feels that they MUST be treated nicely on the internet?

Asked and answered, how about you read?

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

You answered with an abundant amount of assumptions based on information that is nowhere present in my post. Try again.

Samus72Dec 22, 20156 votes

Nice try. But even George Carlin knew the effect of the seven deadly words and how to use them properly.

By themselves, profanity is just words. But their usage is what makes them have negative value. And no one acting like a jerk is trying to educate or entertain. They're being rude, demeaning, and insulting.

Society has decided that profanity is not acceptable speech. It rarely puts the speaker in a good light. You try to put profanity in to a more neutral frame of mind and then insult people with your final line of text which includes profanity. Your intention was always to do just that: be insulting. You don't lend any credence to allowing people to say whatever they want however they want.

You are the reason we have language filters and rules against such words. 1 / 10. And only one point because you kept it short. /rolleyes

BeatzBoyFTWDec 22, 20154 votes

Try saying "fuck you, go die in a hole" to your mother. If she gets mad, just tell her she shouldn't be mad since it's just words. If face to face doesn't work, just text her those words through Facebook Messenger or Whatsapp, similar to how you trash-talk others through LoL, by Internet.

You can't deny it. This is simply the description of your logic.

Sinister AnubisDec 22, 20154 votes

League is not just a game some view it as a career choice. If you started to curse and act up at your job do you think you'll have that job. If you started to curse at someone in public that you dont know do you think nothing will happen? If you started to name call and berate someone you dont know do you not think they will react in some manner? Try to have some self control and some dignity.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 22, 20153 votes

Permitting jerks on the Rift loses Riot money, and since Riot is in the business of making money, toxic baby ragers and potty mouthed children will be sent packing permanently. It's that simple.

Well adjusted people login to play League of Legends for fun - take a moment to try and remember what that is.

Every jerk that infects a match with toxicity/verbal abuse/hate speech creates a negative experience for the 9 other players in the game. Regardless if all 9 mute that person immediately it's simply a killjoy, especially when normal people simply looking to have fun have to endure these little fucks seemingly every other game of their lives on the Rift. These 9 players aren't going to want to continuing playing League, and they're definitely not going to promote the game to friends and family, which results in business lost for Riot.

In case that doesn't resonate, business lost is not acceptable for a company looking to grow, and if they feel it's preventable in any way, shape or form they'll likely take action to put an end to it.

Long story short: toxic baby ragers and potty mouthed children are not wanted by the community and by Riot. Get used to it.

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I can say whatever the hell I want to whoever I want in real life, and I want to know why that suddenly changes online.

This is a question obviously asked by someone who has never had the balls to say anything remotely offensive to anyone their entire lives. That being said, I'm here to help you and answer your question.

In real life you can say whatever you want to people, that is true. However, you'll likely face consequences for such language both immediate (ie - your face will be broken and your body left bruised and bleeding) or down the road (ie - you make a death threat to someone > they report you > you have to deal with local law Enforcement and possibly a local Judge).

Why that suddenly changes online here is the luxury of anonymity and no consequence. You talk all the shit, spew all hate speech to people who aren't 2 feet in front of you while you're comfortably hiding behind a computer screen safe in your home that your parent(s) are footing the bills for.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

I'm not quite sure anyone here has the right idea about me. I don't go up to people in public and call them nasty names, and I don't do it on League of Legends either. You guys all have assumed that I'm some 12 year old trash talking flamer, but really I'm just debating that I don't like having stuff like chat restricted. In real life I can say whatever I want to someone, and if they react violently they are the ones who get punished. Your comparison to real life isn't relevant here. If I call you an idiot and say you suck at your job, do I get my mouth sewn shut? If I call you a racial slur multiple times despite being asked not to, does my life get ended(perma-banned)? All of you are riding on such high horses, spewing shit about morality and how bad I am. Before you crucify me for thinking outside of the social box here, take a minute and think about how sheltered we are as a society, across the entire world even.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 22, 20154 votes

You post a direct contradiction.

This:

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I don't go up to people in public and call them nasty names

Contradicts this:

{quoted} I can say whatever I want to someone, and if they react violently they are the ones who get punished.

You admit you never say anything negative to anyone, so there's no way for you to truly know how anyone would react. Period.

If you say whatever you want to someone - you get punished whether it be physically when they kick your ass or legally if you make a death threat, etc.

You're not thinking outside the social box because it's clear by your responses you've barely experienced it to begin with proven by the statement below:

"To give you some background, I spend most of my time on the internet on 4chan."

NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

If they kick my ass, they're the ones that are going to get in trouble, end of story. So please stop using that example and that goes to all of you. And I said I don't go around calling people racial slurs or telling random people they look ugly and should die. I do however talk shit to people I don't like and I deal with the consequences. Assuming I don't have experience in social settings is again, another assumption. Instead of attacking me(wow it's almost like you're doing what you're berating me for, except in a social justice warrior way) why don't you respond solely to the subject at hand?

Also: nice edit, bet you can't go on there cause you get too offended anyway.

PIMPSMOOTHDec 22, 20153 votes

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If they kick my ass, they're the ones that are going to get in trouble, end of story.

Not end of story, because you're clueless.

If you provoke someone with hate speech and they beat your ass - you both get in trouble. Period.

You've never talked shit and meant it to anyone in real life, it's obvious from your own admissions here so take that act to your 4chan anon boards.

OhBoyItsaMegamanDec 22, 20153 votes

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Your comparison to real life isn't relevant here. If I call you an idiot and say you suck at your job, do I get my mouth sewn shut? If I call you a racial slur multiple times despite being asked not to, does my life get ended(perma-banned)?

The real life comparison is totally relevant. If you are at work, and you call your customers idiots and say that they suck, you will lose your job. If you are a college student and you go around using racial slurs in the classrooms to insult your teachers and classmates, you will be expelled.

League of Legends is no different. If you use offensive language, no one shows up at your house to sew your mouth shut or kill you. You just get told "You can't come in here anymore" exactly like your work or your school would.

Chaos689Dec 22, 20151 votes

MY VERSION: A more releant spin-off of a toxic manś post!

Agree that the rules are dumb. For me, I get reagey soetimes. Thks is usually because of : a: trolls, feeders, afks, or soemone doing things to disadvantage me (BBBARRRRRDDD) b: and why is this a report option? PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE CRAP! also idiots insulting me. But I either report themn and have nothign happen, or forget to take the time.

My overall question is: WHY TF are you (riot) punishing the victims of these people, and others? We are only human, unlike some of the more annoying instalockers. We can just sit there and take this crap in our placements or promos or even a normal game and jsut be like ¨Ooh, I learned another racial slur today mommy!¨ without getting pissed. So: why do people who get justifiably mad get chatbanned or even timebanned? Most of the time, the case is that the player isn toxic, jsut got pissed at trolls. Also, chatbans? WORST IDEA EVER! If you say in your tip ¨15% or w/e of toxic players lose¨ ITŚ BECAUSE THEY CAN COMMUNICATE! HOW CAN YOU WIN WHEN YOU CANT TELL YOUR TEAM HOW TO GANK? ie been cahtbanned sometimes, and i know how hard it is to use pings to try and point out a path. ITS IMPOSSIBLE! There should be a better way of punishing toxic players, and it shoudl be directed at teh TOXIC players, not the ones who can take any more of the un-punished BS that goes on. Zilean

NickMastersDec 22, 20152 votes

I'm not sure you read my post, which isn't surprising considering how hard it was to read yours. I'm not toxic, nor is there such a thing as toxic. I can say whatever the hell I want to whoever I want in real life, and I want to know why that suddenly changes online.

Ice Weasel XDec 22, 20158 votes

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I'm not sure you read my post, which isn't surprising considering how hard it was to read yours. I'm not toxic, nor is there such a thing as toxic. I can say whatever the hell I want to whoever I want in real life, and I want to know why that suddenly changes online.

Sure, you can say whatever the hell you want, but there are consequences in the real world as well as in Riot's virtual world. You can do pretty much anything you want in the real world, but if you break rules to do it and you get caught, you're going to be penalized in some way.

It's illegal to steal. Can you do it? Yes. Can you get away with it? Sometimes. If you get caught, you could get beaten, arrested, jailed, and/or killed (not necessarily in that order or mutually exclusively).

It's illegal to kill. Can you do it? Yes. Can you get away with it? Sometimes. If you get caught, you could get beaten, arrested, jailed, and/or killed (not necessarily in that order or mutually exclusively).

In most places, it's not illegal to simply call someone an offensive name in public. Can you do it? Yes. Can you get away with it? Sometimes. If you do it to the wrong person, you could get beaten, arrested, jailed, and/or killed (not necessarily in that order or mutually exclusively).

...but wait! Didn't I just say it's not illegal to simply call someone an offensive name? Why would arrest and jail be a possible consequence? Real answer: disturbing the peace. Escalation of disturbance to altercation.

Consequences.

SwerzzDec 22, 20152 votes

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I can say whatever the hell I want to whoever I want in real life.

So how has that worked out for you, I bet you're not very popular.

I don't know where you are from, nor do i care. But everywhere i've been, it is not acceptable to use racial slurs, it is not acceptable to just start yelling at people. I don't care if it's on the internet, or in person, It is socially unacceptable to do that kind of stuff. Like it or not, you have to learn to respect those rules. You can speak like that if you want, i'm not the judge of you, but that doesn't make them right because you think that you should be able to talk like that. The only difference between the internet and in real life is, i can't hit you though a computer screen.

Also, this is Riots game. You don't like the rules, then don't play the game.

MohawkBirdDec 22, 20151 votes

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NickMastersDec 22, 20151 votes

Thank you for clarifying my ever so hard to understand post. Insert sarcasm here.

darkmatchwaldoDec 22, 20151 votes

That way they can promote it to kids who dump hundreds of dollars onto their parents credit cards item 3070

OhBoyItsaMegamanDec 22, 20151 votes

It is very difficult to get in trouble in LoL. Your behavior has to be substantially different than the average player before you even get a chat restriction.

So with that in mind, what you're really saying is that even if people actively ask Riot to remove you from the community (this is what "reports" are), they should ignore those requests even if a disproportionately large amount of people have a problem with the way you treat other players.