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I was banned, Lyte please help

PhosBringer··12 votes·3,161 views

Greetings, PhosBringer here I'm just gonna get straight to the point and try to provide as much insight as I can to the problem so I can finally Rest In Peace if I was legitimately banned or try and win back my freedom if this is considered a mistake.

As a point of reference prior to this I had a 10-Game chat restriction (First Offense) I looked for the notification of it in my email to give the exact date but it is deleted/never received.

I will leave links to screenshots I have taken if necessary for validation purposes

I was banned February 1st, 2016. I discovered this as I logged on. The ban said it was indefinite so I assumed I must have been extremely toxic to warrant this, but I don't recall ever being so toxic as to make me eligible for permanent suspension of my account. I am aware that this is what everyone says but hear me out. I logged into my email and I received a message stating I was banned until the 22nd (3 week ban) with the code 2828 (Which I now know to be the code for negative behavior) and links to the Terms of Use and the Player Support. However I received no reform card (It's gives you a chat log of a game in which your were reported for toxicity) and that's where I started to question the validity of the ban.

I immediately decided to submit a ticket so I could get to the bottom of what I was concerned was an illegitimate ban. So I submitted a ticket and provided information as it came to me, trying to remember the game that could have possibly escalated me from a Tier 1 offensive to a Tier 4.

I received an update on February 3rd from a Rioter named Energia, that stated the response to my ticket may take longer to acquire an answer to because I bumped my ticket (I didn't know I could bump the ticket, I was just trying to provide more information that I missed in original ticket), so I had hope that at least a rioter would take a look at my case instead of being discarded.

My next and final response was from a Rioter named Moonsugar. The message she left was as follows;

Hey Summoner,

Moonsugar here - I do apologize for any confusion. The account initially received restrictions due to some consistent negative chat in the game. However, a manual review of the account revealed more egregious behaviors such as intentionally feeding, trolling, and griefing other players. Below is an excerpt from one of your recent games as Annie, where it's apparent your actions are to antagonize your team. This is the same kind of behavior displayed in multiple other games, where you immediately get into the game and declare that mid is open to the opponents. What follows is generally feeding, insults, or other antagonistic behaviors towards your team. This has no purpose other than to ruin games for other people and it won't be tolerated in League of Legends.

Initially this statement looks damning right? However this is the evidence of one of my more recent games as Annie in which I exhibited the above behaviors stated. I will also leave comments to clarify anything as well as preventing it from being taken out of context.

**1. [0:18] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): mid is open

  1. [0:32] PhosBringer (Annie): all come mid

  2. [0:33] PhosBringer (Annie): and gank

  3. [0:43] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): free kill for me

  4. [1:05] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): yeh dude push mid

  5. [1:16] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): farmers

  6. [1:35] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): just kidding get rused

  7. [4:23] PhosBringer (Annie): ALISTAR

  8. [4:27] PhosBringer (Annie): I got trolled gg

  9. [7:02] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): stop trolling me man

  10. [10:54] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): nice troll

  11. [12:58] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): Kappa

  12. [14:33] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): good play

  13. [18:38] [All] PhosBringer (Annie): ez **

  14. With these set of messages, I intended not to open mid and let the enemy push down, but to try and set up a bait in which all 5 of the enemies would overextend mid to kill me while my team came to kill them after they wasted abilities and were scattered. This is evidenced clearly when I proceed to tell the enemy that mid is open, when they come I try and rally my team to come mid and kill them. I tell them that I am a freebie and to push mid because we're IP farming (The event was over when this happened) the span is over the course of a minute because the enemy was half convinced I was opening mid so I was trying to bait them into overextending. When I say just kidding get rused (Ruse an action intended to deceive someone; a trick.) I intended to tell them it was all a trick. Just kidding get tricked. I suppose that last statement could be considered toxic, but I never ever intended for the enemy get a free win and push mid as I told my team to come and gank, and it certainly didn't look so if you read the chat logs carefully.

  15. I said this after I was about to die to the opposing shyvana while alistar roamed into my lane. He let me die (Unless he had slow reactions) and then killed shyvana. I typed alistar in all caps because it was a pretty giddy moment, the tingly kind where you can almost make it out of a situation you should be dead in and you almost make it out and then at the last second something surprises you and all that's said is a shout and laughter. I also say "I got trolled gg" because it really seemed like Alistar let me die, this is also a phrase I use an awful lot when I ever do decide to use chat. You can compare it to someone saying "Hello? Team?" after he/she dies overextended or in a hype-y play. It's not something to be considered negatively.

  16. As I mentioned previously I say variations of troll a lot (I'm trundle IRL) and this is one of a couple other examples, I believe this one was when I was in the mid-lane trying to position myself to all-in Riven and kill her but Shyvana stopped me by coming mid 2-3 different times from different ways. Again not something to be considered negative at all.

  17. Another example of me telling the enemy team that I've noticed their trolling, and it was a "nice" one. (See bullets 2 and 3)

  18. Gray Face no space. For those of you not familiar with twitch this is an icon. Kappa is generally used to indicate "Joking, trolling, sarcasm, etc." it's used so often that people don't even confine it to twitch anymore. (My being one of those people) Nothing inherently negative about this statement, but perhaps a little more mischievous than saying "trolled". As to whether this was from a play I made or the enemy made I don't particularly remember. Although I did have 8 deaths (And 10 kills too, for those of you who want to take that information out of context and say I intentionally fed) that game so it is possible that I was referring to something dumb I did.

  19. Also similar to me dropping a Kappa or a Trolled. (See above)

  20. I know Lyte's standpoint on this statement and any and all of it's multifaceted variations, and it is the only undeniably negative thing I said to the enemy. However even in the wrong here, I just can't help but to clarify why I said this and provide defense for myself and while simultaneously providing a point against myself. I said this while we were losing, so don't think I was trying to tell the enemy that they were just cannon fodder for me, because they were good. I typed this because Akali killed one of my team members in two or three hits, and then said "ez" in all chat. It was her first kill of the game mind you, so I was like "Hey you can't talk to my teammate like that!" So while she's pushing the bot turret I use Annie combo and kill her, to which I responded "ez". But I digress, this is no way to act in the situation because you don't right a wrong by committing another wrong .

And that's that.

So I reply back to Riot Moonsugar confused as to how this was evidence of me antagonizing my team. And how this was just one of my many "toxic" games that warranted my account to be discontinued. I have yet to receive a response.

I do notice one thing though, a thing that I might have overlooked if I weren't so panicked as to why my account was banned. Moonsugar said; "This is the same kind of behavior displayed in multiple other games, where you immediately get into the game and declare that mid is open to the opponents."

I immediately thought back to party-up weekend (both times). Where I joined a group called FeedingLFG and during most of the first Party-Up dynamic queue event a 5 man pre-made group myself included where we'd let the enemy push down mid and end after 7minutes to get quick IP. I also partook in the same activity during the second iteration of party-up but for about 1/3 of the duration of the boost. (This was always from the FeedingLFG, and always with a 5 man pre-made group).

So I panicked. I was assured that I wouldn't get banned for this if it was something that the enemy didn't care about and your team all agreed to it. (Which was yes to both scenarios). Now you may be thinking what if the enemy DID care? My response is, I did some extensive studying, to the best of my abilities. What I found is this; With the new reporting system, if you were to get reported for intentional feeding and the system detected you did this you would be banned within 5-15 minutes within the game ending and the report being filed. However I was never banned, and I certainly feed the enemy intentionally with the intent of them ending after 7 minutes. (I'm talking about 7+ deaths where I just go mid and die). So I assumed that I was in the clear after the event ended and my account was still safe and sound.

You also may be wondering "So what he did some research and found out if he didn't get reported he'd be all good, but who is he to think that Riot would allow people to feed as 5 man pre-made's and farm LP" To that question I'd answer, Riot Lyte. It was his statements that I found on ask.fm concerning IP farming that was enough to convince me that as long as the enemy had no qualms and my team was down it was A ok.

These two posts where the one's that I have referenced.

Q: Does riot ban these players who group up as 5, take teleport and smite, give double pentakill to mid lvl 1 and then afk in jungle while enemy team wins in 7 min? ( people do it because of the bonus ip weekend) _A: We'll be taking a look at all intentional feeding situations and handing out permanent bans if they are ruining gameplay experiences for players who do NOT want to be involved in this. _

Q: About the farming IP situation, are you talking about when the ENEMY does not want to be involved in the easy win, or are you talking about when someone on YOUR team doesn't want to feed? A: We're looking into the experiences, and if SOMEONE on your team or the enemy team is against these behaviors and hasn't agreed to it, that's the problem experience.

In conjunction with these two statements from Riot Lyte I have these statements from the Riot Support Center.

** CAN I VIEW MY PREVIOUS SUSPENSION REFORM CARDS?** Whenever a player is punished by the instant feedback system, they will also be emailed a copy of their reform card as well.

** HOW DO PUNISHMENTS WORK?** Players who are found to be causing a negative game experience are then punished within 15 minutes of the games end.

Bearing these statements in mind, you can successful establish that I was not reported by any other player for intentionally feeding during a farming game, but rather as the Rioter was handling my case that popped up, they reviewed my chat logs, saw that I declared open mid to the enemies (Usually a FeedingLFG group has an unofficial spokesman who does the talking to make sure the whole thing goes smoothly and that no one is irritated because in those scenarios the only losers are the IP farmers) and made haste to ban me with all the overwhelming evidence of me declaring open mid.

I know I may have forgotten many things though, and have not clarified enough on certain statements, but I will happily clarify as needed.

@RiotLyte if you see some toxicity in my chat logs that would warrant a jump from a T1 punishment to a T4 then by all means summoner 11 smite the hell out of me.

Sincerely, Phosbringer a concerned player

50 Comments

Straw Hat Loki6 votes

10/10 for effort.

I am curious to see how this one plays out; I do know that unless they are absolutely 100% sure, they do not slap harshest of the bans.

Oh and you seem to not be as winded as the usual posts on the same topic are; nice keeping yourself calm and collected. It makes you appear civil and not as the usual infuriatingly toxic player who believes Riot is out to get his/her money.

Good luck to you!

PhosBringer4 votes

Thanks!

ModWuks6 votes

I immediately thought back to party-up weekend (both times). Where I joined a group called FeedingLFG and during most of the first Party-Up dynamic queue event a 5 man pre-made group myself included where we'd let the enemy push down mid and end after 7minutes to get quick IP. I also partook in the same activity during the second iteration of party-up but for about 1/3 of the duration of the boost. (This was always from the FeedingLFG, and always with a 5 man pre-made group).

Yeah, your 5 man premade may have accepted an open-mid scenario, but you have to remember that it's a 10-player game. I don't join games to push down mid in 6 minutes; I join games to play (and hopefully win of my own accord). Intentionally feeding and afking (especially over the course of multiple games) is against the Summoner's Code and Terms of Use, and it seems like this is an open-and-shut, justified permanent suspension.

Hope that helps!

Dominick Destine3 votes

Mini summoner 11 'd

PhosBringer5 votes

I do agree with your statement, I think I did answer this above though

Now you may be thinking what if the enemy DID care? My response is, I did some extensive studying, to the best of my abilities. What I found is this; With the new reporting system, if you were to get reported for intentional feeding and the system detected you did this you would be banned within 5-15 minutes within the game ending and the report being filed. However I was never banned, and I certainly feed the enemy intentionally with the intent of them ending after 7 minutes. (I'm talking about 7+ deaths where I just go mid and die). So I assumed that I was in the clear after the event ended and my account was still safe and sound.

And thank you for your response!

ModWuks4 votes

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I do agree with your statement, I think I did answer this above though

I believe that your case was a fringe case. In cases where the system is being fine-tuned, a manual review is also performed in conjunction with the automatic detection to ensure that only justified suspensions are being applied.

However, a manual review of the account revealed more egregious behaviors such as intentionally feeding, trolling, and griefing other players.

A Rioter manually reviewed your account and found that you had intentionally fed. Just because the system didn't apply the suspension automatically doesn't mean that you're in the clear.

PhosBringer4 votes

I know that I'm not in the clear, which is exactly why I took to the forums! In hopes that a Rioter or more preferably Lyte himself could resolve this issue and give the final ruling.

disregardable4 votes

You weren't in his games, Wuks. The people in his games didn't report him enough for it to add up to a punishment. He's banned for something few people were bothered by. That doesn't make sense in a community driven punishment system.

I feel like it could go either way. But if it doesn't get reversed, Riot needs to make it more clear that intentionally feeding in a 5 man is bannable (and not a gray area).

ModWuks5 votes

{quoted}

You weren't in his games, Wuks. The people in his games didn't report him enough for it to add up to a punishment. He's banned for something few people were bothered by. That doesn't make sense in a community driven punishment system.

I feel like it could go either way. But if it doesn't get reversed, Riot needs to make it more clear that intentionally feeding in a 5 man is bannable (and not a gray area).

Summoner's Code, Pillar 4:

#Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense

"Short is the joy that guilty pleasure brings." -Euripides

Making games is our business, so it should come as no surprise that we want you to have a lot of fun. We want you to get excited, to have tension-filled moments, and to celebrate your success. This doesn't mean that we're okay with you ruining anybody else's day.

disregardable5 votes

I think not getting reported implies that he didn't ruin anyone's day, doesn't it?

PhosBringer4 votes

This is precisely what I'm trying to say.

therealdragon5 votes

so uh lyte wanna come and explain this?

IMO, he should get his account back but if he does this AGAIN, THEN he gets permabanned because honestly, he did research this to make sure he wouldn't get banned (unlike the other usual toxic asses out there that just say "UNBAN ME NO JUSTICE"). Now that he knows he'll get banned, he won't do it again.

Makior724 votes

Context for why you did something doesnt matter. It only matters that you did it.

PhosBringer4 votes

Yes and that does hold true, to a certain degree. I mentioned above that Riot Lyte said the behavior was acceptable as long as no other players were opposed to our feeding. Bearing that in mind, if they were offended and indeed reported me then as per how the new reporting system works, I'd of been banned 5-15minutes of them reporting me

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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Yes and that does hold true, to a certain degree. I mentioned above that Riot Lyte said the behavior was acceptable as long as no other players were opposed to our feeding. Bearing that in mind, if they were offended and indeed reported me then as per how the new reporting system works, I'd of been banned 5-15minutes of them reporting me

That is only the case if what you did was detected by the automated system. That isn't always the case, especially in regards to trolling. These require manual reviews which seems like what happened.

PhosBringer3 votes

Actually it is the case, hear me out on this. The Support Website states that if you are reported by anyone for intentionally feeding, and you are detected as feeding, you get banned within 5-15 minutes of the match ending. There are no if's and's or but's, it's automated so there's no reviewed and you get a reform card that comes with all automated system punishments.

Keeping that in mind I wasn't punished by a bot, but rather a Rioter decided to review my case.

The significance of this means that no other players that I've decided to feeding against as per FeedingLFG during the party-up event were bothered enough by my teams actions to report me and subsequently get me banned via automated system.

This means that the Rioter herself decided that what I said in chat was egregious as she reviewed all of my games' chat logs. However she wouldn't know that the games I opened mid and legitimately fed were with a group that agreed to it, and an opposing team that didn't mind it enough to report me/us.

Now in regards to trolling, you're right manual inspection is usually what happens, and it did. However the recent game she used as an example was a poor one if you break down the facts of the situation. Moonsugar stated she noticed lots of egregious behavior in recent games, but I explained each of the statements I made in the example she gave, and overall they can be considered minor if that in toxicity.

Moonsugar also claims that I have opened mid in the annie game with the intent to troll my team, however when you read the chat logs, while telling the enemy to come mid I also tell my team to come gank for me to try and catch the enemy team over-extended and unawares and surely that's allowed? It's comparable to the all chat "Press D to dance" type of thing.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

What you are missing is that ALL intentional feeding is not detected by the automated system. If it is not obvious or straight up not detected at all(which happens) it will be manually reviewed by riot. The fact that the punishment came later does NOT mean that you were not reported. It means that the intentional feeding was not detected by the automated system.

I'm not saying there wasn't a mistake. I am just saying that the fact that you were not punished by the automated system does not mean that you weren't reported for intentional feeding in those premade games. It just means that the automated system couldn't definitively conclude it was intentional feeding.

The way to automated system seems to choose games to show people seems to put a heavy requirement on displaying recent games. So my best guess is you were punished for the premade stuff but when support went to reference games they were looking for more recent stuff and might not have looked at those specifically. Which would make this more of a case of referencing the wrong games. But it could be that they opened your case and saw some kind of general description like "intentional feeding open mid ect" and saw that chat and didn't find it necessary to look deeper. I think the former is significantly more likely, but you never know.

I would definitely like to see where this goes though. It is an interesting case for sure.

EDIT: What makes you so certain that no one on the opposing teams had a problem with the IP farming?

PhosBringer3 votes

I do agree with parts of the comment. The main point I want to touch is that indeed not ALL intentional feeding is detected by the automated punishment system. I will try my best to explain and refute your statement.

What you are missing is that ALL intentional feeding is not detected by the automated system.

This is indeed true not all intentional feeding cases are clear-cut.

If it is not obvious or straight up not detected at all(which happens) it will be manually reviewed by riot.

This is not 100% accurate. If it is not obvious or detected, than the person gets away for free. If you read the Riot Support website (I've linked it in a comment) it does not say that nebulous cases or undetected cases will be read manually by Riot. In fact the cases are dismissed as "Bad games" which is something that was intentionally added so people wouldn't get banned for going 0-12. It doesn't get passed on to a Riot at the Support center who determines whether he or she thinks it was a "Bad game" it's automatically written off as such and dismissed.

The fact that the punishment came later does NOT mean that you were not reported.

I'm going to assume that you meant it does not mean that I was not reported for intentional feeding. However this I am going to have to disagree with this. The Riot Support page and even Riot Lyte himself made it clear many months ago, that if you are indeed reported for intentional feeding, and the system determines it to be so, you will be banned within 5-15 minutes of the game ending. The fact that this punishment came later means that I was reported for something else entirely, and while suspicion was focused towards me for whatever reason, the Rioter browsed through the logs and found that I had repeatedly declared to open mid. She even states herself that she was reviewing my account because of the prior 10 game chat restriction, and that when she pried further she found egregious behavior such as intentional feeding and trolling along with negative behavior.

It means that the intentional feeding was not detected by the automated system.

This sentence I can agree completely. The intentional feeding indeed wasn't detected by the automated system. It was in-fact detected by Moonsugar who upon reviewing my account for the previous 10-game chat restriction found out that I had chat logs declaring that mid was open, to push mid, and to come for free kills.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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I'm going to assume that you meant it does not mean that I was not reported for intentional feeding. However this I am going to have to disagree with this. The Riot Support page and even Riot Lyte himself made it clear many months ago, that if you are indeed reported for intentional feeding, and the system determines it to be so, you will be banned within 5-15 minutes of the game ending. The fact that this punishment came later means that I was reported for something else entirely, and while suspicion was focused towards me for whatever reason, the Rioter browsed through the logs and found that I had repeatedly declared to open mid. She even states herself that she was reviewing my account because of the prior 10 game chat restriction, and that when she pried further she found egregious behavior such as intentional feeding and trolling along with negative behavior.

The fact that the punishment later does NOT mean that you were reported for something else(it could mean that but it doesn't automatically mean that). It simply means that the automated system was not able to determine that it was intentional feeding. It was then later reviewed by riot and determined to be intentional feeding.

This is the order of events I'm talking about:

  1. Premade group intentional feeds for IP. You get reported.
  2. Automated system can't definitively identify it as intentional feeding so it flags it for manual review
  3. X amount of time passes before riot can get to the case
  4. Manual review determines it was infact intentional feeding and issue the ban(well after the 15 minutes, probably days)

I can't say that is what happened, just outlining how you can still be punished for intentional feeding outside of that 15minutes when the automated system hands out punishments.

I originally thought Moonsugar was talking about a previous punishment when talking about the 10 game chat restriction. So maybe there is more merit to this than I thought. Maybe it's my own distaste for the IP farming stuff, which even if not for intentional feeding I think should be punished for abusing the system.

PhosBringer3 votes

Thank you for clarifying and responding, I appreciate the feedback!

PhosBringer4 votes

These are all the links of interest https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132106741186 https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132102833858 https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ- https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/205097293-In-Client-Reform-Cards-FAQ https://gyazo.com/ad69baa9ed7219b3904a098055cd400f https://gyazo.com/e007cffbb36e9db33223188238a71c9b

Randomonium4 votes

Definitely an interesting case. If you could provide a link to the match history of that Annie game that could give some more evidence that you didn't actually intentionally feed in that game and that it was just a ruse.

PhosBringer4 votes

Well my match history shouldn't be going anywhere for a while if at all so here, http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=PhosBringer scroll down to 5 days ago and you'll see the Annie match (Loss) in which I played with as you'll know from my chat logs an Alistar.

shyv4 votes

this is stupid.. me and my friends do stupid shit, intentionally feed to make the game challenging, score touchdowns in the enemy fountain and play hide and seek in their jungle. riot are you telling me this shit is against the rules? he had a 5 man premade agree to all of it. who cares if the enemy team doesn't want an easy win? why would you complain about stomping the enemy team in 7 mins and getting bonus ip for it?

really sorry about this op. what a stupid rule.

this game used to be about having fun and doing stupid shit but now having too much fun will get you perma'd lol

SmokedAlmonds7 votes

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this is stupid.. me and my friends do stupid shit, intentionally feed to make the game challenging, score touchdowns in the enemy fountain and play hide and seek in their jungle. riot are you telling me this shit is against the rules? he had a 5 man premade agree to all of it. who cares if the enemy team doesn't want an easy win? why would you complain about stomping the enemy team in 7 mins and getting bonus ip for it?

really sorry about this op. what a stupid rule.

this game used to be about having fun and doing stupid shit but now having too much fun will get you perma'd lol

There are 10 people in a game, not 5. I don't know about you, but I don't play this game to watch my IP counter go up. All this is doing is wasting 20+ minutes of my time. I'll open up the stopwatch on my phone if I want to watch a counter go up.

This game always was and always will be about fun. But it's about fun for everyone, not just yourself. They are not banning people for having too much fun, they are banning people for interfering with other people's fun.

shyv4 votes

i have never IP farmed. op is the one that did that, not me, so i don't know what you're talking about. i own every champ that i plan on ever buying and i have 7 full rune pages.

me and my friends do feed for fun. we play as 5 premades, we go in skype, we play stupid off meta shit and do TERRIBLY. the enemy team always loves it. free win for them, ego booster, great KDA to show off with. who cares about a bunch of tryhards that want to take normals super seriously honestly fuck them lol

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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i have never IP farmed. op is the one that did that, not me, so i don't know what you're talking about. i own every champ that i plan on ever buying and i have 7 full rune pages.

me and my friends do feed for fun. we play as 5 premades, we go in skype, we play stupid off meta shit and do TERRIBLY. the enemy team always loves it. free win for them, ego booster, great KDA to show off with. who cares about a bunch of tryhards that want to take normals super seriously honestly fuck them lol

There is a difference between playing offmeta stuff and trying but doing poorly and intentional feeding/trolling.

I'm not talking about straying from a rigid meta. I am talking about:

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intentionally feed to make the game challenging, score touchdowns in the enemy fountain and play hide and seek in their jungle

shyv5 votes

even if we're not intent feeding, i don't know why the fuck we would care if the enemy team was. i swear to god, nerds take this game so fucking seriously and it's pathetic. bunch of people feeding in normals, all 5 of them have agreed to it, and you complain that you get free IP and an easy 10 min win? i feel like these people are just kissing riot's ass and looking for a reason to be mad over nothing.

honestly the only things i ever report people for are afk, hate speech, and flaming. the rest i don't give a shit about. you wanna do offtank ADC nunu and rush hurricane? fuckin go for it! it's normals! i don't care!

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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even if we're not intent feeding, i don't know why the fuck we would care if the enemy team was. i swear to god, nerds take this game so fucking seriously and it's pathetic. bunch of people feeding in normals, all 5 of them have agreed to it, and you complain that you get free IP and an easy 10 min win? i feel like these people are just kissing riot's ass and looking for a reason to be mad over nothing.

honestly the only things i ever report people for are afk, hate speech, and flaming. the rest i don't give a shit about. you wanna do offtank ADC nunu and rush hurricane? fuckin go for it! it's normals! i don't care!

Yes, I complain about it because I don't care about those things. I haven't needed IP in years now, even when I didn't I wouldn't have cared about free IP. And a free win is meaningless. All 5 agreeing is only half of the people in the game. I am sure some people are fine with a free win, I am not one of them. A "free win" is just a game that might as well not have happened. This is a PVP game, you cannot play it without the other team.

If someone was playing ADC nunu rushing hurricane but still trying to win then Id be annoyed but ultimately fine with it.

PhosBringer4 votes

Actually one of the reasons that I'm here is because no one from the enemy team had an qualms with us feeding, or else I'd have been swiftly banned 5-15minutes after the game being over and my being reported.

shyv4 votes

yeah i don't know why you got punished so late. the instant feedback system should have punished you within like 15 minutes im pretty sure

PhosBringer2 votes

Exactly, which means that I was reported for something else, and as the Rioter went to review my chat logs she saw statements of me declaring that mid is open, and that we're feeding kills. And so she assumes that this was intentional feeding and trolling my team and to her this seems like a clear cut case and a permanent ban ensues.

shyv4 votes

i really honestly feel sorry for you, riot support is pretty useless and i see posts like this all the time where they punish someone really harshly, or punish them for reasons out of their control, and refuse to admit they've made a mistake because their punishment system is "99% flaw proof" as if that means flawless and 1% of players aren't getting totally fucked over

like.................this shit is stupid

PhosBringer2 votes

Wow that was interesting, sad to see his ban wasn't lifted. It's weird however, I see people who post appeals to have their bans removed from permanency because they've played for a while and they made some mistakes and the bans are lifted.

Perhaps seniority plays a part here?

But I think that Riot Lyte from what I've seen tends to be completely fair about the way he decided to lift your ban or not. He tends to be very unbiased and reviews why you may have been punished and does not hesitate to smite you if try and claim otherwise and are lying.

shyv2 votes

to be fair i have seen riot reverse a FEW bans that were unecessary. but why ban them in the first place? like just admit your system is horribly flawed. and i'm not talking about people who were toxic and don't think they deserve it, i mean people who really, honestly followed all of riot's rules and STILL got banned. why do i see so many of these kinds of posts where riot has fucked someone over? people put so much time, money, and effort into their accounts, and riot can ban you literally just because they feel like it

i can understand why you were banned i GUESS but.. it still seems really uneccessary. there are people who actually intentionally feed to piss off their teams and get away with it, but you had a full premade, totally willing to go along with the plan, and you get banned.

PhosBringer2 votes

I can only hope that Lyte shows up to the party here to smite me away or invite me back.

Zombiemaster3 votes

If the enemy team enjoys it and doesn't mind, that's fine. You won't get punished if they don't mind or report you. But believe it or not, there are plenty of people who don't enjoy the entire enemy team intentionally feeding them and giving them an easy 7 minute win.

Of course, there is a difference between a 5 man pre-made flat out intentionally feeding and them playing off meta stuff and just performing poorly with it.

Also, you don't need to be a tryhard and take normals super seriously to expect the enemy team to at least give you a decent game and not intentionally throw it.

MKG OperaVanJava1 votes

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There are 10 people in a game, not 5. I don't know about you, but I don't play this game to watch my IP counter go up. All this is doing is wasting 20+ minutes of my time. I'll open up the stopwatch on my phone if I want to watch a counter go up.

This game always was and always will be about fun. But it's about fun for everyone, not just yourself. They are not banning people for having too much fun, they are banning people for interfering with other people's fun.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Ward Baron4 votes

I love this, kids now have to explain what having fun is, what was a joke and why it's funny. PLEASE MAKE IT MORE CLEAR TO PLAYERS WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO SAY AND DO Black and White Banning for "yolo whatever" since pie charts.

therealdragon4 votes

See this is the type of case where if it was in the tribunal, half of the community or more would vote NOT to ban you. Get that tribunal back pls.

Like you knew what you were doing, your entire team was ok with it, and as far as you had researched, everything you had done was not bannable quoting even the great lyte himself. Kudos to you and hope you get your account back. Riot HAS made mistakes before (albeit rare but its been done). So hopefully, this is another one of them. Will be checking in to see how this case turns out.

Also, kudos for standing out and making sure you got the point across you're not the typical toxic dude.

PhosBringer3 votes

Thank you, I really appreciate this I need all the support I can get. One thing that was interesting about tribunal was the fact that chat logs were not just one player like they are now, but rather everyone and it gave a lot clearer of a picture as to what was going down truly.

Koonta Kintae4 votes

Hold up. " if SOMEONE on your team or the enemy team HASN'T AGREED to what you're doing... it's a problem". When I queue ranked I often disagree with the actions of some of my teammates. By the above logic they're reportable and should be banned for doing stuff I disagree with? Throwing random people together as Rito's matchmaker does and expecting them to ALL agree with the actions of the others is downright ludicrous.

And to the OP I was perma'd for less without even an email or warning or anything. Rito bans who they please don't expect to win this argument.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

Play the game. Don't try to cheat it and lawyer up when the ref throws you out of the game.

PhosBringer3 votes

But this is confirmed to be allowed, by Lyte himself, here check these links https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132106741186 https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132102833858

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

{quoted}

But this is confirmed to be allowed, by Lyte himself, here check these links https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132106741186 https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132102833858

Twisting Lyte's words for your own gain isn't a real argument.

It's like in court how the WRITER of a document is the person who gets to say what it means, NOT the person who signed it or read it. You didn't write his words and you use them as a shield when they aren't. They are meant to explain that if ANYONE in the game is unhappy with how you're playing and that your playing of the game in that manner is considered intentional feeding then you're liable for any action taken against your account.

Simply put, you did the crime and are responsible for what happens next. You can't lawyer out of it.

PhosBringer3 votes

I'm not lawyering out of anything. If you go back and reread my argument carefully, instead of with scorn filled eyes already set to write me off as another toxic person who needs to be banned you won't see any validity to what I am saying. No where did I EVER twist Lyte's words, not a single time. For you to accuse me of that simply means you didn't take the necessary time to read what I have wrote thoroughly and with an unbiased opinion. As cliche as this sounds and as many times as you hear the criminal say it; I stand firm when I say I committed no crime.

ReadyxPlayerxOne1 votes

{quoted}

I'm not lawyering out of anything. If you go back and reread my argument carefully, instead of with scorn filled eyes already set to write me off as another toxic person who needs to be banned you won't see any validity to what I am saying. No where did I EVER twist Lyte's words, not a single time. For you to accuse me of that simply means you didn't take the necessary time to read what I have wrote thoroughly and with an unbiased opinion. As cliche as this sounds and as many times as you hear the criminal say it; I stand firm when I say I committed no crime.

I am not misunderstanding you, I'm not resentful, I don't care that you did what you did... or didn't do it. But simply put, you're pretending to understand something that SOMEONE ELSE wrote and assuming you know more than them is not only egotistical but ignorant. Lyte's obviously seen this or someone who works for him has and he hasn't responded. Not because you're right. But because as a company, they shouldn't have to explain every policy decision. You were against there terms as they saw it. It won't be reversed. You can't lawyer out of it. You DID, IN FACT, do something that most of the community disagrees with and thinks isn't acceptable. Whether it was "allowed" in some round about way that misinterprets what someone said isn't up for debate, you may think it is and can continue posting absurdity here or you can move on.

You did something that 90% of the player base would agree isn't wanted. Whether that's a "crime" or not. It's bannable and for good reason.

Don't waste your time responding, I'm done. Figure it out or don't.

PhosBringer3 votes

Just going to leave this https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132106741186 And this will be my last response, if you're too ignorant to comprehend what I'm saying then so be it.

ReadyxPlayerxOne2 votes

{quoted}

Just going to leave this https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132106741186 And this will be my last response, if you're too ignorant to comprehend what I'm saying then so be it.

You link to this: "We're looking into the experiences, and if SOMEONE on your team or the enemy team is against these behaviors and hasn't agreed to it, that's the problem experience."

That isn't him allowing anything. That is him saying if SOMEONE on your team or the enemy team HASN'T AGREED to what you're doing... it's a problem. And they're "looking into the experiences". Which means they're looking into them and WILL decide what actions to take. Seems that in your case... they decided to ban you. Simply put, they don't want your kind of IP Farming in the game. Yes, grinding IP is part of the game. Could giving an easier grind and easier win be acceptable if ALL 10 players in the game agreed to it... maybe... they gave you that ONE exception. But don't act like you were given the green light when you weren't. Personally, I think you tried to rig the game by doing something most people don't like or agree to in order to cheat a system into giving you IP faster than it should. Sorry, but grinding takes time. The purpose of the bonus was to give people a good reason to use the team builder system. The bonus wasn't there so you could get a group, sit in a game for 7 minutes and go to the next just because you figured out that mathematically, you'd get more IP this way. It's cheating the system. Pure and simple.

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