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Misconstrued Instant Feedback & Where I Went Wrong?

NoLove4TheseHoes··2 votes·431 views

So sometime a little over a year ago I quit league because I was finding it too be way too taxing. I would enjoy it in small bursts but over extended periods of time it would start to stress me out bad. I started getting chat restrictions and short bans, so finally I decided I needed a break. Recently, I rejoined. I'll be the first to admit, I'm still not your perfect player. If the team is arguing, I tend to argue, but I don't necessarily consider myself overly toxic, at least not to the point of warranting a permaban, which is what I received today.

When I logged back in, I got a chat log of the game that cost me my 4 year old account.

Game 1 NoLove4TheseHoes: no no my good man NoLove4TheseHoes: fuck you. NoLove4TheseHoes: idk ekkos the %%%got not me NoLove4TheseHoes: lol NoLove4TheseHoes: rofl NoLove4TheseHoes: LMFAO NoLove4TheseHoes: ff NoLove4TheseHoes: yall got owned. NoLove4TheseHoes: for what? NoLove4TheseHoes: lmfao karma you just called ihm a retard.. NoLove4TheseHoes: why would he ult that NoLove4TheseHoes: how are we losing to this. NoLove4TheseHoes: draven late game is shit tho NoLove4TheseHoes: and we have a kog NoLove4TheseHoes: ggg NoLove4TheseHoes: lol kog

Now, here's where I'm struggling to understand this. On line 3, I made a reference to the fact our Ekko had spent the entire pregame lobby and early game making jokes about being homosexual, and so when the enemy Draven made a comment my way, I redirected it. If both teams can be mature about some risque level humor, taking like adults (as childish as gay jokes are), I see no reason why it should be ban worthy. Players set the standard for the behavior of the match, and as long as everyone is playing along, so be it.

The second and final line in which I can see anything even remotely "toxic" is line 10. The dialogue behind this is the allied Karma said she was going to report Ekko for not playing well. Then she called him a retard. I thought this was funny considering she was the one being toxic, which brings me to line 10.

I get that I'm not the nicest player. But I'd just like to see what anyone might think about this.

19 Comments

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}> NoLove4TheseHoes: idk ekkos the %%%got not me

This is the line that got you in trouble.

If both teams can be mature about some risque level humor, taking like adults (as childish as gay jokes are), I see no reason why it should be ban worthy. Players set the standard for the behavior of the match, and as long as everyone is playing along, so be it.

While I tend to agree, there are a few sticking points here.

First and foremost, there's a difference between risque humor and derogatory language. Sure, it may fly with your group of friends, and, in that case, I'm not going to tell you you're not allowed to use certain words. But in a place like League it's not really acceptable if even a single person has to see it unwillingly: sure, they CAN mute you, but the onus should not be on the victim of abusive/offensive behavior to either tolerate it or mute the offender. The important point here is that if a single person in that game finds that language to be toxic, they are justified in reporting you.

...which is the case here, it seems, since SOMEONE clearly found your behavior reprehensible enough to report you. I know that seems unfair, but Riot does have a fairly zero-tolerance approach to that sort of language, so it's risky even if you're SURE everyone is okay with it, as even a report as a joke can come back to bite you. This is ESPECIALLY true coming off of a previous ban. A hatespeech/derogatory language report recently after a ban is basically a 100% way to escalate your punishment back up.

Does the behavior warrant a permanent ban in and of itself? Probably not -- I'd have given you a strict warning for that sort of language, since I've seen worse, but still want to push the idea that that language isn't allowed in League.

The issue here (and the one that many people don't fully understand) is that you CAN eventually receive a ban for behavior that would "normally" just merit a chat restriction. If your previous punishment was the warning ban before a permanent ban, the question should be "does this behavior warrant ANY level of punishment," as Riot has effectively given you your last warning. In this case this game DOES seem like it would merit a punishment. It's just unfortunate for you that, based on your prior behavior, that punishment pushed you over the line into the permanent ban.

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

This is sort of the other end of how I figure this is gonna go. I mean in the moment everyone's joking. Everyone knows how it is in the early game when the teams are still getting along lmao, so in the moment I thought nothing of it. Either way, however they handle the support ticket is what it is.

In hindsight I'm a little upset because I don't believe I reported the toxic people during the match (I'll be the first to admit I rarely use the report option, even when I probably should), so the actual toxics may go unpunished -_-

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}Either way, however they handle the support ticket is what it is.

Yep. Best of luck, but Riot has a pretty hard line on that sort of thing.

In hindsight I'm a little upset because I don't believe I reported the toxic people during the match (I'll be the first to admit I rarely use the report option, even when I probably should), so the actual toxics may go unpunished -_-

Which would indeed be unfortunate. Although I'd recommend cutting that sort of language from your in-game vocabulary if you keep playing in the future -- it puts you among the toxic players category in Riot's mind (and in the mind of a lot of players, which is why it will get you in trouble with Riot).

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

Definitely heard that last part. It has to be an automatic system cause the ban immediately followed the match, so I'm guessing it caught the word and associatied me with toxic behavior. If I do play again, keeping that in mind for sure.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}It has to be an automatic system cause the ban immediately followed the match, so I'm guessing it caught the word and associated me with toxic behavior.

It's a bit of both depending on when/how you were banned. It CAN flag things for manual reviews, but in this case it probably saw you coming off a previous short ban, getting reported for severe language, and then found the word in question and went "well, no need to show this to a human -- this is pretty cut and dry." Especially given that use of that word in ANY context is considered to actively be toxic behavior.

Anyway, take care, man. Language usage aside, you seem like a pretty chill and reasonable person, and we need more of those on these boards. :)

Kei1432 votes

{quoted}

So sometime a little over a year ago I quit league because I was finding it too be way too taxing. I would enjoy it in small bursts but over extended periods of time it would start to stress me out bad. I started getting chat restrictions and short bans, so finally I decided I needed a break.

there are 4 tiers of punishment

  1. 10 game chat restrict
  2. 25 game chat restrict
  3. 14-day ban
  4. permaban

anything that can get you a punishment will eventually get you permabanned.

The punishment tiers decay with games played and not time left alone.

Since you were on 14-day ban, your next punishment would be a perma. That was clearly stated in your 14-day reform card / email.

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

I'm sure it was, not questioning that. I'm just questioning the severity of the crime vs punishment and the automatic system.

The games played vs time thing is concerning though. So toxicity is measured by how much you play and not how long you go without being toxic? That seems a little backwards to me.. /:

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}The games played vs time thing is concerning though. So toxicity is measured by how much you play and not how long you go without being toxic? That seems a little backwards to me.. /:

It's a measurement of how toxic you are over your number of games played.

If someone is banned, takes a break for a year, and comes back, the system has no information of their behavior during that time. All it has is how they behaved in the past. If you then go on a streak of well-behaved games it'll adjust accordingly, but otherwise it simply tracks your behavior. And, if that player IS still toxic, it's unfair to everyone they may be playing with to simply assume they've fixed their behavior and start them off with a fresh slate.

So it's not really measured by how much you play so much as it wants to see your behavior improve, and the only way it can do that is by gathering more and more in-game data on your behavior.

Kei1432 votes

they don't want people to get 14-day banned, start a new account and let it decay after a year and go all toxic again, thinking they have a punishment free account.

and lesser of the question of "severity of the crime", but more of "was this chat punishable". As you'll move up the ladder every time you are punished.

Even a mild form of harassment (like asking for reports as a form of harassment) will get you punished over a large amount of games.

now since we don't have proper context of champ select / in game chats, we can't determine if it was friendly banter. You are welcome to submit a ticket to https://support.riotgames.com and ask for them to review whether this chat is punishment worthy.

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

While looking up other instances of permabans, I'm seeing people with multiple games listed as examples of negative behavior. Why am I only getting one? Is one logged instance of negative behavior all it takes..?

SecondAirbane1 votes

not that i know of only for inting

it shouldnt be 1 game of weak toxicity do you by any chance have any more of the game you havent shown?

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

The reform card shows Game 1 and that's it. I know I have plenty in the past, but I feel like a year long break justifies a second chance.

SecondAirbane1 votes

some1 might've reported you for the 3rd line then

just tell riot you think they made a mistake and they'll undo the restriction

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

I submitted a support ticket so we'll see! The team was upset cause I played pretty bad so some reports might have been spiteful lol. Either way I guess it's up to riot support now!

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

You seem to be a good person at heart but get stressed out easily, you're smart by taking a break, if you aren't banned just focus on having fun! gl&hf! :D

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

Yeah, according to the client it's a permanent suspension. I mean maybe I'll actually be able to focus on school now, but I really do enjoy this game. -_-

HalcyonDweller1 votes

If you have a problem with your ban you should submit a support ticket and persist politely until you get a manual review.

Posting on the boards is not the place. Even in PB&M. You seem nice enough, but we have no way of knowing if this is all of your chat logs for the ban or if you are showing just the best of it in order to mislead us. No offense, but it's possible.

Your post was well worded, friendly and approachable. Just use similar rhetoric in your support ticket and you should be able to get the help you need.

NoLove4TheseHoes1 votes

Yeah I'm getting the idea from the other comments that this post isn't going to change much. I have pictures of my client with the reform card, but even then I guess that's not solid. But yeah support ticket is submitted so we'll see.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Best of luck to ya.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

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